History Music / VelvetUnderground

5th Sep '17 7:44:22 PM CassandraLeo
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* {{Improv}}: They did this often even in their composed songs; as ''The Complete Matrix Tapes'' attests, they never performed a song the same way twice. A good chunk of their live discography also includes songs that were completely improvised, such as "Melody Laughter" and "The Nothing Song"; however, this element of their music would drop off somewhat after Music/JohnCale left the group.
6th Jun '17 10:12:43 AM thelivingtoad
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** All four members sing lead on "The Murder Mystery": Reed and Sterling Morrison on the verses, and Yule and Tucker on the chorus.
4th Jan '17 11:33:13 AM CassandraLeo
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** And organ, glockenspiel, tambourine, piano, organ...

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** And organ, glockenspiel, tambourine, piano, organ...piano...
4th Jan '17 11:32:47 AM CassandraLeo
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* StepUpToTheMicrophone: "After Hours" and "I'm Sticking with You" for Maureen Tucker. Reed admitted he gave "After Hours" to Mo on purpose because if he sang it wouldn't have sounded as innocent.

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* StepUpToTheMicrophone: "After Hours" and "I'm Sticking with You" for Maureen Tucker. Reed admitted that he gave "After Hours" to Mo on purpose because if he sang he'd sung it, it wouldn't have sounded as innocent.
4th Jan '17 11:30:59 AM CassandraLeo
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** They sort of zigzagged this, really. They used all kinds of unorthodox and avant-garde arrangements, but Reed wanted the songs to be the kind of music anyone could play, so they're still usually pretty simple melodically.

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** They sort of zigzagged ZigZagged this, really. They used all kinds of unorthodox and avant-garde arrangements, but Reed wanted the songs to be the kind of music anyone could play, so they're still usually pretty simple melodically.



* Trope Makers: For AlternativeRock and NoiseRock, pretty much. "Sunday Morning" could also be arguably the first DreamPop song.

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* Trope Makers: TropeMaker: For AlternativeRock and NoiseRock, pretty much. "Sunday Morning" could also be arguably the first DreamPop song.



* UrExample: For PunkRock (they are considered ProtoPunk for a reason, after all) and AlternativeRock. As mentioned above, they also had some influence on ProgressiveRock bands, as well, and they are sometimes cited as this for PostRock as well (BoleroEffect-laden songs like "Heroin" would certainly seem to support this assertion).

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* UrExample: For PunkRock (they are considered ProtoPunk for a reason, after all) and AlternativeRock. As mentioned above, they also had some influence on ProgressiveRock and {{Krautrock}} bands, as well, and they are sometimes cited as this for PostRock as well (BoleroEffect-laden songs like "Heroin" would certainly seem to support this assertion).
21st Dec '16 7:07:57 PM darkchiefy
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The Velvets were kicked off Verve in 1969 by a new president who wanted to purge controversial acts from the label ([[Music/FrankZappa Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention]] were another victim). They signed with Atlantic Records, who requested less controversial material and an album "loaded with hits". The result was ''Music/{{Loaded}}'', their swan song. Despite strong material and, indeed, some hits, the band dissolved during production when Reed left the band in August 1970.

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The Velvets were kicked off Verve in 1969 by a new president who wanted to purge controversial acts from the label ([[Music/FrankZappa Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention]] were another victim). They signed with Atlantic Records, Creator/AtlanticRecords, who requested less controversial material and an album "loaded with hits". The result was ''Music/{{Loaded}}'', their swan song. Despite strong material and, indeed, some hits, the band dissolved during production when Reed left the band in August 1970.
8th Oct '16 3:38:37 PM DavidDelony
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* LeadBassist: Both Music/JohnCale and Doug Yule. Cale provided much of the avant-garde sound of the first two albums, and Yule contributed lead vocals to a good chunk of the last two.
14th Aug '16 8:27:08 PM gewunomox
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[[caption-width-right:350:The Velvet Underground, circa 1967. And Music/{{Nico}}. Oh, and their friend [[Creator/AndyWarhol Andy]]. From left to right: Nico, Andy Warhol, Maureen Tucker, Music/LouReed, Sterling Morrison and Music/JohnCale.]]

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[[caption-width-right:350:The [[caption-width-right:350: The Velvet Underground, circa 1967. And Music/{{Nico}}. Oh, and their friend [[Creator/AndyWarhol Andy]]. From left to right: Nico, Andy Warhol, Maureen Tucker, Music/LouReed, Sterling Morrison and Music/JohnCale.]]






