History NightmareFuel / ShinMegamiTensei

22nd Jan '17 3:02:43 AM LucaEarlgrey
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* [[BothOrderAndChaosAreDangerous Both the Law and Chaos sides]] [[GrayAndGreyMorality have pretty shady ways of changing the world]], especially for humanity. Law's goals are often either iron-fist theocratic dictatorship or brainwashing everyone into submission; see the above YHVH example for what happens when The Almighty directly gets involved. Chaos's goals range from MightMakesRight anarchy to [[MindRape purging out any and all civilized thought from humanity]]. While the Neutral paths of many games [[GoldenMeanFallacy aren't much better]] since they just regress back into the [[ViciousCycle never-ending]] [[ForeverWar war]] between Law and Chaos as the introduction of ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiII'' sadly illustrates, they're popular choices for many players simply because Neutral is often presented as a reasonable balance and its endings are generally considered [[ALighterShadeOfBlack less immediately-terrifying than those of the Law and Chaos factions]]. [[spoiler:The White]] from ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIV'' introduce a [[TakeAThirdOption fourth option]] that may or may not be better than any of those three: [[spoiler:Because [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy they just don't care anymore]], they come up with the idea of using a black hole generator to return the entire universe to nothing, which they believe is the only way to end the eternal, bitter struggle once and for all.]] And then there's the Divine Powers' ''fifth'' option in ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApocalypse'', which consists of harvesting human souls ''en masse'' whether humanity wants it or not to create a new universe free of YHVH's rule, which most of the humans in Tokyo agree isn't much better than what Lucifer and Merkabah are doing. And then if you reject the Law and Chaos paths, it turns out that [[spoiler:both Merkabah ''and'' Lucifer are servants of YHVH whose jobs are to uphold a massive farce disguised as a genuine OrderVersusChaos conflict just to make the Almighty look better.]]

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* [[BothOrderAndChaosAreDangerous Both the Law and Chaos sides]] [[GrayAndGreyMorality have pretty shady ways of changing the world]], especially for humanity. Law's goals are often either iron-fist theocratic dictatorship or brainwashing everyone into submission; see the above YHVH example for what happens when The Almighty directly gets involved. Chaos's goals range from MightMakesRight anarchy to [[MindRape purging out any and all civilized thought from humanity]]. While the Neutral paths of many games [[GoldenMeanFallacy aren't much better]] since they just regress back into the [[ViciousCycle never-ending]] [[ForeverWar war]] between Law and Chaos as the introduction of ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiII'' sadly illustrates, they're popular choices for many players simply because Neutral is often presented as a reasonable balance and its endings are generally considered [[ALighterShadeOfBlack less immediately-terrifying than those of the Law and Chaos factions]]. [[spoiler:The White]] from ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIV'' introduce a [[TakeAThirdOption fourth option]] that may or may not be better than any of those three: [[spoiler:Because [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy they just don't care anymore]], they come up with the idea of using a black hole generator to return the entire universe to nothing, which they believe is the only way to end the eternal, bitter struggle once and for all.]] And then there's the Divine Powers' ''fifth'' option in ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApocalypse'', which consists of harvesting human souls ''en masse'' whether humanity wants it or not to create a new universe free of YHVH's rule, which most of the humans in Tokyo agree isn't much better than what Lucifer and Merkabah are doing. And then if you reject the Law and Chaos paths, it turns out that [[spoiler:both Merkabah ''and'' Lucifer are servants creations of YHVH whose jobs are to uphold a massive farce disguised as a genuine OrderVersusChaos conflict just to make the Almighty look better.]]
15th Jan '17 12:34:18 PM LucaEarlgrey
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* [[BothOrderAndChaosAreDangerous Both the Law and Chaos sides]] [[GrayAndGreyMorality have pretty shady ways of changing the world]], especially for humanity. Law's goals are often either iron-fist theocratic dictatorship or brainwashing everyone into submission; see the above YHVH example for what happens when The Almighty directly gets involved. Chaos's goals range from MightMakesRight anarchy to [[MindRape purging out any and all civilized thought from humanity]]. While the Neutral paths of many games [[GoldenMeanFallacy aren't much better]] since they just regress back into the [[ViciousCycle never-ending]] [[ForeverWar war]] between Law and Chaos as the introduction of ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiII'' sadly illustrates, they're popular choices for many players simply because Neutral is often presented as a reasonable balance and its endings are generally considered [[ALighterShadeOfBlack less immediately-terrifying than those of the Law and Chaos factions]]. [[spoiler:The White]] from ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIV'' introduce a [[TakeAThirdOption fourth option]] that may or may not be better than any of those three: [[spoiler:Because [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy they just don't care anymore]], they come up with the idea of using a black hole generator to return the entire universe to nothing, which they believe is the only way to end the eternal, bitter struggle once and for all.]] And then there's the Divine Powers' ''fifth'' option in ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApocalypse'', which consists of harvesting human souls ''en masse'' whether humanity wants it or not, which most of the humans in Tokyo agree isn't much better than what Lucifer and Merkabah are doing. And then if you reject the Law and Chaos paths, it turns out that [[spoiler:both Merkabah ''and'' Lucifer are servants of YHVH whose jobs are to uphold a massive farce disguised as a genuine OrderVersusChaos conflict just to make the Almighty look better.]]

