History OldShame / WesternAnimation

6th Apr '16 8:41:34 AM crazyrabbits
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* Yeardley Smith also isn't too keen on ''WesternAnimation/WereBackADinosaursStory'', which she only did to break away from the Lisa Simpson image. Hell, ''We're Back! A Dinosaur's Story'' was an OldShame for ''everyone'' who worked on it.
* Creator/RalphBakshi is ashamed of ''WesternAnimation/HeyGoodLookin'' and ''Film/CoolWorld''. The latter was ruined by ExecutiveMeddling.
* Considering it took Disney 13 years to release ''WesternAnimation/Dougs1stMovie'' onto DVD and then pretty much used the TV edit on the official DVD as opposed to the regular movie, it seems like the studio more or less feels this way towards that movie.
* Donnie Dunagan, the voice of the title character in ''Disney/{{Bambi}}'' as a child, kept the role a secret through his time in the Vietnam War serving as a Marine Corps boot camp commander, afraid the other soldiers wouldn't take him seriously and call him "Major Bambi." Eventually a marine discovered his secret, and he's been more open about the role since, even saying he now loves the attention the role brings him.
* Creator/JeffreyKatzenberg feels shame over ''WesternAnimation/RiseOfTheGuardians'', though more over what it did for his company than for the quality of the film itself.
* Creator/RichardWilliams was so devastated at [[ExecutiveMeddling what happened]] to his flagship film ''WesternAnimation/TheThiefAndTheCobbler'' that he refused to acknowledge the film's existence for a long time.
* Creator/LisaOrtiz has admitted that she finds it "disturbing" that people have actually heard of ''Animation/{{Ratatoing}}'', let alone watch it and review it.
* Martin Vidnovic, who voiced The King in the animated version of ''WesternAnimation/TheKingAndI'', admits it was pretty bad. It was a bigger OldShame for the Rodgers & Hammerstein estates, who were really displeased with the result of Richard Rich's Disneyfication of their work and prompting them to put out a mandate that no other musical from the estate can be adapted for animation.
* Nobody at Pixar is fond of ''WesternAnimation/{{Cars 2}}'', except for Creator/JohnLasseter.
* Creator/ChrisWedge and Creator/WilliamJoyce felt that they needed more time to work on ''WesternAnimation/{{Robots}}''.
* For the longest time, Creator/LeonardNimoy refused to even mention his participation in ''WesternAnimation/TransformersTheMovie'', to the consternation of fans. His complete disavowal of all things Transformers-related finally cracked when he was convinced to voice Sentinel Prime in ''Film/TransformersDarkOfTheMoon''.
** Orson Welles wasn't terribly fond of the movie either, having done it [[MoneyDearBoy for the money]]. When asked what role he played in the film, he said he was "[[MerchandiseDriven a toy]] who does horrible things to other toys."
* One of the animators is ashamed of ''WesternAnimation/{{Foodfight}}'' and even said [[http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/R3G641B07U3ZEL/ref=cm_cr_dp_title/278-4630214-3644732?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B008NAV1ZC&channel=detail-glance&nodeID=283926&store=dvd on Amazon]]:
-->"I actually worked on this movie for a bit. It was one of my first jobs in the industry and let me tell you, if you think it was a train wreck viewing, you should have seen how terrible it was to work on it. The sad truth is there were plenty of talented people working there. many of those people moved on to major studios in both film, TV and games. The bottom line is the director, Larry Kasanoff is a talent-less, classless scumbag that should be banned from Hollywood until the end of time. All of the inappropriate innuendos are a direct product of his "creative hand". I cannot tell you how many times this moron derailed production with his brainless input. It literally has cost the studio millions of dollars. They eventually stepped in and removed him from the project. Unfortunately, that was a decade and millions of dollars late. I am so ashamed of this movie that I have completely left working there off of my resume. On behalf of the many artists that have had the dubious distinction of working on this dumpster fire, I apologize to all of humanity for our part in this."
** An animator for ''WesternAnimation/TheKingAndI'' has also said they didn't care for much it as have the animators of ''WesternAnimation/QuestForCamelot'' including Lauren Faust.
* Most of the recent 2D films from Disney (well, those released since Emperor's New Groove) are now considered old shames as well (with Lilo and Stitch being the arguable exception), especially ''Treasure Planet'' and ''Atlantis:The Lost Empire'' (they did not make Disney as much money as expected and merchandise for those films has become scarce).
* {{Creator/Disney}} does everything in its power to make people forget about ''Film/SongOfTheSouth'', due to its UnfortunateImplications. This has led to some AdaptationDisplacement for their [[Ride/DisneyThemeParks Splash Mountain]] ride, which uses the characters from the animated segments. "Zip-a-dee-doo-dah" falls into the same boat; Disney still uses the song, and most people know it, but they don't know where it comes from.
** For many years, Disney was also deeply ashamed of ''Film/TheBlackCauldron'', a film that performed so horribly upon release that it nearly killed their animation department; and that's not even getting into the troubled production that saw it go through multiple edits to make it more palatable for audiences unfamiliar with its source material. A VHS release of the film was not granted until 1998, a full ''thirteen years'' after the movie's original release, and this was only after considerable pressure from the film's growing fanbase. Even with this and an eventual DVD release in 2010, the film remains virtually unseen among the studio's vast array of merchandise.
1st Apr '16 6:13:23 PM FlyingDuckManGenesis
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* Most of the cartoons at the [[WesternAnimation/TheDisneyAfternoon Disney Afternoon]] block are Old Shames, with the exception of ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}'', ''WesternAnimation/DuckTales'', ''WesternAnimation/DarkwingDuck'' ''WesternAnimation/ChipNDaleRescueRangers'', and (to a lesser extent) ''WesternAnimation/GoofTroop'', although it was a FranchiseOriginalSin. ''WesternAnimation/{{TaleSpin}}'' is a particular old shame, partially due to quality and partially due to legal issues surrounding the originally unauthorized use of King Louie. So is both [[WereStillRelevantDammit Quack Pack and The Mighty Ducks]]

