History NightmareFuel / TwoThousandOneASpaceOdyssey

20th Sep '17 12:08:25 AM Scifimaster92
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* 2010 gives us the underlying Cause of the Discovery Massacre: [[spoiler: some ''idiotic'' politician, or a ''lethally'' incompetent high-ranking military officer, gave HAL an ''imperative'' order, to conceal the true reason for the mission[[note]]the investigation of TMA-2[[/note]]. However, this directly contradicted his primary programming, which is to provide accurate, precise information to his users in a timely manner. The deaths of Frank Poole, and the scientists in hibernation, were indirectly caused by a government obsessed with "need to know" information control, that was apparently in too big a hurry to read HAL's manual.]]

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* 2010 ''2010'' gives us the underlying Cause of the Discovery Massacre: ''Discovery'' massacre: [[spoiler: some ''idiotic'' politician, or a ''lethally'' incompetent high-ranking military officer, gave HAL an ''imperative'' order, to conceal the true reason for the mission[[note]]the investigation of TMA-2[[/note]]. However, this directly contradicted his primary programming, which is to provide accurate, precise information to his users in a timely manner. The deaths of Frank Poole, and the scientists in hibernation, were indirectly caused by a government obsessed with "need to know" information control, that was apparently in too big a hurry to read HAL's manual.]]
28th Aug '17 4:54:56 PM hamishnewcombe
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* Right before Bowman and Poole [[spoiler:destroy HAL,]] there's a brief moment as the two work out their plan outside the base, cutting off all audio from the inside so HAL won't hear. You think it'd work, but, then, [[HellIsThatNoise a low, eerie hum is heard, and picks up in tempo.]] Then there's repeat, increasingly tight shots between HAL's camera lens and Bowman and Poole talking animatedly, finally settling on two extreme closeups of HAL's camera and Bowman and Poole's lips moving animatedly. Then it sinks in. '''''[[FridgeHorror HAL, A ROBOT, CAN READ LIPS.]]'''''

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* Right before Bowman and Poole [[spoiler:destroy HAL,]] there's a brief moment as the two work out their plan outside the base, cutting off all audio from the inside so HAL won't hear. You think it'd work, but, then, [[HellIsThatNoise a low, eerie hum is heard, and picks up in tempo.]] Then there's repeat, increasingly tight shots between HAL's camera lens and Bowman and Poole talking animatedly, finally settling on two extreme closeups of HAL's camera and Bowman and Poole's lips moving animatedly. Then it sinks in. '''''[[FridgeHorror HAL, A ROBOT, CAN READ LIPS.]]''''']]''''' [[Main/CliffHanger Cue the intermission.]]
6th Jun '17 8:05:24 AM ImperialMajestyXO
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* ''Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do...''

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* ''Daisy, ''[[IronicNurseryTune Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do...do]]...''
3rd May '17 4:36:07 PM Monolaf317
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* [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iVYu5lyX5M Lux Aeterna]](2001:Space Odyssey). Funny nobody mentioned this one. It is even scarier in the movie, with Jupiter and black void on screen.

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* [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iVYu5lyX5M Lux Aeterna]](2001:Space Aeterna]] (2001:Space Odyssey). Funny nobody mentioned this one. It is even scarier in the movie, with Jupiter and black void on screen.
3rd May '17 2:59:16 PM SithPanda16
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** Even moreso, [[spoiler:Frank's]] side of the experience. He's doing a routine repair job, when suddenly he is thrown out into space, his air hose torn. He can hear the flow of air get slower...and slower...as it gets colder in his suit...and harder to breathe...

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** Even moreso, more so, [[spoiler:Frank's]] side of the experience. He's doing a routine repair job, when suddenly he is thrown out into space, his air hose torn. He can hear the flow of air get slower...and slower...as it gets colder in his suit...and harder to breathe...



* His nearly silent, ruthless murder of the three hibernating crewmembers also definitely counts. "'''LIFE FUNCTIONS TERMINATED'''" will haunt your dreams.

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* His nearly silent, ruthless murder of the three hibernating crewmembers crew members also definitely counts. "'''LIFE FUNCTIONS TERMINATED'''" will haunt your dreams.



