History OlderThanTheyThink / Other

16th Mar '17 11:47:53 AM justanid
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* Though [[AlienAbduction abduction of humans by aliens]] wasn't commonly reported before the 1960s, people would tell tales of having been abducted by witches on broomsticks (OlderThanPrint) or spirits/ghosts/demons (OlderThanFeudalism). Alien abductions and sightings bear uncanny resemblance to the fairy encounters of the old myths. The phenomenon of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis sleep paralysis]] only goes halfway in explaining the experiences, but clearly something in the human brain has a habit of creating illusions of otherworldly encounters.

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* Though [[AlienAbduction abduction of humans by aliens]] wasn't commonly reported before the 1960s, people would tell tales of having been abducted by witches on broomsticks (OlderThanPrint) or spirits/ghosts/demons spirits[=/=]ghosts[=/=]demons (OlderThanFeudalism). Alien abductions and sightings bear uncanny resemblance to the fairy [[TheFairFolk fairy]] encounters of the old myths. The phenomenon of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis sleep paralysis]] only goes halfway in explaining the experiences, but clearly something in the human brain has a habit of creating illusions of otherworldly encounters.


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** The first recorded "UFO investigation" took place in 1235 Japan, under the orders of (General at the time) Shogun [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kujō_Yoritsune Yoritsune Kujou]]. His consultants came to the conclusion that the strange lights in the sky were "Only the wind making the stars sway."
16th Mar '17 1:01:49 AM justanid
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* Though [[AlienAbduction abduction of humans by aliens]] wasn't commonly reported before the 1960s, people would tell tales of having been abducted by witches on broomsticks (OlderThanPrint) or spirits/ghosts/demons (OlderThanFeudalism). Alien abductions and sightings bear uncanny resemblance to the fairy encounters of the old myths. The phenomenon of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis sleep paralysis]] only goes halfway in explaining the experiences, but clearly something in the human brain has a habit of creating illusions of otherworldly encounters.
** There were some "UFO" sightings [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO#Pre-modern_reports as far back as the 19th century]], with alien "balloons" and "airships" instead of "flying saucers."
** And then there is Agobard of Lyon, who wrote about the peasants' belief in flying ships coming from "Magonia, the land beyond the clouds inhabited by wizards" and how they ruined crops and kidnapped people only to return them to the same place after some time (maybe even years). All this ''right in Carolingian times'' (roughly 800AD to 1000AD).
*** The funniest ([[MedievalMorons and most]] [[RealityIsUnrealistic unexpected]]) part is that Agobard is actually a ''skeptic'', and his account of the capture of four supposed passengers from one of these airships is just a long reflection on how stupid people have to be to believe something like that. His text wouldn't look out of place as a troll thread in a modern UFO board in the internet.
*** Jacques Vallée explores the pre-modern history of UFOS in his book ''Passport to Magonia''.
** CropCircles are often considered a recent occurrence, and in fact many people assume they're all a hoax because two Englishmen admitted to faking a ton of them in the nineties. However, reports of crop circle-like phenomena go back at least to the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mowing-Devil Mowing Devil]] in 1678.
* The UsefulNotes/{{Masamune}} is a classic PublicDomainArtifact, referring not just to a single sword but to the collected works of a famous swordsmith of that name who lived in the 13th and 14th centuries, although legends surrounding them have sprung up since then[[note]]most famously as "holy" blades to contrast with the "demonic" Muramasa; these legends do often refer as if to a single blade rather than a set, at least in english translations[[/note]]. Nevertheless, people on ThisVeryWiki have mistaken it for an original creation associated solely with VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII (which is double whammy of a mistake, since swords called "Masamune" were even appearing in video games as far back as ''FinalFantasyI'').
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* Though [[AlienAbduction abduction of humans by aliens]] wasn't commonly reported before the 1960s, people would tell tales of having been abducted by witches on broomsticks (OlderThanPrint) or spirits/ghosts/demons (OlderThanFeudalism). Alien abductions and sightings bear uncanny resemblance to the fairy encounters of the old myths. The phenomenon of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis sleep paralysis]] only goes halfway in explaining the experiences, but clearly something in the human brain has a habit of creating illusions of otherworldly encounters.