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* Most Many of the cartoons at that originally aired on the [[WesternAnimation/TheDisneyAfternoon Disney Afternoon]] block are Old Shames, with the exception of avert this, such as ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}'', ''WesternAnimation/DuckTales'', ''WesternAnimation/DarkwingDuck'' ''WesternAnimation/DarkwingDuck'', ''WesternAnimation/ChipNDaleRescueRangers'', and (to to a lesser extent) extent, ''WesternAnimation/GoofTroop'', although it was despite being a FranchiseOriginalSin. However, there are still quite a few that play this trope straight;
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''WesternAnimation/{{TaleSpin}}'' is a particular old shame, partially particularly due to quality and partially due to [[ScrewedByTheLawyers legal issues surrounding the originally unauthorized use of King Louie. So is both [[WereStillRelevantDammit Quack Pack Louie]].
** ''WesternAnimation/QuackPack''
and The Mighty Ducks]]''WesternAnimation/TheMightyDucks'' are also old shames for falling into WereStillRelevantDammit territory.
** ''WesternAnimation/TheSchnookumsAndMeatFunnyCartoonShow'' appears to be one as well. It was [[TheyCopiedItSoItSucks heavily accused of being a ripoff of]] ''WesternAnimation/TheRenAndStimpyShow'', and was canceled after only thirteen episodes. To date, it [[KeepCirculatingTheTapes has never seen an official VHS or DVD release]].



** He also, along with everybody else involved, disliked working on ''WesternAnimation/PinkyElmyraAndTheBrain'' for having retooled the wildly popular ''WesternAnimation/PinkyAndTheBrain''. This is evidenced in Brain's line, "I deeply resent this" at the end of the theme song. As well as this line:

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** He also, along with everybody else involved, disliked working on ''WesternAnimation/PinkyElmyraAndTheBrain'' for having retooled the wildly popular ''WesternAnimation/PinkyAndTheBrain''. This is evidenced in Brain's line, "I deeply resent this" at the end of the theme song. As song, as well as this line:



* ''WesternAnimation/TheSchnookumsAndMeatFunnyCartoonShow'' appears to be this for Disney as well. First appearing on the former Disney Afternoon block, it was heavily accused of being a ripoff of ''WesternAnimation/TheRenAndStimpyShow'', and was canceled after only thirteen episodes; To date, it has never seen a release on either VHS or DVD.
23rd Mar '16 3:42:15 AM Wkenneth334
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* ''ComicStrip/{{Peanuts}}''also has a few:

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* ''ComicStrip/{{Peanuts}}''also ''ComicStrip/{{Peanuts}}'' also has a few:few examples:
23rd Mar '16 3:40:57 AM Wkenneth334
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* Creator/CraigBartlett ''really'' detests making the infamous ''WesternAnimation/HeyArnold'' episode "Arnold Betrays Iggy". making staff apologize for it.

