History OlderThanTheyThink / WesternAnimation

19th Mar '17 11:55:39 AM nombretomado
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* Spoofed in the "Springfield Shopper" booklet that comes with the ''Simpsons Movie'' DVD; in it, Homer (as a movie critic who's ''way'' behind with his column) describes ''Star Wars'' (by which he means ''ANewHope'') as being "a parody of ''Film/{{Spaceballs}}''".

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* Spoofed in the "Springfield Shopper" booklet that comes with the ''Simpsons Movie'' DVD; in it, Homer (as a movie critic who's ''way'' behind with his column) describes ''Star Wars'' (by which he means ''ANewHope'') ''Film/ANewHope'') as being "a parody of ''Film/{{Spaceballs}}''".
19th Feb '17 5:07:21 AM Mario500
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* Adult animation? Most people think ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'', ''WesternAnimation/BeavisAndButthead'' and ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' were the first to specifically aim more at an adult audience. In fact, Creator/RalphBakshi created the first adult cartoon features in the 1970s, pioneering topics such as sex, drugs, bloody violence and politics. And even before Bakshi you had ''WesternAnimation/AnimalFarm'' (1955), a British animated feature based on Creator/GeorgeOrwell's ''Literature/AnimalFarm'', satirizing Communism as an animal fable. Not too mention ''WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes'', ''WesternAnimation/BettyBoop'' and the cartoons of Creator/TexAvery in the 1930s and 1940s making adult jokes and sexual innuendo. You might think that Bakskhi at least can attribute the first animated pornographic film to his name, ''WesternAnimation/FritzTheCat''? Not quite, in 1928 (!) a silent black-and-white short cartoon was made called "Eveready Harton in Buried Treasures" featuring a man with a giant RagingStiffie walking around looking for a woman. This short has remained anonymous however, fell into the public domain and was only rediscovered in the 1970s.

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* Adult animation? Most people think ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'', ''WesternAnimation/BeavisAndButthead'' and ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' were the first to specifically aim more at an adult audience. In fact, Creator/RalphBakshi created the first adult cartoon features in the 1970s, pioneering topics such as sex, drugs, bloody violence and politics. And even before Bakshi you had ''WesternAnimation/AnimalFarm'' (1955), a British animated feature based on Creator/GeorgeOrwell's ''Literature/AnimalFarm'', satirizing Communism as an animal fable. Not too to mention ''WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes'', ''WesternAnimation/BettyBoop'' and the cartoons of Creator/TexAvery in the 1930s and 1940s making adult jokes and sexual innuendo. You might think that Bakskhi at least can attribute the first animated pornographic film to his name, ''WesternAnimation/FritzTheCat''? Not quite, in 1928 (!) a silent black-and-white short cartoon was made called "Eveready Harton in Buried Treasures" featuring a man with a giant RagingStiffie walking around looking for a woman. This short has remained anonymous however, fell into the public domain and was only rediscovered in the 1970s.
18th Feb '17 7:02:54 AM Mario500
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* An animated action series with a FieryRedhead ActionGirl whose blond male sidekick and a VoiceWithAnInternetConnection help her pursue a hot former crimefighter with long black hair who turned to crime ForTheEvulz because she was bored being a good guy. What? What is this "WesternAnimation/KimPossible" you speak of? It's ''WesternAnimation/WhereOnEarthIsCarmenSandiego''.
** You know, Kim Possible? The [[BuffySpeak slang-happy]], petite, fashion-forward cheerleader who [[ActionGirl fights bad guys]] and occasionally saves the world while trying to maintain a normal social life, with the help of her two classmates, a [[CoolLoser nerdy]] computer hacker and an [[ButtMonkey ineffectual goofus]] with HiddenDepths who's secretly in love with her? They occasionally butt heads with the [[AlphaBitch bitchy rich girl]], or Kim's [[DarkActionGirl snarky brunette]] [[ShadowArchetype nemesis]] who defected from the good guys to [[TheDragon hench]] for a perky villain-. No, wait, I was thinking of Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer.

