History NightmareFuel / BlackButler

28th Nov '16 11:49:49 AM M4r4
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** Almost certainly real [[spoiler:if you pay attention to the contract seal. Look at Sebastian's face when he looks Ciel in the eyes. He's very startled and a little angry from the seal disappearing for those split seconds.]]

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** Almost certainly real [[spoiler:if you pay attention to A moment not so much for us but in-verse [[spoiler: for Sebastian of all characters. After the nightmare/the Undertakerís nighttime visit, Cielís contract seal. Look at Sebastian's face when he looks Ciel in the eyes. He's very startled and a little angry from the seal disappearing was either flickering in and out or just not there for those split seconds.a while after he woke up. All this work, all the condescension heís endured, and Sebastian was absolutely terrified for a moment that heíd lost his reward and he didnít even know ''how''.]]



* A moment not so much for us but in-verse [[spoiler:for Sebastian of all characters. After the nightmare/the Undertakerís nighttime visit, Cielís contract seal was either flickering in and out or just not there for a while after he woke up. All this work, all the condescension heís endured, and Sebastian was absolutely terrified for a moment that heíd lost his reward and he didnít even know ''how''.]]
14th Nov '16 5:11:41 AM M4r4
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** Speaking of ''that'' infamous scene, just how Sebastian seduced Beast can be unsettling to some viewers. They were outside alone at night, he persisted both while she was at a low point and while it was obvious she wanted nothing to do with him, he constrained her to prevent her from fighting him again or moving while he propositioned her, and then he played her emotionally until she finally gave in albeit while still extremely depressed. There was certainly an element of pressuring going on, but at worst the ambiance of the whole scene made it reminiscent to something... less than desirable (Sebastian's overall demeanor at the time, his prior "incidents" with Beast (getting too close to her crotch without her consent and looking at her half naked without her knowing), and Beast's utter misery during the sex does not help at all).
** Then there is the "demons seducing humans into darkness" aspect that William/the manga brought up. While this does refer to how Beast fell for Sebastian's temptation no matter how she felt about/during/after it, another interpretation could be that Sebastian's demonic nature allows for him to easily and quickly manipulate people to the point [[QuestionableConsent they can no longer ration or refuse no matter their initial feelings,]] using the person's own weaknesses, no less. And even if there was truly no foul play going on, just remember this was all to gain information and Sebastian most likely had a clue on what was going to happen to Beast a little later...

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** Speaking of ''that'' infamous scene, just how Sebastian seduced Beast can be unsettling to some viewers. They were outside alone at night, he persisted both while she was at a low point and while it was obvious she wanted nothing to do with him, he constrained her to prevent her from fighting him again or moving while he propositioned her, and then he played her emotionally until she finally gave in albeit while still extremely depressed. There was certainly an element of pressuring [[ManipulativeBastard pressuring]] going on, but at worst the ambiance of the whole scene made it reminiscent to something... less than desirable (Sebastian's overall demeanor at the time, his prior "incidents" with Beast (getting too close to her crotch without her consent and looking at her half naked without her knowing), and Beast's utter misery during the sex does not help at all).
** Then there is the "demons seducing humans into darkness" aspect that William/the manga brought up. While this does refer to how Beast fell for Sebastian's temptation no matter how she felt about/during/after it, another interpretation could be that Sebastian's demonic nature allows for him to easily and quickly manipulate people to the point [[QuestionableConsent they can no longer ration reason or refuse an offer no matter their initial feelings,]] using the person's own weaknesses, no less. And even if there was truly no foul play going on, just remember this was all to gain information and Sebastian most likely had a clue on what was going to happen to Beast a little later...
12th Nov '16 4:16:15 PM M4r4
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** Speaking of ''that'' infamous scene, just how Sebastian seduced Beast can be unsettling to some viewers. They were outside alone at night, he persisted both while she was at a low point and while it was obvious she wanted nothing to do with him, he constrained her to prevent her from fighting him again or moving while he propositioned her, and then he played her emotionally until she finally gave in albeit while still extremely depressed. There was certainly an degree of pressuring going on, but at worst the ambiance of the whole scene made it reminiscent to something... less than desirable (Sebastian's overall demeanor at the time, his prior "incidents" with Beast (getting too close to her crotch without her consent and looking at her half naked without her knowing), and Beast's utter misery during the sex does not help at all).
** Then there is the "demons seducing humans into darkness" aspect that William brought up. While this does refer to how Beast ultimately fell for Sebastian's temptation no matter how she felt about/during/after it, another interpretation could be that Sebastian's demonic nature allows for him to easily and quickly manipulate (most) people to the point [[QuestionableConsent they can no longer refuse no matter their initial feelings,]] using the person's own weaknesses, no less. And even if there was truly no foul play going on, just remember this was all to gain information and Sebastian most likely had a clue on what was going to happen to Beast a little later...