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* [[BothOrderAndChaosAreDangerous Both the Law and Chaos sides]] [[GrayAndGreyMorality have pretty shady ways of changing the world]], especially for humanity. Law's goals are often either iron-fist theocratic dictatorship or brainwashing everyone into submission; see the above YHVH example for what happens when The Almighty directly gets involved. Chaos's goals range from MightMakesRight anarchy to [[MindRape purging out any and all civilized thought from humanity]]. While the Neutral paths of many games [[GoldenMeanFallacy aren't much better]] since they just regress back into the [[ViciousCycle never-ending]] [[ForeverWar war]] between Law and Chaos as the introduction of ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiII'' sadly illustrates, they're popular choices for many players simply because Neutral is often presented as a reasonable balance and its endings are generally considered [[ALighterShadeOfBlack less immediately-terrifying than those of the Law and Chaos factions]]. [[spoiler:The White]] from ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIV'' introduce a [[TakeAThirdOption fourth option]] that may or may not be better than any of those three: [[spoiler:Because [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy they just don't care anymore]], they come up with the idea of using a black hole generator to return the entire universe to nothing, which they believe is the only way to end the eternal, bitter struggle once and for all.]] And then there's the Divine Powers' ''fifth'' option in ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApocalypse'', which consists of harvesting human souls ''en masse'' whether humanity wants it or not, not to create a new universe free of YHVH's rule, which most of the humans in Tokyo agree isn't much better than what Lucifer and Merkabah are doing. And then if you reject the Law and Chaos paths, it turns out that [[spoiler:both Merkabah ''and'' Lucifer are servants of YHVH whose jobs are to uphold a massive farce disguised as a genuine OrderVersusChaos conflict just to make the Almighty look better.]]
15th Jan '17 12:33:35 PM LucaEarlgrey
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* [[BothOrderAndChaosAreDangerous Both the Law and Chaos sides]] [[GrayAndGreyMorality have pretty shady ways of changing the world]], especially for humanity. Law's goals are often either iron-fist theocratic dictatorship or brainwashing everyone into submission; see the above YHVH example for what happens when The Almighty directly gets involved. Chaos's goals range from MightMakesRight anarchy to [[MindRape purging out any and all civilized thought from humanity]]. While the Neutral paths of many games [[GoldenMeanFallacy aren't much better]] since they just regress back into the [[ViciousCycle never-ending]] [[ForeverWar war]] between Law and Chaos as the introduction of ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiII'' sadly illustrates, they're popular choices for many players simply because Neutral is often presented as a reasonable balance and its endings are generally considered [[ALighterShadeOfBlack less immediately-terrifying than those of the Law and Chaos factions]]. [[spoiler:The White]] from ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIV'' introduce a [[TakeAThirdOption fourth option]] that may or may not be better than any of those three: [[spoiler:Because [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy they just don't care anymore]], they come up with the idea of using a black hole generator to return the entire universe to nothing, which they believe is the only way to end the eternal, bitter struggle once and for all.]]

