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* Croup and Vandermar in general. They may just be two of the most chilling villains in all of Fantasy. They are two completely unhinged, sadistic monsters who positively revel in all the horrid stuff they do and are shown to be practically unstoppable, able to travel across time, teleport with ease and never lose the scent of a person when they have it, meaning there's nowhere you can hide from them. If they decide to go after you, you don't have a hope of escaping and the best you can expect is a quick death and even that's unlikely given their love of horrible torture.

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* Croup and Vandermar in general. They may just be two of the most chilling villains in all of Fantasy. They are two completely unhinged, sadistic monsters who positively revel in all the horrid stuff they do and are shown to be practically unstoppable, able to travel across time, teleport with ease and never lose the scent of a person when they have it, meaning there's nowhere you can hide from them. If they decide to go after you, you don't have a even the slightest hope of escaping and the best you can expect get is a quick death and even that's unlikely given their love of horrible torture.
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* Croup and Vandermar in general. They may just be two of the most chilling villains in all of Fantasy. They are two completely unhinged, sadistic monsters who positively revel in all the horrid stuff they do and are shown to be practically unstoppable, able to travel across time, teleport with ease and never lose the scent of a person when they have it, meaning there's nowhere you can hide from them. If they decide to go after you, you don't have a hope of escaping and the best you can expect is a quick death and even that's unlikely given their love of horrible torture.
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* The duo's habit of eating everything alive. Rats, cats, humans, basically anything with a pulse. At one point, Vandemar finds a sandwich and instead of eating it, uses it as bait to catch pigeons and eat them whole.

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* The duo's habit of eating everything alive. Rats, cats, humans, basically anything with a pulse. At one point, Vandemar finds a sandwich sandwich, and instead of eating it, uses it as bait to catch pigeons and eat them whole.



* Whereever Anaesthesia went on Knightsbridge.

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* Whereever Wherever Anaesthesia went (or rather, was taken) on Knightsbridge.



** The BBC radio adaptation had it voiced quite terrifyingly by [[spoiler: Creator/BenedictCumberbatch]], who manages to switch between his FauxAffablyEvil and his VoiceOfTheLegion VillainousBreakdown perfectly.
** The portrayal by [[spoiler:Creator/PeterCapaldi]] is just as frightening, especially whenever it shows anger; its face twists back into a near bestial snarl that makes it quite clear it's insane, especially when it screams ''"They deserved it!''
* The Beast Of London is a gigantic, ancient boar that is permanently enraged and far smarter than its mundane cousins. When you consider how dangerous a normal boar was considered to be, having to face this thing on its own territory is truly horrific - to the extent that [[spoiler:it killed Hunter]], who made a career out of killing such beasts of other cities.
* There are shepherds in Shepherd's Bush. Hunter tells Richard he should pray he never meets them. In the short story, ''Literature/HowTheMarquisGotHisCoatBack'' we find out why. [[spoiler:The shepherds have the power to brainwash people, essentially turning them into drones. The members of the "flock" are used as slave labor, blissfully content as they're worked to death. The Marquis falls under their control for a while and is put to work disassembling the bodies of other flock members who can't work anymore--taking anything useful like hair and tallow fat--and then dumping their bodies in a pit.]]

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** The BBC radio adaptation had has it voiced quite terrifyingly by [[spoiler: Creator/BenedictCumberbatch]], who manages to switch between his its FauxAffablyEvil and his its VoiceOfTheLegion VillainousBreakdown perfectly.
** The portrayal by [[spoiler:Creator/PeterCapaldi]] is just as frightening, especially whenever it shows anger; anger: its face twists back into a near bestial snarl that makes it quite clear it's insane, especially when it screams ''"They deserved it!''
it!"''
* The Beast Of of London is a gigantic, ancient boar that is permanently enraged and far smarter than its mundane cousins. When you consider how dangerous a normal boar was considered to be, having to face this thing on its own territory is truly horrific - -- to the extent that [[spoiler:it killed kills Hunter]], who made a career out of killing such beasts of other cities.
* There are shepherds in Shepherd's Bush. Hunter tells Richard he should pray he never meets them. In the short story, ''Literature/HowTheMarquisGotHisCoatBack'' we find out why. [[spoiler:The shepherds have the power to brainwash people, essentially turning them into drones. The members of the "flock" are used as slave labor, blissfully content as they're worked to death. The Marquis falls under their control for a while and is put to work disassembling the bodies of other flock members who can't work anymore--taking anymore- - taking anything useful like hair and tallow fat--and fat -- and then dumping their bodies in a pit.]]
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* There are shepherds in Shepherd's Bush. Hunter tells Richard he should pray he never meets them. In the short story, ''Literature/HowTheMarquisGotHisCoatBack'' we find out why. [[spoiler:The shepherds have the power to brainwash people, essentially turning them into drones. The members of the "flock" are used as slave labor, blissfully content as they're worked to death. The Marquis falls under their control for a while and is put to work disassembling the bodies of other flock members who can't work anymore--taking anything useful like hair and tallow fat--and then dumping their bodies in a pit.]]