** There were some "UFO" sightings [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO#Pre-modern_reports as far back as the 19th century]], with alien "balloons" and "airships" instead of "flying saucers."
** And then there is Agobard of Lyon, who wrote about the peasants' belief in flying ships coming from "Magonia, the land beyond the clouds inhabited by wizards" and how they ruined crops and kidnapped people only to return them to the same place after some time (maybe even years). All this ''right in Carolingian times'' (roughly 800AD to 1000AD).
*** The funniest ([[MedievalMorons and most]] [[RealityIsUnrealistic unexpected]]) part is that Agobard is actually a ''skeptic'', and his account of the capture of four supposed passengers from one of these airships is just a long reflection on how stupid people have to be to believe something like that. His text wouldn't look out of place as a troll thread in a modern UFO board in the internet.
*** Jacques Vallée explores the pre-modern history of UFOS in his book ''Passport to Magonia''.
** CropCircles are often considered a recent occurrence, and in fact many people assume they're all a hoax because two Englishmen admitted to faking a ton of them in the nineties. However, reports of crop circle-like phenomena go back at least to the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mowing-Devil Mowing Devil]] in 1678.
* Tiamat as a dragon is both OlderThanTheyThink ''and'' NewerThanTheyThink. In the original mythology, she wasn't a dragon, but ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'', contrary to common citation, didn't invent this misconception, although it did popularize it greatly. It actually owes to a misinterpretation of the ''Literature/EnumaElish'' -- which prominently identifies her as the mother of dragons and sea serpents -- combined with conflation with the related Ugaritic deity Lotan, who '''was''' a dragon.
* The UsefulNotes/{{Masamune}} is a classic PublicDomainArtifact, referring not just to a single sword but to the collected works of a famous swordsmith of that name who lived in the 13th and 14th centuries, although legends surrounding them have sprung up since then[[note]]most famously as "holy" blades to contrast with the "demonic" Muramasa; these legends do often refer as if to a single blade rather than a set, at least in english translations[[/note]]. Nevertheless, people on ThisVeryWiki have mistaken it for an original creation associated solely with VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII (which is double whammy of a mistake, since swords called "Masamune" were even appearing in video games as far back as ''FinalFantasyI'').
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* Tiamat as a dragon is both OlderThanTheyThink ''and'' NewerThanTheyThink. In the original mythology, she wasn't a dragon, but ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'', contrary to common citation, didn't invent this misconception, although it did popularize it greatly. It actually owes to a misinterpretation of the ''Literature/EnumaElish'' -- which prominently identifies her as the mother of dragons and sea serpents -- combined with conflation with the related Ugaritic deity Lotan, who '''was''' a dragon.
15th Mar '17 10:44:45 AM marbehraglaim
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* The word ''computer'' existed in the 1600s, where it meant "person who performs computations."
5th Mar '17 10:28:57 AM Morgenthaler
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* [[LikeIsLikeAComma Using the word "like" as a meaningless place-holder while you try to think of a more appropriate expression]] (similar to "you know" or "whatever") is often thought to have originated with teenagers in the [[TheEighties 1980s]]. It is in fact much older. MarilynMonroe uses the expression when talking with Tony Curtis in the beach scene in ''SomeLikeItHot'', which was released in 1959 - and, for that matter, is ''set'' in [[TheRoaringTwenties 1929]]!

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* [[LikeIsLikeAComma Using the word "like" as a meaningless place-holder while you try to think of a more appropriate expression]] (similar to "you know" or "whatever") is often thought to have originated with teenagers in the [[TheEighties 1980s]]. It is in fact much older. MarilynMonroe uses the expression when talking with Tony Curtis in the beach scene in ''SomeLikeItHot'', ''Film/SomeLikeItHot'', which was released in 1959 - and, for that matter, is ''set'' in [[TheRoaringTwenties 1929]]!
14th Feb '17 1:19:36 PM Gosicrystal
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* ''Series/ILoveLucy'' was not the first television program. Neither was Milton Berle's ''[[https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=texaco+star+theater Texaco Star Theater]]'' (1948-56) or Sid Caesar's ''[[https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=your+show+of+shows&page=&utm_source=opensearch Your Show Of Shows]]'' (1950-54). The reason that nobody knows about any of the earlier TV shows is because these shows were not filmed, but simply recorded and broadcast live. No copies of the shows were made, so they could only ever air once. By the time that television became affordable for the average American, the older programs were LostForever. This is also why most people are convinced that television was invented in TheFifties, when it was actually around in some form ever since 1926. [[Creator/TheBBC The first regular, scheduled public TV service started in 1936.]]

