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26th Jun '17 2:17:24 PM GlitteringWolf
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*** [[spoiler: Just, the utter callousness the simulation troopers are treated with. These are human beings who signed on to fight in the military, do something good. So what if they were incompetent or bad in a fight? [[FateWorseThanDeath They do not deserve]] to be traded away like slaves, [[WhatMeasureIsAMook as if they were nothing]], to an organization that treats them like CannonFodder at worst [[UnwittingTestSubject Guinea Pigs at best]].]]
25th Jun '17 7:48:51 PM MMTrigger
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*** [[spoiler: Listen to the smug, almost casual tone of voice Temple takes on at that moment: it almosts sounds similar to [[{{Machinima/RedVsBlueTheChorusTrilogy}} a certain sociopathic merc...]]]]

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*** [[spoiler: Listen to the smug, almost casual tone of voice Temple takes on at that moment: it almosts almost sounds similar to [[{{Machinima/RedVsBlueTheChorusTrilogy}} a certain sociopathic merc...]]]]


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*** The implications of this are even worse: if [[spoiler:she hadn't deflected the pole, Carolina would've died from Tex's attack during this ''training exercise.'' Given that earlier seasons showed that she isn't normally so violent, Tex likely had ''Omega'' at this point. The Director sent an Omega-equipped Tex against his own daughter.]]
25th Jun '17 11:16:18 AM streakson22
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[[folder: General]]
* The idea of simulation troopers is horrifying in itself. The UNSC takes all of the soldiers who aren't good enough to be out on the battlefield, and instead of sending them home, hands them off to Project Freelancer to use as expendable test dummies for trained SuperSoldiers to shoot at.
** What's more, Season 15 delves fully into the implications: [[spoiler: In the past, Carolina and Tex killed Biff by accident. The Blues and Reds were completely mortified by this, but neither of the Freelancers showed even a hint of remorse. They were trained to see sim troopers as expendable to the point that murdering one didn't even faze them.]]
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25th Jun '17 10:20:43 AM BobSaget9
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--> [[spoiler: Control]] : Marvelous. Then you are to report back to your respective armies, and report the deaths of the Reds and Blues. They will become the martyrs needed to push these people towards one, final confrontation. Do i make myself clear?

--> [[spoiler:Felix]] pulls his knife out of the aforementioned corpse's visor.

--> [[spoiler:Felix]]: Crystal.

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--> [[spoiler: Control]] : -->[[spoiler: Control]]: Marvelous. Then you are to report back to your respective armies, and report the deaths of the Reds and Blues. They will become the martyrs needed to push these people towards one, final confrontation. Do i make myself clear?

--> [[spoiler:Felix]]
clear?
-->([[spoiler:Felix]]
pulls his knife out of the aforementioned corpse's visor.

--> [[spoiler:Felix]]: Crystal.
visor.)
-->[[spoiler:Felix]]: Crystal.



* Episode 19, the Season 12 finale, reveals the contents of the package Locus sent Control at the end of Season 11: [[spoiler:the Meta's helmet...which presumably contains any remains of the AIs that were lost at the end of Season 6. What exactly the Chairman wants with it is unknown, but there is no way it can be good.]]

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* Episode 19, the Season 12 finale, reveals the contents of the package Locus sent Control at the end of Season 11: [[spoiler:the Meta's helmet... which presumably contains any remains of the AIs that were lost at the end of Season 6. What exactly the Chairman wants with it is unknown, but there is no way it can be good.]]



* These revelations get '''''even worse''''' (not to mention tragic) after episodes 12 and 13 (aka ''Blue vs. Red: Parts 1 and 2''). As revealed to Dylan by Temple in the first part, it turns out there was a counterpart to Grif in the Blues and Reds called Biff. He and Temple were lifelong friends who'd been forced onto opposing sides by Project Freelancer. Eventually, Biff wanted to get home to his lover, so he and Temple planned for the latter to shoot off a finger off the former's hand, thereby earning Biff a medical discharge and a ride home. As Temple put it, "no plan ever survives first contact with the enemy".
** In the second part, we then follow Carolina prior to her development during Season 10, with her being super competitive. It is even more extreme than her behavior shown during the Freelancer Trilogy. To elaborate, after the heist from Season 9, Carolina was assigned to lead the Blues from Armada 8 in a game of Capture the Flag against Tex, who was leading the Reds. It's clear that Carolina had no regard for the safety of her men, not even bothering to learn their names. After making short work of the Reds, Carolina engages in an intense hand-to-hand fight with Tex, which eventually leads to the two fighting over the Blue Flag in Blue Base. Biff and Temple follow in an attempt to have the Freelancers witness Biff getting shot, so as to ensure a legitimate medical discharge. Temple finds himself unable to, prompting Biff to reveal that Georgina is pregnant.
** Then suddenly, Carolina [[KickTheDog grabs Biff and uses him as a human shield]], with Temple ''desperately'' trying to get Carolina and Tex to stop fighting, before Tex throws the flag at Carolina, who deflects it ... causing it to ''[[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice impale Biff in the midsection]]'', pinning him to the wall. As Temple screams for a medic, Carolina just ''shoves'' Temple aside, making it clear she doesn't give two shits about the Blues and Reds, before Tex shoves Carolina aside to recover the flag. The resulting blood splatters onto Temple's armor, in a manner hauntingly similar from the prologue, before Carolina and Tex depart, leaving Temple with a dying Biff, who bleeds out. Suddenly, it all makes sense as to why Temple is seeking vengeance against the Freelancers ''so badly''. This casts a ''completely'' different context on his actions, and it's not hard to feel sorry for the man, let alone ponder [[FridgeHorror what manner of torment this has caused him]].