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* An animated action series with a FieryRedhead ActionGirl whose blond male sidekick and a VoiceWithAnInternetConnection help her pursue a hot former crimefighter with long black hair who turned to crime ForTheEvulz because she was bored being a good guy. What? What is this "WesternAnimation/KimPossible" you speak of? It's ''WesternAnimation/WhereOnEarthIsCarmenSandiego''.
** You know, Kim Possible? The [[BuffySpeak slang-happy]], petite, fashion-forward cheerleader who [[ActionGirl fights bad guys]] and occasionally saves the world while trying to maintain a normal social life, with the help of her two classmates, a [[CoolLoser nerdy]] computer hacker and an [[ButtMonkey ineffectual goofus]] partner]] with HiddenDepths who's secretly in love with her? They occasionally butt heads with the [[AlphaBitch bitchy mean rich girl]], or Kim's [[DarkActionGirl snarky brunette]] [[ShadowArchetype nemesis]] who defected from the good guys to [[TheDragon hench]] for a perky villain-. No, wait, I was thinking of Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer.
18th Feb '17 6:35:08 AM Mario500
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* Adult animation? Most people think ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'', ''WesternAnimation/BeavisAndButthead'' and ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' were the first to specifically aim more at an adult audience. In fact, Creator/RalphBakshi created the first adult cartoon features in the 1970s, pioneering topics such as sex, drugs, bloody violence and politics. And even before Bakshi you had ''WesternAnimation/AnimalFarm'' (1955), a British animated feature based on Creator/GeorgeOrwell's ''Literature/AnimalFarm'', satirizing Communism as an animal fable. Not too mention ''WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes'', ''WesternAnimation/BettyBoop'' and the cartoons of Creator/TexAvery in the 1930s and 1940s making adult comedy jokes, with sometimes sexual innuendo. You might think that Bakskhi at least can attribute the first animated pornographic film to his name, ''WesternAnimation/FritzTheCat''? Not quite, in 1928 (!) a silent black-and-white short cartoon was made called "Eveready Harton in Buried Treasures" featuring a man with a giant RagingStiffie walking around looking for a woman. This short has remained anonymous however, fell into the public domain and was only rediscovered in the 1970s.

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* Adult animation? Most people think ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'', ''WesternAnimation/BeavisAndButthead'' and ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' were the first to specifically aim more at an adult audience. In fact, Creator/RalphBakshi created the first adult cartoon features in the 1970s, pioneering topics such as sex, drugs, bloody violence and politics. And even before Bakshi you had ''WesternAnimation/AnimalFarm'' (1955), a British animated feature based on Creator/GeorgeOrwell's ''Literature/AnimalFarm'', satirizing Communism as an animal fable. Not too mention ''WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes'', ''WesternAnimation/BettyBoop'' and the cartoons of Creator/TexAvery in the 1930s and 1940s making adult comedy jokes, with sometimes jokes and sexual innuendo. You might think that Bakskhi at least can attribute the first animated pornographic film to his name, ''WesternAnimation/FritzTheCat''? Not quite, in 1928 (!) a silent black-and-white short cartoon was made called "Eveready Harton in Buried Treasures" featuring a man with a giant RagingStiffie walking around looking for a woman. This short has remained anonymous however, fell into the public domain and was only rediscovered in the 1970s.
12th Feb '17 6:02:31 AM Ccook1956
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** Similarly, "Merrily We Roll Along" did not originate with Merrie Melodies. It was a song from a show of the same name in 1934, sung and co-written by Eddie Cantor. It was first repurposed with different lyrics in the cartoons "Billboard Frolics" (1935) and "Toy Town Hall" (1936) before becoming the Merrie Melodies theme.
2nd Feb '17 11:44:48 AM mlsmithca
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** While Homer Simpson is named after creator Matt Groening's father, he also shares his (first ''and'' last) name with a supporting character in Nathanael West's novella ''Literature/TheDayOfTheLocust'', which was written in 1939. This has amused more than a few English majors, though Groening deliberately got the name from that novel.

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** While Homer Simpson is named after creator Matt Groening's father, he also shares his (first ''and'' last) name with a supporting character in Nathanael West's novella ''Literature/TheDayOfTheLocust'', which was written in 1939. This has amused more than a few English majors, though Groening deliberately got the name from that novel. In the Series 24 episode "Penny-Wiseguys", Homer lampshades the literary origin of his name with the line "I never thought Homer Simpson would be a part of the Day of the Locust!"
26th Jan '17 2:12:44 PM ElSquibbonator
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** Speaking of Creator/CartoonNetwork, it has recently become common to blame network CEO Christina Miller for the poor performance of its more "serious" action-based cartoons, with many viewers even accusing her of subscribing to the AnimationAgeGhetto. But this problem actually dates back several years earlier, with ''WesternAnimation/GreenLanternTheAnimatedSeries'', ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'', and ''WesternAnimation/SymBionicTitan'' all being cancelled before Miller arrived.

