History OlderThanTheyThink / WesternAnimation

19th Nov '16 4:39:42 AM jormis29
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* Who first used HumongousMecha? Was it ''Franchise/{{Transformers}}''? The Japanese ''[[Series/SpiderManJapan Spider-Man]]''? Creator/RobertAHeinlein's ''Literature/StarshipTroopers''? The Martian tripods from the original ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Worlds War Of The Worlds]]'' book from 1898? The [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garuda Tale of Garuda]] from ''ancient Hindu legend'' had a robot with [[ChainsawGood rotary saws for hands]]. This one is officially one of TheOldestOnesInTheBook.

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* Who first used HumongousMecha? Was it ''Franchise/{{Transformers}}''? The Japanese ''[[Series/SpiderManJapan Spider-Man]]''? Creator/RobertAHeinlein's ''Literature/StarshipTroopers''? The Martian tripods from the original ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Worlds War Of The Worlds]]'' ''Literature/TheWarOfTheWorlds'' book from 1898? The [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garuda Tale of Garuda]] from ''ancient Hindu legend'' had a robot with [[ChainsawGood rotary saws for hands]]. This one is officially one of TheOldestOnesInTheBook.
19th Nov '16 4:37:12 AM jormis29
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* [[Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast Disney's animated take]] on "Literature/BeautyAndTheBeast" isn't the first adaptation of the work to feature {{Animate Inanimate Object}}s -- they can be seen in Jean Cocteau's legendary [[Film/BeautyAndTheBeast live-action film from 1946]] and a Russian animated featurette from the same decade, both of which were adapting the detail in the source fairy tale that the castle seems to have no residents aside from the Beast, yet it's always meticulously maintained, food is plentiful, etc. The main difference, and it ''is'' significant, is that Disney's Enchanted Objects are fully-developed characters. The 1946 film is also the first adaptation to have a character who is a romantic rival for the heroine, and who tries to loot the castle and destroy the Beast in the climax, although Gaston is a much more developed and diabolical character than Avenant. Disney doesn't make a big point of acknowledging this film's influence on their version, but they occasionally do; they once considered doing a DirectToVideo sequel to their version that would have had Gaston's brother, who would have been named Avenant as a direct reference, as the villain.

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* [[Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast Disney's animated take]] on "Literature/BeautyAndTheBeast" isn't the first adaptation of the work to feature {{Animate Inanimate Object}}s -- they can be seen in Jean Cocteau's legendary [[Film/BeautyAndTheBeast [[Film/BeautyAndTheBeast1946 live-action film from 1946]] and a Russian animated featurette from the same decade, both of which were adapting the detail in the source fairy tale that the castle seems to have no residents aside from the Beast, yet it's always meticulously maintained, food is plentiful, etc. The main difference, and it ''is'' significant, is that Disney's Enchanted Objects are fully-developed characters. The 1946 film is also the first adaptation to have a character who is a romantic rival for the heroine, and who tries to loot the castle and destroy the Beast in the climax, although Gaston is a much more developed and diabolical character than Avenant. Disney doesn't make a big point of acknowledging this film's influence on their version, but they occasionally do; they once considered doing a DirectToVideo sequel to their version that would have had Gaston's brother, who would have been named Avenant as a direct reference, as the villain.
16th Nov '16 2:02:31 PM Spanks
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* Thought ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooMysteryIncorporated'' was the first ''Scooby-Doo'' cartoon that deconstructed [[ScoobyDooHoax its previous elements and cliches, introduced real and [[KnightOfCerebus heinously evil and dangerous villains]] instead of just dudes in rubber suits to make a new DarkerAndEdgier iteration? The direct-to-video movies of the late-90's-early 2000's did it first. Starting with ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooOnZombieIsland''.

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* Thought ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooMysteryIncorporated'' was the first ''Scooby-Doo'' cartoon that deconstructed [[ScoobyDooHoax its previous elements elements]] and cliches, introduced real and [[KnightOfCerebus heinously heinous, evil and dangerous villains]] instead of just dudes guys in rubber suits costumes to make a new DarkerAndEdgier iteration? The direct-to-video movies of the late-90's-early 2000's did it first. Starting with ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooOnZombieIsland''.
16th Nov '16 2:01:27 PM Spanks
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* Thought ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooMysteryIncorporated'' was the first ''Scooby-Doo'' iteration that deconstructed its previous elements and cliches, introduced real and [[KnightOfCerebus dangerously evil villains]] to make a new DarkerAndEdgier iteration? The direct-to-video movies of the late-90's-early 2000's beat it to the punch. Starting with ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooOnZombieIsland''.

