History NightmareFuel / Redwall

18th Aug '17 8:23:02 AM chelonianmobile
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* A subtle part of Cluny's intro which, if you know a bit about wildlife, makes him a lot more threatening; it is mentioned that he lost his eye in a battle with a pike, while the fish in question lost its life. While the sizes seemed to fluctuate a lot in later books, throughout the first one the animals were regular-animal-sized. Rats usually weigh between two hundred and three hundred grams. Cluny is an unusually large rat; he might make as much as five hundred grams. An average pike weighs sixteen kilos.

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* A subtle part of Cluny's intro which, if you know a bit about wildlife, makes him a lot more threatening; it is mentioned that he lost his eye in a battle with a pike, while the fish in question lost its life. While the sizes seemed to fluctuate a lot in later books, throughout the first one the animals were regular-animal-sized. Rats usually weigh between two hundred and three hundred grams. Cluny is an unusually large rat; he might make as much as five hundred grams. grams (picture a bag of sugar). An average pike weighs sixteen kilos, or as much as a large toddler, and big ones can be up to twenty-eight kilos.
18th Aug '17 8:20:26 AM chelonianmobile
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* And then there is the Abyss to the south that separates Loamhedge and Redwall. ''Loamhedge'' and ''Mattimeo'' both visit this place. In ''Mattimeo'' they drop a stone to see how deep it is. It apparently goes down far enough that ''the stone can't land''.

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* And then there is the Abyss to the south that separates Loamhedge and Redwall. ''Loamhedge'' and ''Mattimeo'' both visit this place. In ''Mattimeo'' they drop a stone to see how deep it is. It apparently goes down far enough that ''the stone can't land''.land''.
* A subtle part of Cluny's intro which, if you know a bit about wildlife, makes him a lot more threatening; it is mentioned that he lost his eye in a battle with a pike, while the fish in question lost its life. While the sizes seemed to fluctuate a lot in later books, throughout the first one the animals were regular-animal-sized. Rats usually weigh between two hundred and three hundred grams. Cluny is an unusually large rat; he might make as much as five hundred grams. An average pike weighs sixteen kilos.
26th Jan '17 3:59:02 PM chelonianmobile
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* Just for starters, try to imagine books aimed at ten-year-old children containing this amount of brutality but with human characters.



%% * In this Troper's opinion, the scene where Matthias rescues Warbeak from Asmodeus puts it UpToEleven. Here we have Cluny who captures Warbeak. She [[DistressedDamsel gets tied down so she can't fly away]]. Surrounding the clearing is very tall grass. Some of it begins to move from a far and we see shots of Asmodeus slowly approaching as if trying to track Warbeak down with his smell. Mathias is on the other end of the tall grass, under a lot of pressure. Not only because he has to rescue Warbeak, but also has to avoid being seen by Cluny or Asmodeus. Just a matter of who gets to whom first is scary enough.

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%% * In this Troper's opinion, the scene where Matthias rescues Warbeak from Asmodeus puts it UpToEleven. Here we have Cluny who captures Warbeak. She [[DistressedDamsel gets tied down so she can't fly away]]. Surrounding the clearing is very tall grass. Some of it begins to move from a far and we see shots of Asmodeus slowly approaching as if trying to track Warbeak down with his smell. Mathias Matthias is on the other end of the tall grass, under a lot of pressure. Not only because he has to rescue Warbeak, but also has to avoid being seen by Cluny or Asmodeus. Just a matter of who gets to whom first is scary enough. (Cartoon-only scene.)
3rd Dec '16 2:25:43 PM Mr.Phorcys
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--> '''Cluny:''' Tell the devil that Cluny sent you, Skullface!

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--> '''Cluny:''' Tell the devil that Cluny sent you, Skullface!Skullface!
* And then there is the Abyss to the south that separates Loamhedge and Redwall. ''Loamhedge'' and ''Mattimeo'' both visit this place. In ''Mattimeo'' they drop a stone to see how deep it is. It apparently goes down far enough that ''the stone can't land''.
28th Oct '16 10:44:39 PM N.Harmonik
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* Vilaya's plan in general. [[AdultFear Kidnapping kids from all over the country]] [[spoiler: even murdering one]], gets even worse from there... [[spoiler: after the kids escape they run into a hedgehog who enslaves them again this time trapping them on an island giving murderous threats and threatening to eat the younger ones if they don't be his slaves]], many of these kids are just toddlers... could you imagine how traumatized they would be for life?
* While the [[BigScrewedUpFamily Marlfoxes]] are established as a pack of fratricidal backstabbers fairly early on, the last of the Marlfoxes gives himself [[LastOfHisKind that status]] by [[spoiler: pushing his sister into a lake full of ravenous pike. Lantur was a bitch ([[StealthPun no pun intended]]), but she did NOT deserve that.]]
** Maybe so, but she did [[spoiler: MindRape "own her mother" into insanity]], and it's heavily implied [[spoiler: she would have tossed Mokkan into the lake with no second thoughts, if he didn't do it to her first]]

