History NightmareFuel / BlackButler

23rd Feb '17 12:43:11 PM M4r4
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** Ciel's plan to take away Bravat's audience becomes this when it's revealed [[spoiler: he did it to purposely see if more people would die as a result of Bravat having to take even more blood thanks to his resources dwindling.]] Of course Ciel hid this tidbit from the rest of the P5 members, but they will most likely find out eventually.
* Sebastian effortlessly and callously [[spoiler: striking down Elizabeth after she attacked him when he was investigating the sphere hall. Not only was he surprised that he didn't break any of her bones, but he pretty much admitted that if she was not engaged to Ciel he would have killed her.]]
* Entering a contract with a demon causes a marking to appear somewhere on your body (like Ciel's eye). The more obvious/visible the area will give more power and make the contract stronger, all while the easier it will be for the demon to find you. But once you're branded, there is ''no'' getting rid of it, no means of escape.
** To make things worse, it seems that once the contract has been made [[spoiler: if at any moment the demon believes it's contracted is in violation of their end of the bargain then the demon will eat their soul right then and there. Sebastian already demonstrated this in the Green Witch arc, and it could also be argued that, especially during "innocent" moments, he's constantly testing Ciel to make sure his soul is becoming darker and darker.]]

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** Ciel's plan to take away Bravat's audience becomes this when it's revealed [[spoiler: he did it to purposely see if more people would die as a result of Bravat having to take even more blood thanks to his resources dwindling.]] Of course Ciel hid this tidbit from the rest of the P5 members, but they will most likely find out eventually.members.
* Sebastian effortlessly and callously [[spoiler: striking down Elizabeth after she attacked him when he was investigating the sphere hall. Not only was he surprised that he didn't break any of her bones, but he pretty much blatantly admitted that if she was not engaged to Ciel he would have simply killed her.]]
* Entering In general, entering into a contract with a demon causes a marking to appear somewhere on your body (like Ciel's eye). The more obvious/visible the area will give more power and make the contract stronger, all while the making it easier it will be for the demon to find you. But And once you're branded, there is ''no'' getting rid of it, no means of escape.
** To make things worse, it seems that once the contract has been made [[spoiler: if at any moment the demon believes it's contracted contractee is in violation of their end of the bargain then the demon will be free to eat their soul right then and there. Sebastian already demonstrated this in the Green Witch arc, and it could also be argued that, especially during "innocent" moments, he's constantly testing Ciel to make sure his soul is becoming darker and darker.]]
* Ch. 125 features Blavat locking his patrons to their loungers and draining them near complete of their blood. The only survivor appears to have been [[spoiler: Gregory Violet, who was brought due to having the rarest blood type, and even then he's not in the best condition.
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17th Jan '17 12:22:53 PM M4r4
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** Speaking of the infamous scene, just how Sebastian seduced Beast can be unsettling to some viewers. They were outside alone at night, he persisted both while she was at a low point and while it was obvious she wanted nothing to do with him, he constrained her to prevent her from fighting or moving while he propositioned her, and then he played her emotionally until she finally gave in albeit while still obviously depressed. [[ManipulativeBastard Manipulation]] at one of its finest and darkest, and the overall ambiance of the scene (Sebastian's overall demeanor at the time, his prior "incidents" with Beast (getting too close to her crotch without her consent), and Beast's utter misery during the sex) did not help at all.
** Then there is the "demons seducing humans into darkness" aspect that William/the manga brought up, especially the wording. While this does refer to how Beast fell for Sebastian's temptation no matter how she felt about/during/after it, another interpretation could be that Sebastian's demonic nature allows for him to know ''exactly'' how to easily and quickly manipulate people to the point they can no longer reason or refuse an offer no matter their initial feelings, using the person's own weaknesses, no less. And even if there was truly no foul play going on, just remember this was all to gain information and Sebastian most likely had a clue on what was going to happen to Beast a little later...