!!Principal Members (Founding members in '''bold'''):

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* 1967 - ''Music/TheVelvetUndergroundAndNico'' [[note]]A collaboration with Music/{{Nico}}[[/note]]

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* 1967 - ''Music/TheVelvetUndergroundAndNico'' [[note]]A [[note]] A collaboration with Music/{{Nico}}[[/note]]Music/{{Nico}} [[/note]]



* 1973 - ''Music/{{Squeeze 1973}}''

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* 1973 - ''Music/{{Squeeze 1973}}''
''Music/Squeeze1973''



!!Live Discography:

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!!Selected Compilations & Box Sets:
* 1985 - ''VU'' [[note]]Collects many of the songs from the band's aborted "fourth album" sessions for Verve, as well as a few outtakes recorded with Cale[[/note]]
* 1986 - ''Another View'' [[note]]essentially the second volume of ''VU''[[/note]]
* 1995 - ''Peel Slowly and See'' [[note]]box set compiling the band's four albums, their demo, and a number of other assorted rarities[[/note]]
* 2012 - ''The Verve/MGM albums'' [[note]]vinyl box set featuring the mono mixes of the band's first three albums and Music/{{Nico}}'s ''Chelsea Girl'' as well as another attempt to reconstruct the band's missing "fourth album" for Verve, which has this time been entitled simply ''1969'' and, unlike the others, is presented in stereo[[/note]]

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* 1985 - ''VU'' [[note]]Collects [[note]] Collects many of the songs from the band's aborted "fourth album" sessions for Verve, as well as a few outtakes recorded with Cale[[/note]]
Cale [[/note]]
* 1986 - ''Another View'' [[note]]essentially [[note]] essentially the second volume of ''VU''[[/note]]
''VU'' [[/note]]
* 1995 - ''Peel Slowly and See'' [[note]]box [[note]] box set compiling the band's four albums, their demo, and a number of other assorted rarities[[/note]]
rarities [[/note]]
* 2012 - ''The Verve/MGM Verve / MGM albums'' [[note]]vinyl [[note]] vinyl box set featuring the mono mixes of the band's first three albums and Music/{{Nico}}'s ''Chelsea Girl'' as well as another attempt to reconstruct the band's missing "fourth album" for Verve, which has this time been entitled simply ''1969'' and, unlike the others, is presented in stereo[[/note]]
stereo [[/note]]









* CanonDiscontinuity: Nobody acknowledges ''Music/{{Squeeze 1973}}'', despite [[http://bobchaos.com/squeeze/squeeze1.html some defenders]]. To be fair, it's basically a Doug Yule solo album since only he, [[Music/DeepPurple Ian Paice]] and a few session musicians played on it, and the only reason it's even ''in'' the VU discography is because of their manager Steve Sesnick.
* TheChanteuse: How Warhol named Nico to avoid the band from thinking that he was actually adding a female front singer to the group. (Which he, in a sense, did).
* ComedicSociopathy[=/=]ComicallyMissingThePoint: In "Sister Ray", when Cecil shoots the sailor, the narrator's only reaction is "Oh, you shouldn't do that/Don't you know you'll stain the carpet/Now don't you know you'll mess the carpet."

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* CanonDiscontinuity: Nobody acknowledges ''Music/{{Squeeze 1973}}'', ''Music/Squeeze1973'', despite [[http://bobchaos.com/squeeze/squeeze1.html some defenders]].defenders. To be fair, it's basically a Doug Yule solo album since only he, [[Music/DeepPurple Ian Paice]] and a few session musicians played on it, and the only reason it's even ''in'' the VU discography is because of their manager Steve Sesnick.
* TheChanteuse: How Warhol named Nico to avoid the band from thinking that he was actually adding a female front singer to the group. (Which he, in a sense, did).
did).
* ComedicSociopathy[=/=]ComicallyMissingThePoint: ComedicSociopathy / ComicallyMissingThePoint: In "Sister Ray", when Cecil shoots the sailor, the narrator's only reaction is "Oh, you shouldn't do that/Don't that / Don't you know you'll stain the carpet/Now carpet / Now don't you know you'll mess the carpet."



* CoverVersion: None by themselves, but the Velvets have been frequently covered by AlternativeRock bands like Music/JoyDivision, Music/{{Nirvana}}, Galaxie 500, Music/TheRunaways and others. Music/DavidBowie also got in on the act by covering "Music/WhiteLightWhiteHeat". Earlier, Music/TheYardbirds covered "I'm Waiting for the Man" in their live shows during the band's final months.