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* Vilaya's plan in general. [[AdultFear Kidnapping kids from all over the country]] [[spoiler: even [[spoiler:even murdering one]], gets even worse from there... [[spoiler: after [[spoiler:after the kids escape they run into a hedgehog who enslaves them again this time trapping them on an island giving murderous threats and threatening to eat the younger ones if they don't be his slaves]], many of these kids are just toddlers... could you imagine how traumatized they would be for life?
* While the [[BigScrewedUpFamily Marlfoxes]] are established as a pack of fratricidal backstabbers fairly early on, the last of the Marlfoxes gives himself [[LastOfHisKind that status]] by [[spoiler: pushing [[spoiler:pushing his sister into a lake full of ravenous pike. Lantur was a bitch ([[StealthPun no pun intended]]), but she did NOT deserve that.]]
** Maybe so, but she did [[spoiler: MindRape "own her mother" [[spoiler:MindRape ''her own mother'' into insanity]], and it's heavily implied [[spoiler: she [[spoiler:she would have tossed Mokkan into the lake with no second thoughts, if he didn't do it to her first]]first.]]



* Tsarmina's hydrophobia episodes in ''Mossflower'' might also count. Especially at the end, when [[spoiler: in trying to get away from the water, she somehow backs up all the way into the lake and is pulled under by her heavy clothes]].
* Lonna Bowstripe after [[spoiler:Raga Bol gets killed]]. Picture this: [[spoiler:you see badger consumed with Bloodwrath, and then he proceeds to use a rat's carcass ''[[GrievousHarmWithABody as a flail to kill other vermin]]''. And when he's done slaughtering all these beasts and smashing their bodies apart, the badger looks you dead in the eyes, and then throws Raga Bol's body against a tree. And then he ''smiles'' like absolutely nothing grotesque just happened]]. No wonder Toran and the other Redwallers were afraid to approach him.

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* Tsarmina's hydrophobia episodes in ''Mossflower'' might also count. Especially at the end, when [[spoiler: in when, [[spoiler:in trying to get away from the water, Martin, she somehow backs up all the way into the lake and is pulled under by her heavy clothes]].
* Lonna Bowstripe after [[spoiler:Raga Bol gets killed]]. Picture this: [[spoiler:you see a badger consumed with Bloodwrath, and then he proceeds to use a rat's carcass ''[[GrievousHarmWithABody as a flail to kill other vermin]]''. And when he's done slaughtering all these beasts and smashing their bodies apart, the badger looks you dead in the eyes, and then throws Raga Bol's body against a tree. And then he ''smiles'' like absolutely nothing grotesque just happened]]. No wonder Toran and the other Redwallers were afraid to approach him.



* Speaking of snakes, there is a sibling trio of snakes in ''Triss''. As if this weren't bad enough, they are literally chained together by their tails (which are rotting from lack of circulation beneath the chain) and attack as one unit. The only way to tell they're coming is by the horrible stench that precedes them everywhere. To make matters even worse, they inhabit Brockhall, which you may remember as the place where Martin the Warrior's army stayed before Redwall was built. Brockhall is little more than an abandoned house of horrors now, and to add icing to the terror cake, the mummified remains of the three snakes' mother is in there also, forever locked with the corpse of the vermin king that killed her. Oh, and these three snakes also manage to [[spoiler: kill Shogg, Triss's best friend]].

