History NeverLiveItDown / RealLife

19th Sep '17 12:31:37 AM Kadorhal
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** Outside his own country, his reputation is [[SubvertedTrope significantly better]]-- if he's remembered at all, it's for ''Literature/CreationManAndTheMessiah''.

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** Outside his own country, his reputation is [[SubvertedTrope significantly better]]-- better]] -- if he's remembered at all, it's for ''Literature/CreationManAndTheMessiah''.



** Similarly, Vaughn Meader, a best-selling comedian whose key act was his spot-on impersonation of UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy (one of his albums, ''The First Family'', sold millions). [[FunnyAneurysmMoment Then Kennedy got assassinated]], [[http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,435135,00.html and his career was over]], since no one could think of him doing anything else. Creator/LennyBruce opened his first performance after the assassination with "Whew! Vaughn Meader is '''screwed!'''"

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** Similarly, Vaughn Meader, a best-selling comedian whose key act was his spot-on impersonation of UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy (one of his albums, ''The First Family'', sold millions). [[FunnyAneurysmMoment Then Kennedy got assassinated]], [[http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,435135,00.html and his career was over]], since no one could think of him doing anything else. Creator/LennyBruce supposedly opened his first performance just hours after the assassination with "Whew! a long period of silence for Kennedy... and then casually commenting "boy, is Vaughn Meader is '''screwed!'''"fucked."
16th Sep '17 1:31:19 PM ArJayKay
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* Opponents of Communism similarly won't fail to mention Stalin's purges of Mao's Great Leap Forward. Barring that, they will mention TheGreatPoliticalMessUp.

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* Opponents of Communism similarly won't fail to mention Stalin's purges of or Mao's Great Leap Forward. Barring that, they will mention TheGreatPoliticalMessUp.
10th Sep '17 9:34:35 AM onebossonesnake
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* He acted in spaghetti westerns. He was the official pitchman for Nestlé Quik chocolate-milk mix. He even was offered the part of James Bond in ''Film/OnHerMajestysSecretService''. Doesn't matter one lick, because, to fanboys, the late Creator/AdamWest will always bear the stigma of being the guy who made ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'' camp and silly. [[AdamWesting (Not that he hadn't played along with the stereotype since then, mind you.)]]

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* He acted in spaghetti westerns. He was the official pitchman for Nestlé Quik chocolate-milk mix. He even was offered the part of James Bond in ''Film/OnHerMajestysSecretService''. Doesn't matter one lick, because, to fanboys, the fanboys who can't escape the ultra gritty 90's, the late Creator/AdamWest will always bear the stigma of being the guy who made ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'' camp and silly. [[AdamWesting (Not that he hadn't played along with the stereotype since then, mind you.)]]
8th Sep '17 3:37:00 PM JulianLapostat
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* Opponents of Communism similarly won't fail to mention Stalin's purges of Mao's Great Leap Forward, or how these events each individually killed more people than all the axis powers' mass murders combined. Barring that, they will mention TheGreatPoliticalMessUp.

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* Opponents of Communism similarly won't fail to mention Stalin's purges of Mao's Great Leap Forward, or how these events each individually killed more people than all the axis powers' mass murders combined.Forward. Barring that, they will mention TheGreatPoliticalMessUp.
8th Sep '17 3:35:30 PM Caps-luna
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* Opponents of Communism similarly won't fail to mention Stalin's purges of Mao's Great Leap Forward, or how these events each individually killed more people than all the axis powers' mass murders combined. Barring that, they will mention TheGreatPoliticalMessUp.
5th Sep '17 8:40:01 PM ironballs16
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** His most recent snafu came during the Iraq War in 2003, as he drew an impromptu map of his position... while embedded with 101st Airborne, [[WhatAnIdiot effectively giving away their position to any Iraqi military members watching]].
5th Sep '17 7:56:33 PM ironballs16
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** Not to mention the fact he voted ''against'' the [[UsefulNotes/CivilRightsMovement Civil Rights Act of 1964]], believing the dispositions related to the private businesses were unconstitutional. The fact he previously voted for previous civil rights bills in 1957 and 1960, desegregated the Arizona Air National Guard and the Phoenix schools in 1945, and was member of the Urban League and the NAACP, whose Arizona section he helped to found, didn't prevent him being compared to Southern segregationists such as James Eastland. The fact UsefulNotes/KuKluxKlan leaders [[http://www.livingroomcandidate.org/commercials/1964/kkk openly supported him]] didn't help things.

