History NightmareFuel / BabylonFive

28th Mar '18 5:17:19 AM KoshAndSheridan
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** Likely meant to embody "the banality of evil," something observed about Eichmann or some other Nazi war criminals who simply did such things [[ForMeItWasTuesday in a normal]] [[PunchclockVillain day's work]]. And yes it is a particularly scary embodiment of sociopathy.

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** Likely meant to embody "the banality of evil," something observed about Eichmann at his trial, or some other Nazi war criminals who simply did such things [[ForMeItWasTuesday [[ButForMeItWasTuesday in a normal]] [[PunchclockVillain day's work]]. And yes it is a particularly scary embodiment of sociopathy.
28th Mar '18 5:13:49 AM KoshAndSheridan
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** Likely meant to embody "the banality of evil," something observed about Eichmann or some other Nazi war criminals who simply did such things [[ForMeItWasTuesday in a normal]] [[PunchclockVillain day's work]]. And yes it is a particularly scary embodiment of sociopathy.
9th Dec '17 1:19:56 PM EDP
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** The Centauri-Orieni War. This is the war they invented the mass driver for, and between them and their enemies doing the same (just less efficiently) dozens of worlds were made uninhabitable as ''collateral damage'' (the bombardments were aimed at military targets on the planets)-and the only reason the Orieni aren't extinct is that the Centauri [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone went back to their senses as they were about to attack their homeworld and accepted their surrender]], at which point they proceeded to ban it.

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** The Centauri-Orieni War. This is the war they invented the mass driver for, and between them and their enemies doing the same (just less efficiently) dozens of worlds were made uninhabitable as ''collateral damage'' (the bombardments were aimed at military targets on the planets)-and the only reason the Orieni aren't extinct is that the Centauri [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone went back to their senses as they were about to attack their homeworld and accepted their surrender]], at which point they proceeded to disassemble the Orieni military power-and included a ban it.on use of mass drivers against planetary targets in the treaty, before spearheading treaties banning it with the future League of Non-Aligned Worlds.


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** The Dilgar War. With the Dilgar being basically space Nazi, only ''worse''... And trying desperately to find a new homeworld before their sun goes nova, as it does two years after the war ended and Earth Alliance took away their ways to leave their home system.
*** Early in the war, the Dilgar had found an ideal homeworld in Mitoc. It was effectively an idealized version of the Dilgar homeworld, complete with the native as a slave population (at least they'd survive). Later, the Liberation Fleet composed of the [=EarthForce=] expeditionary force and what the free League Worlds can spare, is on the verge of breaching its defenses and land troops to free it... And the Dilgar, out of nowhere, hit the planet with enough nukes and mass driver strikes to collapse the environment and exterminate everyone on it, ''including their own civilians''. As the Dilgar commanders all died in the war (except Jha'dur, who was kidnapped by the Minbari) and the records were destroyed during the fall of Omelos (the Dilgar homeworld), nobody knows why they did it.
9th Dec '17 12:38:02 PM EDP
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* A number of conflicts fought without Shadow or Vorlon involvement in the backstory:
** The Garmak-Minbari War, fought when [[BullyingTheDragon the Garmak mistook the Minbari for a paper tiger and raided them]]. There's two versions of it, but both are horrifying in their own way:
*** The first version saw the Garmak fight the Minbari for four years before losing (it helped the Minbari were still recovering from the previous Shadow War)... But whatever the Minbari did in the final offensive not only left the Garmak so weak the fledgling Centauri Republic could just waltz in, conquer everything with little or no resistance and reverse-engineer their technology, it the single event that, after hundreds of years, ''still'' terrifies the Centauri.
*** The second version had the Centauri assemble their forces to take on the Garmak, jump in a system with a large concentration of Garmak ships, charge their weapons... And then look in horror as some unknown ships jumped in, [[CurbStompBattle annihilated the Garmak]], and left. After other races identified the mystery aliens as the Minbari and explained they didn't attack unless provoked, the Centauri slowly explored Garmak space-and found only ruins. Again, this is the single event that left the Centauri terrified of the Minbari for centuries to come.
*** The aftermath in both cases: Garmak space was what is now most of Earth Alliance, and when humanity ventured into it they found the ruins of the ''Centauri settlements abandoned after a civil war in the 21st century''. Of the Garmak, nothing remained.
** The brief confrontation between the Streib and the Minbari. As per their modus operandi, the Streib attacked Minbari civilian ships, took prisoners, and experimented on them. All we know of the Minbari reaction comes from Delenn saying they "tracked them back to their homeworld and made sure they understood the depth of their mistake"-and that it took them centuries to dare and show their face around once again-[[TooDumbToLive at which point they resumed their raids and targeted Earth Alliance under Clark]]. [[NothingIsScarier They don't appear or are mentioned anymore after this]].
** The Centauri-Orieni War. This is the war they invented the mass driver for, and between them and their enemies doing the same (just less efficiently) dozens of worlds were made uninhabitable as ''collateral damage'' (the bombardments were aimed at military targets on the planets)-and the only reason the Orieni aren't extinct is that the Centauri [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone went back to their senses as they were about to attack their homeworld and accepted their surrender]], at which point they proceeded to ban it.
*** The Drakh got involved at one point, manipulating the Orieni (who worshiped the Vorlon as gods) into losing the war faster and more devastatingly and retreating to the planet they used as base back in the day. Then the Orieni realized the Drakh weren't just traitorous allies but Shadow minions. The Drakh don't have a planet base anymore.
*** This conflict was an order of magnitude more devastating than the final Shadow War.
** The Centauri civil war in the 21st century. It weakened them enough they had to abandon most of what is now the League and Earth Alliance... And the planets claimed by Earth Alliance had no inhabitant, only ruins.
9th Aug '17 9:31:51 PM weirdfantasy
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** And ''then''. There's the fear that the Soul Hunters invoke with just their presence. They like to pop up when they ''know'' someone important is about to die. As in these bastards ''instinctively'' know when someone's gonna die, even if that person has no idea. As individuals, they aren't any less vulnerable than the average intelligent species. However, if one sees their ships hanging around, it isn't because they really want just the one soul; [[OhCrap they're there to mop up all the loose souls once the massacre is over]]. No one takes notice of Soul Hunter ships once the killing begins, and, when it's all over, there's no one around to stop them.
28th Jun '17 8:42:54 PM OccasionalExister
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** The ending of the episode is particularly brutal. Sheridan's spent the entire episode being tortured by Clark's regime, his torturer a bureaucrat who tries to make Sheridan confess that alien influence compelled his rebellion. After being tortured viciously and continually refusing to break and sign the confession, his torturer urgently presses that it's last chance before he's sent to Room 17 to be executed. Sheridan refuses and is wheeled to Room 17. [[spoiler:Where he's secured to a chair and a completely new bureaucratic torturer comes into the room to begin the cycle of torture all over again, repeating the exact same opening speech the first torturer said verbatim.]]
19th Jun '17 2:52:59 PM Ilya_Rysenkov
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** Ivanova's mother was made to do that. She killed herself.
24th Dec '16 2:39:00 PM EDP
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** The na'kaleen feeder from "Grail" combines this with the Soldier of Darkness. The Centauri quarantined an entire planet just to contain the threat this entity posed, and they're one of the more advanced races of the B5-verse.