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* CoverVersion: None by themselves, but the Velvets have been frequently covered by AlternativeRock bands like Music/JoyDivision, Music/{{Nirvana}}, Galaxie 500, Music/Galaxie500, Music/TheRunaways and others. Music/DavidBowie also got in on the act by covering "Music/WhiteLightWhiteHeat". Earlier, Music/TheYardbirds covered "I'm Waiting for the Man" in their live shows during the band's final months.



* DownerEnding: In perhaps one of the saddest ends to a band ever, their final album ''Music/{{Squeeze 1973}}'' had no founding members play on it and received terrible recognition from most critics and fans alike.

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* DownerEnding: In perhaps one of the saddest ends to a band ever, their final album ''Music/{{Squeeze 1973}}'' ''Music/Squeeze1973'' had no founding members play on it and received terrible recognition from most critics and fans alike.



** Other super-long live tracks include "Melody Laughter" (complete version is half an hour), "The Nothing Song" (nearly twenty-eight minutes), and "Chic Mystique" (over twenty-six minutes). These probably aren't the only ones, but all of these, as well as "Sweet Sister Ray", can be found on a bootleg box entitled ''Caught Between the Twisted Stars''. ("Melody Laughter" and "The Nothing Song" also appear on the 45th anniversary edition of ''Music/TheVelvetUndergroundAndNico''). Another lengthy song performed live, which in this case is actually a song, is "Follow the Leader", which in at least one version is over seventeen minutes long (again, see ''The Quine Tapes''). Many other songs would also be extended dramatically when performed live; for example, "White Light/White Heat" is under three minutes long in the studio version, but live recordings exist that exceed ten minutes in length (yet again, see ''The Quine Tapes'' for an example).

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** Other super-long live tracks include "Melody Laughter" (complete version is half an hour), "The Nothing Song" (nearly twenty-eight minutes), and "Chic Mystique" (over twenty-six minutes). These probably aren't the only ones, but all of these, as well as "Sweet Sister Ray", can be found on a bootleg box entitled ''Caught Between the Twisted Stars''. ("Melody Laughter" and "The Nothing Song" also appear on the 45th anniversary edition of ''Music/TheVelvetUndergroundAndNico''). Another lengthy song performed live, which in this case is actually a song, is "Follow the Leader", which in at least one version is over seventeen minutes long (again, see ''The Quine Tapes''). Many other songs would also be extended dramatically when performed live; for example, "White Light/White Light / White Heat" is under three minutes long in the studio version, but live recordings exist that exceed ten minutes in length (yet again, see ''The Quine Tapes'' for an example).



* LighterAndSofter: ''Music/TheVelvetUnderground'', ''Music/{{Loaded}}'', ''Music/{{Squeeze 1973}}''.

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* LighterAndSofter: ''Music/TheVelvetUnderground'', ''Music/{{Loaded}}'', ''Music/{{Squeeze 1973}}''.''Music/Squeeze1973''.



* MinimalisticCoverArt: All their albums. ''Music/TheVelvetUndergroundAndNico'' has an Creator/AndyWarhol-drawn banana on the cover (on the original vinyl you could peel it away, which explains the title of their box set ''Peel Slowly and See'', on which you could do the same thing), ''Music/WhiteLightWhiteHeat'' is a blacker-than-black cover with white text and a faintly embossed picture of a tattoo, ''Music/TheVelvetUnderground'' is just a picture of the band, ''Music/{{Loaded}}'' depicts a subway station with pink smoke emerging from it, ''VU'' is a picture of [[VisualPun a VU meter]] and ''Another View'' is another picture of the band.

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* MinimalisticCoverArt: All their albums. ''Music/TheVelvetUndergroundAndNico'' has an Creator/AndyWarhol-drawn banana on the cover (on the original vinyl you could peel it away, which explains the title of their box set ''Peel Slowly and See'', on which you could do the same thing), ''Music/WhiteLightWhiteHeat'' is a blacker-than-black blacker than black cover with white text and a faintly embossed picture of a tattoo, ''Music/TheVelvetUnderground'' is just a picture of the band, ''Music/{{Loaded}}'' depicts a subway station with pink smoke emerging from it, ''VU'' is a picture of [[VisualPun a VU meter]] and ''Another View'' is another picture of the band.



* ObligatoryBondageSong: [[TropeMaker More or less invented it]] with "Venus in Furs." "Some Kinda Love" also qualifies.

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* ObligatoryBondageSong: [[TropeMaker [[TropeMakers More or less invented it]] with "Venus in Furs." "Some Kinda Love" also qualifies.



