History NightmareFuel / BlackButler

12th Aug '17 9:53:12 PM Monolaf317
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10th Aug '17 2:58:03 PM M4r4
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** To make things worse, it seems that once the contract has been made [[spoiler: if at any moment the demon believes it's contractee is in violation of their end of the bargain the demon will be free to eat their soul right then and there. Sebastian already demonstrated this in the Green Witch arc, and it could also be argued that, especially during "innocent" moments, he's constantly testing Ciel to make sure his soul is becoming darker and darker.]] And yes, WordOfGod indeed [[http://akumadeenglish.tumblr.com/post/163912797622/hey-is-there-a-translation-somewhere-of-a-tweet confirmed this.]]

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** To make things worse, it seems that once the contract has been made [[spoiler: if at any moment the demon believes it's contractee is in violation of their end of the bargain the demon will be free to eat their soul right then and there. there, and Sebastian already demonstrated this in the Green Witch arc, and it could also be argued that, especially during "innocent" moments, he's constantly testing Ciel to make sure his soul is becoming darker and darker.arc.]] And yes, WordOfGod indeed [[http://akumadeenglish.tumblr.com/post/163912797622/hey-is-there-a-translation-somewhere-of-a-tweet confirmed this.]]
10th Aug '17 2:55:17 PM M4r4
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* In general, entering into a contract with a demon causes a marking to appear somewhere on your body (like Ciel's eye). The more obvious/visible the area will give more power and make the contract stronger, all while making it easier for the demon to find you. And once you're branded, there is ''no'' getting rid of it, no means of escape.
** To make things worse, it seems that once the contract has been made [[spoiler: if at any moment the demon believes it's contractee is in violation of their end of the bargain the demon will be free to eat their soul right then and there. Sebastian already demonstrated this in the Green Witch arc, and it could also be argued that, especially during "innocent" moments, he's constantly testing Ciel to make sure his soul is becoming darker and darker.]]


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* In general, entering into a contract with a demon causes a marking to appear somewhere on your body (like Ciel's eye). The more obvious/visible the area will give more power and make the contract stronger, all while making it easier for the demon to find you. And once you're branded, there is ''no'' getting rid of it, no means of escape.
** To make things worse, it seems that once the contract has been made [[spoiler: if at any moment the demon believes it's contractee is in violation of their end of the bargain the demon will be free to eat their soul right then and there. Sebastian already demonstrated this in the Green Witch arc, and it could also be argued that, especially during "innocent" moments, he's constantly testing Ciel to make sure his soul is becoming darker and darker.]] And yes, WordOfGod indeed [[http://akumadeenglish.tumblr.com/post/163912797622/hey-is-there-a-translation-somewhere-of-a-tweet confirmed this.]]
5th Aug '17 5:54:30 PM M4r4
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* YMMV, but the sight of the kind-hearted, happy-go-lucky Soma [[spoiler: looking absolutely infuriated once he gains consciousness and learns Agni is indeed dead. It could almost be forgiven if one assumes he's willing to murder Agni's killer, who at this moment Soma could be mistaking Ciel for.]]
5th Aug '17 5:22:11 PM M4r4
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** Even worse is the "demons seducing humans into darkness" aspect that William/the manga brought up, especially the wording which sounded suspiciously like drugging. While this does refer to how Beast fell for Sebastian's temptation no matter how she felt about/during/after it, another interpretation could be that Sebastian's demonhood allows for him to know ''exactly'' how to easily and quickly manipulate his prey to the point it's nearly impossible for the target to reason or refuse an offer no matter their initial feelings, using their own weaknesses no less. And even if there was truly no foul play going on, just remember this was all to gain information and Sebastian most likely had a clue on what was going to happen to Beast a little later...
** And to top it off, remember that, again, '''Sebastian is a demon.''' Not only does this throw the affair even more (if not definitively) into rape territory (given not knowing exactly who/what you're sleeping with is deception which automatically nullifies any consent given), it also raises some questions into what could have happened had Beast managed to survive.

