History Music / TheSmashingPumpkins

11th Jul '17 11:12:20 AM TMOverbeck
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** ''Oceania'' (2012) - a 13 track "Album within an Album". [[HesBack Generally agreed to be their best post-]]''[[HesBack Adore]]'' [[HesBack album]].
** ''Monuments to an Elegy'' (2014)
** ''Day for Night'' (expected to be released in 2016)

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** * ''Oceania'' (2012) - a 13 track "Album within an Album". [[HesBack Generally agreed to be their best post-]]''[[HesBack Adore]]'' [[HesBack album]].
** * ''Monuments to an Elegy'' (2014)
** * ''Day for Night'' (expected to be released in 2016)
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"Despite all my tropes I am still just a rat in a cage":
28th May '17 5:38:49 AM NWolfman
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* ChristmasSongs: They have one, simply titled "Christmastime."
3rd Apr '17 4:59:15 PM WilliamRadarStorm
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* LyricsVideoMismatch: "Tonight Tonight". The video is essentially a shot for shot remake of the 1902 sci-fi short ''A Trip to the Moon''.

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* LyricsVideoMismatch: "Tonight Tonight". The video is essentially a shot for shot remake of the 1902 sci-fi short ''A Trip to the Moon''.Moon'', whereas the lyrics have strong a GrowingUpSucks theme.
20th Feb '17 8:38:52 PM bt8257
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[[caption-width-right:350: "Shakedown 1979, cool kids never have the time..." [[note]] The current band. From L to R: Nicole Fiorentino, Billy Corgan, Mike Byrne, Jeff Schroeder [[/note]]]]

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[[caption-width-right:350: "Shakedown 1979, cool kids never have the time..." [[note]] The current band. From L to R: Nicole Fiorentino, Billy Corgan, Mike Byrne, Jeff Schroeder [[/note]]]]
5th Jan '17 9:17:19 PM lilithmercy
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* PoliticallyIncorrectHero: Billy isn't exactly on friendly terms with the LGBT community after more than one incident of calling a transgender woman a "he-she" online.
** Ironically, Nicole Fiorentino is openly a lesbian.
9th Sep '16 5:18:17 AM JamesAustin
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->'''[[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons Homer Simpson]]''': My kids love you, and thanks to your gloomy music they've finally stopped dreaming of a future I can't possibly provide.\\
'''Billy Corgan''': Well, we try to make a difference.\\

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->'''[[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons Homer Simpson]]''': ->'''Homer Simpson:''' My kids love you, and thanks to your gloomy music they've finally stopped dreaming of a future I can't possibly provide.\\
'''Billy Corgan''': Corgan:''' Well, we try to make a difference.\\
difference.
-->-- ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'', "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS7E24Homerpalooza Homerpalooza]]"
4th Sep '16 6:06:42 PM lilithmercy
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* SurroundedByIdiots: It's hard to blame Billy for thinking so early on when the rest of his band was either on drugs or in destructive relationships for 10 years.


