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9th Apr '17 1:56:00 PM LadyJaneGrey
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* While fans have always loved ''ComicBook/BatmanTheKillingjoke'', believing it to be the quintessential Joker story, Creator/AlanMoore did not:

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* While fans have always loved ''ComicBook/BatmanTheKillingjoke'', ''ComicBook/BatmanTheKillingJoke'', believing it to be the quintessential Joker story, Creator/AlanMoore did not:
9th Apr '17 1:53:46 PM LadyJaneGrey
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* While fans have always loved ''ComicBook/BatmanTheKillingjoke'', believing it to be the quintessential Joker story, Creator/AlanMoore did not:
** He first claimed in 2000 that "I don't think it's a very good book. It's not saying anything very interesting." He later elaborated in 2003, saying "The Killing Joke is a story about Batman and the Joker; it isn't about anything that you're ever going to encounter in real life, because Batman and the Joker are not like any human beings that have ever lived. So there's no important human information being imparted ... Yeah, it was something that I thought was clumsy, misjudged and had no real human importance. It was just about a couple of licensed DC characters that didn't really relate to the real world in any way."
** He also regrets what happened to Barbara in the story, claiming in 2006, "I asked DC if they had any problem with me crippling Barbara Gordon - who was Batgirl at the time - and if I remember, I spoke to Len Wein, who was our editor on the project ... [He] said, 'Yeah, okay, cripple the bitch.' It was probably one of the areas where they should've reined me in, but they didn't."
5th Apr '17 5:08:25 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* While we're still on the topic of Spider-Man, OneMoreDay and BrandNewDay. Let's just leave it at that...
22nd Mar '17 5:27:47 PM Taskmaster123
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* While we're still on the topic of Spider-Man, OneMoreDay and BrandNewDay. Let's just leave it at that...
4th Feb '17 5:11:14 PM Lloigor
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* ''ComicBook/{{Asterix}}'': Creator Albert Uderzo has apologized about the very anti-German ''Recap/AsterixAndTheGoths'' album. In this story the Goths (Germans) [[AllGermansAreNazis are depicted as being evil and militaristic.]] He said the story was made just two decades after World War II and anti-German sentiments were still vivid then. In later "Asterix" stories Germans are depicted more sympathetically.

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* ''ComicBook/{{Asterix}}'': Creator Albert Uderzo has apologized about the very anti-German ''Recap/AsterixAndTheGoths'' album. In this story the Goths (Germans) [[AllGermansAreNazis are depicted as being evil and militaristic.]] He said the story was made just two decades after World War II and anti-German sentiments were still vivid then. In later "Asterix" stories ''Asterix'' stories, Germans are depicted more sympathetically.
17th Jan '17 10:48:39 AM Cronosonic
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** It was so bad that it was once again referenced in a later Avengers series (Volume 3, specifically) during Carol's time as Warbird, where Kang the Conqueror (basically, Immortus' younger self, [[ContinuitySnarl it's intentionally complicated]]) ''also'' had a son called Marcus (Kang and his various permutations rather like the name for some reason), but this Marcus not only eventually performed a HeelFaceTurn (albeit one that [[HeelFaceDoorSlam resulted in him getting killed]]), he was infatuated with Carol, but starting with issue #47 (when they first met), he was respectful towards her and [[EvenEvilHasStandards went out of his way to avoid doing what his "brother" did to her,]] instead trying to earn her trust and affections legitimately - especially since [[ThisExplainsSoMuch he looked up said "brother" in his father's records]] after Carol lashed out at him in a fury after understandably mistaking him for her rapist. The whole sub-plot could potentially be seen as an apology from Marvel, or at least a genuine attempt at showing they'd learned from the debacle and could and would do better.
29th Oct '16 7:23:35 AM Freezer
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* [[ComicBook/ChickTract Jack Chick]] stands by all of his infamous Chick Tracts, at least enough to reproduce them all on his website. All except one: ''[[http://www.fmh-child.org/Lisa.html Lisa]]''. While it follows one of the standard Chick Tract formulas (Bad person has something even worse happen to him, godly friend tells him that at this point it's "Jesus or Hell," person chooses Jesus, all is forgiven.)[[note]]The other standard formula being "the person rejects Jesus or dies before he can choose, goes to Hell, warning to the reader"[[/note]]. The catch here is that the person in question was [[WouldHurtAChild raping his own daughter, then is blackmailed into letting a neighbor do the same.]] And the godly friend blames the whole situation on porn. Really. Even Chick thought that stretched forgiveness too far, hence the exclusion of that tract.