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** Even worse is the "demons seducing seduce then drag humans into darkness" aspect that William/the manga brought up, especially the wording which sounded suspiciously like drugging. up. While this does refer to how Beast fell for Sebastian's temptation no matter how she felt about/during/after it, another interpretation could be that Sebastian's demonhood allows for him to know ''exactly'' exactly how to easily and quickly manipulate his prey to the point it's nearly impossible for the target to reason or refuse an offer no matter their initial feelings, using their own weaknesses no less. And even if there was truly no foul play going on, just remember this was all to gain information and Sebastian most likely had a clue on what was going to happen to Beast a little later...
** And to top it off, remember that, again, '''Sebastian '''''Sebastian is a demon.''' ''''' Not only does this throw the affair even more (if not definitively) into rape territory (given not knowing exactly who/what you're sleeping with is deception which automatically nullifies any consent given), it also raises some questions into what could have happened had Beast managed to survive.survive [[note]] Assuming Sebastian indeed went that far, as heavily implied more in the anime.[[/note]]
23rd Jun '17 8:12:01 AM AzuraBlu22
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* Ch. 129:, by the time ''Ciel'' and Sebestian return to the manor, [[spoiler:''Ciel'' is horrify to see a strange that look exactly like him who claims to be the real Ciel. The reason why Ciel was scare of him, as if he had seen ghost it unknown, but it seems that he somehow know the real Ciel.]] He was completely speechless at the end of the chapter, frighten of his presence.

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* Ch. 129:, by the time ''Ciel'' and Sebestian return to the manor, [[spoiler:''Ciel'' is horrify to see a strange stranger that look exactly like him who claims to be the real Ciel. The reason why Ciel ''Ciel'' was scare of him, as if he had seen ghost it unknown, but it seems that he somehow know the real Ciel.]] He was completely speechless at the end of the chapter, frighten of his presence.
21st Jun '17 11:08:54 AM AzuraBlu22
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* Ch .129:, by the time ''Ciel'' and Sebestian return to the manor, [[spoiler:''Ciel'' is horrify to see a strange that look exactly like him who claims to be the real Ciel. The reason why Ciel was scare of him, as if he had seen ghost it unknown, but it seems that he somehow know the real Ciel.]] He was completely speechless at the end of the chapter, frighten of his presence.

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* Ch .Ch. 129:, by the time ''Ciel'' and Sebestian return to the manor, [[spoiler:''Ciel'' is horrify to see a strange that look exactly like him who claims to be the real Ciel. The reason why Ciel was scare of him, as if he had seen ghost it unknown, but it seems that he somehow know the real Ciel.]] He was completely speechless at the end of the chapter, frighten of his presence.
21st Jun '17 11:00:10 AM AzuraBlu22
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* Ch .129:, by the time ''Ciel'' and Sebestian return to the manor, [[spoiler:''Ciel'' is horrify to see a strange that look exactly like him who claims to be the real Ciel. The reason why Ciel was scare of him, as if he had seen ghost it unknown, but it seems that he somehow know the real Ciel.]] He was completely speechless at the end of the chapter, frighten of his presence.
7th Jun '17 10:29:58 AM M4r4
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** Speaking of the infamous scene, just how Sebastian seduced Beast can be unsettling to some viewers. They were outside alone at night, he persisted both while she was at a low point and while it was obvious she wanted nothing to do with him, he constrained her to prevent her from fighting or moving while he propositioned her, and then he emotionally breaks her until she finally gave in.[[ManipulativeBastard Manipulation/Pressuring]] at its most finest and darkest, and the overall ambiance of the scene (Sebastian's demeanor at the time, his prior "incidents" with Beast (getting too close to her crotch when he needed not to and without her consent), and Beast's misery during the sex) did not help at all.

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** Speaking of the infamous scene, just how Sebastian seduced Beast can be unsettling to some viewers. They were outside alone at night, he persisted both while she was at a low point and while it was obvious she wanted nothing to do with him, he constrained her to prevent her from fighting attacking or moving while he propositioned her, and then he emotionally ''emotionally breaks her her'' until she finally gave in.in. [[ManipulativeBastard Manipulation/Pressuring]] at its most finest and darkest, and the overall ambiance of the scene (Sebastian's demeanor at the time, his prior "incidents" with Beast (getting too close to her crotch when he needed not to and without her consent), and Beast's misery uncomfort/misery during the sex) did not help at all.
4th Jun '17 2:38:40 PM M4r4
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** And to top it off, remember that, again, ''Sebastian is a demon.'' Not only does this throw the affair even more (if not definitively)into rape territory (given not knowing exactly who/what you're sleeping with is deception which automatically nullifies any consent given), it raises some questions of what could have possibly happened had Beast actually survived.

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** And to top it off, remember that, again, ''Sebastian '''Sebastian is a demon.'' ''' Not only does this throw the affair even more (if not definitively)into definitively) into rape territory (given not knowing exactly who/what you're sleeping with is deception which automatically nullifies any consent given), it also raises some questions of into what could have possibly happened had Beast actually survived.managed to survive.
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