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* These revelations get '''''even worse''''' (not to mention tragic) after episodes 12 and 13 (aka ''Blue vs. Red: Parts 1 and 2''). As revealed to Dylan by Temple in the first part, it [[spoiler:it turns out there was a counterpart to Grif in the Blues and Reds called Biff. He and Temple were lifelong friends who'd been forced onto opposing sides by Project Freelancer. Eventually, Biff wanted to get home to his lover, so he and Temple planned for the latter to shoot off a finger off the former's hand, thereby earning Biff a medical discharge and a ride home.home]]. As Temple put it, "no plan ever survives first contact with the enemy".
** In the second part, we then follow Carolina [[spoiler:Carolina prior to her development during Season 10, with her being super competitive. It is even more extreme than her behavior shown during the Freelancer Trilogy. To elaborate, after the heist from Season 9, Carolina was assigned to lead the Blues from Armada 8 in a game of Capture the Flag against Tex, who was leading the Reds. It's clear that Carolina had no regard for the safety of her men, not even bothering to learn their names. After making short work of the Reds, Carolina engages in an intense hand-to-hand fight with Tex, which eventually leads to the two fighting over the Blue Flag in Blue Base. Biff and Temple follow in an attempt to have the Freelancers witness Biff getting shot, so as to ensure a legitimate medical discharge. Temple finds himself unable to, prompting Biff to reveal that Georgina is pregnant.pregnant]].
** Then suddenly, Carolina [[spoiler:Carolina [[KickTheDog grabs Biff and uses him as a human shield]], with Temple ''desperately'' trying to get Carolina and Tex to stop fighting, before Tex throws the flag at Carolina, who deflects it ... causing it to ''[[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice impale Biff in the midsection]]'', pinning him to the wall. As Temple screams for a medic, Carolina just ''shoves'' Temple aside, making it clear she doesn't give two shits about the Blues and Reds, before Tex shoves Carolina aside to recover the flag. The resulting blood splatters onto Temple's armor, in a manner hauntingly similar from the prologue, before Carolina and Tex depart, leaving Temple with a dying Biff, who bleeds out. Suddenly, it all makes sense as to why Temple is seeking vengeance against the Freelancers ''so badly''. This casts a ''completely'' different context on his actions, and it's not hard to feel sorry for the man, let alone ponder [[FridgeHorror what manner of torment this has caused him]].him]]]].
25th Jun '17 10:11:01 AM peripheraldevotee
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* These revelations get '''''even worse''''' (not to mention tragic) after episodes 12 and 13 (aka ''Blue vs. Red: Parts 1 and 2''). As revealed to Dylan by Temple in the first part, it turns out there was a counterpart to Grif in the Blues and Reds called Biff. He and Temple were lifelong friends who'd been forced onto opposing sides by Project Freelancer. Eventually, Biff wanted to get home to his lover, so he and Temple planned for the latter to shoot off a finger off the former's hand, thereby earning Biff a medical discharge and a ride home. As Temple put it, "no plan ever survives first contact with the enemy".\\