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** Every official bassist has been a woman. D'arcy's replacement was [[{{Music/Hole}} Melissa Auf der Maur]], then the reunited lineup has had Ginger Pooley and Nicole Fiorentino, while the 2 men who have been bassists on tours aren't considered official members.
17th Aug '16 1:58:50 PM gewunomox
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Almost as tumultuous was the band's internal affairs. The band consisted originally of second guitarist James Iha, bassist D'arcy Wretzky, drummer Jimmy Chamberlin[[note]]who joined the band after Cabaret Metro owner Joe Shanahan told Corgan that he would only book the band if they got a drummer instead of using a drum machine[[/note]] and (of course) Corgan, whose obsessive perfectionism drove the others to distraction; Iha and Wretzky were often {{Garfunkel}}ed on albums, their parts re-done by Corgan[[note]]Wretzky didn't seem to have a big problem with this she admitted Corgan tended to record them quicker and more efficiently during ''Siamese Dream''[[/note]]. Plus, Chamberlin, described by Iha and Wretzky as the only non-Corgan member who was actually important to the band's sound, was also an inveterate druggie. The result was a band plagued by {{Troubled Production}}s and often teetering on the edge of full-on CreatorBreakdown. Then tragedy struck during the ''Mellon Collie'' tour, when session keyboardist Jonathan Melvoin died of a heroin overdose while shooting up with Chamberlin. Jimmy was fired, which might have had something to do with the electronica sound of ''Adore''[[note]]one of the key elements of rock & roll is how you use your drums. They didn't ''have'' a drummer[[/note]]. Unfortunately, people listen to the Pumpkins ''for'' their rock sound, and ''Adore'' was pretty much a wipe commercially (though it did receive some of the best reviews of the band's career). Chamberlin straightened himself out and rejoined, just in time for Wretzky to quit, replaced by Music/{{Hole}} bassist Melissa Auf der Maur, and the band produced one more album (well, [[ExecutiveMeddling technically two]]) before announcing they would break up at the end of 2000. And, for a while, all was quiet in Pumpkinland.

In '05, Corgan released his solo album. He then upstaged himself by, on the very same day, announcing that he was reforming the Smashing Pumpkins. He and Chamberlin were the only permanent members (Iha and Wretzky are on record as declining to participate, and Auf Der Maur's offer to rejoin wasn't accepted), which also changed after the release of their first post-reunion album. Chamberlin's split was amicable this time; he has been replaced by the 19-year-old newcomer Mike Byrne, and current bassist Nicole Fiorentino and guitarist Jeff Schroeder are also participating in-studio. The Pumpkins are once again experimenting with digital distribution; they planned to release ''Teargarden by Kaleidyscope'' [sic] song by song for free on [[http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/ their website]]. This concept was initially interrupted by 2012's ''Oceania'', an album released the traditional way; with the subsequent release of 2014's ''Monuments to an Elegy'' and another album set for 2016, the experiment appears to be concluded.

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Almost as tumultuous was the band's internal affairs. The band consisted originally of second guitarist James Iha, bassist D'arcy Wretzky, drummer Jimmy Chamberlin[[note]]who Chamberlin [[note]] who joined the band after Cabaret Metro owner Joe Shanahan told Corgan that he would only book the band if they got a drummer instead of using a drum machine[[/note]] machine [[/note]] and (of course) Corgan, whose obsessive perfectionism drove the others to distraction; Iha and Wretzky were often {{Garfunkel}}ed on albums, their parts re-done by Corgan[[note]]Wretzky Corgan [[note]] Wretzky didn't seem to have a big problem with this - she admitted Corgan tended to record them quicker and more efficiently during ''Siamese Dream''[[/note]].Dream'' [[/note]]. Plus, Chamberlin, described by Iha and Wretzky as the only non-Corgan member who was actually important to the band's sound, was also an inveterate druggie. The result was a band plagued by {{Troubled Production}}s and often teetering on the edge of full-on CreatorBreakdown. Then tragedy struck during the ''Mellon Collie'' tour, when session keyboardist Jonathan Melvoin died of a heroin overdose while shooting up with Chamberlin. Jimmy was fired, which might have had something to do with the electronica sound of ''Adore''[[note]]one ''Adore'' [[note]] one of the key elements of rock & roll is how you use your drums. They didn't ''have'' a drummer[[/note]].drummer [[/note]]. Unfortunately, people listen to the Pumpkins ''for'' their rock sound, and ''Adore'' was pretty much a wipe commercially (though it did receive some of the best reviews of the band's career). Chamberlin straightened himself out and rejoined, just in time for Wretzky to quit, replaced by Music/{{Hole}} bassist Melissa Auf der Maur, and the band produced one more album (well, [[ExecutiveMeddling technically two]]) before announcing they would break up at the end of 2000. And, for a while, all was quiet in Pumpkinland.

