History NotSoDifferent / VideoGames

6th Jan '17 11:39:35 PM WanderingBrowser
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* In ''VideoGame/WolfensteinTheNewOrder'', optional rebel character J has a less than rosy view of American society before ThoseWackyNazis took over with their DieselPunk, pointing out that the Nazis' actions are just the logical extreme of views on racial superiority and purity that were held by virtually every country in the 1930s, and that in particular America used to treat colored individuals like himself almost as bad as the Nazis treated Jews. To the point that, as a black man, the Nazi regime is pretty much a case of HereComesTheNewBoss. Player character B.J. Blascowicz, an American-born Polish Jew (who ironically looks like he stepped off of a Nazi propaganda poster about the Ubermench), doesn't take the comparison very well.

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* In ''VideoGame/WolfensteinTheNewOrder'', optional rebel character J has a less than rosy view of American society before ThoseWackyNazis took over with their DieselPunk, pointing out that the Nazis' actions are just the logical extreme of views on racial superiority and purity that were held by virtually every country in the 1930s, and that in particular America used to treat colored individuals like himself almost as bad as the Nazis treated Jews. To the point that, as a black man, the Nazi regime is pretty much a case of HereComesTheNewBoss.MeetTheNewBoss. Player character B.J. Blascowicz, an American-born Polish Jew (who ironically looks like he stepped off of a Nazi propaganda poster about the Ubermench), doesn't take the comparison very well.



-->'''Yukari''': Deep down inside, I think (Mom) still misses Dad. It's hard to explain, but I realized this when you and I started going out, ([[FirstNameBasis First]] [[HelloInsertCharacterNameHere Name]])-kun. She couldn't handle it... Losing someone so important to her.

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-->'''Yukari''': Deep down inside, I think (Mom) still misses Dad. It's hard to explain, but I realized this when you and I started going out, ([[FirstNameBasis First]] [[HelloInsertCharacterNameHere Name]])-kun. She couldn't handle it... Losing someone so important to her.her.
* Invoked in the ''Nuka-World'' {{DLC}} for ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 4}}''; a [[AlwaysChaoticEvil Raider]] companion, Porter Gage, will react to the player being formally aligned with the Brotherhood of Steel by noting that the Brotherhood are really no different from Raiders -- using intimidation and violence to coerce people into providing supplies for them and stealing whatever they consider valuable (in their case, ancient tech like robots and energy weapons). The Brotherhood just dresses up what they do as having a "noble" cause, claiming they are guardians out to protect humanity from the destruction that the ancients caused with their mishandling of technology.
21st Dec '16 9:25:02 AM Morgenthaler
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** Jin also has this dynamic with [[VideoGame/BlazblueChronoPhantasma Kagura]]. They're both tall, [[ChickMagnet physically attractive]], [[DeadpanSnarker snarky]] and immensely {{Badass}} heads of powerful noble families in the Duodecim. It's suggested by characters in story that if Jin were never born, Kagura would've been the Hero of Ikaruga. They even both have a thing for motorcycles! The main difference between them, however, is personality: Kagura is a laid-back NiceGuy, Jin is an arrogant {{Jerkass}}.