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* Creator/CraigBartlett ''really'' detests hates making the infamous ''WesternAnimation/HeyArnold'' episode ''WesternAnimation/HeyArnold'''s "Arnold Betrays Iggy". making staff apologize for it.
20th Mar '16 12:07:26 AM Wkenneth334
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** He also, along with everybody else involved, disliked working on ''WesternAnimation/PinkyElmyraAndTheBrain'' for having retooled the wildly popular ''WesternAnimation/PinkyAndTheBrain''. This is evidenced in Brain's line, "I deeply resent this" at the end of the theme song.

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** He also, along with everybody else involved, disliked working on ''WesternAnimation/PinkyElmyraAndTheBrain'' for having retooled the wildly popular ''WesternAnimation/PinkyAndTheBrain''. This is evidenced in Brain's line, "I deeply resent this" at the end of the theme song. As well as this line:
--> '''Theme Song''': It's what the network wants/ Why bother to complain?



* Besides Creator/MauriceLamarche (see above), many of the people who worked on ''Main/PinkyElmyraAndTheBrain'' despised working on it. In fact, just the theme song's lyrics should be enough of an indication of their disgust.
--> '''Theme Song''': It's what the network wants/ Why bother to complain?



* ''WesternAnimation/TheFairlyOddParents'' creator Butch Hartman (as well as most of the crew) have apologized for the episode "It's a Wishful Life" due to the sadistic treatment of Timmy and its ''disturbing'' FamilyUnfriendlyAesop.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheFairlyOddParents'' creator Butch Hartman (as well as most of the crew) have apologized actually ''apologized'' for the episode "It's a Wishful Life" due to the sadistic treatment of Timmy and its ''disturbing'' ''really disturbing'' FamilyUnfriendlyAesop.



* Creator/CraigBartlett ''really'' detests making the infamous ''WesternAnimation/HeyArnold'' episode "Arnold Betrays Iggy". He even made the staff apologize for it.

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* Creator/CraigBartlett ''really'' detests making the infamous ''WesternAnimation/HeyArnold'' episode "Arnold Betrays Iggy". He even made the making staff apologize for it.



* Creator/BradBird is not a fan of ''Family Dog'', which was so heavily criticized for its animation and premise that Bird has distanced himself from the series, which lasted a mere ''ten'' episodes before it was cancelled.
* ''ComicStrip/{{Peanuts}}'' creator Charles Schulz deeply regretted the animated special ''It's Your First Kiss, Charlie Brown'', owing to the infamous scene where Lucy pulls the football away from Charlie Brown when he's about to score the winning point during a championship game, for which he is blamed by nearly everybody even as Lucy did this in plain view of everybody. Schulz recognized the fan outcry and subsequent reruns of the special by the networks have since heavily edited out this scene, which fans had considered too cruel towards the main character in an otherwise well-received special.
* Bill Melendez said in one interview that "Flash Beagle" was his least favorite of the ''WesternAnimation/{{Peanuts}}'' specials, he didn't like the story, [[UnintentionalPeriodPiece the dance craze itself]], and rotoscoping Snoopy's dancing was difficult for him and his crew.

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* Creator/BradBird is not a fan of ''Family Dog'', which was so heavily criticized for its animation and premise that Bird has distanced himself from the series, which lasted a mere ''ten'' episodes before it was cancelled. \n Also he states how it would never work, before said series even aired!
* ''ComicStrip/{{Peanuts}}'' ''ComicStrip/{{Peanuts}}''also has a few:
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creator Charles Schulz deeply regretted the animated special ''It's Your First Kiss, Charlie Brown'', owing to the infamous scene where Lucy pulls the football away from Charlie Brown when he's about to score the winning point during a championship game, for which he is blamed by nearly everybody even as Lucy did this in plain view of everybody. Schulz recognized the fan outcry and subsequent reruns of the special by the networks have since heavily edited out this scene, which fans had considered too cruel towards the main character in an otherwise well-received special.
* ** Bill Melendez said in one interview that the "Flash Beagle" special was his least favorite of the ''WesternAnimation/{{Peanuts}}'' specials, he didn't like the story, [[UnintentionalPeriodPiece the dance craze itself]], and how the rotoscoping with Snoopy's dancing was very difficult for him and his crew.
19th Feb '16 10:26:11 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* ''WesternAnimation/{{TheSchnookumsAndMeatFunnyCartoonShow}}'' appears to be this for Disney as well. First appearing on the former Disney Afternoon block, it was heavily accused of being a ripoff of ''WesternAnimation/{{TheRenAndStimpyShow}}'', and was canceled after only thirteen episodes; To date, it has never seen a release on either VHS or DVD.