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* There are shepherds in Shepherd's Bush. Hunter tells Richard he should pray he never meets them. In the short story, ''Literature/HowTheMarquisGotHisCoatBack'' we find out why. [[spoiler:The shepherds have the power to brainwash people, essentially turning them into drones. The members of the "flock" are used as slave labor, blissfully content as they're worked to death. The Marquis falls under their control for a while and is put to work disassembling the bodies of other flock members who can't work anymore--taking anything useful like hair and tallow fat--and then dumping their bodies in a pit.]]]]
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* The Beast Of London is a gigantic, ancient boar that is permanently enraged and far smarter than its mundane cousins. When you consider how dangerous a normal boar was considered to be, having to face this thing on its own territory is truly horrific - to the extent that it killed Hunter, who made a career out of killing such beasts of other cities.

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* The Beast Of London is a gigantic, ancient boar that is permanently enraged and far smarter than its mundane cousins. When you consider how dangerous a normal boar was considered to be, having to face this thing on its own territory is truly horrific - to the extent that it [[spoiler:it killed Hunter, Hunter]], who made a career out of killing such beasts of other cities.
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* There are shepherds in Shepherd's Bush. Hunter tells Richard he should pray he never meets them. In the short story, ''Literature/HowTheMarquisGotHisCoatBack'' we find out why. [[spoiler:The shepherds have the power brainwash people, essentially turning them into drones. The members of the "flock" are used as slave labor, blissfully content as they're worked to death. The Marquis falls under their control for a while and is put to work disassembling the bodies of other flock members who can't work anymore--taking anything useful like hair and tallow fat--and then dumping their bodies in a pit.]]

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* There are shepherds in Shepherd's Bush. Hunter tells Richard he should pray he never meets them. In the short story, ''Literature/HowTheMarquisGotHisCoatBack'' we find out why. [[spoiler:The shepherds have the power to brainwash people, essentially turning them into drones. The members of the "flock" are used as slave labor, blissfully content as they're worked to death. The Marquis falls under their control for a while and is put to work disassembling the bodies of other flock members who can't work anymore--taking anything useful like hair and tallow fat--and then dumping their bodies in a pit.]]
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* Where the ''fuck'' is Ingress? Croup and Vandemar murdered her mother ''right in front of her'' as well as the rest of her family (I doubt she knows Door's alive) and kidnapped her, and stashed her somewhere. And she hasn't gotten the hang of her opening skills because otherwise [[spoiler:Islington wouldn't need Door alive]] That poor kid is probably going to be SO friggin traumatized by the time Door rescues her. If she can even be rescued... Considering what Croup and Vandemar tend to do with loose ends, after [[spoiler:Islington]] says she "isn't going to work" well... *shivers*
** Probably Ingress wasn't killed or left somewhere that would prove fatal, as the BigBad couldn't be certain that Door would cooperate, or even survive to be used. (Lots of dangers in London Below besides Croup and Vandemar.) If Door died or proved impossible to compel, the villain would have needed Ingress, so she would've been stashed somewhere safe until she grew up enough to do what her sister hadn't.
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* The Beast Of London is a gigantic, ancient boar that is permanently enraged and far smarter than its mundane cousins. When you consider how dangerous a normal boar was considered to be, having to face this thing on its own territory is truly horrific - to the extent that it killed Hunter, who made a career out of killing such beasts of other cities.

