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19th Apr '18 10:57:34 AM gjjones
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* Creator/VeronicaTaylor isn't too fond of being a part of the ''Manga/IkkiTousen'' franchise. She feels it belittles women and says she doesn't stand by it. She also chose to be credited under another name for the show for this very reason. Nonetheless, she says she was happy to book more work, and she put no less effort into her characters.

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* ''Manga/IkkiTousen'':
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Creator/VeronicaTaylor isn't too fond of being a part of the ''Manga/IkkiTousen'' franchise. She feels it belittles women and says she doesn't stand by it. She also chose to be credited under another name for the show for this very reason. Nonetheless, she says she was happy to book more work, and she put no less effort into her characters.



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* ''Anime/StrikeWitches'', despite its current successful anime, light novels, and manga series, had a very rocky start that's been quietly ignored by the writers. For the first manga, "Maidens of the Blue Sky," the artist was originally told to make it a bit {{ecchi}}. It was then cancelled because it was ''too'' ecchi and focused too much on {{fanservice}} at the expense of everything else (which, believe it or not, is still true, even compared to the current anime). The second manga, "Maidens in the Sky," wasn't much better. The problem this time was just that it wasn't very good, and contradicted the anime in quite a few ways. Although the actual events in these manga have since been ignored, the characters in them have actually reappeared in newer material.
** Speaking of ''Strike Witches'', Creator/ColleenClinkenbeard voiced a role in the first season, but you wouldn't know it from the credits because she was so ashamed of the show that she insisted on using an alias. Apparently she wasn't the only one. Nevertheless, Clinkenbeard was still credited under her real name for the role of Hanna-Justine Marseille in the second season.
* Creator/BradSwaile, best known today for playing Light Yagami in ''Manga/DeathNote'', wasn't fond of playing [[TheScrappy Kicker Jones]] on ''Anime/TransformersEnergon''.

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* ''Anime/StrikeWitches'', despite ''Anime/StrikeWitches'':
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its current successful anime, light novels, and manga series, had a very rocky start that's been quietly ignored by the writers. For the first manga, "Maidens of the Blue Sky," the artist was originally told to make it a bit {{ecchi}}. It was then cancelled because it was ''too'' ecchi and focused too much on {{fanservice}} at the expense of everything else (which, believe it or not, is still true, even compared to the current anime). The second manga, "Maidens in the Sky," wasn't much better. The problem this time was just that it wasn't very good, and contradicted the anime in quite a few ways. Although the actual events in these manga have since been ignored, the characters in them have actually reappeared in newer material.
** Speaking of ''Strike Witches'', Creator/ColleenClinkenbeard voiced a role in the first season, but you wouldn't know it from the credits because she was so ashamed of the show that she insisted on using an alias. Apparently she wasn't the only one. Nevertheless, Clinkenbeard was still credited under her real name for the role of Hanna-Justine Marseille in the second season.
* ''Franchise/Transformers'':
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Creator/BradSwaile, best known today for playing Light Yagami in ''Manga/DeathNote'', wasn't fond of playing [[TheScrappy Kicker Jones]] on ''Anime/TransformersEnergon''.



* ''Anime/{{Robotech}}'': The majority of the surviving voice actors who worked on the show seem to be enjoying their belated fame. Kerrigan Mahan (Sean Phillips and Bron) seems to be an exception to this. He appears to just have selective amnesia concerning the show.

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* ''Anime/{{Robotech}}'': ''Anime/{{Robotech}}'':
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The majority of the surviving voice actors who worked on the show seem to be enjoying their belated fame. Kerrigan Mahan (Sean Phillips and Bron) seems to be an exception to this. He appears to just have selective amnesia concerning the show.



** The original ''Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross'' was almost this for Mari Iijima. She was just a teenager when she played Minmay, and the popularity of the show and the character caused her to be {{pigeonholed|VoiceActor}} and soon leave acting entirely to concentrate on her music career. It took her twenty years to make her peace with the series and the character… just in time for ADV, in a bit of StuntCasting, to ask her to play Minmay ''again'' (only this time in English).