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** Speaking of the infamous scene, just how Sebastian seduced Beast can be unsettling to some viewers. They were outside alone at night, he persisted both while she was at a low point and while it was obvious she wanted nothing to do with him, he constrained her to prevent her from fighting or moving while he propositioned her, and then he played her emotionally until she finally gave in albeit while still obviously depressed. [[ManipulativeBastard Manipulation]] Manipulation/Pressuring]] at one of its most finest and darkest, and the overall ambiance of the scene (Sebastian's overall demeanor at the time, his prior "incidents" with Beast (getting too close to her crotch without her consent), and Beast's utter obvious misery during the sex) did not help at all.
** Then there is the "demons seducing humans into darkness" aspect that William/the manga brought up, especially the wording.wording which sounded suspiciously like drugging. While this does refer to how Beast fell for Sebastian's temptation no matter how she felt about/during/after it, another interpretation could be that Sebastian's demonic nature allows for him to know ''exactly'' how to easily and quickly manipulate people to the point they can no longer reason or refuse an offer no matter their initial feelings, using the person's own weaknesses, no less. And even if there was truly no foul play going on, just remember this was all to gain information and Sebastian most likely had a clue on what was going to happen to Beast a little later...



* Entering a contract with a demon causes a marking to appear somewhere on your body (like Ciel's eye). The more obvious/visible the area, the easier it is for the demon to find you. But once you're branded, there is ''no'' getting rid of it, no means of escape.

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* Entering a contract with a demon causes a marking to appear somewhere on your body (like Ciel's eye). The more obvious/visible the area, area will give more power and make the contract stronger, all while the easier it is will be for the demon to find you. But once you're branded, there is ''no'' getting rid of it, no means of escape.
7th Jan '17 5:22:07 PM fsdfsdfsd
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*** The manga makes this worse. [[spoiler: Only ONE person wanted to have money and power, since he was the only one who thought the sacrifice could actually ''work.'' The rest of the "cultists" were just bored rich folks having fun, torturing children and killing them purely for entertainment.]]
7th Jan '17 5:18:51 PM fsdfsdfsd
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** The anime makes it even worse by giving [[spoiler: every child captured by the Baron matching scars on their foreheads- which implies that they might have been lobotomized, especially since these children are so... uncannily quiet and obedient, not even crying out when they're all '''burning to death.''']]
22nd Dec '16 1:10:17 PM M4r4
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* Entering a contract with a demon causes a marking to appear somewhere on your body (like Ciel's eye). The more obvious/visible the area, the easier it is for the demon to find you. But once you're branded, there is ''no'' getting rid of it, no means of escape.

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* Entering a contract with a demon causes a marking to appear somewhere on your body (like Ciel's eye). The more obvious/visible the area, the easier it is for the demon to find you. But once you're branded, there is ''no'' getting rid of it, no means of escape.escape.
** To make things worse, it seems that once the contract has been made [[spoiler: if at any moment the demon believes it's contracted is in violation of their end of the bargain then the demon will eat their soul right then and there. Sebastian already demonstrated this in the Green Witch arc, and it could also be argued that, especially during "innocent" moments, he's constantly testing Ciel to make sure his soul is becoming darker and darker.]]
20th Dec '16 7:09:08 AM kirschwasser
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* Sebastian effortlessly and callously [[spoiler: striking down Elizabeth after she attacked him when he was investigating the sphere hall. Not only was he surprised that he didn't break any of her bones, but he pretty much admitted that if she was not engaged to Ciel he would have killed her.]]

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* Sebastian effortlessly and callously [[spoiler: striking down Elizabeth after she attacked him when he was investigating the sphere hall. Not only was he surprised that he didn't break any of her bones, but he pretty much admitted that if she was not engaged to Ciel he would have killed her.]]]]
* Entering a contract with a demon causes a marking to appear somewhere on your body (like Ciel's eye). The more obvious/visible the area, the easier it is for the demon to find you. But once you're branded, there is ''no'' getting rid of it, no means of escape.
20th Dec '16 4:17:45 AM M4r4
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** Speaking of the infamous scene, just how Sebastian seduced Beast can be unsettling to some viewers. They were outside alone at night, he persisted both while she was at a low point and while it was obvious she wanted nothing to do with him, he constrained her to prevent her from fighting or moving while he propositioned her, and then he played her emotionally until she finally gave in albeit while still obviously depressed. It was basically textbook [[ManipulativeBastard pressuring]], and the overall ambiance of the scene (Sebastian's overall demeanor at the time, his prior "incidents" with Beast (getting too close to her crotch without her consent), and Beast's utter misery during the sex) did not help at all.
** Then there is the "demons seducing humans into darkness" aspect that William/the manga brought up, especially the wording. While this does refer to how Beast fell for Sebastian's temptation no matter how she felt about/during/after it, another interpretation could be that Sebastian's demonic nature allows for him to easily and quickly manipulate people to the point they can no longer reason or refuse an offer no matter their initial feelings, using the person's own weaknesses, no less. And even if there was truly no foul play going on, just remember this was all to gain information and Sebastian most likely had a clue on what was going to happen to Beast a little later...