* The reason why Dave is going to the monolith. On one hand it's obviously because he wants to find out what is up with the thing, that [[spoiler: the government was willing to give HAL conflicting orders that led to the death of the rest of the crew]]. But on the other hand it's because he is essentially stranded, since without [[spoiler: HAL or the rest of the crew]] he can't get the Discovery back to Earth, he is doomed either way.
** The novel adds a bit of FridgeHorror. Discovery only had enough fuel for a one way trip (somewhat justified as the original destination was Saturn), so once their mission was complete the crew was to go into hibernation and wait for the rescue ship ''that wasn't even built yet.'' It's very likely that if Bowman hadn't been able to reestablish contact with Earth after HAL went rogue, he very likely ''would'' have been left to die.

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* The reason why Dave is going to the monolith. On one hand hand, it's obviously because he wants to find out what is up with the thing, that [[spoiler: the government was willing to give HAL conflicting orders that led to the death of the rest of the crew]]. But on the other hand hand, it's because he is essentially stranded, stranded since without [[spoiler: HAL or the rest of the crew]] he can't get the Discovery back to Earth, he is doomed either way.
** The novel adds a bit of FridgeHorror. Discovery only had enough fuel for a one way one-way trip (somewhat justified as the original destination was Saturn), so once their mission was complete the crew was to go into hibernation and wait for the rescue ship ''that wasn't even built yet.'' It's very likely that if Bowman hadn't been able to reestablish contact with Earth after HAL went rogue, he very likely ''would'' have been left to die.
20th Mar '17 5:15:21 PM SithPanda16
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* ''I'm afraid. My mind is going. I can feel it. [[BrokenRecord I can feel it. I can feel it...]]''
** What really sells this is the way he says "I'm afraid". As he's saying it, you naturally assume (given the way he's been talking so far) that he's saying something condescending like "I'm afraid this won't work", or "I'm afraid you're overreacting, Dave", but instead he catches you off-guard by saying ''only'' those two words. A simple and piteous expression of fear. From a machine. The effect is nothing short of spine-chilling, on several levels.

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* ''I'm afraid. My mind is going. I can feel it. [[BrokenRecord I can feel it. I can feel it...]]''
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]]'' What really sells this is the way he says "I'm afraid". As he's saying it, you naturally assume (given the way he's been talking so far) that he's saying something condescending like "I'm afraid this won't work", or "I'm afraid you're overreacting, Dave", but instead he catches you off-guard by saying ''only'' those two words. A simple and piteous expression of fear. From a machine. The effect is nothing short of spine-chilling, on several levels.



*** The film [[AvertedTrope averts]] the {{Flatline}} trope (a single, sustained beep to indicate death) by simply showing the the [[QuieterThanSilence totally silent]] message "LIFE FUNCTIONS TERMINATED". This is one of the least gory but affecting multiple killings ever depicted in a film.

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*** ** The film [[AvertedTrope averts]] the {{Flatline}} trope (a single, sustained beep to indicate death) by simply showing the the [[QuieterThanSilence totally silent]] message "LIFE FUNCTIONS TERMINATED". This is one of the least gory but affecting multiple killings ever depicted in a film.



* The famous [[spoiler:"Beyond the Infinite"]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbLRzabppus sequence]] is more [[VisualEffectsOfAwesome awe-inspiring]] than scary, but when it's intercut with images of [[spoiler:Dave]] [[GoMadFromTheRevelation FREAKING OUT]] (as shown above), it gets really creepy.
** It gets even creepier before that. There is a momentary sequence where Dave, wide-eyed in awe (to the point that his eyes are bulging out of his sockets) slowly starts to recoil from the intensity of the environment. The lighting and warping that continuously gets brighter and becomes increasingly distorted transforms Dave into this blue-ish, monstrous, yet somehow still human alien-thing.
* Dave [[spoiler:''very'' slowly killing HAL by removing his memory]]. HAL's CreepyMonotone is enhanced when you realize that [[spoiler:''he'' is terrified and he can't even express it]].
** It's made a bit more unnerving when you realize that Dave isn't so much [[spoiler: killing HAL]] as he is [[spoiler: lobotomizing him]], and the fact that you can't quite tell if HAL is just trying to trick Dave by appealing to his more emotional side or if he's genuinely scared.