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** Jin also has this dynamic with [[VideoGame/BlazblueChronoPhantasma Kagura]]. They're both tall, [[ChickMagnet physically attractive]], [[DeadpanSnarker snarky]] and immensely {{Badass}} badass heads of powerful noble families in the Duodecim. It's suggested by characters in story that if Jin were never born, Kagura would've been the Hero of Ikaruga. They even both have a thing for motorcycles! The main difference between them, however, is personality: Kagura is a laid-back NiceGuy, Jin is an arrogant {{Jerkass}}.
20th Oct '16 5:47:00 PM thatmadork
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*** The Civil War questline gets tons of this. Try saving before the peace treaty negotiation and take different dialogue options favouring one side or the other, and make note of how often the two sides will say nearly the same thing. More poignantly, if you completed the Civil War questline before the main story, [[spoiler:you'll see Rikke if you sided with the Stormcloaks, and Ulfric and Galmar if you sided with the Empire, in Sovngarde. It seems that no matter what petty squabbles the mortals have, in the eyes of Shor, they're all Nords and all worthy heroes who deserve a place in the afterlife.]]
20th Oct '16 8:08:30 AM Valen
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* In ''VideoGame/Persona2'', twin deities Philemon and Nyarlathotep embody the best and worst traits of humanity, respectively. The plot of the game is set into motion by a bet the two make on whether humanity will be more like Philemon and elevate themselves, or more like Nyarlathotep and destroy themselves. Nyarlathotep is a prideful {{Jerkass}} who breaks the rules of the bet from the outset to make humanity ruin itself, so naturally, Philemon is BigGood by default, right? [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation Maybe not.]] Even though they have polar opposite goals and Philemon is unfailingly kind and helpful, they both have the exact same method to get people to do what they want: give them some power and manipulate them into fighting the other's agents. Plus, as good a benefactor Philemon is, he shows the same callous disregard for his champion's suffering as the villainous Nyarlathotep does. There's even an option to [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulu punch Philemon in the face]] later on.

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* In ''VideoGame/Persona2'', twin deities Philemon and Nyarlathotep embody the best and worst traits of humanity, respectively. The plot of the game is set into motion by a bet the two make on whether humanity will be more like Philemon and elevate themselves, or more like Nyarlathotep and destroy themselves. Nyarlathotep is a prideful {{Jerkass}} who breaks the rules of the bet from the outset to make humanity ruin itself, so naturally, Philemon is BigGood by default, right? [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation Maybe not.]] Even though they have polar opposite goals and Philemon is unfailingly kind and helpful, they both have the exact same method to get people to do what they want: give them some power and manipulate them into fighting the other's agents. Plus, as good a benefactor Philemon is, he shows the same callous disregard for his champion's suffering as the villainous Nyarlathotep does. There's even an option to [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulu [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu punch Philemon in the face]] later on.
20th Oct '16 8:05:32 AM Valen
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* In ''VideoGame/MegaManZero 4'', [[BigBad Dr. Weil]] desperately bluffs Zero and tries to convince him that killing Weil would be stooping to his level of villainy. In an unorthodox move, Zero kills him anyway, making note at how he never considered himself a hero to begin with.

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* In ''VideoGame/MegaManZero 4'', [[BigBad Dr. Weil]] desperately bluffs Zero and tries to convince him that killing Weil would be stooping to his level of villainy. In an unorthodox move, a rare example for this trope, Zero kills him anyway, making note at how [[BlackAndGreyMorality ''agrees'' with him]], saying he never considered thought of himself as a hero to begin with.with, and kills him anyway.


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* In ''VideoGame/Persona2'', twin deities Philemon and Nyarlathotep embody the best and worst traits of humanity, respectively. The plot of the game is set into motion by a bet the two make on whether humanity will be more like Philemon and elevate themselves, or more like Nyarlathotep and destroy themselves. Nyarlathotep is a prideful {{Jerkass}} who breaks the rules of the bet from the outset to make humanity ruin itself, so naturally, Philemon is BigGood by default, right? [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation Maybe not.]] Even though they have polar opposite goals and Philemon is unfailingly kind and helpful, they both have the exact same method to get people to do what they want: give them some power and manipulate them into fighting the other's agents. Plus, as good a benefactor Philemon is, he shows the same callous disregard for his champion's suffering as the villainous Nyarlathotep does. There's even an option to [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulu punch Philemon in the face]] later on.
3rd Sep '16 6:29:08 PM Valiona
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* In ''VideoGame/WolfensteinTheNewOrder'', optional rebel character J has a less than rosy view of American society before ThoseWackyNazis took over with their DieselPunk, pointing out that the Nazi's actions are just the logical extreme of views on racial superiority and purity that were held by virtually every country in the 1930s, and that in particular America used to treat colored individuals like himself almost as bad as the Nazis treated Jews. To the point that, as a black man, the Nazi regime is pretty much a case of HereComesTheNewBoss. Player character B.J. Blascowicz, an American-born Polish Jew (who ironically looks like he stepped off of a Nazi propaganda poster about the Ubermench), doesn't take the comparison very well.