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** Speaking of Creator/CartoonNetwork, it has recently become common to blame network CEO Christina Miller for the poor performance of its more "serious" action-based cartoons, with many viewers even accusing her of subscribing to the AnimationAgeGhetto. But this problem actually dates back several years earlier, with ''WesternAnimation/GreenLanternTheAnimatedSeries'', ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'', and ''WesternAnimation/SymBionicTitan'' all being cancelled in a short period of time before Miller arrived.
26th Jan '17 2:11:21 PM ElSquibbonator
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** Speaking of Creator/CartoonNetwork, it has recently become common to blame network CEO Christina Miller for the poor performance of its more "serious" action-based cartoons, with many viewers even accusing her of subscribing to the AnimationAgeGhetto. But this problem actually dates back several years earlier, with ''WesternAnimation/GreenLanternTheAnimatedSeries'', ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'', and ''WesternAnimation/SymBionicTitan'' all being cancelled before Miller arrived.
26th Dec '16 11:12:28 PM Pichu-kun
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* The cars in [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pxap-M_--k&feature=related this short]] bear a certain striking similarity to ''WesternAnimation/{{Cars}}''. Thing is though, the short is actually from ''1952''!



* Ah, ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory''! What a cute and creative idea, the thought that toys actually come alive while their master is away. Older folks remember reading those stories when they were about good old ''Literature/RaggedyAnn''.
** On a related note: Buzz Lightyear not realizing he's a toy? They already did that gimmick with Babette the French Doll in ''WesternAnimation/RaggedyAnnAndAndyAMusicalAdventure'' - made in 1976 and released in 1977.
** ''The Velveteen Rabbit'' was slightly younger -- 1922 to Raggedy Ann's... call it 1918 -- but the doll predates the stories by a couple years. Seems older, what with the scarlet fever, and all.
*** "Literature/TheSteadfastTinSoldier" beats both of those, being first published in 1838.
*** ''Literature/TheNutcrackerAndTheMouseKing'' was written by Creator/ETAHoffmann in 1816 and turned into a ballet by Music/{{Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky}} in 1892.
*** Children's imaginations ''beat all of them.''
*** Read ''When Toys Come Alive'' by Lois Rostow Kuznets. She has the whole history.
26th Dec '16 11:05:40 PM Pichu-kun
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* ''Disney/ThePrincessAndTheFrog'', featuring Disney's first black princess, has already been accused of trying to cash in on the Obama presidency. Anyone who follows Disney will remember this was on the drawing board years before Obama was nationally known, and the first teaser trailer was available before the Democratic primaries.



* There used to be a very vocal faction at the [=IMDb=] forums which reckoned that "all of [=DreamWorks'=] ideas were stolen from Pixar" (yes, '''''all''' of them''). At least two of their favorite examples were shown to be nonsense, as they were in production years before and only bore a superficial resemblance, and in any case one of them (''WesternAnimation/FlushedAway'') was actually an Creator/AardmanAnimations movie -- the [=DreamWorks=] involvement was minimal.



* RogerRabbitEffect: Cartoon characters interacting with humans in live-action is almost as old as animation itself. Creator/MaxAndDaveFleischer already did it in the 1920s with ''WesternAnimation/KokoTheClown''.
** Creator/WinsorMcCay did a primitive version in ''1914'' in ''WesternAnimation/GertieTheDinosaur''.
* ''WesternAnimation/InsideOut'' isn't the first Disney animation to deal with anthropomorphic interpretations of feelings. That would be the 1943 WartimeCartoon ''Reason and Emotion''.

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* RogerRabbitEffect: Cartoon characters interacting with humans in live-action is almost as old as animation itself. Creator/MaxAndDaveFleischer already did it in the 1920s with ''WesternAnimation/KokoTheClown''.
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''WesternAnimation/KokoTheClown''. Creator/WinsorMcCay did a primitive version in ''1914'' in ''WesternAnimation/GertieTheDinosaur''.
* ''WesternAnimation/InsideOut'' isn't the first Disney animation to deal with anthropomorphic interpretations of feelings. That would be the 1943 WartimeCartoon ''Reason and Emotion''.
''WesternAnimation/GertieTheDinosaur''.