to:

** Speaking of the infamous scene, just how Sebastian seduced Beast can be unsettling to some viewers. They were outside alone at night, he persisted both while she was at a low point and while it was obvious she wanted nothing to do with him, he constrained her to prevent her from fighting or moving while he propositioned her, and then he played her emotionally until she finally gave in albeit while still obviously depressed. It was basically textbook [[ManipulativeBastard pressuring]], Manipulation]] at one of its finest and darkest, and the overall ambiance of the scene (Sebastian's overall demeanor at the time, his prior "incidents" with Beast (getting too close to her crotch without her consent), and Beast's utter misery during the sex) did not help at all.
** Then there is the "demons seducing humans into darkness" aspect that William/the manga brought up, especially the wording. While this does refer to how Beast fell for Sebastian's temptation no matter how she felt about/during/after it, another interpretation could be that Sebastian's demonic nature allows for him to know ''exactly'' how to easily and quickly manipulate people to the point they can no longer reason or refuse an offer no matter their initial feelings, using the person's own weaknesses, no less. And even if there was truly no foul play going on, just remember this was all to gain information and Sebastian most likely had a clue on what was going to happen to Beast a little later...


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** Ciel's plan to take away Bravat's audience becomes this when it's revealed [[spoiler: he did it to purposely see if more people would die as a result of Bravat having to take even more blood thanks to his resources dwindling.]] Of course Ciel hid this tidbit from the rest of the P5 members, but they will most likely find out eventually.
16th Dec '16 9:22:56 AM M4r4
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** Speaking of ''that'' infamous scene, just how Sebastian seduced Beast can be unsettling to some viewers. They were outside alone at night, he persisted both while she was at a low point and while it was obvious she wanted nothing to do with him, he constrained her to prevent her from fighting him again or moving while he propositioned her, and then he played her emotionally until she finally gave in albeit while still extremely depressed. There was certainly an element of [[ManipulativeBastard pressuring]] going on, but at worst the ambiance of the whole scene made it reminiscent to something... less than desirable (Sebastian's overall demeanor at the time, his prior "incidents" with Beast (getting too close to her crotch without her consent), and Beast's utter misery during the sex does not help at all).
** Then there is the "demons seducing humans into darkness" aspect that William/the manga brought up, or more so the wording. While this does refer to how Beast fell for Sebastian's temptation no matter how she felt about/during/after it, another interpretation could be that Sebastian's demonic nature allows for him to easily and quickly manipulate people to the point they can no longer reason or refuse an offer no matter their initial feelings, using the person's own weaknesses, no less. And even if there was truly no foul play going on, just remember this was all to gain information and Sebastian most likely had a clue on what was going to happen to Beast a little later...