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* These revelations get '''''even worse''''' (not to mention tragic) after episodes 12 and 13 (aka ''Blue vs. Red: Parts 1 and 2''). As revealed to Dylan by Temple in the first part, it turns out there was a counterpart to Grif in the Blues and Reds called Biff. He and Temple were lifelong friends who'd been forced onto opposing sides by Project Freelancer. Eventually, Biff wanted to get home to his lover, so he and Temple planned for the latter to shoot off a finger off the former's hand, thereby earning Biff a medical discharge and a ride home. As Temple put it, "no plan ever survives first contact with the enemy".\\
25th Jun '17 10:10:41 AM peripheraldevotee
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* These revelations gets ''even worse'' (not to mention tragic) when one considers the implications of Episode 12. As revealed to Dylan by Temple, it turns out there was a [[spoiler:counterpart to Grif in the Blues and Reds called Biff. He and Temple were lifelong friends who'd been forced onto opposing sides by Project Freelancer]]. Eventually, [[spoiler:Biff wanted to get home to his lover]], so he [[spoiler:and Temple planned for the latter to shoot off a finger off the former's hand, thereby earning Biff a medical discharge and a ride home]]. As Temple put it, [[spoiler:"no plan ever survives first contact with the enemy"]]. Given that, and the fact Temple feared getting recognized by the agent, it's ''strongly'' suggested that [[spoiler:Carolina was the Freelancer sent to the Blues and Reds, similar to how Texas was sent to the Reds and Blues ... and was responsible for murdering Biff]]. The implication that Temple [[spoiler:witnessed the death of one of his closest friends]] casts a ''completely'' different context on his actions, and it's not hard to feel sorry for the man, let alone ponder [[FridgeHorror what manner of torment this had caused him]]. No ''wonder'' he's [[spoiler:bumping off the Freelancers like this]].
* Episode 13 ''finally'' reveals how Biff died...and it may be just as horrifying as the reveal from Episode 10. The episode follows Carolina prior to her development during Season 10, with her being super competitive. It is even more extreme than her behavior shown during the Freelancer Trilogy. To elaborate, after the heist from Season 9, Carolina was assigned to lead the Blues from Armada 8 in a game of Capture the Flag against Tex, who was leading the Reds. It is clear that Carolina has no regard for the safety of her men, not even bothering to learn their names. After making short work of the Reds, Carolina engages in an intense hand-to-hand fight with Tex, which eventually leads to the two fighting over the Blue Flag in Blue Base. Biff and Temple follow in an attempt to have the Freelancers witness Biff getting shot, so as to ensure a legitimate medical discharge. Temple finds himself unable to, prompting Biff to reveal that Georgina is pregnant. Then suddenly, Carolina grabs Biff and uses him as a human shield, with Temple desperately trying to get Carolina and Tex to stop fighting, before Tex throws the flag at Carolina, who deflects it...causing it to impale Biff in the midsection, pinning him to the wall. As Temple screams for a medic, Carolina just ''shoves'' Temple aside, making it clear she doesn't give two shits about the Blues and Reds, before Tex shoves Carolina aside to recover the flag. The resulting blood splatters onto Temple's armor, in a manner hauntingly similar from the prologue, before Carolina and Tex depart, leaving Temple with a dying Biff, who bleeds out. Suddenly, it all makes sense as to why Temple is seeking vengeance against the Freelancers ''so badly''.