In '05, Corgan released his solo album. He then upstaged himself by, on the very same day, announcing that he was reforming the Smashing Pumpkins. He and Chamberlin were the only permanent members (Iha and Wretzky are on record as declining to participate, and Auf Der der Maur's offer to rejoin wasn't accepted), which also changed after the release of their first post-reunion album. Chamberlin's split was amicable this time; he has been replaced by the 19-year-old 19 year old newcomer Mike Byrne, and current bassist Nicole Fiorentino and guitarist Jeff Schroeder are also participating in-studio. The Pumpkins are once again experimenting with digital distribution; they planned to release ''Teargarden by Kaleidyscope'' [sic] song by song for free on [[http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/ their website]]. This concept was initially interrupted by 2012's ''Oceania'', an album released the traditional way; with the subsequent release of 2014's ''Monuments to an Elegy'' and another album set for 2016, the experiment appears to be concluded.




!!Studio album discography:

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** Remastered and reissued in 2012, with three bonus [=CDs=] and a bonus DVD.
* ''Music/{{Adore}}'' (1998) - the folk/electronica album.
** Remastered and reissued in 2014, with five bonus [=CDs=] and a bonus DVD.
* ''[=Machina/The Machines of God=]'' (2000) - the attempted comeback.

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** Remastered and reissued in 2012, with three bonus [=CDs=] CD's and a bonus DVD.
* ''Music/{{Adore}}'' (1998) - the folk/electronica folk / electronica album.
** Remastered and reissued in 2014, with five bonus [=CDs=] CD's and a bonus DVD.
* ''[=Machina/The ''Machina / The Machines of God=]'' God'' (2000) - the attempted comeback.



* ''[=Machina II/The Friends and Enemies of Modern Music=]'' (2000) - not a commercial release and, for that matter, was not intended to be; Corgan wanted Virgin Records to make the album free to anyone who had bought ''Machina I''. When they declined, he just gave it to ''everyone''.

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* ''[=Machina II/The ''Machina II / The Friends and Enemies of Modern Music=]'' Music'' (2000) - not a commercial release and, for that matter, was not intended to be; Corgan wanted Virgin Records to make the album free to anyone who had bought ''Machina I''. When they declined, he just gave it to ''everyone''.



* ''Teargarden By Kaleidyscope'' - [[ScheduleSlip under construction.]]

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* ''Teargarden By by Kaleidyscope'' - [[ScheduleSlip under construction.]]



There's also a bunch of [=EPs=] and compilations like:
* ''Lull'' (1991) - first EP. In Billy's words: ''the [=EP=] was really supposed to be a single but [[ExecutiveMeddling they tricked me]].''

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There's also a bunch of [=EPs=] EP's and compilations like:
* ''Lull'' (1991) - first EP. In Billy's words: ''the [=EP=] EP was really supposed to be a single but [[ExecutiveMeddling they tricked me]].''



* ''Vieuphoria'' (1994) - a video compilation of various live performances, mostly from the ''Siamese Dream'' tour, plus comedy bits (usually centered on friends The Frogs), interviews, and other features. It was reissued on DVD in 2002 with several extras, including a complete interview and some additional performance footage from 1994 that Corgan had found before the release date. Similarly, its soundtrack was initially released as a promo CD in 1994, titled ''Earphoria'', and then officially released in 2002. ''Earphoria'' retains a segment where the band jokingly played part of [[WizardOfOz "Somewhere Over the Rainbow"]] during a medley of "Silverfuck" and "Jackboot", whereas the ''Vieuphoria'' footage had to [[ClumsyCopyrightCensorship edit that part out due to licensing costs]].

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* ''Vieuphoria'' (1994) - a video compilation of various live performances, mostly from the ''Siamese Dream'' tour, plus comedy bits (usually centered on friends The Frogs), interviews, and other features. It was reissued on DVD in 2002 with several extras, including a complete interview and some additional performance footage from 1994 that Corgan had found before the release date. Similarly, its soundtrack was initially released as a promo CD in 1994, titled ''Earphoria'', and then officially released in 2002. ''Earphoria'' retains a segment where the band jokingly played part of [[WizardOfOz [[Film/TheWizardOfOz "Somewhere Over the Rainbow"]] during a medley of "Silverfuck" and "Jackboot", whereas the ''Vieuphoria'' footage had to [[ClumsyCopyrightCensorship edit that part out due to licensing costs]].



