History OurDragonsAreDifferent / Mythology

16th Nov '16 2:06:15 PM Theriocephalus
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* While calling them "dragons" is more of a result of a convention rather than them being the same creatures, Hungarian dragons are very different from both their eastern and western counterparts. They are described as giants with multiple heads. The number of their heads relates to the amount of power they possess as well as several motifs relating to them (the number of towers on their castle, the number of miles distance they can throw their weapons, the number of days it takes for an opponent with equal power to defeat them). They traditionally come in groups of three brothers with three, seven and respectively 12 heads, with the 12 headed brother being the oldest and most powerfull, and can not be defeated by conventional means. If there's only one dragon around, it usually has three or seven heads, and takes the role of the 12 headed dragon as the major antagonist. The naming is most likely result of their Hungarian name (sárkány) denoting two completely different creatures, one being the above described antagonist, while the other being a storm-demon that usually hides in clouds and often takes the form of a giant flying snake, which most likely resulted in the word being applied to western and eastern dragons as well.
* There is also {{Orochi}}, an eastern dragon with eight heads and a body that spanned the length of a mountain range.

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* While calling them "dragons" is more of a result of a naming convention rather than them being the same creatures, Hungarian dragons are very different from both their eastern and western counterparts. They are described as giants with multiple heads. The number of their heads relates to the amount of power they possess as well as several motifs relating to them (the number of towers on their castle, the number of miles distance they can throw their weapons, the number of days it takes for an opponent with equal power to defeat them). They traditionally come in groups of three brothers with three, seven and respectively 12 heads, twelve heads respectively, with the 12 headed twelve-headed brother being the oldest and most powerfull, powerful, and can not be defeated undefeatable by conventional means. If there's only one dragon around, it usually has three or seven heads, and takes the role of the 12 headed twelve-headed dragon as the major antagonist. The naming is most likely result of their Hungarian name (sárkány) denoting two completely different creatures, one being the above described antagonist, giant-like being, while the other being is a storm-demon that usually hides in clouds and often takes the form of a giant flying snake, which most likely resulted in the word being applied to western and eastern dragons as well.
* There is also {{Orochi}}, an eastern dragon with eight heads and a body that spanned the length of a mountain range. It was defeated and slain by the storm god Susano-o after he drugged it into a stupor with milk mixed with sake. The legendary sword ''Ame-no-Murakumo-no-Tsurugi'', later renamed the ''[[PublicDomainArtifact Kusanagi]]'', was found embedded in the beast's body.
26th Oct '16 4:24:53 PM nombretomado
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** There's much confusion over whether Grendel and/or his mother are dragons, ogres, demons, monstrous humans, [[Film/{{Beowulf 2007}} Angelina Jolie]] or something else entirely. The oldest recorded version names them "children of Cain" and mentions that the sword Beowulf uses to kill Grendel's mother was forged by giants who were related to them. So dragons no, ogres/trolls probably. The lost original was before the Christians came. Parallelisms between ''Beowulf'' and the ''[[Literature/GrettirsSaga Grettirs Saga]]'' strongly suggest that Grendel & his Mom are trolls.

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** There's much confusion over whether Grendel and/or his mother are dragons, ogres, demons, monstrous humans, [[Film/{{Beowulf [[WesternAnimation/{{Beowulf 2007}} Angelina Jolie]] or something else entirely. The oldest recorded version names them "children of Cain" and mentions that the sword Beowulf uses to kill Grendel's mother was forged by giants who were related to them. So dragons no, ogres/trolls probably. The lost original was before the Christians came. Parallelisms between ''Beowulf'' and the ''[[Literature/GrettirsSaga Grettirs Saga]]'' strongly suggest that Grendel & his Mom are trolls.
21st Oct '16 2:01:46 PM Theriocephalus
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* The Mordiford Wyvern was killed by a convict named Carston in exchange for his freedom. Carston hid inside a barrel coated with spikes, and when the dragon tried to eat him, ended up impaling itself on all the spinities. However, its blood trickled in and poisoned Carston to death.

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* The Mordiford Wyvern was killed by a convict named Carston in exchange for his freedom. Carston hid inside a barrel coated with spikes, and when the dragon tried to eat him, it ended up impaling itself on all the spinities.itself. However, its blood trickled in and poisoned Carston to death.
5th Sep '16 10:54:21 AM erforce
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** There's much confusion over whether Grendel and/or his mother are dragons, ogres, demons, monstrous humans, [[Film/{{Beowulf}} Angelina Jolie]] or something else entirely. The oldest recorded version names them "children of Cain" and mentions that the sword Beowulf uses to kill Grendel's mother was forged by giants who were related to them. So dragons no, ogres/trolls probably. The lost original was before the Christians came. Parallelisms between ''Beowulf'' and the ''[[Literature/GrettirsSaga Grettirs Saga]]'' strongly suggest that Grendel & his Mom are trolls.

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** There's much confusion over whether Grendel and/or his mother are dragons, ogres, demons, monstrous humans, [[Film/{{Beowulf}} [[Film/{{Beowulf 2007}} Angelina Jolie]] or something else entirely. The oldest recorded version names them "children of Cain" and mentions that the sword Beowulf uses to kill Grendel's mother was forged by giants who were related to them. So dragons no, ogres/trolls probably. The lost original was before the Christians came. Parallelisms between ''Beowulf'' and the ''[[Literature/GrettirsSaga Grettirs Saga]]'' strongly suggest that Grendel & his Mom are trolls.
9th Feb '16 2:15:50 AM Makhno
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*** And the firedrake shot down by St Gilbert.
9th Feb '16 2:13:38 AM Makhno
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*** ... Except the Hydra-like water dragons of the Celtic Dragon Myth, reconstructed by J. F. Campbell from Highland folk tales.
17th Jan '16 10:44:11 AM MsChibi
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* One of the FourGods, Seiryuu, guardian of the Eastern sky and associated with water (and sometimes war), is a dragon.

