History NeverLiveItDown / REALLIFE

14th Feb '17 1:01:59 AM ryanasaurus0077
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* Kitty Genovese will be forever remembered for the embarrassing way she died--she was assaulted and violated to death, and nobody who was a witness bothered to do anything to help her, aside from a few witnesses calling the police. What nobody mentions is that she was assaulted and killed in an out-of-the-way location, and most of the witnesses had no idea the crime was anything worse than a loud argument. Worse, in part because of the latter detail, her death is remembered far more than her life ever was.

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* Kitty Genovese will be forever remembered for the embarrassing way she died--she was assaulted and violated to death, and nobody who was a witness bothered to do anything to help her, aside from a few witnesses calling the police. What nobody mentions is that she was assaulted and killed in an out-of-the-way location, and most of the witnesses had no idea the crime was anything worse than a loud argument. Worse, in part because of the latter detail, embarrassing circumstances thereof, her death is remembered far more than her life ever was.
11th Feb '17 6:12:18 PM Derleth
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* Kitty Genovese will be forever remembered for the embarrassing way she died--she was assaulted and violated to death, and nobody who was a witness bothered to do anything to help her. Worse, in part because of the latter detail, her death is remembered far more than her life ever was.

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* Kitty Genovese will be forever remembered for the embarrassing way she died--she was assaulted and violated to death, and nobody who was a witness bothered to do anything to help her.her, aside from a few witnesses calling the police. What nobody mentions is that she was assaulted and killed in an out-of-the-way location, and most of the witnesses had no idea the crime was anything worse than a loud argument. Worse, in part because of the latter detail, her death is remembered far more than her life ever was.
10th Feb '17 8:07:03 AM BrendanRizzo
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** He isn't even particularly remembered for having basically invented the modern conservative movement in the United States, because conservatives tend to credit this to [[UsefulNotes/RonaldReagan other people]].
8th Feb '17 1:11:12 AM DialgaX
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* New Jersey is often stigmatized as a dirty, polluted and smelly location thanks to the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syringe_Tide medical waste]] that washed up on shore in the late 1980s.
7th Feb '17 2:46:25 PM TheJJBL
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* To the man on the street, UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte is not recalled for being a MagnificentBastard, a military genius, for rising from very little to become the most powerful man in the world before he was thirty-five, or for establishing the Napoleonic Code. To the public at large, he's simply [[TheNapoleon that short guy]]. In reality, he wasn't even short. That idea was mostly spread by British propaganda, confusion with unit measurements, and the fact that he surrounded himself with huge bodyguards that would make most people look short in comparison. People also like to depict him with his hand in his vest to a pathological degree. While he did do that in many official portraits, he did it because it was the style at the time.

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* To the man on the street, UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte is not recalled for being a MagnificentBastard, a military genius, for rising from very little to become the most powerful man in the world emperor of France before he was thirty-five, or for establishing the Napoleonic Code. To the public at large, he's simply [[TheNapoleon that short guy]]. In reality, he wasn't even short. That idea was mostly spread by British propaganda, confusion with unit measurements, and the fact that he surrounded himself with huge bodyguards that would make most people look short in comparison. People also like to depict him with his hand in his vest to a pathological degree. While he did do that in many official portraits, he did it because it was the style at the time.
29th Jan '17 9:36:06 PM ryanasaurus0077
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* Any weapon subject to a high-profile malfunction gets this sort of stigma associated with it, justifiably or not. The Walther PPK was famed as a concealed-carry sidearm for decades (particularly thanks to the antics of Franchise/JamesBond ever since he switched from a .25 Beretta to it in 1958's ''Literature/DrNo''), but as soon as one jammed on Inspector James Beaton during [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne,_Princess_Royal#Kidnapping_attempt a kidnapping attempt on Princess Anne in March of '74]], the pistol was all but entirely withdrawn from every service that used it. The [=XM25=] CDTE had tested very well and started seeing preliminary deployment in Afghanistan, then after a single one misfired and injured the user in early 2013, ''all'' of them were pulled from service and the program had its funding cut due to "unreliable performance", pushing potential adoption back to 2017 at the absolute earliest.