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* The Beast Of London is a gigantic, ancient boar that is permanently enraged and far smarter than its mundane cousins. When you consider how dangerous a normal boar was considered to be, having to face this thing on its own territory is truly horrific - to the extent that it killed Hunter, who made a career out of killing such beasts of other cities.cities.
* There are shepherds in Shepherd's Bush. Hunter tells Richard he should pray he never meets them. In the short story, ''Literature/HowTheMarquisGotHisCoatBack'' we find out why. [[spoiler:The shepherds have the power brainwash people, essentially turning them into drones. The members of the "flock" are used as slave labor, blissfully content as they're worked to death. The Marquis falls under their control for a while and is put to work disassembling the bodies of other flock members who can't work anymore--taking anything useful like hair and tallow fat--and then dumping their bodies in a pit.]]
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* The Beast Of London is a gigantic, ancient boar that is permanently enraged and far smarter than it's mundane cousins. When you consider how dangerous a normal boar was considered to be, having to face this thing on it's own territory is truly horrific - to the extent that it killed Hunter, who made a career out of killing such beasts of other cities.

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* The Beast Of London is a gigantic, ancient boar that is permanently enraged and far smarter than it's its mundane cousins. When you consider how dangerous a normal boar was considered to be, having to face this thing on it's its own territory is truly horrific - to the extent that it killed Hunter, who made a career out of killing such beasts of other cities.
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Has nothing to do with familiarity with in-universe fiction.


* Where the ''fuck'' is Ingress? Yes, she's probably pretty darn GenreSavvy if her sister is anything to go by, but she's still a little girl. Croup and Vandemar murdered her mother ''right in front of her'' as well as the rest of her family (I doubt she knows Door's alive) and kidnapped her, and stashed her somewhere. And she hasn't gotten the hang of her opening skills because otherwise [[spoiler:Islington wouldn't need Door alive]] That poor kid is probably going to be SO friggin traumatized by the time Door rescues her. If she can even be rescued... Considering what Croup and Vandemar tend to do with loose ends, after [[spoiler:Islington]] says she "isn't going to work" well... *shivers*

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* Where the ''fuck'' is Ingress? Yes, she's probably pretty darn GenreSavvy if her sister is anything to go by, but she's still a little girl. Croup and Vandemar murdered her mother ''right in front of her'' as well as the rest of her family (I doubt she knows Door's alive) and kidnapped her, and stashed her somewhere. And she hasn't gotten the hang of her opening skills because otherwise [[spoiler:Islington wouldn't need Door alive]] That poor kid is probably going to be SO friggin traumatized by the time Door rescues her. If she can even be rescued... Considering what Croup and Vandemar tend to do with loose ends, after [[spoiler:Islington]] says she "isn't going to work" well... *shivers*
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** The portrayal by [[spoiler:PeterCapaldi]] is just as frightening, especially whenever it shows anger; its face twists back into a near bestial snarl that makes it quite clear it's insane, especially when it screams ''"They deserved it!''

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** The portrayal by [[spoiler:PeterCapaldi]] [[spoiler:Creator/PeterCapaldi]] is just as frightening, especially whenever it shows anger; its face twists back into a near bestial snarl that makes it quite clear it's insane, especially when it screams ''"They deserved it!''
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** The BBC radio adaptation had it voiced quite terrifyingly by [[spoiler: BenedictCumberbatch]], who manages to switch between his FauxAffablyEvil and his VoiceOfTheLegion VillainousBreakdown perfectly.

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** The BBC radio adaptation had it voiced quite terrifyingly by [[spoiler: BenedictCumberbatch]], Creator/BenedictCumberbatch]], who manages to switch between his FauxAffablyEvil and his VoiceOfTheLegion VillainousBreakdown perfectly.
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** Probably Ingress wasn't killed or left somewhere that would prove fatal, as the BigBad couldn't be certain that Door would cooperate, or even survive to be used. (Lots of dangers in London Below besides Croup and Vandemar.) If Door died or proved impossible to compel, the villain would have needed Ingress, so she would've been stashed somewhere safe until she grew up enough to do what her sister hadn't.

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** Probably Ingress wasn't killed or left somewhere that would prove fatal, as the BigBad couldn't be certain that Door would cooperate, or even survive to be used. (Lots of dangers in London Below besides Croup and Vandemar.) If Door died or proved impossible to compel, the villain would have needed Ingress, so she would've been stashed somewhere safe until she grew up enough to do what her sister hadn't.hadn't.
* The Beast Of London is a gigantic, ancient boar that is permanently enraged and far smarter than it's mundane cousins. When you consider how dangerous a normal boar was considered to be, having to face this thing on it's own territory is truly horrific - to the extent that it killed Hunter, who made a career out of killing such beasts of other cities.
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* Where the ''fuck'' is Ingress? Yes, she's probably pretty darn GenreSavvy if her sister is anything to go by, but she's still a little girl. Croup and Vandemar murdered her mother ''right in front of her'' as well as the rest of her family(I doubt she knows Door's alive) and kidnapped her, and stashed her somewhere. And she hasn't gotten the hang of her opening skills because otherwise [[spoiler:Islington wouldn't need Door alive]] That poor kid is probably going to be SO friggen traumatized by the time Door rescues her. If she can even be rescued... Considering what Croup and Vandemar tend to do with loose ends, after [[spoiler:Islington]] says she "isn't going to work" well... *shivers*