* RecordProducer: Creator/AndyWarhol, technically - his job was to just pay for the sessions and use his influence to protect the band from ExecutiveMeddling. The sessions were engineered by Tom Wilson, but Reed does point out that Andy's name allowed them to do stuff they couldn't get away with otherwise on a debut. Reed also credits Warhol with giving him the confidence as a songwriter to follow his muse wherever it took him, regardless of how many people wanted to censor his songs. Various other people have also been credited as de facto producers for the first album, including Norman Dolph and John Licata, who were engineers for the Scepter Studios sessions, and Music/JohnCale, who is credited with coming up with many or most of the arrangements. (Interestingly, Dolph credits Cale, and Cale credits Wilson.)

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* RecordProducer: Creator/AndyWarhol, technically - -- his job was to just pay for the sessions and use his influence to protect the band from ExecutiveMeddling. The sessions were engineered by Tom Wilson, but Reed does point out that Andy's name allowed them to do stuff they couldn't get away with otherwise on a debut. Reed also credits Warhol with giving him the confidence as a songwriter to follow his muse wherever it took him, regardless of how many people wanted to censor his songs. Various other people have also been credited as de facto producers for the first album, including Norman Dolph and John Licata, who were engineers for the Scepter Studios sessions, and Music/JohnCale, who is credited with coming up with many or most of the arrangements. (Interestingly, Dolph credits Cale, and Cale credits Wilson.)



* SelfTitledAlbum: Two of them, in fact: ''Music/TheVelvetUndergroundAndNico'' (their debut, with [[MyFriendsAndZoidberg their guest singer's name tacked on at the end]]) and ''Music/TheVelvetUnderground'' (their more subdued third studio album)

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* SelfTitledAlbum: Two of them, in fact: ''Music/TheVelvetUndergroundAndNico'' (their debut, with [[MyFriendsAndZoidberg their guest singer's name tacked on at the end]]) and ''Music/TheVelvetUnderground'' (their more subdued third studio album)album).



* ShoutOut: "European Son" is dedicated to the [[{{Poetry}} poet]][=/=][[ShortStory short-story]] writer Delmore Schwartz, who had been one of Lou Reed's professors at Syracuse University.

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* ShoutOut: "European Son" is dedicated to the [[{{Poetry}} poet]][=/=][[ShortStory poet]] / [[ShortStory short-story]] writer Delmore Schwartz, who had been one of Lou Reed's professors at Syracuse University.



* TakeThat: The "Evil Mothers" who'll tell you that "Everything is just dirt" in "Sweet Jane" may have been referencing The Mothers Of Invention, whose leader Music/FrankZappa was regarded by Lou Reed as a rival [[note]]For his part, Zappa didn't consider Reed to be a rival; he had no time for the Velvets' drug use and didn't think much of their records, but he admired Reed's song-writing, especially "All Tomorrow's Parties"[[/note]].

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* TakeThat: The "Evil Mothers" who'll tell you that "Everything is just dirt" in "Sweet Jane" may have been referencing The Mothers Of of Invention, whose leader Music/FrankZappa was regarded by Lou Reed as a rival [[note]]For [[note]] For his part, Zappa didn't consider Reed to be a rival; he had no time for the Velvets' drug use and didn't think much of their records, but he admired Reed's song-writing, especially "All Tomorrow's Parties"[[/note]].Parties" [[/note]].



-->'''Lou Reed''': One chord is fine. Two chords... that's pushing it. Three chords and it's jazz.
** They sort of ZigZagged this, really. They used all kinds of unorthodox and avant-garde arrangements, but Reed wanted the songs to be the kind of music anyone could play, so they're still usually pretty simple melodically.

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-->'''Lou Reed''': One chord is fine. Two chords... that's That's pushing it. Three chords and it's jazz.
** They sort of ZigZagged zigzagged this, really. They used all kinds of unorthodox and avant-garde arrangements, but Reed wanted the songs to be the kind of music anyone could play, so they're still usually pretty simple melodically.



-->'''[[WordOfGod Lou Reed]]''':'Sister Ray' was done as a jokeóno, not as a jokeóbut it has eight characters in it and this guy gets killed and nobody does anything. It was built around this story that I wrote about this scene of total debauchery and decay. I like to think of 'Sister Ray' as a transvestite smack dealer. The situation is a bunch of {{Drag Queen}}s taking some sailors home with them, shooting up on smack and having this orgy when the police appear.