* The ScoobyDoobyDoors gag is commonly associated with ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDoo'', hence the trope name. But Creator/TexAvery already did this gag in the 1940s, two decades before Scooby-Doo went on the air.

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* The ScoobyDoobyDoors gag is commonly associated with ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDoo'', hence the trope name. But Creator/TexAvery already did this gag in the 1940s, two decades before Scooby-Doo ''Scooby-Doo'' went on the air.



* Everybody knows ''Disney/{{Aladdin}}'' was the first ever animated cartoon to have a CelebrityVoiceActor. Except Disney has been using celebrities in their films as far back as ''Disney/{{Pinocchio}}'', which had Cliff Edwards as Jiminy Cricket. And many ''many'' actors known for their voice work (like Alan Reed, Billy Bletcher, Sterling Holloway) have had plenty of live-action roles, making the celebrity voice actor term kind of foggy.
** And the trend of having a CelebrityVoiceActor in animated films actually started with ''WesternAnimation/AnAmericanTail'', a Universal Studios production from 1986 that starred Dom De Luise and Madeline Kahn, though ''Disney/{{Aladdin}}'' would be the TropeCodifier.
** Even earlier was Rankin/Bass's ''WesternAnimation/TheLastUnicorn'', featuring Alan Arkin, Jeff Bridges, Mia Farrow, Angela Lansbury, and Christopher Lee.



* [[Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast Disney's animated take]] on "Literature/BeautyAndTheBeast" isn't the first adaptation of the work to feature {{Animate Inanimate Object}}s -- they can be seen in Jean Cocteau's legendary [[Film/BeautyAndTheBeast1946 live-action film from 1946]] and a Russian animated featurette from the same decade, both of which were adapting the detail in the source fairy tale that the castle seems to have no residents aside from the Beast, yet it's always meticulously maintained, food is plentiful, etc. The main difference, and it ''is'' significant, is that Disney's Enchanted Objects are fully-developed characters. The 1946 film is also the first adaptation to have a character who is a romantic rival for the heroine, and who tries to loot the castle and destroy the Beast in the climax, although Gaston is a much more developed and diabolical character than Avenant. Disney doesn't make a big point of acknowledging this film's influence on their version, but they occasionally do; they once considered doing a DirectToVideo sequel to their version that would have had Gaston's brother, who would have been named Avenant as a direct reference, as the villain.
* ''Disney/SnowWhiteAndTheSevenDwarfs''-related examples:
** Walt Disney choosing the fairy tale as the basis for his first feature-length production goes back to his being impressed by a 1916 silent film version that adapted a 1912 Broadway play based on the story collected by the Brothers Grimm! The play is probably the first adaptation of the story in which the Queen's disguise as a peddler woman is the result of a magical transformation rather than WigDressAccent. The silent film adds the detail that Snow White is forced to work by her stepmother as a maid, in hopes of playing down the girl's beauty.
** While often touted as the first full-length animated feature, 1926's ''WesternAnimation/TheAdventuresOfPrinceAchmed'' predates it by eleven years. It's a silent feature that uses cut-out silhouettes against painted, colored backdrops. Disney's film ''is'' the first full-color and cel-animated feature, with a full music-and-dialogue soundtrack.
** Jiminy Cricket is the sidekick in Disney's next animated feature, ''Disney/{{Pinocchio}}'', but his name isn't original -- it's a pun playing off of a then-common expression that turns up in this one! When they first realize a stranger is in their cottage, the dwarfs whisper "Jiminy crickets!" in unison.
* ''WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles'' has a multiple dose of Older Than They Think on this very wiki; on the [[Headscratchers/TheIncredibles Headscratchers]] page, one troper claimed that Pixar got the idea of zero-point energy from ''VideoGame/HalfLife2''. Another then pointed out that ''The Incredibles'' came out first (albeit by only a few days), a third claimed that ''he'' had first come across the idea in a story in 1980, and a fourth pointed out that the idea was far older even than the latter story, having been devised by Albert Einstein and Otto Stern.


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* Many think ''WesternAnimation/QuackPack'' was the first time Disney portrayed their FunnyAnimal characters amongst humans. In reality, many ''WesternAnimation/ClassicDisneyShorts'' did not take place in a WorldOfFunnyAnimals. This could possibly be due to Walt Disney's belief that the characters were really [[StylizedForTheViewer stylized humans]]
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