to:

** Speaking of ''that'' infamous scene, just how Sebastian seduced Beast can be unsettling to some viewers. They were outside alone at night, he persisted both while she was at a low point and while it was obvious she wanted nothing to do with him, he constrained her to prevent her from fighting him again or moving while he propositioned her, and then he played her emotionally until she finally gave in albeit while still extremely depressed. There was certainly an degree element of pressuring going on, but at worst the ambiance of the whole scene made it reminiscent to something... less than desirable (Sebastian's overall demeanor at the time, his prior "incidents" with Beast (getting too close to her crotch without her consent and looking at her half naked without her knowing), and Beast's utter misery during the sex does not help at all).
** Then there is the "demons seducing humans into darkness" aspect that William William/the manga brought up. While this does refer to how Beast ultimately fell for Sebastian's temptation no matter how she felt about/during/after it, another interpretation could be that Sebastian's demonic nature allows for him to easily and quickly manipulate (most) people to the point [[QuestionableConsent they can no longer ration or refuse no matter their initial feelings,]] using the person's own weaknesses, no less. And even if there was truly no foul play going on, just remember this was all to gain information and Sebastian most likely had a clue on what was going to happen to Beast a little later...
12th Nov '16 4:12:37 PM M4r4
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** Speaking of ''that'' infamous scene, just how Sebastian seduced Beast can be unsettling to some viewers. They were outside alone at night, he persisted both while she was at a low point and while it was obvious she wanted nothing to do with him, he constrained her to prevent her from fighting him again or moving while he propositioned her, and then he played her emotionally until she finally gave in albeit while still extremely depressed. There was certainly an degree of pressuring going on, but at worst the ambiance of the whole scene made it reminiscent to something... less than desirable (Sebastian's overall demeanor at the time, his prior "incidents" with Beast (getting too close to her crotch without her consent and looking at her half naked without her knowing), and Beast looking absolutely miserable during the sex does not help at all).

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** Speaking of ''that'' infamous scene, just how Sebastian seduced Beast can be unsettling to some viewers. They were outside alone at night, he persisted both while she was at a low point and while it was obvious she wanted nothing to do with him, he constrained her to prevent her from fighting him again or moving while he propositioned her, and then he played her emotionally until she finally gave in albeit while still extremely depressed. There was certainly an degree of pressuring going on, but at worst the ambiance of the whole scene made it reminiscent to something... less than desirable (Sebastian's overall demeanor at the time, his prior "incidents" with Beast (getting too close to her crotch without her consent and looking at her half naked without her knowing), and Beast looking absolutely miserable Beast's utter misery during the sex does not help at all).
12th Nov '16 4:09:04 PM M4r4
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** Speaking of ''that'' infamous scene, just how Sebastian seduced Beast can be unsettling to some viewers. They were outside alone at night, he persisted both while she was at a low point and while it was obvious she wanted nothing to do with him, he constrained her twice so that she could try to fight him again or get away while he propositioned her, and then he played her emotionally until she finally gives in. There was certainly an degree of pressuring going on, but at worst the ambiance of the whole scene made it reminiscent to something... less than desirable (Sebastian's overall demeanor at the time, his prior "incidents" with Beast (getting too close to her crotch without her consent and looking at her half naked without her knowing), and Beast looking absolutely miserable during the sex does not help at all).

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** Speaking of ''that'' infamous scene, just how Sebastian seduced Beast can be unsettling to some viewers. They were outside alone at night, he persisted both while she was at a low point and while it was obvious she wanted nothing to do with him, he constrained her twice so that she could try to fight prevent her from fighting him again or get away moving while he propositioned her, and then he played her emotionally until she finally gives in.gave in albeit while still extremely depressed. There was certainly an degree of pressuring going on, but at worst the ambiance of the whole scene made it reminiscent to something... less than desirable (Sebastian's overall demeanor at the time, his prior "incidents" with Beast (getting too close to her crotch without her consent and looking at her half naked without her knowing), and Beast looking absolutely miserable during the sex does not help at all).
12th Nov '16 3:52:21 PM M4r4
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** Then there is the "demons seducing humans into darkness" aspect that William brought up. While this does refer to how Beast ultimately fell for Sebastian's temptation no matter how she felt about/during/after it, another interpretation could be that Sebastian's demonic nature allows for him to easily and quickly manipulate (most) people to the point [[QuestionableConsent they simply cannot refuse no matter their initial feelings,]] using the person's own weaknesses, no less. And even if there was truly no foul play going on, just remember this was all to gain information and Sebastian most likely had a clue on what was going to happen to Beast a little later...
** And then there's William simply observing as this goes down, no doubt knowing ''everything'' that was going to come of it. Bonus in that it was him preventing Sebastian from leaving for the night that led to both the above and ultimately the preceding events.