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** Not to mention the fact he voted ''against'' the [[UsefulNotes/CivilRightsMovement Civil Rights Act of 1964]], believing the dispositions related to the private businesses were unconstitutional. The fact he previously voted for previous civil rights bills in 1957 and 1960, desegregated the Arizona Air National Guard and the Phoenix schools in 1945, and was member of the Urban League and the NAACP, whose Arizona section he helped to found, didn't prevent him being compared to Southern segregationists such as James Eastland. The fact UsefulNotes/KuKluxKlan leaders [[http://www.livingroomcandidate.org/commercials/1964/kkk openly supported him]] [[YourApprovalFillsMeWithShame didn't help things.things]].
5th Sep '17 7:40:39 PM ironballs16
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** He also had "Hoovervilles", [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hooverville impromptu slums that sprang up due to the burgeoning homeless population]], named after him.
4th Sep '17 3:32:26 PM Kadorhal
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** Not to mention the fact he voted ''against'' the [[UsefulNotes/CivilRightsMovement Civil Rights Act of 1964]], believing the dispositions related to the private businesses were unconstitutional. The fact he previously voted for previous civil rights bills on 1957 and 1960, desegreated the Arizona Air National Guard on 1945 and the Phoenix schools and was member of the Urban League and the NAACP, whose Arizona section he helped to found, didn't prevent him being compared to Southern segregationists such as James Eastland. The fact UsefulNotes/KuKluxKlan leaders [[http://www.livingroomcandidate.org/commercials/1964/kkk openly supported him]] didn't help things.

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** Not to mention the fact he voted ''against'' the [[UsefulNotes/CivilRightsMovement Civil Rights Act of 1964]], believing the dispositions related to the private businesses were unconstitutional. The fact he previously voted for previous civil rights bills on in 1957 and 1960, desegreated desegregated the Arizona Air National Guard on 1945 and the Phoenix schools in 1945, and was member of the Urban League and the NAACP, whose Arizona section he helped to found, didn't prevent him being compared to Southern segregationists such as James Eastland. The fact UsefulNotes/KuKluxKlan leaders [[http://www.livingroomcandidate.org/commercials/1964/kkk openly supported him]] didn't help things.



* James E. "Jimmy" Brock never lived down this day of June 18, 1964, when he poured acid in the White-only swimming pool of his motel [[WouldHurtAChild in order to make Black children leave]] and was [[http://rarehistoricalphotos.com/motel-manager-pouring-acid-water-black-people-swam-pool-1964/ photographied doing so]], to the point [[http://staugustine.com/stories/091307/news_4835421.shtml most of his obituary is devoted to this incident]].

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* James E. "Jimmy" Brock never lived down this day of June 18, 18th, 1964, when he poured muriatic acid in the White-only whites-only swimming pool of his motel [[WouldHurtAChild in order to make Black children leave]] scare black swimmers into leaving]] and was [[http://rarehistoricalphotos.com/motel-manager-pouring-acid-water-black-people-swam-pool-1964/ photographied photographed doing so]], to the point [[http://staugustine.com/stories/091307/news_4835421.shtml most of his obituary is devoted to this incident]].



* The Apostle Peter. Despite everything else in his life, and despite being considered a saint by the Catholic Church and dying as a martyr, is mostly known for lacking faith and denying Jesus. (Unless you're Catholic; the first thing that pops into your head may be "[[UsefulNotes/ThePope Pope]]". But aside from the "keys of heaven" and the inverted cross, traditional iconography still links him with the cock that crowed at his denial.)
* Saint Thomas. The only apostle of Jesus known to preach the word outside of the Roman empire (he headed for India and to this day followers are called Thomas Christians). Only witness of the assumption of Mary into heaven. Purported author of the most controversial non-canon Gospels. Still best known for the whole "Doubting" thing.
* Judas Iscariot. All the stuff he must have done as one of Jesus' disciples before his FaceHeelTurn (like preaching in pairs) is all but glossed over and people remember him best for his betrayal. The name Judas itself has never lived him down, becoming synonymous with traitor. In English Bible translations, the other Judas among the twelve apostles thus has his name rendered "Jude" while their names are identical in the Greek manuscripts.
* Pontius Pilate is only known for one thing: ordering the execution of Jesus Christ. This is especially bad as all four Gospels indicate he actually ''didn't'' order or even particularly want to execute Jesus; he only relented and let the crowd do what they wanted because [[ConvictedByPublicOpinion they would not have any other outcome]]. At least, that's what the Gospels say. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement Without contesting their supposed divine inspiration or lack thereof]], biblical historians have pretty good reasons to believe otherwise (including Flavius Josephus depicting him as a quite ruthless prefect who would basically have no reason to have such qualms, or the fact that Messiah clamaints tended to consider themselves the true kings of Judea and, subsequently, to lead rebellions against Roman rule). And it certainly doesn't help that mainly blaming the Jews for the execution was pretty much the basis of centuries of Christian antisemitism, which can be considered one of the darkest examples of this trope in history. That said, recent interpretations do indicate that the events leading up to the execution really did happen--just not quite as the Gospels indicate--and an explanation of Pilate's OOC behavior can be inferred from the fact that just before Jesus's arrest Sejanus, who had according to historical records used him in a plot to install Herod Antipas as King of Judea, and was the one who had installed Pilate as prefect in the first place, had been executed for treason, leaving all of his allies, Pilate included, particularly vulnerable.