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* [[BothOrderAndChaosAreDangerous Both the Law and Chaos sides]] [[GrayAndGreyMorality have pretty shady ways of changing the world]], especially for humanity. Law's goals are often either iron-fist theocratic dictatorship or brainwashing everyone into submission; see the above YHVH example for what happens when The Almighty directly gets involved. Chaos's goals range from MightMakesRight anarchy to [[MindRape purging out any and all civilized thought from humanity]]. While the Neutral paths of many games [[GoldenMeanFallacy aren't much better]] since they just regress back into the [[ViciousCycle never-ending]] [[ForeverWar war]] between Law and Chaos as the introduction of ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiII'' sadly illustrates, they're popular choices for many players simply because Neutral is often presented as a reasonable balance and its endings are generally considered [[ALighterShadeOfBlack less immediately-terrifying than those of the Law and Chaos factions]]. [[spoiler:The White]] from ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIV'' introduce a [[TakeAThirdOption fourth option]] that may or may not be better than any of those three: [[spoiler:Because [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy they just don't care anymore]], they come up with the idea of using a black hole generator to return the entire universe to nothing, which they believe is the only way to end the eternal, bitter struggle once and for all.]] And then there's the Divine Powers' ''fifth'' option in ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApocalypse'', which consists of harvesting human souls ''en masse'' whether humanity wants it or not, which most of the humans in Tokyo agree isn't much better than what Lucifer and Merkabah are doing. And then if you reject the Law and Chaos paths, it turns out that [[spoiler:both Merkabah ''and'' Lucifer are servants of YHVH whose jobs are to uphold a massive farce disguised as a genuine OrderVersusChaos conflict just to make the Almighty look better.]]
29th Dec '16 9:52:00 AM matteste
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** Dagda in ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApocalypse'' knows a way to kill YHVH, ''permanently'', but the solution is not pretty. [[spoiler:It involves killing everyone who believes in Him.]]
13th Dec '16 3:51:17 AM LucaEarlgrey
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** Dagda in ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApocalypse'' knows a way to kill YHVH, ''permanently'', but the solution is not pretty. [[spoiler:It involves killing everyone who believes in Him.]]
6th Dec '16 8:27:26 PM Materioptikon
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* NightmareFuel/{{Shin Megami Tensei IV Apocalypse}}
27th Oct '16 12:40:06 AM TaylorHyuuga
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* NightmareFuel/{{Catherine}}
15th Oct '16 5:17:20 AM LucaEarlgrey
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* [[GreyAndGreyMorality Both the Law and Chaos sides have pretty shady ways of changing the world]], especially for humanity. Law's goals are often either iron-fist theocratic dictatorship or brainwashing everyone into submission; see the above YHVH example for what happens when The Almighty directly gets involved. Chaos's goals range from MightMakesRight anarchy to [[MindRape purging out any and all civilized thought from humanity]]. While the Neutral paths of many games [[GoldenMeanFallacy aren't much better]] since they just regress back into the [[ViciousCycle never-ending]] [[ForeverWar war]] between Law and Chaos as the introduction of ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiII'' sadly illustrates, they're popular choices for many players simply because Neutral is often presented as a reasonable balance and its endings are generally considered [[ALighterShadeOfBlack less immediately-terrifying than those of the Law and Chaos factions]]. [[spoiler:The White]] from ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIV'' introduce a [[TakeAThirdOption fourth option]] that may or may not be better than any of those three: [[spoiler:Because [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy they just don't care anymore]], they come up with the idea of using a black hole generator to return the entire universe to nothing, which they believe is the only way to end the eternal, bitter struggle once and for all.]]

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* [[GreyAndGreyMorality [[BothOrderAndChaosAreDangerous Both the Law and Chaos sides sides]] [[GrayAndGreyMorality have pretty shady ways of changing the world]], especially for humanity. Law's goals are often either iron-fist theocratic dictatorship or brainwashing everyone into submission; see the above YHVH example for what happens when The Almighty directly gets involved. Chaos's goals range from MightMakesRight anarchy to [[MindRape purging out any and all civilized thought from humanity]]. While the Neutral paths of many games [[GoldenMeanFallacy aren't much better]] since they just regress back into the [[ViciousCycle never-ending]] [[ForeverWar war]] between Law and Chaos as the introduction of ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiII'' sadly illustrates, they're popular choices for many players simply because Neutral is often presented as a reasonable balance and its endings are generally considered [[ALighterShadeOfBlack less immediately-terrifying than those of the Law and Chaos factions]]. [[spoiler:The White]] from ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIV'' introduce a [[TakeAThirdOption fourth option]] that may or may not be better than any of those three: [[spoiler:Because [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy they just don't care anymore]], they come up with the idea of using a black hole generator to return the entire universe to nothing, which they believe is the only way to end the eternal, bitter struggle once and for all.]]
19th Sep '16 4:04:24 AM Ominae
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* NightmareFuel/{{Persona 5}}
** NightmareFuel/Persona4DancingAllNight
** NightmareFuel/PersonaQShadowOfTheLabyrinth
16th Jul '16 12:22:12 PM nombretomado
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* While all of these vague references to other games is really cool, it has a horrifying implication that all of these games take place in a loosely-connected multiverse where ''[[CrapsackWorld any of these apocalyptic scenarios are possible]]''. Even {{Catherine}} has an obscure reference to earlier SMT games, so while it lacks any apocalyptic themes, it still has [[spoiler: particularly evil and meddlesome]] examples of AllMythsAreTrue.

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* While all of these vague references to other games is really cool, it has a horrifying implication that all of these games take place in a loosely-connected multiverse where ''[[CrapsackWorld any of these apocalyptic scenarios are possible]]''. Even {{Catherine}} ''VideoGame/{{Catherine}}'' has an obscure reference to earlier SMT games, so while it lacks any apocalyptic themes, it still has [[spoiler: particularly evil and meddlesome]] examples of AllMythsAreTrue.
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