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* Any weapon subject to a high-profile malfunction gets this sort of stigma associated with it, justifiably or not. The Walther PPK was famed as a concealed-carry sidearm for decades (particularly thanks to the antics of Franchise/JamesBond ever since he switched from a .25 Beretta to it in 1958's ''Literature/DrNo''), ''Literature/DrNo'', itself because of a reliability problem that nearly got him killed in the previous novel), but as soon as one jammed on Inspector James Beaton during [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne,_Princess_Royal#Kidnapping_attempt a kidnapping attempt on Princess Anne in March of '74]], the pistol was all but entirely withdrawn from every service that used it. The [=XM25=] CDTE had tested very well and started seeing preliminary deployment in Afghanistan, then after a single one misfired and injured the user in early 2013, ''all'' of them were pulled from service and the program had its funding cut due to "unreliable performance", pushing potential adoption back to 2017 at the absolute earliest.
27th Jan '17 3:04:07 PM Kadorhal
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** The Dunblane shooting is slowly shaking this, thanks to the fame of its most notable survivor - [[UsefulNotes/{{Tennis}} tennis star Andy Murray]].
* The ''[[UsefulNotes/BritishNewspapers Daily Mail]]'' will never live down how it once supported Hitler's Nazis; some people argue that it still ''does''.

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** The Dunblane shooting is slowly shaking this, thanks to the fame of its most notable survivor - [[UsefulNotes/{{Tennis}} tennis UsefulNotes/{{tennis}} star Andy Murray]].
Murray.
* The ''[[UsefulNotes/BritishNewspapers Daily Mail]]'' will never live down how [[GodwinsLaw it once supported Hitler's Nazis; Nazis]]; some people argue that it still ''does''.



* The M16 series has been the United States military's mainstay for half a century now. Thanks to both attempted sabotage and less-than-intelligent design decisions made before and during UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar where it was first fielded as a military weapon, it has a reputation that would suggest it can't even fire a full magazine without some form of problem rendering it unusable (especially when compared to the "leave it in a swamp for a month and it'll still fire" AK-47s it was fighting against at the time). Note that the guys in Army Ordnance recommended 117 improvements be made to the weapon before it was adopted. These changes included everything from chroming the bore, adding a gas piston, simplifying the bolt design, to changing the rifling twist rate. All of them were rejected with the response that if such things were needed, then Eugene Stoner would have put them there in the first place (ignoring that Stoner himself later ''did'' insist that these improvements were necessary). The M16 is as much a product of a political slapfight as it was experimental engineering.
** The M16's direct-impingement gas operation has fallen to the same reputation, accused of being or implied to be the sole reason any issues exist in weapons that use it, and almost every AR-15 derivative has used a gas piston instead. Even on this very wiki, other weapons with direct-impingement systems like the [[CoolGuns/{{Rifles}} French MAS-49]] are noted as having the "problem" of simply ''being'' direct-impingement designs, despite the MAS-49 actually having been famous for its ability to go weeks at a time with only rudimentary cleaning - even in the kinds of harsh environments that the earliest models of the later M16 failed in.
* And speaking of the AK-47, the AK series is probably never going to live down the fact that it is the most widely used assault rifle amongst terrorists, criminals and insurgents. Never mind that it is the basis of almost every assault rifle, SMG and marksman's firearm East of Germany and a few to the West, or that the AK-47 and its derivatives are used by just as many military and police agencies.
** The AK-47 and its variants will also never live down the reputation for being inaccurate, with people seriously arguing that it's little better than an SMG. The AK-47 is inaccurate for an ''assault rifle'', which is meant to work at intermediate range (between 50 and 400 meters). But it's still a rifle, not an SMG or a shotgun, and it is sufficiently accurate when you know how to use it (i.e., aim down the sights, squeeze the trigger, apply basic shooting technique, adjust the sights, zero your sights, not spray it on full auto; anything one would do with any other rifle).
** A lot of complaints about the AK's perceived unreliability come from the fact that Mikhail Kalashnikov ''never patented it''. Which means anyone with a foundry can start making them. This has led to some questionable knock-offs, which contribute to this reputation. For instance, one cannot compare, say, a Soviet-issue AK with a scratch-built copy made in a jungle factory in Angola.
* The M9 pistol, the sidearm of most branches of the US military since 1985, has also gained the same sort of reputation as the M16, thanks to reliability problems the US Navy [=SEALs=] encountered while training with the Beretta 92F - the slides would often throw themselves off the frame and into the user's face, thanks to a part failing after 5,000 rounds when it should have lasted for five times as many. Beretta sent out replacement parts and designed the later 92FS so that the hammer would prevent the slide from flying off in the event that the locking block fails, but it wasn't enough to save the gun's reputation; the [=SEALs=] and various other units switched to the SIG P226 and P228, and those branches which didn't resist switching over to the M9 in the first place have tried to replace it (usually with a sidearm based on the old M1911) every five years or so since its adoption, citing distrust over the pistol's reliability, with Beretta finally taking the hint and submitting an entirely new striker-fired pistol instead of a newer M9 for the 2016 Modular Handgun System tests.
* Any weapon subject to a high-profile malfunction gets this sort of stigma associated with it, justifiably or not. The Walther PPK was famed as a concealed-carry sidearm for decades (particularly thanks to the antics of Franchise/JamesBond), but as soon as one jammed on Inspector James Beaton during [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne,_Princess_Royal#Kidnapping_attempt a kidnapping attempt on Princess Anne in March of '74]], the pistol was all but entirely withdrawn from every service that used it. The [=XM25=] CDTE had tested very well and started seeing preliminary deployment in Afghanistan, then after a single one misfired and injured the user in early 2013, all of them were pulled from service and the program had its funding cut due to "unreliable performance", pushing potential adoption back to 2017 at the absolute earliest.