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* One of the FourGods, Seiryuu, guardian of the Eastern sky and associated with water (and sometimes war), sky, is a dragon.
17th Jan '16 10:43:40 AM MsChibi
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* One of the FourGods, Seiryuu, guardian of the Eastern sky and associated with water (and sometimes war), is a dragon.
29th Dec '15 12:36:24 AM 082122712641
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* Níðhöggr from Myth/NorseMythology gnaws on the roots of [[WorldTree Yggdrasil]], waiting to be freed and wreak destruction come [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt Ragnarök]].

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* Níðhöggr from Myth/NorseMythology gnaws chews on the roots of [[WorldTree Yggdrasil]], waiting to be freed Yggdrasill]] and wreak destruction come devour human corpses (not living humans though). It is also [[SerpentOfImmortality one of the few beings that will survive]] [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt Ragnarök]].
29th Dec '15 12:32:07 AM 082122712641
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* In Abrahamic Mythology, the [[OurAngelsAreDifferent Seraphim]] are occasionally described as serpent or dragon-like, when not being six winged {{Humanoid Abomination}}s.
* ''Literature/TheBible'':
** One interpretation of The Serpent in Eden before he was forced to crawl on his belly. What would you call a walking, talking snake that's at least as intelligent as humans?
** The books of Job, Psalms, and Isaiah describe the Leviathan, a creature covered in air-tight sword/spear/arrow-proof scales, wielding [[BreathWeapon fire breath]], and with the ability to [[SuperStrength snap iron like it was straw]]. These same books also refer to the Rahab (or the Rehab, depending on the translation), which is a fugitive dragon from the sea.
** {{Satan}} is described as a red dragon with seven heads, ten horns and seven crowns in the Biblical [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt Book of Revelation]]. His tail knocks a third of the stars out of the sky, and he spews a river from one of his mouths. It's unknown whether this is his true form or not though.
* Then there was that thing that Daniel killed. The legend is he killed a dragon without a weapon, by making it swallow a ball of pitch, tallow, and other flammable substances.



* In Abrahamic Mythology, the [[OurAngelsAreDifferent seraphim]] are occasionally described as serpent or dragon like, when not being six winged humanoids.



* {{Satan}} is described as a red dragon with seven heads, ten horns and seven crowns in the Biblical [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt Book of Revelation]]. His tail knocks a third of the stars out of the sky, and he spews a river from his mouths.
* ''Literature/TheBible'': The books of Job, Psalms, and Isaiah]] describe the Leviathan, a creature covered in air-tight sword/spear/arrow-proof scales, wielding [[BreathWeapon fire breath]], and with the ability to [[SuperStrength snap iron like it was straw]].
** In Job, it's mostly a reference to a crocodile. In Psalm 104, however, the term "Leviathan" refers to the dolphin (though, not so much in other Psalms). These same books also refer to the Rahab (or the Rehab, depending on the translation), which is a fugitive dragon from the sea.
** There has been much discussion on the identity of leviathan. Some would say its a purely mythological beast, and others would say its a surviving prehistoric marine reptile, like a pliosaur, or mosasaur, or perhaps one of the extinct crocodiles. And most credible authorities simply point out it's a heraldic depiction of the Nile Crocodile (which itself was depicted with dragon-like traits like a fire breath).
** These books mention the Leviathan and the Rahab in reference to a mythological sea monster which is said by some to symbolize primeval chaos. The Canaanite creation story describes their storm-god's victory over the Sea and it's allies, such as Lothan (their name for the Leviathan) and the dragons. In the Hebrew creation story, the creatures of the sea are not enemies of God to be fought with and hold victory over, but are God's creations awaiting His victorious command. In Hebrew literature, the sea is equated with the Gentiles, while the land is an idiom for the Israelites, themselves. In Isaiah 30, it is made clear that the Rahab is also a reference to Egypt.\\\
In the Book of Numbers, when the Israelites were in Negeb, they complained to God about their lack of food and water, and how tired they were of the manna. So, the LORD allowed the saraph serpents, which was a Hebrew name for an Egyptian snake, to attack the people [[note]]Yes, the term "saraph" (or seraph) is the same that is used for the highest choir of angels[[/note]]. The term "saraph", meaning "the fiery ones" probably came from the burning sensation that the poison caused. In Isaiah 30, Egypt, in the area of Negeb, is referred to as the land "of the viper and flying saraph"[[note]]also translated as basilisk or fiery serpent[[/note]]. The author then goes on to call Egypt "Rahab quelled"[[note]]or something similar, depending on the translation[[/note]]. So, apparently, there were dragons (of a sort) in Egypt, or at least in the northwestern part of the country. Then again, it might also be a reference to the other religious beliefs of the area, as these serpents were a symbol of fertility in those other religions.
** Then there was that thing that Daniel killed. The legend is he killed a dragon without a weapon, by making it swallow a ball of pitch, tallow, and other flammable substances.
* One interpretation of The Serpent in the Garden of Eden before he was forced to crawl on his belly. What would you call a walking, talking snake that's at least as intelligent as humans?
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