* ''Rarities and B-Sides'' (2005) - ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin: gathering just about every B-side and rarity for a total of 114 tracks. (It's not entirely complete; a few tracks had to be left off because of licensing issues. Many of these were included on the recent deluxe reissues of the albums, however).

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* ''Rarities and B-Sides'' (2005) - ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin: gathering Gathering just about every B-side and rarity for a total of 114 tracks. (It's not entirely complete; a few tracks had to be left off because of licensing issues. Many of these were included on the recent deluxe reissues of the albums, however).



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** The first track on disc 1 of ''Mellon Collie'', "Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness," has a running time of 2:52, as does the last track on disc 1, "Take Me Down." The first track on disc 2, "Where Boys Fear to Tread," is 4:22, as is the last track on disc 2, "Farewell and Goodnight." Furthermore, the piano theme at the end of "Farewell and Goodnight" is a reprise of the eponymous instrumental (the theme also appears in a different key at the end of "Thru the Eyes of Ruby").

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** The first track on disc Disc 1 of ''Mellon Collie'', "Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness," has a running time of 2:52, as does the last track on disc Disc 1, "Take Me Down." The first track on disc Disc 2, "Where Boys Fear to Tread," is 4:22, as is the last track on disc 2, "Farewell and Goodnight." Furthermore, the piano theme at the end of "Farewell and Goodnight" is a reprise of the eponymous instrumental (the theme also appears in a different key at the end of "Thru the Eyes of Ruby").



* CarefulWithThatAxe
** "Bullet with Butterfly Wings": "Despite all my rage I'm still just a rat in a...'''CAAAAAAAGE!'''"

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* CarefulWithThatAxe
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** "Bullet with Butterfly Wings": "Despite all my rage I'm still just a rat in a... '''CAAAAAAAGE!'''"



* CoverVersion: "A Girl Named Sandoz" by Music/TheAnimals, "Terrapin" by Music/SydBarrett, "Landslide" by Music/FleetwoodMac, "Dancing in the Moonlight" by Music/ThinLizzy, "You're All I've Got Tonight" by Music/TheCars, "Clones (We're All)" by David Carron, "A Night Like This" by Music/TheCure, "Destination Unknown" by MissingPersons, "Dreaming" by Music/{{Blondie}}, the classic pop tune "My Blue Heaven", "Rock On" by David Essex, "Soul Power" by Music/JamesBrown, "Sad Peter Pan" by Vic Chestnutt, and those are just the ones that made it onto albums and compilations.

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* CoverVersion: "A Girl Named Sandoz" by Music/TheAnimals, "Terrapin" by Music/SydBarrett, "Landslide" by Music/FleetwoodMac, "Dancing in the Moonlight" by Music/ThinLizzy, "You're All I've Got Tonight" by Music/TheCars, "Clones (We're All)" by David Carron, "A Night Like This" by Music/TheCure, "Destination Unknown" by MissingPersons, Music/MissingPersons, "Dreaming" by Music/{{Blondie}}, the classic pop tune "My Blue Heaven", "Rock On" by David Essex, "Soul Power" by Music/JamesBrown, "Sad Peter Pan" by Vic Chestnutt, and those are just the ones that made it onto albums and compilations.



* ConveyorBeltVideo, TheOner: "Ava Adore". If it doesn't click in that it's a oner, the halfway point where the camera spins around and reveals the camera's track and all of the sets will do it.
* DescriptionCut: Used in the ''Vieuphoria'' segment "Bugg Superstar" After a clip of a fan speculating about the "cool, artsy life" James Iha must live, we then see James sleeping in a very messy bed with his clothes and sneakers still on.