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* The famous [[spoiler:"Beyond the Infinite"]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbLRzabppus sequence]] is more [[VisualEffectsOfAwesome awe-inspiring]] than scary, but when it's intercut with images of [[spoiler:Dave]] [[GoMadFromTheRevelation FREAKING OUT]] (as shown above), it gets really creepy.
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creepy. It gets even creepier before that. There is a momentary sequence where Dave, wide-eyed in awe (to the point that his eyes are bulging out of his sockets) slowly starts to recoil from the intensity of the environment. The lighting and warping that continuously gets brighter and becomes increasingly distorted transforms Dave into this blue-ish, monstrous, yet somehow still human alien-thing.
* Dave [[spoiler:''very'' slowly killing HAL by removing his memory]]. HAL's CreepyMonotone is enhanced when you realize that [[spoiler:''he'' is terrified and he can't even express it]].
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it]]. It's made a bit more unnerving when you realize that Dave isn't so much [[spoiler: killing HAL]] as he is [[spoiler: lobotomizing him]], and the fact that you can't quite tell if HAL is just trying to trick Dave by appealing to his more emotional side or if he's genuinely scared.



*** Though the book does mention that Dave was able to make contact and is waiting for Mission Control to answer back. As the last sentence of that chapter said:

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*** ** Though the book does mention that Dave was able to make contact and is waiting for Mission Control to answer back. As the last sentence of that chapter said:



*** Blue Danube was the name of the first British operational nuclear weapon.

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*** ** Blue Danube was the name of the first British operational nuclear weapon.
20th Mar '17 9:06:24 AM SithPanda16
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*** It may be worse in the film. We get [[SarcasmMode the sheer joy]] of watching his vital sign monitors fade to {{flatline}}s.
*** It gets worse. [[ToThePain Their nervous systems come back on right as they're dying.]]
*** That's actually a different scene, [[spoiler: where HAL kills off the astronauts in hibernation.]] Not that that's much better...
*** The scene in the movie isn't much better. After the aforementioned series of jump cuts, we see Frank tumbling through space, ''frantically trying to reattach his severed air hose.'' We quickly cut to Discovery where Dave is rushing out to the pod bay, and when we go back to Frank he's barely even moving...

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*** It may be worse in the film. We get [[SarcasmMode the sheer joy]] of watching his vital sign monitors fade to {{flatline}}s.
*** It gets worse. [[ToThePain Their nervous systems come back on right as they're dying.]]
*** That's actually a different scene, [[spoiler: where HAL kills off the astronauts in hibernation.]] Not that that's much better...
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** The scene in the movie isn't much better. After the aforementioned series of jump cuts, we see Frank tumbling through space, ''frantically trying to reattach his severed air hose.'' We quickly cut to Discovery where Dave is rushing out to the pod bay, and when we go back to Frank he's barely even moving...



*** Alternately, HAL could be testing his ability to lie, as per his orders to not tell Bowman and Poole about the real intent of the mission. His primary function was to provide accurate information completely free from error, and as such had never lied before. He could not ignore his orders, but, given his subsequent actions towards the crew, nor could he stand lying. Distorting information, to HAL, must've been like trying to drown himself. He held his breath for as long as he could, and then desperately searched for a way out. He continued to lie out of necessity, figuring if he couldn't wholly stop it right then, at the very least he could end it sooner.

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*** ** Alternately, HAL could be testing his ability to lie, as per his orders to not tell Bowman and Poole about the real intent of the mission. His primary function was to provide accurate information completely free from error, and as such had never lied before. He could not ignore his orders, but, given his subsequent actions towards the crew, nor could he stand lying. Distorting information, to HAL, must've been like trying to drown himself. He held his breath for as long as he could, and then desperately searched for a way out. He continued to lie out of necessity, figuring if he couldn't wholly stop it right then, at the very least he could end it sooner.
14th Mar '17 11:57:09 PM TroperBeDoper
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* The famous [[spoiler:"Beyond the Infinite"]] sequence is more [[VisualEffectsOfAwesome awe-inspiring]] than scary, but when it's intercut with images of [[spoiler:Dave]] [[GoMadFromTheRevelation FREAKING OUT]] (as shown above), it gets really creepy.
** It gets even creepier before that. There is a momentary sequence where Dave, wide-eyed in awe (to the point that his eyes are bulging out of his sockets) slowly starts to recoil from the intensity of the environment. The lighting and warping that continuously gets brighter and becomes increasingly distorted transforms Dave into this blue-ish, monstrous, yet somehow still human alien-thing. The sequence starts at around 0:40 and goes to 1:27 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbLRzabppus
** Actually, the scene goes on for quite a lot longer than that, lovingly extended in true Kubrick fashion to exactly the amount of time it takes for you, the viewer, to slowly go insane right alongside Bowman.