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* In ''VideoGame/WolfensteinTheNewOrder'', optional rebel character J has a less than rosy view of American society before ThoseWackyNazis took over with their DieselPunk, pointing out that the Nazi's Nazis' actions are just the logical extreme of views on racial superiority and purity that were held by virtually every country in the 1930s, and that in particular America used to treat colored individuals like himself almost as bad as the Nazis treated Jews. To the point that, as a black man, the Nazi regime is pretty much a case of HereComesTheNewBoss. Player character B.J. Blascowicz, an American-born Polish Jew (who ironically looks like he stepped off of a Nazi propaganda poster about the Ubermench), doesn't take the comparison very well.



* ''VideoGame/MinecraftStoryMode'': Magnus and Ellegaard, despite their dislike of each other, are both [[{{Pride}} stubbornly proud]] of their achievements and difficult to get on the good side of. When they meet [[spoiler:the Wither Storm]], they both come to the same conclusions (the one you recruited realizes it's a threat they could never have imagined and decides to go at night, the one not recruited wants to wait til morning, and if you pick going out at night, the opposing party says that they're only going because you're a fan of the other).

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* ''VideoGame/MinecraftStoryMode'': Magnus and Ellegaard, despite their dislike of each other, are both [[{{Pride}} stubbornly proud]] of their achievements and difficult to get on the good side of. When they meet [[spoiler:the Wither Storm]], they both come to the same conclusions (the one you recruited realizes it's a threat they could never have imagined and decides to go at night, the one not recruited wants to wait til morning, and if you pick going out at night, the opposing party says that they're only going because you're a fan of the other).other).
* In ''VideoGame/{{Persona3}}'', Yukari Takeba is initially on bad terms with her mother because Mrs. Takeba, devastated by losing her husband and Yukari's father, entered superficial relationships with many men. Through the course of Yukari's Social Link, as she becomes closer to the protagonist, she'll admit that she gradually has started to understand what it means to lose the one you love ([[LesYay which also goes for the female protagonist]]). In ''The Answer'', [[spoiler:Yukari's grief and desire to see the protagonist again cause her to be willing to go back in time and risk the end of the world just so there's a chance she could save it without him having to die]].
-->'''Yukari''': Deep down inside, I think (Mom) still misses Dad. It's hard to explain, but I realized this when you and I started going out, ([[FirstNameBasis First]] [[HelloInsertCharacterNameHere Name]])-kun. She couldn't handle it... Losing someone so important to her.
28th Aug '16 2:13:49 PM jroggs
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* ''VideoGame/DyingLight'' taunts the player for evil deeds they probably didn't even notice they were committing. Protagonist Kyle Crane meets a crooked politician who offers to help him escape the city and and give him a cut of his $25 million stash. When Crane asks if the money actually belongs to him, the politician brushes it off saying that the people it belonged to are zombies now, "... And besides, don't tell me you've never helped yourself to the wallet of a biter you killed." Err... maybe a few... [[spoiler: thousand...]]
13th Aug '16 2:12:42 PM nombretomado
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* In ''DirgeOfCerberus'' when Vincent [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice impales]] Azul the Cerulean ''on his own cannon'' by ''hurling'' it through his torso, Azul comments that Vincent, possessed by [[SuperpoweredEvilSide Chaos]], is an even more of a beast than ''he'' is.