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* ''Series/ILoveLucy'' was not the first television program. Neither was Milton Berle's ''[[https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=texaco+star+theater Texaco Star Theater]]'' (1948-56) or Sid Caesar's ''[[https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=your+show+of+shows&page=&utm_source=opensearch Your Show Of Shows]]'' (1950-54). The reason that nobody knows about any of the earlier TV shows is because these shows were not filmed, but simply recorded and broadcast live. No copies of the shows were made, so they could only ever air once. By the time that television became affordable for the average American, the older programs were LostForever.lost. This is also why most people are convinced that television was invented in TheFifties, when it was actually around in some form ever since 1926. [[Creator/TheBBC The first regular, scheduled public TV service started in 1936.]]
22nd Jan '17 11:28:14 AM rmctagg09
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* While people might think true smartphones were first invented in the late 2000s, the first true smartphone was actually the Simon Personal Communicator in ''1992'', which came with features such as a touchscreen and the ability to send and receive e-mails.
6th Jan '17 11:29:50 AM Omeganian
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* Many would say that copper/nickel coins were first minted in the 19th century. True... unless you count the three Bactrian kings who minted them two thousand years earlier (most likely out of Chinese metal... these guys knew how to produce it a thousand and a half years earlier still).
2nd Jan '17 11:28:38 AM Twentington
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* Supercenter stores (discount department store/supermarket combinations). Although UsefulNotes/{{Walmart}} started opening Supercenters in 1990 (after a false start in 1987), the concept actually dates back to Meijer in 1962 (incidentally, the same year that the first Walmart, UsefulNotes/{{Kmart}}, Target and [[FollowTheLeader many competitors thereof]] opened). Kmart also had a variant of the idea, in that many of their early stores were paired with "Kmart Foods" supermarkets, although unlike modern supercenters, the grocery and department store sections were not connected. Also, Red Owl Supermarkets in the Upper Midwest operated "Red Owl Family Centers" for a short time in the 1970s, which were combinations of a supermarket, discount store, and pharmacy.

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* Supercenter stores (discount department store/supermarket combinations). Although UsefulNotes/{{Walmart}} started opening Supercenters in 1990 (after a false start in 1987), the concept actually dates back to Meijer in 1962 (incidentally, the same year that the first Walmart, UsefulNotes/{{Kmart}}, Target and [[FollowTheLeader many competitors thereof]] opened). Kmart also had a variant of the idea, in that many of their early Many discount stores in TheSeventies were paired often built adjacent to supermarkets (most notably with "Kmart Foods" supermarkets, although Kmart and its short-lived Kmart Foods division), but unlike modern supercenters, the discount and grocery and department store sections sides were not typically connected. Also, One exception was Red Owl Supermarkets in the Upper Midwest operated "Red Owl Family Centers" for a short time Centers in the 1970s, upper Midwest, which were combinations of combined a supermarket, grocery store, discount store, and pharmacy.pharmacy under one roof.
2nd Jan '17 11:13:35 AM Twentington
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* Pizza Hut was founded in 1958. In ''Kansas''.

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* Pizza Hut was founded in 1958. In ''Kansas''.


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* The concept of a kids' meal with a toy in it was introduced not by [=McDonald's=] Happy Meals, but rather by Burger Chef's "Funmeal" a few years prior.
28th Dec '16 5:14:13 PM ZombieAladdin
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* Pancakes and marshmallows have been dated to ancient Egypt. Pancakes have remained mostly unchanged over the thousands of years, though marshmallows at the time were made out of the roots of the eponymous marsh mallow plant, which grew along the Nile, and were irregularly shaped.
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