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** The original ''Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross'' was almost this for Mari Iijima. She was just a teenager when she played Minmay, and the popularity of the show and the character caused her to be {{pigeonholed|VoiceActor}} and soon leave acting entirely to concentrate on her music career. It took her twenty years to make her peace with the series and the character… just character... just in time for ADV, in a bit of StuntCasting, to ask her to play Minmay ''again'' (only this time in English).
19th Apr '18 10:54:48 AM gjjones
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** {{Invoked|Trope}}. The original Canadian dub from the 90s is this to everyone except a few of the voice actors. For [=DiC=], the dub's poor reception stings; to Western fans of the original Japanese, the {{dub name change}}s stoked ire for years (even though many of the name changes actually made sense... and [[DoubleStandard no one complained about European dubs changing the characters' names]]); to the Japanese – especially Takeuchi – its biggest sin was the fact that it was severely {{Bowdlerize}}d and edited. That last reason is why it will never see the light of day again. Fortunately, Viz was given the go-ahead to redub the entire thing from scratch.

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** {{Invoked|Trope}}. The Deliberately {{invoked|Trope}} for the Canadian dub. Most of the original Canadian dub staff and cast from the 90s is this to everyone weren't happy how it turned out, except a few of the voice actors. For [=DiC=], the dub's poor reception stings; to Western fans of the original Japanese, the {{dub name change}}s stoked ire for years (even though many of the name changes actually made sense... and [[DoubleStandard no one complained about European dubs changing the characters' names]]); to the Japanese – especially Takeuchi – Japanese, ''especially'' Takeuchi, its biggest sin was the fact that it was severely {{Bowdlerize}}d and edited. That last reason is why it will never see the light of day again. Fortunately, Viz was given the go-ahead to redub the entire thing from scratch. Roland Parliament, one of the original ADR directors, wrote a book about all about the production issues of the dub in August 2014, which was three months after Viz got the license.



* The Japanese producers of ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' seem to like to pretend that "Electric Soldier Porygon" never existed. This is the infamous episode that featured flashing colors, causing over 600 viewers to go to the hospital with seizures. When news broke of the story in Japan, they aired the same clip ''[[WhatAnIdiot again]]'', sending even more people to the hospital. It was an extremely embarrassing event that caused massive problems in the anime industry in general, as apparently something like this could have happened at any time in the previous decade due to the use of "strobe light" animation techniques; they just didn't pay it heed until then. It also nearly killed the franchise. Of course, the producers want no reminders of it -- and that includes Porygon itself. Note that no major characters in the games use Porygon either (although that may just be because Porygon is supposed to be rare). What's particularly bad about it is that the cause of the seizures ''[[{{Misblamed}} wasn't Porygon at all]]'' -- the real culprit were explosive missiles launched by an antivirus program in cyberspace, which for whatever reason flashed red and blue when they were hit by [[SeriesMascot Pikachu's]] lightning.

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* ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'':
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The Japanese producers of ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' seem to like to pretend that were upset by "Electric Soldier Porygon" never existed. This is Porygon", the infamous episode that featured flashing colors, causing over 600 viewers to go to the hospital with seizures. When news broke of the story in Japan, they aired the same clip ''[[WhatAnIdiot again]]'', ''again'', sending even more people to the hospital. It was an extremely embarrassing event that caused massive problems in the anime industry in general, as apparently something like this could have happened at any time in the previous decade due to the use of "strobe light" animation techniques; they just didn't pay it heed until then. It also nearly killed the franchise. Of course, the was a near-FranchiseKiller. The producers want no reminders of it -- and that includes Porygon itself. Note that no major characters in the games use Porygon either (although that may just be because Porygon is supposed to be rare). What's particularly bad about it is that the cause of the seizures ''[[{{Misblamed}} wasn't Porygon at all]]'' -- the real culprit were explosive missiles launched by an antivirus program in cyberspace, which for whatever reason flashed red and blue when they were hit by [[SeriesMascot Pikachu's]] lightning.