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* The Apostle Peter. Despite everything else in his life, and despite being considered a saint by the Catholic Church and dying as a martyr, is mostly known for lacking faith and denying Jesus. (Unless Unless you're Catholic; the first thing that pops into your head may be "[[UsefulNotes/ThePope Pope]]". But aside from the "keys of heaven" and the inverted cross, traditional iconography still links him with the cock that crowed at his denial.)
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* Saint Thomas. The only apostle of Jesus known to preach the word outside of the Roman empire (he headed for India India, and to this day followers are called Thomas Christians). Only witness of the assumption of Mary into heaven. Purported author of the most controversial non-canon Gospels. Still best known for the whole "Doubting" thing.
* Judas Iscariot. All the stuff he must have done as one of Jesus' disciples before his FaceHeelTurn (like preaching in pairs) is all but glossed over and people remember him best for his betrayal. The name Judas itself has never lived him down, becoming synonymous with traitor. In English Bible translations, the other Judas among the twelve apostles thus has his name rendered "Jude" "Jude", while their names are identical in the Greek manuscripts.
* Pontius Pilate is only known for one thing: ordering the execution of Jesus Christ. This is especially bad as all four Gospels indicate he actually ''didn't'' order or even particularly want to execute Jesus; he only relented and let the crowd do what they wanted because [[ConvictedByPublicOpinion they would not have any other outcome]]. At least, that's what the Gospels say. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement Without contesting their supposed divine inspiration or lack thereof]], biblical historians have pretty good reasons to believe otherwise (including Flavius Josephus depicting him as a quite ruthless prefect who would basically have no reason to have such qualms, or the fact that Messiah clamaints tended to consider themselves the true kings of Judea and, subsequently, to lead rebellions against Roman rule). And it certainly doesn't help that mainly blaming the Jews for the execution was pretty much the basis of centuries of Christian antisemitism, which can be considered one of the darkest examples of this trope in history. That said, recent interpretations do indicate that the events leading up to the execution really did happen--just happen -- just not quite as the Gospels indicate--and indicate -- and an explanation of Pilate's OOC behavior can be inferred from the fact that just before Jesus's arrest Sejanus, who had according to historical records used him in a plot to install Herod Antipas as King of Judea, and was the one who had installed Pilate as prefect in the first place, had been executed for treason, leaving all of his allies, Pilate included, particularly vulnerable.
31st Aug '17 6:12:41 AM JujuP
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* Thanks to the "Daisy Girl" ad, Barry Goldwater is now chiefly remembered as an advocate of potentially apocalyptic nuclear war, and for losing a Presidential election over it. That he suppressed the ad after its initial broadcast [[StreisandEffect apparently didn't help matters]]. He isn't even particularly remembered for having basically invented the modern conservative movement in the United States, because conservatives tend to credit this to [[UsefulNotes/RonaldReagan other people]].

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* Thanks to the [[http://www.livingroomcandidate.org/commercials/1964/peace-little-girl-daisy "Daisy Girl" Girl"]] ad, Barry Goldwater is now chiefly remembered as an advocate of potentially apocalyptic nuclear war, and for losing a Presidential election over it. That he suppressed the ad after its initial broadcast [[StreisandEffect apparently didn't help matters]]. He isn't even particularly remembered for having basically invented the modern conservative movement in the United States, because conservatives tend to credit this to [[UsefulNotes/RonaldReagan other people]].people]].
** Not to mention the fact he voted ''against'' the [[UsefulNotes/CivilRightsMovement Civil Rights Act of 1964]], believing the dispositions related to the private businesses were unconstitutional. The fact he previously voted for previous civil rights bills on 1957 and 1960, desegreated the Arizona Air National Guard on 1945 and the Phoenix schools and was member of the Urban League and the NAACP, whose Arizona section he helped to found, didn't prevent him being compared to Southern segregationists such as James Eastland. The fact UsefulNotes/KuKluxKlan leaders [[http://www.livingroomcandidate.org/commercials/1964/kkk openly supported him]] didn't help things.




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* James E. "Jimmy" Brock never lived down this day of June 18, 1964, when he poured acid in the White-only swimming pool of his motel [[WouldHurtAChild in order to make Black children leave]] and was [[http://rarehistoricalphotos.com/motel-manager-pouring-acid-water-black-people-swam-pool-1964/ photographied doing so]], to the point [[http://staugustine.com/stories/091307/news_4835421.shtml most of his obituary is devoted to this incident]].
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