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* [[ComicBook/ChickTract Jack Chick]] stands stood by all of his infamous Chick Tracts, at least enough to reproduce them all on his website. All except one: ''[[http://www.fmh-child.org/Lisa.html Lisa]]''. While it follows one of the standard Chick Tract formulas (Bad person has something even worse happen to him, godly friend tells him that at this point it's "Jesus or Hell," person chooses Jesus, all is forgiven.)[[note]]The other standard formula being "the person rejects Jesus or dies before he can choose, goes to Hell, warning to the reader"[[/note]]. The catch here is that the person in question was [[WouldHurtAChild raping his own daughter, then is blackmailed into letting a neighbor do the same.]] And the godly friend blames the whole situation on porn. Really. Even Chick thought that stretched forgiveness too far, hence the exclusion of that tract.
28th Oct '16 6:15:59 PM Freezer
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* [[ComicBook/ChickTract Jack Chick]] stands by all of his infamous Chick Tracts, at least enough to reproduce them all on his website. All except one: ''[[http://www.fmh-child.org/Lisa.html Lisa]]''. While it follows one of the standard Chick Tract formulas (Bad person has something even worse happen to him, godly friend tells him that at this point it's "Jesus or Hell," person chooses Jesus, all is forgiven.)[[note]]The other standard formula being "the person rejects Jesus or dies before he can choose, goes to Hell, warning to the reader"[[/note]]. The catch here is that the person in question was [[WouldHurtAChild raping his own daughter, then is blackmailed into letting a neighbor do the same.]] Even Chick thought that stretched forgiveness too far, hence the exclusion of that tract.

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* [[ComicBook/ChickTract Jack Chick]] stands by all of his infamous Chick Tracts, at least enough to reproduce them all on his website. All except one: ''[[http://www.fmh-child.org/Lisa.html Lisa]]''. While it follows one of the standard Chick Tract formulas (Bad person has something even worse happen to him, godly friend tells him that at this point it's "Jesus or Hell," person chooses Jesus, all is forgiven.)[[note]]The other standard formula being "the person rejects Jesus or dies before he can choose, goes to Hell, warning to the reader"[[/note]]. The catch here is that the person in question was [[WouldHurtAChild raping his own daughter, then is blackmailed into letting a neighbor do the same.]] ]] And the godly friend blames the whole situation on porn. Really. Even Chick thought that stretched forgiveness too far, hence the exclusion of that tract.
28th Oct '16 5:52:23 PM Freezer
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* [[ComicBook/ChickTract Jack Chick]] stands by all of his infamous Chick Tracts, at least enough to reproduce them all on his website. All except one: ''[[http://www.fmh-child.org/Lisa.html Lisa]]''. While it follows one of the standard Chick Tract formulas (Bad person has something even worse happen to him, godly friend tells him that at this point it's "Jesus or Hell," person chooses Jesus, all is forgiven.)[[note]]The other standard formula being "the person rejects Jesus or dies before he can choose, goes to Hell, warning to the reader"[[/note]]. The catch here is that the person in question was [[WouldHurtAChild raping his own daughter, then is blackmailed into letting a neighbor do the same.]] Even Chick thought that stretched forgiveness too far, hence the exclusion of that tract.
19th Oct '16 4:07:55 AM Cronosonic
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* Most at Marvel Comics, in particular writer Chris Claremont deeply regret ''The Avengers #200'', regarding its controversial storyline regarding Carol Danvers giving birth to Marcus, the son of Immortus who had impregnated Ms. Marvel in Limbo with the intent to have himself reborn in the mortal world to claim her heart; said impregnation being the result of Marcus seeking out Ms. Marvel's affection with whom he desired intercourse to create a new hybrid race, a feat only accomplished after manipulating her feelings with Immortus' machinations. Infamously dubbed by one reviewer as "The Rape of Ms. Marvel", its head writer Jim Shooter has disowned the comic and referred to it in one interview as "heinous". Chris Claremont and his team went on to publish "Avengers Annual #10", featuring the return of Ms. Marvel to Earth and scolding the Avengers for not recognizing the harm inflicted upon her.

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* Most at Marvel Comics, in particular writer Chris Claremont deeply regret ''The Avengers #200'', regarding its controversial storyline regarding Carol Danvers giving birth to Marcus, the son of Immortus who had impregnated Ms. Marvel in Limbo with the intent to have himself reborn in the mortal world to claim her heart; said impregnation being the result of Marcus seeking out Ms. Marvel's affection with whom he desired intercourse to create a new hybrid race, a feat only accomplished after manipulating her feelings with Immortus' machinations. Infamously dubbed by one reviewer as "The Rape of Ms. Marvel", its head writer Jim Shooter has disowned the comic and referred to it in one interview as "heinous"."heinous", [[http://jimshooter.com/2011/12/avengers-200.html/ as well as noting that]] he legitimately doesn't remember writing or working on it, but he apologised for somehow signing off on the book in the state that it was published in, something he was entirely baffled by in hindsight considering its glaring problems that he noted shouldn't have made the cut. Chris Claremont and his team went on to publish "Avengers Annual #10", featuring the return of Ms. Marvel to Earth and scolding the Avengers for not recognizing the harm inflicted upon her.
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