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* The M16 series has been the United States military's mainstay for half a century now. Thanks to both attempted sabotage and less-than-intelligent design decisions made before and during UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar where it was first fielded as a military weapon, it has a reputation that would suggest it can't even fire a full magazine without some form of problem rendering it unusable (especially when compared to the "leave it in a swamp for a month and it'll still fire" AK-47s [=AKs=] it was fighting against at the time). Note that the guys in Army Ordnance recommended 117 improvements be made to the weapon before it was adopted. These changes included everything from chroming the bore, adding a gas piston, simplifying the bolt design, to changing the rifling twist rate. All of them were rejected with the response that if such things were needed, then Eugene Stoner would have put them there in the first place (ignoring that Stoner himself later ''did'' insist that these improvements were necessary). The M16 is as much a product of a political slapfight as it was experimental engineering.
** The M16's direct-impingement gas operation has fallen to the same reputation, accused of being or implied to be the sole reason any issues exist in weapons that use it, and almost every AR-15 derivative has used a gas piston instead. Even on this very wiki, other weapons with direct-impingement systems like the [[CoolGuns/{{Rifles}} French MAS-49]] are noted as having the "problem" of simply ''being'' direct-impingement designs, despite the MAS-49 actually having been famous for its ability to go weeks at a time with only rudimentary cleaning - even in the kinds of harsh environments that the earliest models of the later M16 failed in.
in.[[note]]Probably not helping matters is that one of the few modern AR-15 derivatives to continue using its direct-impingement system, the Barrett M468, exacerbated the problems inherent to the system because of its heavier 6.8mm bullets, causing it to end production after only a few years.[[/note]]
* And speaking of the AK-47, the AK series AK, it is probably never going to live down [[GoodGunsBadGuns the fact that it is the most widely used assault rifle amongst terrorists, criminals and insurgents. insurgents]]. Never mind that it is the basis of almost every assault rifle, SMG and marksman's firearm East of Germany and a few to the West, or that the AK-47 AK and its derivatives are used by just as many military and police agencies.
** The AK-47 AK and its variants will also never live down the reputation for being inaccurate, with people seriously arguing that it's little better than an SMG. The AK-47 original AK is inaccurate for an ''assault rifle'', which is meant to work at intermediate range (between 50 and 400 meters). But it's still a rifle, not an SMG or a shotgun, and it is sufficiently accurate when you know how to use it (i.e., aim down the sights, squeeze the trigger, apply basic shooting technique, adjust the sights, zero your sights, not spray it on full auto; anything one would do with any other rifle).
** A lot of complaints about the AK's perceived unreliability come from the fact that Mikhail Kalashnikov ''never patented it''. Which means anyone with a foundry can start making them. This has led to some questionable knock-offs, which contribute to this reputation. For instance, one cannot compare, say, a Soviet-issue AK with a scratch-built copy made in a jungle factory in Angola. \n More modern AK models like the AK-74 can match or surpass the AR-15 in accuracy, but this has mostly gone unnoticed because [[SmallReferencePools nobody knows later AK models even exist]].
* The M9 pistol, the sidearm of most branches of the US military since 1985, has also gained the same sort of reputation as the M16, thanks to reliability problems the US Navy [=SEALs=] encountered while training with the Beretta 92F - the slides would often throw themselves off the frame and into the user's face, thanks to a part failing after 5,000 rounds when it should have lasted for five times as many. Beretta sent out replacement parts and designed the later 92FS so that the hammer would prevent the slide from flying off in the event that the locking block fails, but it wasn't enough to save the gun's reputation; the [=SEALs=] and various other units switched to the SIG P226 and P228, and those branches which didn't resist switching over to the M9 in the first place have tried to replace it (usually with a sidearm based on the old M1911) every five years or so since its adoption, citing distrust over the pistol's reliability, with Beretta finally taking the hint and unsuccessfully submitting an entirely new striker-fired pistol instead of a newer M9 for the 2016 Modular Handgun System tests.