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** The na'kaleen feeder Na'kaleen Feeder from "Grail" combines this with the Soldier of Darkness. The Centauri quarantined an entire planet just to contain the threat this entity posed, and they're one of the more advanced races of the B5-verse.
24th Dec '16 2:37:54 PM EDP
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* The four ways for OrbitalBombardment that don't involve using standard weapons:
** The mass driver [[ColonyDrop drops asteroids on the target planet]]. It was so bad that the Centauri (who invented it) ''made treaties to ban its use against planets'' after the war they invented it for ended with numerous worlds made uninhabitable as ''collateral damage''-and when Refa broke the treaty even other Centauri are disgusted, even if it was being used against the wholly hated Narn.
** The Vorlon Planet Killer: a simple ship with [[WaveMotionGun a cannon so powerful that it makes planets uninhabitable with one shot]]. They have at least two of these.
** The ''Shadow'' Planet Killer, also known as the [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Death Cloud]]: an ''immense'' ship made of smaller components that fire missiles that burrow in the target world's surface until they reach the mantle, at which point they explode with enough strength to ''shatter the surface''. Again, they have at least two of these.
** The antimatter converter, [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin whose beam turns the target's surface into antimatter]] and lets it react to the non-converted matter in contact with it. A single standard-sized ship armed with this can lay waste to a planet in hours. Two races have it: the Vree, who reverse-engineered it from relics, and the Minbari, who invented it before or during the last Shadow War. That's right: the Minbari invented a device that's possibly more horrifying than the Shadow Planet Killer ''when they were far less advanced than they're now''.
22nd Dec '16 10:13:39 PM ADrago
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* {{Hyperspace|IsAScaryPlace}}: Everything is a bright swirling mess, currents pushing ships this way and that, if you lose your navigation systems or your engines, you will drift off the plotted route and will, in all likelihood, be LostForever. Even in the event of full-scale war, very few of the races are willing to fight in Hyperspace for this reason.

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* {{Hyperspace|IsAScaryPlace}}: Everything is a bright swirling mess, currents pushing ships this way and that, if you lose your navigation systems or your engines, you will drift off the plotted route and will, in all likelihood, be LostForever.lost forever. Even in the event of full-scale war, very few of the races are willing to fight in Hyperspace for this reason.
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