* The title of the third chapter of ''Manga/AxisPowersHetalia'' (entitled ''G-R Nonaggression Pact?'') might seem strange, as Russia barely shows up (except to break England's cursed chair) and there is no pact depicted. It turns out that the original opening to the webcomic ''did'' depict it, and the pages were removed by Hidekaz Himaruya, having not done the research on Germany and Russia's pre-WWII relationship and the conditions of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Needless to say, he rectified part of the problem in a later chapter and finally depicted the pact, but once American fandom found the original deleted strips and scanslated them, they would come back to haunt him.

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* ''Manga/AxisPowersHetalia'':
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The title of the third chapter of ''Manga/AxisPowersHetalia'' (entitled ''G-R Nonaggression Pact?'') might seem strange, as Russia barely shows up (except to break England's cursed chair) and there is no pact depicted. It turns out that the original opening to the webcomic ''did'' depict it, and the pages were removed by Hidekaz Himaruya, having not done the research on Germany and Russia's pre-WWII relationship and the conditions of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Needless to say, he rectified part of the problem in a later chapter and finally depicted the pact, but once American fandom found the original deleted strips and scanslated them, they would come back to haunt him.



* Whenever anyone asked Creator/AlexisTipton about what one of her regrets was, she would answer ''Anime/MasterOfMartialHearts'' without hesitation, due to its low production values and [[CruelTwistEnding infamous twist ending]].

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* Whenever anyone asked Creator/AlexisTipton about what one of her regrets about her career was, she would answer ''Anime/MasterOfMartialHearts'' without hesitation, due to its low production values and [[CruelTwistEnding infamous twist ending]].



* Creator/ChristopherSabat and several other actors in the cast consider the original dub of ''Anime/DragonBallZ'' an old shame as it was their first job in the anime industry meaning that neither their acting or the scripts were up to snuff. (That said, the cast are all generally fond of the ''Franchise/DragonBall'' franchise and were pleased to be able to improve upon their original work with ''Anime/DragonBallKai''.)

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* Creator/ChristopherSabat and several other actors in the cast consider the original dub of ''Anime/DragonBallZ'' an old shame as it was their first job in the anime industry meaning that neither their acting or the scripts were up to snuff. (That That said, the cast are all generally fond of the ''Franchise/DragonBall'' franchise and were pleased to be able to improve upon their original work with ''Anime/DragonBallKai''.)



** Creator/FourKidsEntertainment wasn't happy with what they did to the series, since they didn't want anything to do with the show in the first place.
** Creator/EricStuart frequently admits how terrible what [=4Kids=] did, given how he felt that it would never work as a Saturday morning show. He still has fond memories of working on that show despite their production issues.

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** Creator/FourKidsEntertainment wasn't happy with what they did to the series, since they didn't want anything to do with the show in the first place.
place. They were forced to edit it until they were able to legally drop the license.
** Creator/EricStuart frequently admits how terrible what [=4Kids=] did, at conventions and interviews that he also knows their adaptation was terrible, given how he felt that it would never work as a Saturday morning show. He still has fond memories of working on that show series despite their production issues.



* Ichiei Ishibumi, the writer of the ''LightNovel/HighSchoolDXD'' light novels, and the anime's adaptations director, Tetsuya Yanagisawa, said that the anime adaptation's third season, ''[=BorN=]'', wasn't the season they were hoping it would be due to Yanagisawa shifting around the volumes adapted for the season, in this case the fifth through seventh.