* Any weapon subject to a high-profile malfunction gets this sort of stigma associated with it, justifiably or not. The Walther PPK was famed as a concealed-carry sidearm for decades (particularly thanks to the antics of Franchise/JamesBond), Franchise/JamesBond ever since he switched from a .25 Beretta to it in 1958's ''Literature/DrNo''), but as soon as one jammed on Inspector James Beaton during [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne,_Princess_Royal#Kidnapping_attempt a kidnapping attempt on Princess Anne in March of '74]], the pistol was all but entirely withdrawn from every service that used it. The [=XM25=] CDTE had tested very well and started seeing preliminary deployment in Afghanistan, then after a single one misfired and injured the user in early 2013, all ''all'' of them were pulled from service and the program had its funding cut due to "unreliable performance", pushing potential adoption back to 2017 at the absolute earliest.
23rd Jan '17 7:50:30 PM ryanasaurus0077
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* Kitty Genovese will be forever remembered for the embarrassing way she died--she was assaulted and violated to death, and nobody who was a witness bothered to do anything to help her. Worse, in part because of the latter detail, her death is remembered far more than her life ever was.
22nd Jan '17 10:07:36 PM Nin10DillN64
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** Poor, poor Ronaldo. He'll always be remembered by casual soccer players as that "fat soccer man from Brazil who loves transvestites". Not only he's actually a stocky but fit player during his young year, he was actually looking for a cis woman (he had been heavily injured and had been diagnosed as having a pituitary gland problem at that time) and accidentally took some transgender prostitutes accidentally instead. He even paid them so they won't talk about it because he's so embarassed by it. The transvestites decided to do it anyway.
*** Due to his weight, some people thought that Ronaldo's a classic poacher, where he will stay on the front line for the entire time and got his goals from a sharp, but not very flashy way. Ronaldo's actually a very active player that he can qualified as the playmaker for the team. And many of his goals are actually from either deep solo runs, or strong and well placed shots. Even after he became fat and injury prone, he's still fast enough to do [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0Wk_4VCgak this]].

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** Poor, poor Ronaldo. He'll always be remembered by casual soccer players as that "fat soccer man from Brazil who loves transvestites". Not only he's was he actually a stocky but fit player during his young year, years, he was actually looking for a cis woman (he had been heavily injured and had been diagnosed as having a pituitary gland problem at that time) and accidentally took some transgender prostitutes accidentally instead. He even paid them so they won't talk about it because he's so embarassed by it. The transvestites decided to do it anyway.
*** Due to his weight, some people thought that Ronaldo's a classic poacher, where he will stay on the front line for the entire time and got get his goals from a sharp, but not very flashy way. Ronaldo's actually a very active player that he can qualified as the playmaker for the team. And many of his goals are actually from either deep solo runs, or strong and well placed shots. Even after he became fat and injury prone, he's still fast enough to do [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0Wk_4VCgak this]].
22nd Jan '17 2:38:52 AM Khazzadumm
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** Holding on to Geocentrism and flat-earthism after noted scientists of the time said otherwise.

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** Holding on to Geocentrism and flat-earthism after noted scientists of the time said otherwise. Thought the former was (at least in the days of Galileo) more a result of politics and misunderstanding, and the latter was never a dominant view held by mainstream christian scholars in the Middle Ages or beyond.
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