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* ''WesternAnimation/{{TheSchnookumsAndMeatFunnyCartoonShow}}'' ''WesternAnimation/TheSchnookumsAndMeatFunnyCartoonShow'' appears to be this for Disney as well. First appearing on the former Disney Afternoon block, it was heavily accused of being a ripoff of ''WesternAnimation/{{TheRenAndStimpyShow}}'', ''WesternAnimation/TheRenAndStimpyShow'', and was canceled after only thirteen episodes; To date, it has never seen a release on either VHS or DVD.
28th Jan '16 9:46:14 PM TheTrailblazerCritic
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* Detention appears to have been this for Kids WB. In addition to being extremely short lived, having on 13 episodes and not being a spin off, it was never reran on television except during their short lived Fraturday block. Suffice it to say, it may have well been Kids WB shortest, and least remembered, stand alone cartoon ever made.

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* Detention ''Detention'' appears to have been this for Kids WB. In addition to being extremely short lived, having on 13 episodes and not being a spin off, it was never reran on television except during their short lived Fraturday block. Suffice it to say, it may have well been Kids WB shortest, and least remembered, stand alone cartoon ever made.made.
* ''WesternAnimation/{{TheSchnookumsAndMeatFunnyCartoonShow}}'' appears to be this for Disney as well. First appearing on the former Disney Afternoon block, it was heavily accused of being a ripoff of ''WesternAnimation/{{TheRenAndStimpyShow}}'', and was canceled after only thirteen episodes; To date, it has never seen a release on either VHS or DVD.
27th Jan '16 2:20:45 PM Dudeco
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* Detention appears to have been this for Kids WB. In addition to being extremely short lived, Having on 13 episodes and not being a spin off, it was never reran on television except during their short lived Fraturday block. Suffice it to say, it may have well been Kids WB shortest, and least remembered stand alone cartoon ever made.

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* Detention appears to have been this for Kids WB. In addition to being extremely short lived, Having having on 13 episodes and not being a spin off, it was never reran on television except during their short lived Fraturday block. Suffice it to say, it may have well been Kids WB shortest, and least remembered remembered, stand alone cartoon ever made.
27th Jan '16 2:19:17 PM Dudeco
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*Detention appears to have been this for Kids WB. In addition to being extremely short lived, Having on 13 episodes and not being a spin off, it was never reran on television except during their short lived Fraturday block. Suffice it to say, it may have well been Kids WB shortest, and least remembered stand alone cartoon ever made.
22nd Jan '16 6:04:17 PM CRE040295
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* Most of the cartoons at the [[WesternAnimation/TheDisneyAfternoon Disney Afternoon]] block are Old Shames, with the exception of ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}'', ''WesternAnimation/DuckTales'', ''WesternAnimation/DarkwingDuck'' ''WesternAnimation/ChipNDaleRescueRangers'', and (to a lesser extent) ''WesternAnimation/GoofTroop'', although it was a FranchiseOriginalSin. ''WesternAnimation/{{TaleSpin}}'' is a particular old shame, partially due to quality and partially due to legal issues surrounding the originally unauthorized use of King Louie. So is both [[WereStillRelevantDammit Quack Pack and and Mighty Ducks]]

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* Most of the cartoons at the [[WesternAnimation/TheDisneyAfternoon Disney Afternoon]] block are Old Shames, with the exception of ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}'', ''WesternAnimation/DuckTales'', ''WesternAnimation/DarkwingDuck'' ''WesternAnimation/ChipNDaleRescueRangers'', and (to a lesser extent) ''WesternAnimation/GoofTroop'', although it was a FranchiseOriginalSin. ''WesternAnimation/{{TaleSpin}}'' is a particular old shame, partially due to quality and partially due to legal issues surrounding the originally unauthorized use of King Louie. So is both [[WereStillRelevantDammit Quack Pack and and The Mighty Ducks]]
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