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* These revelations gets ''even worse'' get '''''even worse''''' (not to mention tragic) when one considers the implications of Episode 12. after episodes 12 and 13 (aka ''Blue vs. Red: Parts 1 and 2''). As revealed to Dylan by Temple, Temple in the first part, it turns out there was a [[spoiler:counterpart counterpart to Grif in the Blues and Reds called Biff. He and Temple were lifelong friends who'd been forced onto opposing sides by Project Freelancer]]. Freelancer. Eventually, [[spoiler:Biff Biff wanted to get home to his lover]], lover, so he [[spoiler:and and Temple planned for the latter to shoot off a finger off the former's hand, thereby earning Biff a medical discharge and a ride home]]. home. As Temple put it, [[spoiler:"no "no plan ever survives first contact with the enemy"]]. Given that, and enemy".\\
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the fact Temple feared getting recognized by the agent, it's ''strongly'' suggested that [[spoiler:Carolina was the Freelancer sent to the Blues and Reds, similar to how Texas was sent to the Reds and Blues ... and was responsible for murdering Biff]]. The implication that Temple [[spoiler:witnessed the death of one of his closest friends]] casts a ''completely'' different context on his actions, and it's not hard to feel sorry for the man, let alone ponder [[FridgeHorror what manner of torment this had caused him]]. No ''wonder'' he's [[spoiler:bumping off the Freelancers like this]].
* Episode 13 ''finally'' reveals how Biff died...and it may be just as horrifying as the reveal from Episode 10. The episode follows
second part, we then follow Carolina prior to her development during Season 10, with her being super competitive. It is even more extreme than her behavior shown during the Freelancer Trilogy. To elaborate, after the heist from Season 9, Carolina was assigned to lead the Blues from Armada 8 in a game of Capture the Flag against Tex, who was leading the Reds. It is It's clear that Carolina has had no regard for the safety of her men, not even bothering to learn their names. After making short work of the Reds, Carolina engages in an intense hand-to-hand fight with Tex, which eventually leads to the two fighting over the Blue Flag in Blue Base. Biff and Temple follow in an attempt to have the Freelancers witness Biff getting shot, so as to ensure a legitimate medical discharge. Temple finds himself unable to, prompting Biff to reveal that Georgina is pregnant.
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Then suddenly, Carolina [[KickTheDog grabs Biff and uses him as a human shield, shield]], with Temple desperately ''desperately'' trying to get Carolina and Tex to stop fighting, before Tex throws the flag at Carolina, who deflects it...it ... causing it to ''[[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice impale Biff in the midsection, midsection]]'', pinning him to the wall. As Temple screams for a medic, Carolina just ''shoves'' Temple aside, making it clear she doesn't give two shits about the Blues and Reds, before Tex shoves Carolina aside to recover the flag. The resulting blood splatters onto Temple's armor, in a manner hauntingly similar from the prologue, before Carolina and Tex depart, leaving Temple with a dying Biff, who bleeds out. Suddenly, it all makes sense as to why Temple is seeking vengeance against the Freelancers ''so badly''. This casts a ''completely'' different context on his actions, and it's not hard to feel sorry for the man, let alone ponder [[FridgeHorror what manner of torment this has caused him]].
25th Jun '17 7:43:52 AM Wiseoung-5
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* Episode 13 ''finally'' reveals how Biff died...and it may be just as horrifying as the reveal from Episode 10. The episode follows Carolina prior to her development during Season 10, with her being super competitive. It is even more extreme than her behavior shown during the Freelancer Trilogy. To elaborate, after the heist from Season 9, Carolina was assigned to lead the Blues from Armada 8 in a game of Capture the Flag against Tex, who was leading the Reds. It is clear that Carolina has no regard for the safety of her men, not even bothering to learn their names. After making short work of the Reds, Carolina engages in an intense hand-to-hand fight with Tex, which eventually leads to the two fighting over the Blue Flag in Blue Base. Biff and Temple follow in an attempt to have the Freelancers witness Biff getting shot, so as to ensure a legitimate medical discharge. Temple finds himself unable to, prompting Biff to reveal that Georgina is pregnant. Then suddenly, Carolina grabs Biff and uses him as a human shield, with Temple desperately trying to get Carolina and Tex to stop fighting, before Tex throws the flag at Carolina, who deflects it...causing it to impale Biff in the midsection, pinning him onto a wall. As Temple screams for a medic, Carolina just ''shoves'' Temple aside, making it clear she doesn't give two shits about the Blues and Reds, before Tex shoves Carolina aside to recover the flag. The resulting blood splatters onto Temple's armor, in a manner hauntingly similar from the prologue, before Carolina and Tex depart, leaving Temple with a dying Biff, who bleeds out. Suddenly, it all makes sense as to why Temple is seeking vengeance against the Freelancers ''so badly''.