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* In ''DirgeOfCerberus'' ''VideoGame/DirgeOfCerberus'' when Vincent [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice impales]] Azul the Cerulean ''on his own cannon'' by ''hurling'' it through his torso, Azul comments that Vincent, possessed by [[SuperpoweredEvilSide Chaos]], is an even more of a beast than ''he'' is.
5th Aug '16 12:30:31 PM 313Bluestreak
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** [[VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2006 Mephiles the Dark]] is in a way a darker version of Shadow's ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure2'' personality. Both are [[TheChessmasters chessmasters]] that played the desires of another to follow suit to their plans (Shadow to Eggman, Mephiles to Silver). Both desired revenge on humanity (especially those that experimented on them), though for Mephiles, revenge was only a side-motive. Both have planet-sized egos. And both nearly succeeded. Shadow's plan only failed because he decided he didn't want to go through with it; Mephiles' plan actually ''worked'' and the heroes had to really struggle to undo it.

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** [[VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2006 Mephiles the Dark]] is in a way a darker version of Shadow's ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure2'' personality. Both are [[TheChessmasters [[TheChessmaster chessmasters]] that played the desires of another to follow suit to their plans (Shadow to Eggman, Mephiles to Silver). Both desired revenge on humanity (especially those that experimented on them), though for Mephiles, revenge was only a side-motive. Both have planet-sized egos. And both nearly succeeded. Shadow's plan only failed because he decided he didn't want to go through with it; Mephiles' plan actually ''worked'' and the heroes had to really struggle to undo it.
5th Aug '16 12:29:57 PM 313Bluestreak
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* From the ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'' series, there is nowhere this trope is more present in than in the titular character and [[TheRival Shadow the Hedgehog.]] Shadow was unique among Sonic's rivals in that he was very similar to Sonic himself, excluding Metal Sonic who was an artificial construction deliberately designed after Sonic's image. Shadow is somewhat impatient and has [[SmugSuper quite the high opinion of himself]], and is one of the few characters who can keep up with Sonic's speed. Although they do differ in that Shadow is way more serious and introspective than [[MellowFellow Sonic.]] This was actually a point of conflict for the two in VideoGame/SonicAdventure2 (Shadow's debut) where Shadow incidentally frames Sonic for a crime due to their similarities; they then spend the rest of the game trying to one-up each other accusing the other of being a "faker."

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* From the ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'' series, there is nowhere this trope is more present in than in the titular character and [[TheRival Shadow the Hedgehog.]] Shadow was unique among Sonic's rivals in that he was very similar to Sonic himself, excluding Metal Sonic who was an artificial construction deliberately designed after Sonic's image. Shadow is somewhat impatient and has [[SmugSuper quite the high opinion of himself]], and is one of the few characters who can keep up with Sonic's speed. Although they do differ in that Shadow is way more serious and introspective than [[MellowFellow Sonic.]] This was actually a point of conflict for the two in VideoGame/SonicAdventure2 ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure2'' (Shadow's debut) where Shadow incidentally frames Sonic for a crime due to their similarities; they then spend the rest of the game trying to one-up each other accusing the other of being a "faker." "
** Sonic and Knuckles are depicted as having contrasting personalities - Sonic is laid-back and carefree while Knuckles is serious and short-tempered with the duty to guard the Master Emerald. What the two share is a sense of pride for certain things (Sonic with his speed while Knuckles with his guardianship and strength).
** [[VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2006 Mephiles the Dark]] is in a way a darker version of Shadow's ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure2'' personality. Both are [[TheChessmasters chessmasters]] that played the desires of another to follow suit to their plans (Shadow to Eggman, Mephiles to Silver). Both desired revenge on humanity (especially those that experimented on them), though for Mephiles, revenge was only a side-motive. Both have planet-sized egos. And both nearly succeeded. Shadow's plan only failed because he decided he didn't want to go through with it; Mephiles' plan actually ''worked'' and the heroes had to really struggle to undo it.
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