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* Ichiei Ishibumi, the writer of the ''LightNovel/HighSchoolDXD'' light novels, and the anime's adaptations director, Tetsuya Yanagisawa, said that the anime adaptation's third season, ''[=BorN=]'', wasn't the season they were hoping it would be due to Yanagisawa shifting around the volumes adapted for the season, in this case the fifth through seventh. Ishibumi and Yanagisawa consequently went their separate ways and Passione animated the fourth season, ''Hero'', in TNK's place.
14th Apr '18 7:30:40 PM gjjones
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* Ichiei Ishibumi, the writer of the ''LightNovel/HighSchoolDXD'' light novels, said that the anime adaptation's third season, ''[=BorN=]'', was the season he was hoping it would be due to his involvement in shifting around the volumes adapted for the season, in this case the fifth through seventh, so that he could write the ''EX'' spin-off. Tetsuya Yanagisawa, the anime's first director, also expressed regret on this season.

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* Ichiei Ishibumi, the writer of the ''LightNovel/HighSchoolDXD'' light novels, and the anime's adaptations director, Tetsuya Yanagisawa, said that the anime adaptation's third season, ''[=BorN=]'', was wasn't the season he was they were hoping it would be due to his involvement in Yanagisawa shifting around the volumes adapted for the season, in this case the fifth through seventh, so that he could write the ''EX'' spin-off. Tetsuya Yanagisawa, the anime's first director, also expressed regret on this season.seventh.
14th Apr '18 7:23:15 PM Pichu-kun
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* An in-universe example occurs in ''Manga/{{Nana}}''. One of the Nana's is embarrassed and ashamed about the affair she had with a married man when she was a teenager.
20th Jan '18 9:53:01 PM Vilui
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** {{Invoked|Trope}}. The original Canadian dub from the 90's is this to everyone except a few of the voice actors. For [=DiC=], the dub's poor reception stings; to Western fans of the original Japanese, the {{dub name change}}s stoked ire for years (even though many of the name changes actually made sense... and [[DoubleStandard no one complained about European dubs changing the characters' names]]); to the Japanese – especially Takeuchi – its biggest sin was the fact that it was severely {{Bowdlerize}}d and edited. That last reason is why it will never see the light of day again. Fortunately, Viz was given the go-ahead to redub the entire thing from scratch.

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** {{Invoked|Trope}}. The original Canadian dub from the 90's 90s is this to everyone except a few of the voice actors. For [=DiC=], the dub's poor reception stings; to Western fans of the original Japanese, the {{dub name change}}s stoked ire for years (even though many of the name changes actually made sense... and [[DoubleStandard no one complained about European dubs changing the characters' names]]); to the Japanese – especially Takeuchi – its biggest sin was the fact that it was severely {{Bowdlerize}}d and edited. That last reason is why it will never see the light of day again. Fortunately, Viz was given the go-ahead to redub the entire thing from scratch.
13th Jan '18 5:43:43 PM Cavery210
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* ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'' has "[[MissingEpisode Episode 15:]] Kukurus Doan's Island", which wasn't featured on the US broadcast or DVD boxset at the request of Creator/YoshiyukiTomino, who felt it wasn't up to the standard of the rest of the series thanks to horrendously OffModel moments. There's also the reasoning that he and the director for the episode butted heads, with Tomino stating, "He knows what he did," when asked what happened. Ironically, some fans would have preferred that they kept "Doan" and instead removed the previous episode "Time, Be Still", which covers the same concept but not as well and also has tortuously slow pacing. The episode is also still present on the Japanese set, released much later.