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* Episode 13 ''finally'' reveals how Biff died...and it may be just as horrifying as the reveal from Episode 10. The episode follows Carolina prior to her development during Season 10, with her being super competitive. It is even more extreme than her behavior shown during the Freelancer Trilogy. To elaborate, after the heist from Season 9, Carolina was assigned to lead the Blues from Armada 8 in a game of Capture the Flag against Tex, who was leading the Reds. It is clear that Carolina has no regard for the safety of her men, not even bothering to learn their names. After making short work of the Reds, Carolina engages in an intense hand-to-hand fight with Tex, which eventually leads to the two fighting over the Blue Flag in Blue Base. Biff and Temple follow in an attempt to have the Freelancers witness Biff getting shot, so as to ensure a legitimate medical discharge. Temple finds himself unable to, prompting Biff to reveal that Georgina is pregnant. Then suddenly, Carolina grabs Biff and uses him as a human shield, with Temple desperately trying to get Carolina and Tex to stop fighting, before Tex throws the flag at Carolina, who deflects it...causing it to impale Biff in the midsection, pinning him onto a to the wall. As Temple screams for a medic, Carolina just ''shoves'' Temple aside, making it clear she doesn't give two shits about the Blues and Reds, before Tex shoves Carolina aside to recover the flag. The resulting blood splatters onto Temple's armor, in a manner hauntingly similar from the prologue, before Carolina and Tex depart, leaving Temple with a dying Biff, who bleeds out. Suddenly, it all makes sense as to why Temple is seeking vengeance against the Freelancers ''so badly''.
25th Jun '17 7:40:19 AM Wiseoung-5
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* Episode 13 ''finally'' reveals how Biff died...and it may be just as horrifying as the reveal from Episode 10. The episode follows Carolina prior to her development during Season 10, with her being super competitive. It is even more extreme than her behavior shown during the Freelancer Trilogy. To elaborate, after the heist from Season 9, Carolina was assigned to lead the Blues from Armada 8 in a game of Capture the Flag against Tex, who was leading the Reds. It is clear that Carolina has no regard for the safety of her men, not even bothering to learn their names. After making short work of the Reds, Carolina engages in an intense hand-to-hand fight with Tex, which eventually leads to the two fighting over the Blue Flag in Blue Base. Biff and Temple follow in an attempt to have the Freelancers witness Biff getting shot, so as to ensure a legitimate medical discharge. Temple finds himself unable to, prompting Biff to reveal that Georgina is pregnant. Then suddenly, Carolina grabs Biff and uses him as a human shield, with Temple desperately trying to get Carolina and Tex to stop fighting, before Tex throws the flag at Carolina, who deflects it...causing it to impale Biff in the midsection, pinning him onto a wall. As Temple screams for a medic, Carolina just ''shoves'' Temple aside, making it clear she doesn't give two shits about the Blues and Reds, before Tex shoves Carolina aside to recover the flag. The resulting blood splatters onto Temple's armor, in a manner hauntingly similar from the prologue, before Carolina and Tex depart, leaving Temple with a dying Biff, who bleeds out. Suddenly, it all makes sense as to why Temple is seeking vengeance against the Freelancers ''so badly''.
24th Jun '17 11:56:50 AM generalzod39
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*** [[spoiler: Temple also reveals that the longest any of his victims lasted was eight days and eleven hours. Let that sink in; [[AndIMustScream one of the Freelancers spent over a week trapped in a state in which he/she couldn't move, go to the bathroom, call for help, eat or drink anything,]] [[DeadGuyOnDisplay all the while surrounded by the bodies of their murdered comrades]] [[CreepySouvenir who all died just as horribly]] before they themselves finally expired. ''What a terrible way to die!'']]

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*** [[spoiler: Temple also reveals that the longest any of his victims lasted while locked in their armor was eight days and eleven hours. Let that sink in; [[AndIMustScream one of the Freelancers spent over a week trapped in a state in which he/she couldn't move, go to the bathroom, call for help, eat or drink anything,]] [[DeadGuyOnDisplay all the while surrounded by the bodies of their murdered comrades]] [[CreepySouvenir who all died just as horribly]] before they themselves finally expired. ''What a terrible way to die!'']]
24th Jun '17 4:39:42 AM peripheraldevotee
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*** This gets even worse (not to mention tragic) when one considers the implications of Episode 12. [[spoiler:Biff, counterpart to Grif, was a lifelong friend of Temple's who'd been forced onto the opposite side by Project Freelancer. They planned to get Biff home to his lover by means of Temple blowing a finger off his hand, earning Biff a medical discharge]]. As Temple put it, [[spoiler:"no plan ever survives first contact with the enemy"]]. Given that he feared getting recognized by the agent, it's strongly suggested that [[spoiler:Carolina was the Freelancer sent to the desert canyon, and ended up murdering Biff]]. Enduring that would ''definitely'' [[spoiler:take a toll on someone]].


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* These revelations gets ''even worse'' (not to mention tragic) when one considers the implications of Episode 12. As revealed to Dylan by Temple, it turns out there was a [[spoiler:counterpart to Grif in the Blues and Reds called Biff. He and Temple were lifelong friends who'd been forced onto opposing sides by Project Freelancer]]. Eventually, [[spoiler:Biff wanted to get home to his lover]], so he [[spoiler:and Temple planned for the latter to shoot off a finger off the former's hand, thereby earning Biff a medical discharge and a ride home]]. As Temple put it, [[spoiler:"no plan ever survives first contact with the enemy"]]. Given that, and the fact Temple feared getting recognized by the agent, it's ''strongly'' suggested that [[spoiler:Carolina was the Freelancer sent to the Blues and Reds, similar to how Texas was sent to the Reds and Blues ... and was responsible for murdering Biff]]. The implication that Temple [[spoiler:witnessed the death of one of his closest friends]] casts a ''completely'' different context on his actions, and it's not hard to feel sorry for the man, let alone ponder [[FridgeHorror what manner of torment this had caused him]]. No ''wonder'' he's [[spoiler:bumping off the Freelancers like this]].
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