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* ConveyorBeltVideo, ConveyorBeltVideo / TheOner: "Ava Adore". If it doesn't click in that it's a oner, the halfway point where the camera spins around and reveals the camera's track and all of the sets will do it.
* DescriptionCut: Used in the ''Vieuphoria'' segment "Bugg Superstar" -- After a clip of a fan speculating about the "cool, artsy life" James Iha must live, we then see James sleeping in a very messy bed with his clothes and sneakers still on.



* EpicRocking: Quite a lot "Rhinoceros", "Hummer", "Soma", "Silverfuck", "Porcelina of the Vast Oceans", "Thru The Eyes of Ruby", "X.Y.U.", "Tear", "Shame", "Cherub Rock," "For Martha", "Glass and the Ghost Children", "Heavy Metal Machine (alternate take)", "In My Body", "Starla", "The Aeroplane Flies High (Turns Left, Looks Right)" ...Oh, we could go on.

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* EpicRocking: Quite a lot -- "Rhinoceros", "Hummer", "Soma", "Silverfuck", "Porcelina of the Vast Oceans", "Thru The the Eyes of Ruby", "X.Y.U.", "Tear", "Shame", "Cherub Rock," "For Martha", "Glass and the Ghost Children", "Heavy Metal Machine (alternate take)", (Alternate Take)", "In My Body", "Starla", "The Aeroplane Flies High (Turns Left, Looks Right)" ...Oh, we could go on.



** "Glynis" is a tribute to Glynis Johnson, the bassist of the band Red Red Meat, who toured with the Pumpkins and died of complications from [=AIDS=] one year before the song was released on the [=HIV=] benefit album ''No Alternative''.

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** "Glynis" is a tribute to Glynis Johnson, the bassist of the band Red Red Meat, who toured with the Pumpkins and died of complications from [=AIDS=] AIDS one year before the song was released on the [=HIV=] HIV benefit album ''No Alternative''.



* LoudnessWar: This has been a particularly bad problem starting with ''Machina'' (although not with ''Machina II'', which was vinyl-only, so not as likely to be a victim of this; the only track on that that had a clipped master was "White Spyder", which was clearly done for [[StylisticSuck artistic purposes]]). ''Zeitgeist'' and the reissues have also had problems with this, although strangely, the reissues have only been really bad on the bonus tracks (for example, the ''Adore'' remaster was [=DR8=] on the stereo version of the album and had minimal clipping, while the mono version was [=DR5=] with lots of clipping and the other bonus [=CDs=] had similar ratings and amounts of clipping). The earlier Pumpkins albums were mostly mastered with a fairly large amount of headroom, although the problem had started to creep up with ''The Aeroplane Flies High'', which is clipped in some parts. It's also worth pointing that there's an "pre-mastered" version of ''Machina'' floating around the internets that has a substantially larger amount of dynamic range than the CD (and no clipping). Their usage of this trope also appears to have dropped off with time, as ''Oceania'' is a tolerable [=DR8=] and has very little clipping.
* LyricalColdOpen: "Bullet With Butterfly Wings". You know the line. "The world is a vampire."

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* LoudnessWar: This has been a particularly bad problem starting with ''Machina'' (although not with ''Machina II'', which was vinyl-only, so not as likely to be a victim of this; the only track on that that had a clipped master was "White Spyder", which was clearly done for [[StylisticSuck artistic purposes]]). ''Zeitgeist'' and the reissues have also had problems with this, although strangely, the reissues have only been really bad on the bonus tracks (for example, the ''Adore'' remaster was [=DR8=] on the stereo version of the album and had minimal clipping, while the mono version was [=DR5=] with lots of clipping and the other bonus [=CDs=] CD's had similar ratings and amounts of clipping). The earlier Pumpkins albums were mostly mastered with a fairly large amount of headroom, although the problem had started to creep up with ''The Aeroplane Flies High'', which is clipped in some parts. It's also worth pointing that there's an "pre-mastered" version of ''Machina'' floating around the internets that has a substantially larger amount of dynamic range than the CD (and no clipping). Their usage of this trope also appears to have dropped off with time, as ''Oceania'' is a tolerable [=DR8=] and has very little clipping.
* LyricalColdOpen: "Bullet With with Butterfly Wings". You know the line. "The world is a vampire."