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* Thought ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooMysteryIncorporated'' was the first ''Scooby-Doo'' iteration cartoon that deconstructed [[ScoobyDooHoax its previous elements and cliches, introduced real and [[KnightOfCerebus dangerously heinously evil and dangerous villains]] instead of just dudes in rubber suits to make a new DarkerAndEdgier iteration? The direct-to-video movies of the late-90's-early 2000's beat did it to the punch.first. Starting with ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooOnZombieIsland''.
14th Nov '16 4:38:10 PM Spanks
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* Thought ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooMysteryIncorporated'' was the first ''Scooby-Doo'' iteration that deconstructed its previous elements and cliches, introduced real and [[KnightOfCerebus dangerously evil villains]] to make a new DarkerAndEdgier iteration? The direct-to-video movies of the late-90's-early 2000's beat it to the punch. Starting with ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooOnZombieIsland''.
19th Oct '16 3:17:10 PM Trueman001
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles'' has a multiple dose of Older Than They Think on this very wiki; on the [[Headscratchers/TheIncredibles Headscratchers]] page, one troper claimed that Pixar got the idea of zero-point energy from ''VideoGame/HalfLife2''. Another then pointed out that ''The Incredibles'' came out first (albeit by only a few days), a third claimed that ''he'' had first come across the idea in a story in 1980, and a fourth pointed out that the idea was far older even than the latter story, having been devised by Albert Einstein and Otto Stern.
12th Oct '16 11:34:29 AM Omeganian
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* Adult animation? Most people think ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'', ''WesternAnimation/BeavisAndButthead'' and ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' were the first to specifically aim more at an adult audience. In fact, Creator/RalphBakshi created the first adult cartoon features in the 1970s, pioneering topics such as sex, drugs, bloody violence and politics. And even before Bakshi you had ''WesternAnimation/AnimalFarm'' (1955), a British animated feature based on Creator/GeorgeOrwell's ''Literature/AnimalFarm'', satirizing Communism as an animal fable. Not too mention ''WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes'', ''WesternAnimation/BettyBoop'' and the cartoons of Creator/TexAvery in the 1930s and 1940s making adult comedy jokes, with sometimes sexual innuendo. You might think that Bakskhi at least can attribute the first animated pornographic film to his name, ''WesternAnimation/FritzTheCat''? Not quite, in 1928 (!) a silent black-and-white short cartoon was made called "Everready Hardon in Buried Treasures" featuring a man with a giant RagingStiffie walking around looking for a woman. This short has remained anonymous however, fell into the public domain and was only rediscovered in the 1970s.

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* Adult animation? Most people think ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'', ''WesternAnimation/BeavisAndButthead'' and ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' were the first to specifically aim more at an adult audience. In fact, Creator/RalphBakshi created the first adult cartoon features in the 1970s, pioneering topics such as sex, drugs, bloody violence and politics. And even before Bakshi you had ''WesternAnimation/AnimalFarm'' (1955), a British animated feature based on Creator/GeorgeOrwell's ''Literature/AnimalFarm'', satirizing Communism as an animal fable. Not too mention ''WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes'', ''WesternAnimation/BettyBoop'' and the cartoons of Creator/TexAvery in the 1930s and 1940s making adult comedy jokes, with sometimes sexual innuendo. You might think that Bakskhi at least can attribute the first animated pornographic film to his name, ''WesternAnimation/FritzTheCat''? Not quite, in 1928 (!) a silent black-and-white short cartoon was made called "Everready Hardon "Eveready Harton in Buried Treasures" featuring a man with a giant RagingStiffie walking around looking for a woman. This short has remained anonymous however, fell into the public domain and was only rediscovered in the 1970s.
11th Oct '16 4:50:32 PM nombretomado
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** Pete's son, PJ, is generally thought to have been created in 1992 for ''WesternAnimation/GoofTroop''. He was actually created half a century prior, debuting in a WesternAnimation/DonaldDuck [[ClassicDisneyShorts cartoon]] called "Bellboy Donald" (though he went by Junior and he looked like WesternAnimation/MickeyMouse with cat ears), and the character is only 17 years newer than his father. However, his personality was [[CharacterizationMarchesOn the exact opposite in every way from what was to come]], so he simultaneously looked ''less'' like his father and acted (and sounded) ''more'' like him.

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** Pete's son, PJ, is generally thought to have been created in 1992 for ''WesternAnimation/GoofTroop''. He was actually created half a century prior, debuting in a WesternAnimation/DonaldDuck [[ClassicDisneyShorts [[WesternAnimation/ClassicDisneyShorts cartoon]] called "Bellboy Donald" (though he went by Junior and he looked like WesternAnimation/MickeyMouse with cat ears), and the character is only 17 years newer than his father. However, his personality was [[CharacterizationMarchesOn the exact opposite in every way from what was to come]], so he simultaneously looked ''less'' like his father and acted (and sounded) ''more'' like him.
16th Sep '16 1:38:59 PM TropesForever
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** Creator/WinsorMcCay did a primitive version in ''1914'' in ''WesternAnimation/GertieTheDinosaur''.
9th Sep '16 8:11:48 AM Sapphirea2
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** Jiminy Cricket is the sidekick in Disney's next animated feature, ''Disney/{{Pinocchio}}'', but his name isn't original -- it's a pun playing off of a then-common expression that turns up in this one! When they first realize a stranger is in their cottage, the dwarfs whisper "Jiminy crickets!" in unison.
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