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** Speaking of ''that'' the infamous scene, just how Sebastian seduced Beast can be unsettling to some viewers. They were outside alone at night, he persisted both while she was at a low point and while it was obvious she wanted nothing to do with him, he constrained her to prevent her from fighting him again or moving while he propositioned her, and then he played her emotionally until she finally gave in albeit while still extremely obviously depressed. There It was certainly an element of basically textbook [[ManipulativeBastard pressuring]] going on, but at worst pressuring]], and the overall ambiance of the whole scene made it reminiscent to something... less than desirable (Sebastian's overall demeanor at the time, his prior "incidents" with Beast (getting too close to her crotch without her consent), and Beast's utter misery during the sex does sex) did not help at all).all.
** Then there is the "demons seducing humans into darkness" aspect that William/the manga brought up, or more so especially the wording. While this does refer to how Beast fell for Sebastian's temptation no matter how she felt about/during/after it, another interpretation could be that Sebastian's demonic nature allows for him to easily and quickly manipulate people to the point they can no longer reason or refuse an offer no matter their initial feelings, using the person's own weaknesses, no less. And even if there was truly no foul play going on, just remember this was all to gain information and Sebastian most likely had a clue on what was going to happen to Beast a little later...
16th Dec '16 9:04:45 AM M4r4
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** Speaking of ''that'' infamous scene, just how Sebastian seduced Beast can be unsettling to some viewers. They were outside alone at night, he persisted both while she was at a low point and while it was obvious she wanted nothing to do with him, he constrained her to prevent her from fighting him again or moving while he propositioned her, and then he played her emotionally until she finally gave in albeit while still extremely depressed. There was certainly an element of [[ManipulativeBastard pressuring]] going on, but at worst the ambiance of the whole scene made it reminiscent to something... less than desirable (Sebastian's overall demeanor at the time, his prior "incidents" with Beast (getting too close to her crotch without her consent and looking at her half naked without her knowing), and Beast's utter misery during the sex does not help at all).
** Then there is the "demons seducing humans into darkness" aspect that William/the manga brought up. While this does refer to how Beast fell for Sebastian's temptation no matter how she felt about/during/after it, another interpretation could be that Sebastian's demonic nature allows for him to easily and quickly manipulate people to the point [[QuestionableConsent they can no longer reason or refuse an offer no matter their initial feelings,]] using the person's own weaknesses, no less. And even if there was truly no foul play going on, just remember this was all to gain information and Sebastian most likely had a clue on what was going to happen to Beast a little later...

to:

** Speaking of ''that'' infamous scene, just how Sebastian seduced Beast can be unsettling to some viewers. They were outside alone at night, he persisted both while she was at a low point and while it was obvious she wanted nothing to do with him, he constrained her to prevent her from fighting him again or moving while he propositioned her, and then he played her emotionally until she finally gave in albeit while still extremely depressed. There was certainly an element of [[ManipulativeBastard pressuring]] going on, but at worst the ambiance of the whole scene made it reminiscent to something... less than desirable (Sebastian's overall demeanor at the time, his prior "incidents" with Beast (getting too close to her crotch without her consent and looking at her half naked without her knowing), consent), and Beast's utter misery during the sex does not help at all).
** Then there is the "demons seducing humans into darkness" aspect that William/the manga brought up. up, or more so the wording. While this does refer to how Beast fell for Sebastian's temptation no matter how she felt about/during/after it, another interpretation could be that Sebastian's demonic nature allows for him to easily and quickly manipulate people to the point [[QuestionableConsent they can no longer reason or refuse an offer no matter their initial feelings,]] feelings, using the person's own weaknesses, no less. And even if there was truly no foul play going on, just remember this was all to gain information and Sebastian most likely had a clue on what was going to happen to Beast a little later...
28th Nov '16 11:49:49 AM M4r4
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** Almost certainly real [[spoiler:if you pay attention to the contract seal. Look at Sebastian's face when he looks Ciel in the eyes. He's very startled and a little angry from the seal disappearing for those split seconds.]]

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** Almost certainly real [[spoiler:if you pay attention to A moment not so much for us but in-verse [[spoiler: for Sebastian of all characters. After the nightmare/the Undertakerís nighttime visit, Cielís contract seal. Look at Sebastian's face when he looks Ciel in the eyes. He's very startled and a little angry from the seal disappearing was either flickering in and out or just not there for those split seconds.a while after he woke up. All this work, all the condescension heís endured, and Sebastian was absolutely terrified for a moment that heíd lost his reward and he didnít even know ''how''.]]



* A moment not so much for us but in-verse [[spoiler:for Sebastian of all characters. After the nightmare/the Undertakerís nighttime visit, Cielís contract seal was either flickering in and out or just not there for a while after he woke up. All this work, all the condescension heís endured, and Sebastian was absolutely terrified for a moment that heíd lost his reward and he didnít even know ''how''.]]
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