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-->'''[[WordOfGod Lou Reed]]''':'Sister Ray' was done as a jokeóno, joke -- no, not as a jokeóbut joke -- but it has eight characters in it and this guy gets killed and nobody does anything. It was built around this story that I wrote about this scene of total debauchery and decay. I like to think of 'Sister Ray' as a transvestite smack dealer. The situation is a bunch of {{Drag Queen}}s taking some sailors home with them, shooting up on smack and having this orgy when the police appear.



* {{Trope Maker|s}}: for AlternativeRock and NoiseRock, pretty much. "Sunday Morning" could also be arguably the first DreamPop song.

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* {{Trope Maker|s}}: for Trope Makers: For AlternativeRock and NoiseRock, pretty much. "Sunday Morning" could also be arguably the first DreamPop song.
22nd Jul '16 10:50:28 PM Mdumas43073
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'''The Velvet Underground''' were formed in 1964 by dissatisfied Long Island songwriter Music/LouReed and [[UsefulNotes/{{Wales}} Welshman]] Music/JohnCale, who was studying classical music in the USA. Reed was the main guitarist and songwriter, while Cale played keyboards and viola. Sterling Morrison joined at the same time, assuming guitar and bass duties. After a period with Angus [=MacLise=], the line-up was rounded out by drummer Maureen Tucker, who played with no cymbals and used a very simplistic, tribal style.

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'''The The Velvet Underground''' Underground were formed in 1964 by dissatisfied Long Island songwriter Music/LouReed and [[UsefulNotes/{{Wales}} Welshman]] Music/JohnCale, who was studying classical music in the USA. Reed was the main guitarist and songwriter, while Cale played keyboards and viola. Sterling Morrison joined at the same time, assuming guitar and bass duties. After a period with Angus [=MacLise=], the line-up was rounded out by drummer Maureen Tucker, who played with no cymbals and used a very simplistic, tribal style.
20th Jun '16 6:25:34 PM CassandraLeo
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* 2015 - ''The Complete Matrix Tapes''



!!Selected Compilations & Box Sets:
* 1985 - ''VU'' [[note]]Collects many of the songs from the band's aborted "fourth album" sessions for Verve, as well as a few outtakes recorded with Cale[[/note]]
* 1986 - ''Another View'' [[note]]essentially the second volume of ''VU''[[/note]]
* 1995 - ''Peel Slowly and See'' [[note]]box set compiling the band's four albums, their demo, and a number of other assorted rarities[[/note]]
* 2012 - ''The Verve/MGM albums'' [[note]]vinyl box set featuring the mono mixes of the band's first three albums and Music/{{Nico}}'s ''Chelsea Girl'' as well as another attempt to reconstruct the band's missing "fourth album" for Verve, which has this time been entitled simply ''1969'' and, unlike the others, is presented in stereo[[/note]]

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* ObligatoryBondageSong: [[TropeMaker More or less invented it]] with "Venus in Furs."

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* ObligatoryBondageSong: [[TropeMaker More or less invented it]] with "Venus in Furs."" "Some Kinda Love" also qualifies.



* RecordProducer: Creator/AndyWarhol, technically - his job was to just pay for the sessions and use his influence to protect the band from ExecutiveMeddling. The sessions were engineered by Tom Wilson, but Reed does point out that Andy's name allowed them to do stuff they couldn't get away with otherwise on a debut. Reed also credits Warhol with giving him the confidence as a songwriter to follow his muse wherever it took him, regardless of how many people wanted to censor his songs.

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* RecordProducer: Creator/AndyWarhol, technically - his job was to just pay for the sessions and use his influence to protect the band from ExecutiveMeddling. The sessions were engineered by Tom Wilson, but Reed does point out that Andy's name allowed them to do stuff they couldn't get away with otherwise on a debut. Reed also credits Warhol with giving him the confidence as a songwriter to follow his muse wherever it took him, regardless of how many people wanted to censor his songs. Various other people have also been credited as de facto producers for the first album, including Norman Dolph and John Licata, who were engineers for the Scepter Studios sessions, and Music/JohnCale, who is credited with coming up with many or most of the arrangements. (Interestingly, Dolph credits Cale, and Cale credits Wilson.)



* SinisterShades: As seen above, very nearly the whole band wore them.

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* SinisterShades: As seen above, very nearly the whole band wore them. Apparently they started doing this to cope with the bright lights that were a part of their live show, but it became an iconic part of their look and they began wearing them offstage as well.


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** They sort of ZigZagged this, really. They used all kinds of unorthodox and avant-garde arrangements, but Reed wanted the songs to be the kind of music anyone could play, so they're still usually pretty simple melodically.
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