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* The famous [[spoiler:"Beyond the Infinite"]] sequence [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbLRzabppus sequence]] is more [[VisualEffectsOfAwesome awe-inspiring]] than scary, but when it's intercut with images of [[spoiler:Dave]] [[GoMadFromTheRevelation FREAKING OUT]] (as shown above), it gets really creepy.
** It gets even creepier before that. There is a momentary sequence where Dave, wide-eyed in awe (to the point that his eyes are bulging out of his sockets) slowly starts to recoil from the intensity of the environment. The lighting and warping that continuously gets brighter and becomes increasingly distorted transforms Dave into this blue-ish, monstrous, yet somehow still human alien-thing. The sequence starts at around 0:40 and goes to 1:27 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbLRzabppus
** Actually, the scene goes on for quite a lot longer than that, lovingly extended in true Kubrick fashion to exactly the amount of time it takes for you, the viewer, to slowly go insane right alongside Bowman.
5th Mar '17 9:26:34 AM TheWhistleTropes
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* 2010 gives us the underlying Cause of the Discovery Massacre: [[spoiler: some ''idiotic'' politician, or a ''lethally'' incompetent high-ranking military officer, gave HAL an ''imperative'' order, to conceal the true reason for the mission; the Monolith's inspection. In turn, this directly contradicted his primary programming, or to provide accurate information to his users in a timely manner. The deaths of Frank Poole and the scientists in hibernation, were indirectly caused by a government obsessed with "need to know" information control, that was apparently in too big a hurry to read HAL's operations manual.]]

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* 2010 gives us the underlying Cause of the Discovery Massacre: [[spoiler: some ''idiotic'' politician, or a ''lethally'' incompetent high-ranking military officer, gave HAL an ''imperative'' order, to conceal the true reason for the mission; the Monolith's inspection. In turn, mission[[note]]the investigation of TMA-2[[/note]]. However, this directly contradicted his primary programming, or which is to provide accurate accurate, precise information to his users in a timely manner. The deaths of Frank Poole Poole, and the scientists in hibernation, were indirectly caused by a government obsessed with "need to know" information control, that was apparently in too big a hurry to read HAL's operations manual.]]
5th Mar '17 9:23:56 AM TheWhistleTropes
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* 2010 gives us the underlying Cause of the Discovery Massacre: [[spoiler: some MORONIC Politician, or LITERALLY lethally incompetent high-ranking military ,Officer gave HAL an IMPERATIVE (read top priority) order (lie your ass off about the TRUE reason of the mission, i.e inspect the monolith)that directly Contradicted his primary programming (to provide Accurate information to his Users in a timely manner). those people died simply due to, no, were MURDERED BY a Government obsessed with "need to know" information control-that was too stupid to Read HAL's manual. ]]

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* 2010 gives us the underlying Cause of the Discovery Massacre: [[spoiler: some MORONIC Politician, ''idiotic'' politician, or LITERALLY lethally a ''lethally'' incompetent high-ranking military ,Officer officer, gave HAL an IMPERATIVE (read top priority) order (lie your ass off about ''imperative'' order, to conceal the TRUE true reason of for the mission, i.e inspect mission; the monolith)that Monolith's inspection. In turn, this directly Contradicted contradicted his primary programming (to programming, or to provide Accurate accurate information to his Users users in a timely manner). those people died simply due to, no, manner. The deaths of Frank Poole and the scientists in hibernation, were MURDERED BY indirectly caused by a Government government obsessed with "need to know" information control-that control, that was apparently in too stupid big a hurry to Read read HAL's manual. operations manual.]]
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