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3rd Dec '15 2:41:29 PM CountDorku
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** Corax comes to this realisation regarding Conrad Kurze during the Heresy - if Corax had been left to his own devices like Kurze, instead of being raised by well-meaning people, Corax could easily have degenerated into a sadistic whackjob like Kurze, and it could have been the Raven Guard [[CavalryBetrayal betraying]] the Night Lords on Isstvan V instead of the other way around.
25th Nov '15 9:09:42 PM NozzDogg
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** The Grey Knights Space Marine Chapter has been willing to forge alliances and trade with aliens on occasion, in order to gain knowledge or technology for use in its fight against Chaos. It's likely that they're only willing to do this because, underneath all the Imperium's xenophobia and human-supremacist ideals, they realise that humans and non-humans alike are just trying to get by and hold back the tide of Chaos for another day.

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** The Grey Knights Space Marine Chapter has been willing to forge alliances and trade with aliens on occasion, in order to gain knowledge or technology for use in its fight against Chaos. It's likely that they're only willing to do this because, underneath all the Imperium's xenophobia and human-supremacist ideals, they realise that humans and non-humans alike are just trying to get by and hold back the tide of Chaos for another day.day.
* A major theme with the warring tribes, concordats and nations of Venus in ''TabletopGame/RocketAge'', who are often very like their neighbours and rivals. An telling point is how many of the various groups call themselves 'the people'.
18th Oct '15 5:32:34 AM sinndogg
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** The Grey Knights Space Marine Chapter has been willing to forge alliances and trade with aliens on occasion, in order to gain knowledge or technology for use in its fight against Chaos. Most likely, the only reason that they're willing to do this is because, underneath all the Imperium's xenophobia and human-supremacist ideals, they realise that they're all just trying to get by and hold back the tide of Chaos for another day.

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** The Grey Knights Space Marine Chapter has been willing to forge alliances and trade with aliens on occasion, in order to gain knowledge or technology for use in its fight against Chaos. Most likely, the only reason It's likely that they're only willing to do this is because, underneath all the Imperium's xenophobia and human-supremacist ideals, they realise that they're all humans and non-humans alike are just trying to get by and hold back the tide of Chaos for another day.
18th Oct '15 5:31:34 AM sinndogg
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** New editions give this dimension to the Eldar and the Necrons. Both races use broken shards of their ancient gods to awaken avatars of destruction and unleash them on their enemies. The Eldar do this with Khaine, and the Necrons do this to the C'tan. Also, the Eldar, as they are dying out, are increasingly forced to rely on placing the souls of their dead into ponderous but resilient automatons, much like the Necrons. [[AbusivePrecursors They're also both a bit sore about losing their galaxy to a bunch of worthless, technologically inferior upstarts...]]

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** New editions give this dimension to the Eldar and the Necrons. Both races use broken shards of their ancient gods to awaken avatars of destruction and unleash them on their enemies. The Eldar do this with Khaine, and the Necrons do this to the C'tan. Also, the Eldar, as they are dying out, are increasingly forced to rely on placing the souls of their dead into ponderous but resilient automatons, much like the Necrons. [[AbusivePrecursors They're also both a bit sore about losing their galaxy to a bunch of worthless, technologically inferior upstarts...]]]]
** The Grey Knights Space Marine Chapter has been willing to forge alliances and trade with aliens on occasion, in order to gain knowledge or technology for use in its fight against Chaos. Most likely, the only reason that they're willing to do this is because, underneath all the Imperium's xenophobia and human-supremacist ideals, they realise that they're all just trying to get by and hold back the tide of Chaos for another day.
17th Aug '14 1:42:07 PM disgruntledviewer
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* New editions give this dimension to the Eldar and the Necrons. Both races use broken shards of their ancient gods to awaken avatars of destruction and unleash them on their enemies. The Eldar do this with Khaine, and the Necrons do this to the C'tan. Also, the Eldar, as they are dying out, are increasingly forced to rely on placing the souls of their dead into ponderous but resilient automatons, much like the Necrons. [[AbusivePrecursors They're also both a bit sore about losing their galaxy to a bunch of worthless, technologically inferior upstarts...]]

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* ** New editions give this dimension to the Eldar and the Necrons. Both races use broken shards of their ancient gods to awaken avatars of destruction and unleash them on their enemies. The Eldar do this with Khaine, and the Necrons do this to the C'tan. Also, the Eldar, as they are dying out, are increasingly forced to rely on placing the souls of their dead into ponderous but resilient automatons, much like the Necrons. [[AbusivePrecursors They're also both a bit sore about losing their galaxy to a bunch of worthless, technologically inferior upstarts...]]
17th Aug '14 1:41:51 PM disgruntledviewer
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** ''Literature/HorusHeresy'' also pulls this on, of all people, the Thousand Sons and Space Wolves. While the Space Wolves' militancy and disdain for written knowledge is the exact opposite of the Thousand Sons' artistic and scholarly bent, both suffer from undesired transformations (Wulfen, the Flesh Change) and both defied the Emperor's edict banning the use of psychic powers, although the Wolves believed that their Rune Priests instead channelled the power of Fenris. Ahriman even [[GoMadFromTheRevelation shatters a Rune Priest's sanity]] by demonstrating the latter to him.

