History NotSoDifferent / LiveActionTV

17th Mar '17 11:57:40 PM dbdude01
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** In one episode Rachel catches herself talking to Joey the way her father used to talk to her when she was a child.
---> '''Rachel:''' I've become my father. I spent so long trying not to become my mother I didn't see this coming.\\
22nd Feb '17 1:09:33 PM LadyJaneGrey
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*** In "Scientific Method", one of the alien scientists using the ship's crew as guinea pigs tells Janeway that they are very similar in their need to protect their people. Needless to say, Janeway disagrees. In "Nothing Human", The Doctor creates a holographic program of famous Cardassian Doctor Crell Moset (with all of his memories and skills) to save B'Elanna's life. It turns out this doctor was a horrific war criminal. Regardless, The Doctor still uses him and his knowledge to save B'Elanna' life. Later he decided to erase the program, unable to justify keeping it. Leading to this exchange:

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*** In "Scientific Method", one of the alien scientists using the ship's crew as guinea pigs tells Janeway that they are very similar in their need to protect their people. Needless to say, Janeway disagrees.
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In "Nothing Human", The Doctor creates a holographic program of famous Cardassian Doctor Crell Moset (with all of his memories and skills) to save B'Elanna's life. It turns out this doctor was a horrific war criminal. Regardless, The Doctor still uses him and his knowledge to save B'Elanna' life. Later he decided to erase the program, unable to justify keeping it. Leading to this exchange:
22nd Feb '17 1:07:56 PM LadyJaneGrey
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* In one episode of ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'', "Scientific Method", one of the alien scientists using the ship's crew as guinea pigs tells Janeway that they are very similar in their need to protect their people. Needless to say, Janeway disagrees. In "Nothing Human", The Doctor creates a holographic program of famous Cardassian Doctor Crell Moset (with all of his memories and skills) to save B'Elanna's life. It turns out this doctor was a horrific war criminal. Regardless, The Doctor still uses him and his knowledge to save B'Elanna' life. Later he decided to erase the program, unable to justify keeping it. Leading to this exchange:
--> '''Crell Moset:''' "You can erase my program Doctor, but you can never change the fact that you've already used some of my research. Where was your conscience when B'Elanna was dying on that table? Ethics, Morality, conscience; funny how they all go out the airlock when we need something. Are you and I really so different?"
--> '''The Doctor:''' "[[ShutUpHannibal Computer, delete medical consultant program and all related files]]."
** In the [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries original series]] episode "Balance of Terror", the defeated Romulan Commander says that he and Kirk "are [[WorthyOpponent of a kind]]", just before blowing himself up.
** From the same series, Kor from "Errand Of Mercy" holds the same view to Kirk. Heck, Kor even says the same thing about Starfleet, saying that underneath the ideological differences, they're not that much different from the Klingon Empire. Ironically, Ayelborne, the Organian Elder, later turns this on its head by saying that these same attributes could lead Starfleet and the Klingon Empire into being allies.

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* In one episode of ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'', "Scientific Method", one of the alien scientists using the ship's crew as guinea pigs tells Janeway that they are very similar Many examples in their need to protect their people. Needless to say, Janeway disagrees. In "Nothing Human", The Doctor creates a holographic program of famous Cardassian Doctor Crell Moset (with all of his memories and skills) to save B'Elanna's life. It turns out this doctor was a horrific war criminal. Regardless, The Doctor still uses him and his knowledge to save B'Elanna' life. Later he decided to erase the program, unable to justify keeping it. Leading to this exchange:
--> '''Crell Moset:''' "You can erase my program Doctor, but you can never change the fact that you've already used some of my research. Where was your conscience when B'Elanna was dying on that table? Ethics, Morality, conscience; funny how they all go out the airlock when we need something. Are you and I really so different?"
--> '''The Doctor:''' "[[ShutUpHannibal Computer, delete medical consultant program and all related files]]."
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** In From the [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries original series]] series]]:
*** The
episode "Balance of Terror", the defeated Romulan Commander says that he and Kirk "are [[WorthyOpponent of a kind]]", just before blowing himself up.
** From the same series, *** Kor from "Errand Of Mercy" holds the same view to Kirk. Heck, Kor even says the same thing about Starfleet, saying that underneath the ideological differences, they're not that much different from the Klingon Empire. Ironically, Ayelborne, the Organian Elder, later turns this on its head by saying that these same attributes could lead Starfleet and the Klingon Empire into being allies.



** In continuation of [[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine DS9's]] look at the Federation, one character begins to compare the federation with the borg as they (at least according to him) are both assimilating other cultures so they can grow and learn.
** Quark in ''The Siege of AR-558'' notes that when put to it humans are [[HumansAreWarriors as savage as Klingons]]. Nog replies that [[ViolenceIsTheOnlyOption under the circumstances]] that is not necessarily a bad thing. And as Quark realizes later on in the episode, after all his bluster... so are Ferengi.