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* ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'' has "[[MissingEpisode Episode 15:]] Kukurus Cucuruz Doan's Island", which wasn't featured on the US broadcast or DVD boxset at the request of Creator/YoshiyukiTomino, who felt it wasn't up to the standard of the rest of the series thanks to horrendously OffModel moments. There's also the reasoning that he and the director for the episode butted heads, with Tomino stating, "He knows what he did," when asked what happened. Ironically, some fans would have preferred that they kept "Doan" and instead removed the previous episode "Time, Be Still", which covers the same concept but not as well and also has tortuously slow pacing. The episode is also still present on the Japanese set, released much later.
22nd Oct '17 12:37:26 AM gjjones
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* Ichiei Ishibumi, the writer of the ''LightNovel/HighSchoolDXD'' light novels, said that the anime adaptation's third season, ''[=BorN=]'', was the season he was hoping it would be due to his involvement in shifting around the volumes adapted for the season, in this case the fifth through seventh, so that he could write the ''EX'' spin-off. Tetsuya Yanagisawa, the anime's first director, also expressed regret on this season.
13th Sep '17 8:57:37 PM gjjones
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* Creator/SteveBlum absolutely refuses to work on anything hentai [[note]] he no longer can do any of these titles anyway since hentai titles are non-union[[/note]], as he came across a scene that was so offensive that he left the studio immediately (link to the video [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j73B-iDaNog&t=0m37s here]]).

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* Creator/SteveBlum absolutely refuses to work on anything hentai [[note]] he no longer can do any of these titles anyway since hentai titles are non-union[[/note]], as he came across a scene that was so offensive that [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere he left the studio immediately immediately]] (link to the video [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j73B-iDaNog&t=0m37s here]]).



** Creator/FourKidsEntertainment in general wasn't happy with what they did to the series, since they didn't want anything to do with the show in the first place.

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** Creator/FourKidsEntertainment in general wasn't happy with what they did to the series, since they didn't want anything to do with the show in the first place.


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* ''Anime/DGrayMan'' author Katsura Hoshino wasn't happy with how the first anime series turned out.
2nd Sep '17 11:46:28 AM gjjones
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** [[invoked]] The original Canadian dub from the 90's is this to pretty much everyone except a few of the voice actors. For [=DiC=], the dub's poor reception stings; to Western fans of the original Japanese, the {{dub name change}}s stoked ire for years (even though many of the name changes actually made sense… and [[DoubleStandard no one complained about European dubs changing the characters' names]]); to the Japanese – especially Takeuchi – its biggest sin was the fact that it was severely {{Bowdlerize}}d and edited. That last reason is why it will never see the light of day again. Fortunately, Viz was given the go-ahead to redub the entire thing from scratch.

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** [[invoked]] {{Invoked|Trope}}. The original Canadian dub from the 90's is this to pretty much everyone except a few of the voice actors. For [=DiC=], the dub's poor reception stings; to Western fans of the original Japanese, the {{dub name change}}s stoked ire for years (even though many of the name changes actually made sense… sense... and [[DoubleStandard no one complained about European dubs changing the characters' names]]); to the Japanese – especially Takeuchi – its biggest sin was the fact that it was severely {{Bowdlerize}}d and edited. That last reason is why it will never see the light of day again. Fortunately, Viz was given the go-ahead to redub the entire thing from scratch.


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* ''Manga/OnePiece''
** Creator/FourKidsEntertainment in general wasn't happy with what they did to the series, since they didn't want anything to do with the show in the first place.
** Creator/EricStuart frequently admits how terrible what [=4Kids=] did, given how he felt that it would never work as a Saturday morning show. He still has fond memories of working on that show despite their production issues.
22nd Aug '17 12:11:32 AM superkeijikun
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** Blum was one of the first voice actors to portray Goku, the famous protagonist of ''Manga/DragonBall''. Unfortunately, the one time he did the voice of Goku was in ''Anime/DragonBallGT: Final Bout'', a lackluster PSX fighting game with hilariously awful voice acting.

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** Blum was one of the first voice actors to portray Goku, the famous protagonist of ''Manga/DragonBall''. Unfortunately, the one time he did the voice of Goku was in ''Anime/DragonBallGT: Final Bout'', a lackluster PSX fighting game with hilariously awful voice acting.acting where his performance was embarrassing, even for himself.
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