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** Then there is the "demons seducing humans into darkness" aspect that William brought up. While this does refer to how Beast ultimately fell for Sebastian's temptation no matter how she felt about/during/after it, another interpretation could be that Sebastian's demonic nature allows for him to easily and quickly manipulate (most) people to the point [[QuestionableConsent they simply cannot can no longer refuse no matter their initial feelings,]] using the person's own weaknesses, no less. And even if there was truly no foul play going on, just remember this was all to gain information and Sebastian most likely had a clue on what was going to happen to Beast a little later...
** And then there's William simply observing as this goes down, no doubt knowing ''everything'' that was going to come of it. Bonus in that it was him preventing Sebastian from leaving for the night that led to both the above and ultimately the preceding events.
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30th Oct '16 3:02:14 PM M4r4
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** Then there is the "demons seducing humans into darkness" aspect that William brought up. While this does refer to how Beast ultimately fell for Sebastian's temptation no matter how she felt about/during/after it, another interpretation could be that Sebastian's demonic nature allows for him to easily and quickly manipulate (most) people to the point [[QuestionableConsent they simply cannot refuse no matter their initial feelings,]] using the person's own weaknesses, no less. And even if there was truly no foul play going on, just remember this was all to gain information and that Sebastian most likely had a clue on what was going to happen to Beast (and everyone else) a little later...
** And then there's William simply observing as this goes down, no doubt knowing ''everything'' that was going to come of it given he is a shinigami. Bonus in that it was him preventing Sebastian from leaving for the night that led to both the above and the preceding events.

to:

** Then there is the "demons seducing humans into darkness" aspect that William brought up. While this does refer to how Beast ultimately fell for Sebastian's temptation no matter how she felt about/during/after it, another interpretation could be that Sebastian's demonic nature allows for him to easily and quickly manipulate (most) people to the point [[QuestionableConsent they simply cannot refuse no matter their initial feelings,]] using the person's own weaknesses, no less. And even if there was truly no foul play going on, just remember this was all to gain information and that Sebastian most likely had a clue on what was going to happen to Beast (and everyone else) a little later...
** And then there's William simply observing as this goes down, no doubt knowing ''everything'' that was going to come of it given he is a shinigami. it. Bonus in that it was him preventing Sebastian from leaving for the night that led to both the above and ultimately the preceding events.
30th Oct '16 2:58:48 PM M4r4
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** Speaking of which, how Sebastian went about seducing Beast can be disturbing to some viewers. They were outside alone at night, he persisted both while she was at a low point and while it was obvious she wanted nothing to do with him, he constrained her twice so that she could not move nor try to fight him again while he propositioned her, and then he played her emotionally until she finally gives in. At best there was certainly an degree of pressuring going on, but at worst the ambiance of the whole thing made it reminiscent to something... less than favorable (Sebastian's overall demeanor at the time, his prior "incidents" with Beast (getting too close to her crotch without her consent and looking at her half naked without her knowing), and Beast looking absolutely miserable during the sex does not help at all).
** Then there is the "demons seducing humans into darkness" aspect that William brought up. While this does refer to how Beast ultimately fell for Sebastian's temptation no matter how she felt about/during/after it, another interpretation could be that Sebastian's demonic nature allows for him to easily and quickly manipulate (most) people to the point [[QuestionableConsent they simply cannot refuse no matter their initial feelings,]] using the person's own weaknesses, no less. And even if there was truly no foul play going on, just remember this was all to gain information and that Sebastian probably had a clue on what was going to happen to Beast (and everyone else) a little later...
** And then there's William simply observing as this goes down, no doubt knowing ''everything'' that was going to come of it. Bonus in that it was him preventing Sebastian from leaving for the night that led to both the above and the preceding events.

to:

** Speaking of which, ''that'' infamous scene, just how Sebastian went about seducing seduced Beast can be disturbing unsettling to some viewers. They were outside alone at night, he persisted both while she was at a low point and while it was obvious she wanted nothing to do with him, he constrained her twice so that she could not move nor try to fight him again or get away while he propositioned her, and then he played her emotionally until she finally gives in. At best there There was certainly an degree of pressuring going on, but at worst the ambiance of the whole thing scene made it reminiscent to something... less than favorable desirable (Sebastian's overall demeanor at the time, his prior "incidents" with Beast (getting too close to her crotch without her consent and looking at her half naked without her knowing), and Beast looking absolutely miserable during the sex does not help at all).
** Then there is the "demons seducing humans into darkness" aspect that William brought up. While this does refer to how Beast ultimately fell for Sebastian's temptation no matter how she felt about/during/after it, another interpretation could be that Sebastian's demonic nature allows for him to easily and quickly manipulate (most) people to the point [[QuestionableConsent they simply cannot refuse no matter their initial feelings,]] using the person's own weaknesses, no less. And even if there was truly no foul play going on, just remember this was all to gain information and that Sebastian probably most likely had a clue on what was going to happen to Beast (and everyone else) a little later...
** And then there's William simply observing as this goes down, no doubt knowing ''everything'' that was going to come of it.it given he is a shinigami. Bonus in that it was him preventing Sebastian from leaving for the night that led to both the above and the preceding events.
27th Oct '16 9:23:35 PM M4r4
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** Speaking of which, really how Sebastian went about seducing Beast can be disturbing to some viewers. They were outside alone at night, he persisted both while she was at a low point and while it was obvious she wanted nothing to do with him, he constrained her twice so that she could not move nor try to fight him again while he propositioned her, and then he played her emotionally until she finally gives in. At best there was certainly an degree of pressuring going on, but at worst the ambiance of the whole thing makes it reminiscent to something... less than favorable (Sebastian's predator-like demeanor, choice of words, prior "incidents" with Beast (getting too close to her crotch without her consent and looking at her half naked without her knowing), and Beast looking absolutely miserable during the sex does not help at all).
** Then there is the "demons seducing humans into darkness" aspect that William brought up. While this does refer to how Beast ultimately fell for Sebastian's temptation no matter how she felt about/during/after it, a darker interpretation could be that Sebastian's demonic nature allows for him to easily manipulate (most) people to the point [[QuestionableConsent they simply cannot refuse no matter their initial feelings,]] using the person's own weaknesses, no less. And even if there was truly no foul play going on, just remember this was all to gain information and that Sebastian probably had a clue on what was going to happen to Beast (and everyone else) a little later...
** And then there's William simply observing as this goes on, no doubt knowing everything that was going to come of it. Bonus in that it was him preventing Sebastian from leaving for the night that led to this scenario.

to:

** Speaking of which, really how Sebastian went about seducing Beast can be disturbing to some viewers. They were outside alone at night, he persisted both while she was at a low point and while it was obvious she wanted nothing to do with him, he constrained her twice so that she could not move nor try to fight him again while he propositioned her, and then he played her emotionally until she finally gives in. At best there was certainly an degree of pressuring going on, but at worst the ambiance of the whole thing makes made it reminiscent to something... less than favorable (Sebastian's predator-like demeanor, choice of words, overall demeanor at the time, his prior "incidents" with Beast (getting too close to her crotch without her consent and looking at her half naked without her knowing), and Beast looking absolutely miserable during the sex does not help at all).
** Then there is the "demons seducing humans into darkness" aspect that William brought up. While this does refer to how Beast ultimately fell for Sebastian's temptation no matter how she felt about/during/after it, a darker another interpretation could be that Sebastian's demonic nature allows for him to easily and quickly manipulate (most) people to the point [[QuestionableConsent they simply cannot refuse no matter their initial feelings,]] using the person's own weaknesses, no less. And even if there was truly no foul play going on, just remember this was all to gain information and that Sebastian probably had a clue on what was going to happen to Beast (and everyone else) a little later...
** And then there's William simply observing as this goes on, down, no doubt knowing everything ''everything'' that was going to come of it. Bonus in that it was him preventing Sebastian from leaving for the night that led to this scenario.both the above and the preceding events.
26th Oct '16 9:15:51 PM M4r4
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** Then there is the "demons seducing humans into darkness" aspect that William brought up. While this does refer to how she ultimately fell for Sebastian's temptation no matter how she felt about/during/after it, a darker interpretation could be that Sebastian's demonic nature allows for him to easily manipulate (most) people to the point [[QuestionableConsent they simply cannot refuse no matter their initial feelings.]] And even if there was truly no foul play going on, just remember this was all to gain information and that Sebastian probably had a clue on what was going to happen to Beast (and everyone else) a little later...

to:

** Then there is the "demons seducing humans into darkness" aspect that William brought up. While this does refer to how she Beast ultimately fell for Sebastian's temptation no matter how she felt about/during/after it, a darker interpretation could be that Sebastian's demonic nature allows for him to easily manipulate (most) people to the point [[QuestionableConsent they simply cannot refuse no matter their initial feelings.]] feelings,]] using the person's own weaknesses, no less. And even if there was truly no foul play going on, just remember this was all to gain information and that Sebastian probably had a clue on what was going to happen to Beast (and everyone else) a little later...
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