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* Where the ''fuck'' is Ingress? Yes, she's probably pretty darn GenreSavvy if her sister is anything to go by, but she's still a little girl. Croup and Vandemar murdered her mother ''right in front of her'' as well as the rest of her family(I family (I doubt she knows Door's alive) and kidnapped her, and stashed her somewhere. And she hasn't gotten the hang of her opening skills because otherwise [[spoiler:Islington wouldn't need Door alive]] That poor kid is probably going to be SO friggen friggin traumatized by the time Door rescues her. If she can even be rescued... Considering what Croup and Vandemar tend to do with loose ends, after [[spoiler:Islington]] says she "isn't going to work" well... *shivers*
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* Where the ''fuck'' is Ingress? Yes, she's probably pretty darn GenreSavvy if her sister is anything to go by, but she's still a little girl. Croup and Vandemar murdered her mother ''right in front of her'' as well as the rest of her family(I doubt she knows Door's alive) and kidnapped her, and stashed her somewhere. And she hasn't gotten the hang of her opening skills because otherwise [[spoiler:Islington wouldn't need Door alive]] That poor kid is probably going to be SO friggen traumatized by the time Door rescues her. If she can even be rescued... Considering what Croup and Vandemar tend to do with loose ends, after [[spoiler:Islington]] says she "isn't going to work" well.... *shivers*

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* Where the ''fuck'' is Ingress? Yes, she's probably pretty darn GenreSavvy if her sister is anything to go by, but she's still a little girl. Croup and Vandemar murdered her mother ''right in front of her'' as well as the rest of her family(I doubt she knows Door's alive) and kidnapped her, and stashed her somewhere. And she hasn't gotten the hang of her opening skills because otherwise [[spoiler:Islington wouldn't need Door alive]] That poor kid is probably going to be SO friggen traumatized by the time Door rescues her. If she can even be rescued... Considering what Croup and Vandemar tend to do with loose ends, after [[spoiler:Islington]] says she "isn't going to work" well....well... *shivers*
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'''Vandemar:''' ...No.

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'''Vandemar:''' ... No.
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** The BBC radio adaptation had him voiced quite terrifyingly by [[spoiler: BenedictCumberbatch]], who manages to switch between his FauxAffablyEvil and his VoiceOfTheLegion VillainousBreakdown perfectly.

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** The BBC radio adaptation had him it voiced quite terrifyingly by [[spoiler: BenedictCumberbatch]], who manages to switch between his FauxAffablyEvil and his VoiceOfTheLegion VillainousBreakdown perfectly.
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* Where the ''fuck'' is Ingress? Yes, she's probably pretty darn GenreSavvy if her sister is anything to go by, but she's still a little girl. Croup and Vandemar murdered her mother ''right in front of her'' as well as the rest of her family(I doubt she knows Door's alive) and kidnapped her, and stashed her somewhere. And she hasn't gotten the hang of her opening skills because otherwise [[spoiler:Islington wouldn't need Door alive]] That poor kid is probably going to be SO friggen traumatized by the time Door rescues her. If she can even be rescued... Considering what Croup and Vandemar tend to do with loose ends, after [[spoiler:Islington]] says she "isn't going to work" well.... *shivers*

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* Where the ''fuck'' is Ingress? Yes, she's probably pretty darn GenreSavvy if her sister is anything to go by, but she's still a little girl. Croup and Vandemar murdered her mother ''right in front of her'' as well as the rest of her family(I doubt she knows Door's alive) and kidnapped her, and stashed her somewhere. And she hasn't gotten the hang of her opening skills because otherwise [[spoiler:Islington wouldn't need Door alive]] That poor kid is probably going to be SO friggen traumatized by the time Door rescues her. If she can even be rescued... Considering what Croup and Vandemar tend to do with loose ends, after [[spoiler:Islington]] says she "isn't going to work" well.... *shivers**shivers*
** Probably Ingress wasn't killed or left somewhere that would prove fatal, as the BigBad couldn't be certain that Door would cooperate, or even survive to be used. (Lots of dangers in London Below besides Croup and Vandemar.) If Door died or proved impossible to compel, the villain would have needed Ingress, so she would've been stashed somewhere safe until she grew up enough to do what her sister hadn't.
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* The idea of being permanently invisible to everyone around you. You can't withdraw money, your fiancee of 18 months doesn't recognise you, your desk at work's been removed, you can't hail taxis, your house gets sold while you're still living in it...