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* Speaking of snakes, there is a sibling trio of snakes in ''Triss''. As if this weren't bad enough, they are literally chained together by their tails (which are rotting from lack of circulation beneath the chain) and attack as one unit. The only way to tell they're coming is by the horrible stench that precedes them everywhere. To make matters even worse, they inhabit Brockhall, which you may remember as the place where Martin the Warrior's army stayed before Redwall was built. Brockhall is little more than an abandoned house of horrors now, and to add icing to the terror cake, the mummified remains of the three snakes' mother is in there also, forever locked with the corpse of the vermin king that killed her. Oh, and these three snakes also manage to [[spoiler: kill [[spoiler:kill Shogg, Triss's best friend]].
12th Sep '16 9:10:19 PM GrecoRomanGuy
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* The very first death of the series occurs four very short chapters into the first book; Skullface the rat is run over by a cart, which would be gruesome enough were he human. Imagine what a full-sized horse and cart does to a rat-sized creature, and he lives long enough to hear Cluny yell back at him.

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* The very first death of the series occurs four very short chapters into the first book; Skullface the rat is run over by a cart, which would be gruesome enough were he human. Imagine what a full-sized horse and cart does to a rat-sized creature, and he lives long enough to hear Cluny yell back at him.him.
--> '''Cluny:''' Tell the devil that Cluny sent you, Skullface!
27th Apr '16 8:01:10 PM Quanyails
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* You gotta feel sorry for all the hell [[BreakTheCutie Abbot Durral]] went through in ''Pearls of Lutra''. Getting captured by lizards, getting repeatedly threatened by Lask Frildur, and not a single beast was there to reassure him that everything ''might'' be okay (except Romsca). When shit finally hits the fan and Romsca and Lask's crews get into a huge fight, Abbot Durral is sitting in Romsca's cabin, alone and utterly defenseless. He blocks the door with a bunch of junk and simply sits in the corner of the cabin for an entire day hoping all the noise will go away. The next morning, something happens that would make any regular abbot shit himself: [[spoiler:''someone starts banging on the door and hacking away at it.'' Once the door has a huge hole in it, the beast on the other side shoves his head through it. Surprise! It's Lask Frildur!]] [[NothingIsScarier Cue chapter's ending]].

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* You gotta feel sorry for all the hell [[BreakTheCutie Abbot Durral]] went through in ''Pearls ''The Pearls of Lutra''. Getting captured by lizards, getting repeatedly threatened by Lask Frildur, and not a single beast was there to reassure him that everything ''might'' be okay (except Romsca). When shit finally hits the fan and Romsca and Lask's crews get into a huge fight, Abbot Durral is sitting in Romsca's cabin, alone and utterly defenseless. He blocks the door with a bunch of junk and simply sits in the corner of the cabin for an entire day hoping all the noise will go away. The next morning, something happens that would make any regular abbot shit himself: [[spoiler:''someone starts banging on the door and hacking away at it.'' Once the door has a huge hole in it, the beast on the other side shoves his head through it. Surprise! It's Lask Frildur!]] [[NothingIsScarier Cue chapter's ending]].
27th Apr '16 8:00:41 PM Quanyails
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* Also from Doomwyte, Baliss the Slayer. Starts off as a highly effective silent killer. After getting a face full of hedgehog spikes, and said wounds become infected, the snake goes completely insane. For comparison, take Asmodeus, make him bigger, smarter, and generally more dangerous. Now make him batshit insane and blind. Not pretty.

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* Also from Doomwyte, ''Doomwyte'', Baliss the Slayer. Starts off as a highly effective silent killer. After getting a face full of hedgehog spikes, and said wounds become infected, the snake goes completely insane. For comparison, take Asmodeus, make him bigger, smarter, and generally more dangerous. Now make him batshit insane and blind. Not pretty.
29th Nov '15 3:42:56 PM SomeoneImSure
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->'''Slagar:''' [[PunctuatedForEmphasis I... AM...]] (takes off his mask, revealing his NightmareFace) [[spoiler:CHICKENHOUND!]]

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->'''Slagar:''' --->'''Slagar:''' [[PunctuatedForEmphasis I... AM...]] (takes off his mask, revealing his NightmareFace) [[spoiler:CHICKENHOUND!]]
6th Oct '15 4:46:04 PM DrNoPuma
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** In the AnimatedAdaptation, which usually uses a GoryDiscretionShot during violent or otherwise scary moments, we get a ''good'' view of Slagar's scars. [[http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/redwall/images/d/dd/Slagar_unmasked_T.V_series.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100907013144 Sleep tight, Dibbuns!]]
->'''Slagar:''' [[PunctuatedForEmphasis I... AM...]] (takes off his mask, revealing his NightmareFace) [[spoiler:CHICKENHOUND!]]
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