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** From ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine''
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In a continuation of [[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine DS9's]] a look at the Federation, one character begins to compare the federation with the borg as they (at least according to him) are both assimilating other cultures so they can grow and learn.
** *** Quark in ''The Siege of AR-558'' notes that when put to it humans are [[HumansAreWarriors as savage as Klingons]]. Nog replies that [[ViolenceIsTheOnlyOption under the circumstances]] that is not necessarily a bad thing. And as Quark realizes later on in the episode, after all his bluster... so are Ferengi.



** Kira pulls it on the Cardassian Legate Damar towards the end of the series, comparing the Founders' sacking of Cardassia to the Cardassian occupation of Bajor.

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** From ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'',
*** In "Scientific Method", one of the alien scientists using the ship's crew as guinea pigs tells Janeway that they are very similar in their need to protect their people. Needless to say, Janeway disagrees. In "Nothing Human", The Doctor creates a holographic program of famous Cardassian Doctor Crell Moset (with all of his memories and skills) to save B'Elanna's life. It turns out this doctor was a horrific war criminal. Regardless, The Doctor still uses him and his knowledge to save B'Elanna' life. Later he decided to erase the program, unable to justify keeping it. Leading to this exchange:
--> '''Crell Moset:''' "You can erase my program Doctor, but you can never change the fact that you've already used some of my research. Where was your conscience when B'Elanna was dying on that table? Ethics, Morality, conscience; funny how they all go out the airlock when we need something. Are you and I really so different?"
--> '''The Doctor:''' "[[ShutUpHannibal Computer, delete medical consultant program and all related files]]."
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Kira pulls it on the Cardassian Legate Damar towards the end of the series, comparing the Founders' sacking of Cardassia to the Cardassian occupation of Bajor.
18th Feb '17 3:01:46 PM gb00393
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': In "Battle of the Bastards", Daenerys wants to crucify the Masters of Slavers Bay and burn their cities to the ground in retaliation for their attacking Meereen. Hoping to avoid seeing Dany play out this trope and become more like her father the Mad King Aerys, Tyrion tells her how King Aerys planned to destroy King's Landing with wildfire to put down a rebellion, thus killing those loyal to him as well as the traitors.

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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': ''Series/GameOfThrones'':
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In "Battle of the Bastards", Daenerys wants to crucify the Masters of Slavers Bay and burn their cities to the ground in retaliation for their attacking Meereen. Hoping to avoid seeing Dany play out this trope and become more like her father the Mad King Aerys, Tyrion tells her how King Aerys planned to destroy King's Landing with wildfire to put down a rebellion, thus killing those loyal to him as well as the traitors.


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** Tyrion muses that the difference between the people of the Seven Kingdoms and the wildlings is that when the Wall was built, their ancestors just happened to be on the right side.
** Ned insists in "The Wolf and the Lion" that assassinating Daenerys will make them no better than the Mad King they overthrew.
** Maester Luwin asks Theon if he should really be mocking Osha for her situation in Winterfell, because "a prisoner and a guest" describes his situation almost exactly.
** Maester Aemon reveals to Jon Snow that he knows all about the pain and devastation Jon is feeling of being torn between duty and love for family as Jon is deeply worried over his father and sisters after hearing of his father's arrest in King's Landing and wants to help them by joining his brother Robb to get them back. Master Aemon, even as a blind old man, was chafed at remaining on the Wall while his entire family, even the little children, were overthrown and slaughtered. Bonus points for identifying with Jon despite Jon being the bastard son of Ned Stark, who helped overthrow the dynasty (but was adamantly against the killing of the children.)
** Tywin telling a disguised Arya how much she reminds him of his daughter. Surely Arya was thrilled.
** The Hound claims that Bronn is a BloodKnight much like himself. The jury's still out on how much either of them actually qualifies.
** Tyrion remarks that Robb Stark has a "certain belligerence" and thinks his father would like him. As a young man, Tywin himself raised an army and successfully led it against the enemies of his house.
** Tyrion's final words to the father he has just fatally wounded: "I am your son. I have always been your son."
21st Jan '17 6:49:48 AM ACW
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** KamenRiderWizard: Gremlin/Sora claims this of Haurato and himself. Both were victims of the Sabbat who somehow retained their humanity. Turns out to not be the case. Haurato had the willpower to never give into despair, which required for a Phantom to appear. Sora on the other hand... [[CompleteMonster never had a humanity to give up.]]

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** KamenRiderWizard: Gremlin/Sora claims this of Haurato and himself. Both were victims of the Sabbat who somehow retained their humanity. Turns out to not be the case. Haurato had the willpower to never give into despair, which required for a Phantom to appear. Sora on the other hand... [[CompleteMonster never had a humanity to give up.]]
17th Jan '17 6:08:08 AM hszmv1
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* ''Series/SaturdayNightLive'': [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7VaXlMvAvk The October 23rd 2016 skit]] of ''Black {{Series/Jeopardy}}'' has two [[SassyBlackWoman Sassy Black Women]] against a DeepSouth Trump voter. Unlike past editions of Black Jeopardy, the one white contestant proves to be rather good at the game, as his redneck sensibilities turn out to line up with the sisters' urban values. [[spoiler:Until they get to a Black Lives Matter question.]]