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** ''Literature/HorusHeresy'' also pulls this on, of all people, the Thousand Sons and Space Wolves. While the Space Wolves' militancy and disdain for written knowledge is the exact opposite of the Thousand Sons' artistic and scholarly bent, both suffer from undesired transformations (Wulfen, the Flesh Change) and both defied the Emperor's edict banning the use of psychic powers, although the Wolves believed that their Rune Priests instead channelled the power of Fenris. Ahriman even [[GoMadFromTheRevelation shatters a Rune Priest's sanity]] by demonstrating the latter to him.him.
* New editions give this dimension to the Eldar and the Necrons. Both races use broken shards of their ancient gods to awaken avatars of destruction and unleash them on their enemies. The Eldar do this with Khaine, and the Necrons do this to the C'tan. Also, the Eldar, as they are dying out, are increasingly forced to rely on placing the souls of their dead into ponderous but resilient automatons, much like the Necrons. [[AbusivePrecursors They're also both a bit sore about losing their galaxy to a bunch of worthless, technologically inferior upstarts...]]
16th Apr '14 3:23:24 PM CountDorku
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-->''"So, the [[OurElvesAreBetter Eldar]] deserve to be hated because they are a bunch of [[CantArgueWithElves stuck-up]], [[KnightTemplar fanatical]], [[AbsoluteXenophobe xenophobic]] [[{{Jerkass}} pricks]] who [[ApocalypseHow destroy whole planets]] [[MoralEventHorizon full of innocent people]] [[IDidWhatIHadToDo whenever convenient]], [[SuperiorSpecies believe themselves superior to everyone else]], are a big part of the reason [[CrapsackWorld why the galaxy is such a shithole]], and [[MoralMyopia believe that no matter how horrible their atrocities are that they're justified]] [[BlackAndGrayMorality because everyone else is much worse]]? [[DesignatedHero Funny how that's pretty much]] [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters the Imperium]] in a nutshell."''

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-->''"So, the [[OurElvesAreBetter Eldar]] deserve to be hated because they are a bunch of [[CantArgueWithElves stuck-up]], [[KnightTemplar fanatical]], [[AbsoluteXenophobe xenophobic]] [[{{Jerkass}} pricks]] who [[ApocalypseHow destroy whole planets]] [[MoralEventHorizon full of innocent people]] [[IDidWhatIHadToDo whenever convenient]], [[SuperiorSpecies believe themselves superior to everyone else]], are a big part of the reason [[CrapsackWorld why the galaxy is such a shithole]], and [[MoralMyopia believe that no matter how horrible their atrocities are that they're justified]] [[BlackAndGrayMorality because everyone else is much worse]]? [[DesignatedHero Funny how that's pretty much]] [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters the Imperium]] in a nutshell."''"''



** And of course, Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines, as {{Evil Counterpart}}s to each other, would have to qualify. All Space Marines are enhanced into killing machines and tend to default to violence as a solution. Many Space Marines and Chaos Marines are deeply religious, yet serve a cause that could easily be considered evil. Many on both sides believe they're fighting for the good of humanity, although how they define that tends to be rather unpleasant on both sides.

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** And of course, Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines, as {{Evil Counterpart}}s to each other, would have to qualify. All Space Marines are enhanced into killing machines and tend to default to violence as a solution. Many Space Marines and Chaos Marines are deeply religious, yet serve a cause that could easily be considered evil. Many on both sides believe they're fighting for the good of humanity, although how they define that tends to be rather unpleasant on both sides.sides.
** ''Literature/HorusHeresy'' also pulls this on, of all people, the Thousand Sons and Space Wolves. While the Space Wolves' militancy and disdain for written knowledge is the exact opposite of the Thousand Sons' artistic and scholarly bent, both suffer from undesired transformations (Wulfen, the Flesh Change) and both defied the Emperor's edict banning the use of psychic powers, although the Wolves believed that their Rune Priests instead channelled the power of Fenris. Ahriman even [[GoMadFromTheRevelation shatters a Rune Priest's sanity]] by demonstrating the latter to him.
6th Apr '14 3:21:25 AM ragnarok235
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*** To a more personal degree, look up the backstory of the Imperial Guard's Knight Commander Pask, and then look up the backstory of the Tau's Longstrike. They're both grizzled tank aces who took out a [[HumongousMecha Titan]] by shooting at a weak-spot, and long ago earned the right to advance in rank but keep as lowly tank commanders by choice, and because their talents would be wasted at the command level.
3rd Apr '14 12:18:23 AM M84
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** Things get really fun when the colors mix together. The various combinations either highlight the differences between the colors or their similarities.
23rd Mar '14 3:49:43 AM ragnarok235
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*** Summed up very well in this YouTube comment:
-->''"So, the [[OurElvesAreBetter Eldar]] deserve to be hated because they are a bunch of [[CantArgueWithElves stuck-up]], [[KnightTemplar fanatical]], [[AbsoluteXenophobe xenophobic]] [[{{Jerkass}} pricks]] who [[ApocalypseHow destroy whole planets]] [[MoralEventHorizon full of innocent people]] [[IDidWhatIHadToDo whenever convenient]], [[SuperiorSpecies believe themselves superior to everyone else]], are a big part of the reason [[CrapsackWorld why the galaxy is such a shithole]], and [[MoralMyopia believe that no matter how horrible their atrocities are that they're justified]] [[BlackAndGrayMorality because everyone else is much worse]]? [[DesignatedHero Funny how that's pretty much]] [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters the Imperium]] in a nutshell."''
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