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* The idea of being permanently invisible to unnoticed by everyone around you. You can't withdraw money, your fiancee of 18 months doesn't recognise you, your desk at work's been removed, you can't hail taxis, your house gets sold while you're still living in it...
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** Only on the first read. After you see how very literal-minded Vandemar is, it's clear he's saying that yes, they do bleed, or rather, that they don't not bleed. That said, they definitely aren't human, and nearly every scene with them in it contains at least a bit of Nightmare fuel
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** The portrayal by [[spoiler:PeterCapaldi]] is just as frightening, especially whenever it shows anger; its face twists back into a near bestial snarl that makes it quite clear it's insane, especially when it screams ''"They deserved it!''
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** The BBC radio adaptation had him voiced quite terrifyingly by [[spoiler: BenedictCumberbatch]], who manages to switch between his FauxAffablyEvil and his VoiceOfTheLegion VillainousBreakdown perfectly.

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** The BBC radio adaptation had him voiced quite terrifyingly by [[spoiler: BenedictCumberbatch]], who manages to switch between his FauxAffablyEvil and his VoiceOfTheLegion VillainousBreakdown perfectly.perfectly.
*Where the ''fuck'' is Ingress? Yes, she's probably pretty darn GenreSavvy if her sister is anything to go by, but she's still a little girl. Croup and Vandemar murdered her mother ''right in front of her'' as well as the rest of her family(I doubt she knows Door's alive) and kidnapped her, and stashed her somewhere. And she hasn't gotten the hang of her opening skills because otherwise [[spoiler:Islington wouldn't need Door alive]] That poor kid is probably going to be SO friggen traumatized by the time Door rescues her. If she can even be rescued... Considering what Croup and Vandemar tend to do with loose ends, after [[spoiler:Islington]] says she "isn't going to work" well.... *shivers*
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**Only on the first read. After you see how very literal-minded Vandemar is, it's clear he's saying that yes, they do bleed, or rather, that they don't not bleed. That said, they definitely aren't human, and nearly every scene with them in it contains at least a bit of Nightmare fuel
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* Mr Croup gleefully eating an object he had doted on with apparent love and affection mere seconds before is so horrifying it borders on NauseaFuel.

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* Mr Croup gleefully eating an object he had doted on with apparent love and affection mere seconds before is so horrifying it borders on NauseaFuel.NauseaFuel.
* The BigBad [[spoiler: the Angel Islington]] is extremely unnerving as a being so utterly self-obsessed and self-righteous it's gone well past the point of insanity.
** The BBC radio adaptation had him voiced quite terrifyingly by [[spoiler: BenedictCumberbatch]], who manages to switch between his FauxAffablyEvil and his VoiceOfTheLegion VillainousBreakdown perfectly.
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* Mr Croup gleefully eating an object he had doted on with apparent love and affection mere seconds before is ''horrifying''.

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* Mr Croup gleefully eating an object he had doted on with apparent love and affection mere seconds before is ''horrifying''.so horrifying it borders on NauseaFuel.
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* Mr Croup gleefully eating an object he had doted on with apparent love and affection mere seconds before is ''horrifying''.
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* This exchange cements the fact that Croup and Vandemar decidedly aren't human.
-->'''Croup:''' If you cut us, do we not bleed?\\
'''Vandemar:''' ...No.
* The duo's habit of eating everything alive. Rats, cats, humans, basically anything with a pulse. At one point, Vandemar finds a sandwich and instead of eating it, uses it as bait to catch pigeons and eat them whole.
* The whole of Richard's Ordeal, but especially the train carriage full of rotting corpses, every single one a suicide.
* The idea of being permanently invisible to everyone around you. You can't withdraw money, your fiancee of 18 months doesn't recognise you, your desk at work's been removed, you can't hail taxis, your house gets sold while you're still living in it...
* Whereever Anaesthesia went on Knightsbridge.

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