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* ''Series/SaturdayNightLive'': [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7VaXlMvAvk The October 23rd 2016 skit]] of ''Black {{Series/Jeopardy}}'' has two [[SassyBlackWoman Sassy Black Women]] against a DeepSouth Trump voter. Unlike past editions of Black Jeopardy, the one white contestant proves to be rather good at the game, as his redneck sensibilities turn out to line up with the sisters' urban values. [[spoiler:Until they get to a Black Lives Matter question.]]
* A recurring element of KamenRider is that the hero is typically empowered by the same method as the villains of the season. How much this factors into the narrative from season to season.
** KamenRiderWizard: Gremlin/Sora claims this of Haurato and himself. Both were victims of the Sabbat who somehow retained their humanity. Turns out to not be the case. Haurato had the willpower to never give into despair, which required for a Phantom to appear. Sora on the other hand... [[CompleteMonster never had a humanity to give up.
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10th Jan '17 6:52:54 PM Tuckerscreator
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* In the ''Series/LegendsOfTomorrow'' episode [[Recap/LegendsOfTomorrowS2E6OutlawCountry "Outlaw Country"]], there's [[Comicbook/BlackCanary Sara]] and Comicbook/JonahHex. While there's a lot of friction between the two at first, mostly due to Hex's [[DeliberateValuesDissonance sexism]], the two eventually find common ground due to their similar personalties, including both being driven by a personal revenge and ultimately [[spoiler: both having chosen to spare the one responsible for their tragedies]], bringing the two mutual friendship and respect.

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* In the ''Series/LegendsOfTomorrow'' episode [[Recap/LegendsOfTomorrowS2E6OutlawCountry "Outlaw Country"]], there's [[Comicbook/BlackCanary Sara]] and Comicbook/JonahHex. While there's a lot of friction between the two at first, mostly due to Hex's [[DeliberateValuesDissonance sexism]], the two eventually find common ground due to their similar personalties, including both being driven by a personal revenge and ultimately [[spoiler: both having chosen to spare the one responsible for their tragedies]], bringing the two mutual friendship and respect.respect.
* ''Series/SaturdayNightLive'': [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7VaXlMvAvk The October 23rd 2016 skit]] of ''Black {{Series/Jeopardy}}'' has two [[SassyBlackWoman Sassy Black Women]] against a DeepSouth Trump voter. Unlike past editions of Black Jeopardy, the one white contestant proves to be rather good at the game, as his redneck sensibilities turn out to line up with the sisters' urban values. [[spoiler:Until they get to a Black Lives Matter question.]]
8th Jan '17 5:01:51 PM nombretomado
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* ''Series/{{Friends}}'': While enjoying their new recliners, Chandler and Joey watch ''WesternAnimation/BeavisAndButthead''; most of the scene involves the boys laughing just like the duo on TV.

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* ''Series/{{Friends}}'': ''Series/{{Friends}}'':
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While enjoying their new recliners, Chandler and Joey watch ''WesternAnimation/BeavisAndButthead''; most of the scene involves the boys laughing just like the duo on TV.



** Clark has a moment of this with the VandalSavage {{Expy}} Dr. Curtis Knox. Also an ActorAllusion because Knox is played by [[Series/LoisAndClark Dean Cain]].

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** Clark has a moment of this with the VandalSavage ComicBook/VandalSavage {{Expy}} Dr. Curtis Knox. Also an ActorAllusion because Knox is played by [[Series/LoisAndClark Dean Cain]].
1st Jan '17 6:30:45 AM Morgenthaler
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* Dr. Foreman and Dr. Series/{{House}} -- Foreman eventually quits House's team to save himself from becoming like House, unaware that he already is like him and always has been. In season 4, he proves once and for all that it is irrevocable:

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* ''Series/{{House}}'':
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Dr. Foreman and Dr. Series/{{House}} House -- Foreman eventually quits House's team to save himself from becoming like House, unaware that he already is like him and always has been. In season 4, he proves once and for all that it is irrevocable:
1st Jan '17 6:30:24 AM Morgenthaler
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* In ''AmericanGothic'', one hero (TheChosenOne, of sorts) has to tell another (his SpiritAdvisor) that she is NotSoDifferent: in "The Plague Sower", [[WellIntentionedExtremist having gone too far in her desire for vengeance and justice]], Merlyn uses her [[LightIsNotGood angelic powers]] to curse Trinity with an almost Biblical plague, only relenting when she is made to see how her either-or mentality and harsh, murderous methods make her no better than Buck.

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* In ''AmericanGothic'', ''Series/AmericanGothic1995'', one hero (TheChosenOne, of sorts) has to tell another (his SpiritAdvisor) that she is NotSoDifferent: in "The Plague Sower", [[WellIntentionedExtremist having gone too far in her desire for vengeance and justice]], Merlyn uses her [[LightIsNotGood angelic powers]] to curse Trinity with an almost Biblical plague, only relenting when she is made to see how her either-or mentality and harsh, murderous methods make her no better than Buck.
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