* LyricsVideoMismatch: "Tonight Tonight". The video is essentially a shot-for-shot remake of the 1902 sci-fi short ''A Trip to the Moon''.

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* LyricsVideoMismatch: "Tonight Tonight". The video is essentially a shot-for-shot shot for shot remake of the 1902 sci-fi short ''A Trip to the Moon''.



* MinisculeRocking: "Pastichio Medley" combines this with EpicRocking in a bizarre example of both tropes. It consists of literally dozens of song snippets stitched together to make a twenty-three-minute piece. Most of the snippets last for only about ten seconds, but the last of them, "Die", consists of the same highly dissonant riff repeated for about seven minutes before reprising the riff of "X.Y.U." Several, though nowhere near all, of the songs in the medley were eventually released in their entirety on the re-releases of ''Siamese Dream'', ''Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness'', and ''The Aeroplane Flies High''.

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* MinisculeRocking: "Pastichio Medley" combines this with EpicRocking in a bizarre example of both tropes. It consists of literally dozens of song snippets stitched together to make a twenty-three-minute twenty-three minute piece. Most of the snippets last for only about ten seconds, but the last of them, "Die", consists of the same highly dissonant riff repeated for about seven minutes before reprising the riff of "X.Y.U." Several, though nowhere near all, of the songs in the medley were eventually released in their entirety on the re-releases of ''Siamese Dream'', ''Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness'', and ''The Aeroplane Flies High''.



* MohsScaleOfRockAndMetalHardness: They can go anywhere from a 1 ("Tonite Reprise," "Take Me Down") to 8 ("X.Y.U.," "Tales of a Scorched Earth"). The aforementioned "X.Y.U" is arguably in a 9. But, for the most part, they stay in the 2 (Tonight Tonight) to 6 (Bullet With Butterfly Wings) range.

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* MohsScaleOfRockAndMetalHardness: They can go anywhere from a 1 ("Tonite Reprise," "Take Me Down") to 8 ("X.Y.U.," "Tales of a Scorched Earth"). The aforementioned "X.Y.U" is arguably in a 9. But, for the most part, they stay in the 2 (Tonight Tonight) to 6 (Bullet With with Butterfly Wings) range.



** "Take Me Down" (the last track on disc 1) is followed by "Where Boys Fear to Tread" (the first track on disc 2).

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** "Take Me Down" (the last track on disc Disc 1) is followed by "Where Boys Fear to Tread" (the first track on disc Disc 2).



* MusicVideoOvershadowing: for "Today", a [[LyricalDissonance Lyrically Dissonant]] song about suicide.

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* MusicVideoOvershadowing: for For "Today", a [[LyricalDissonance Lyrically Dissonant]] song about suicide.



** "Rhinoceros" is slightly more sneaky about this. The chorus is "she knows, she knows, she knows." It ''sounds,'' however, like [[IncrediblyLamePun "she ''nose,'' ]][[StealthPun she ''nose,'' she..."]]

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** "Rhinoceros" is slightly more sneaky about this. The chorus is "she knows, she knows, she knows." It ''sounds,'' however, like [[IncrediblyLamePun [[{{Pun}} "she ''nose,'' ]][[StealthPun she ''nose,'' she..."]]



* OlderThanTheyLook: Billy's looked pretty much the same since 1996. His voice also hasn't changed at all, adding to his young appearence.

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* OlderThanTheyLook: Billy's looked pretty much the same since 1996. His voice also hasn't changed at all, adding to his young appearence.appearance.



* RealLifeWritesThePlot: Melvoin's death is supposedly the inspiration for SarahMcLachlan's "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LuGzwNy2ws Angel]]".

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* RealLifeWritesThePlot: Melvoin's death is supposedly the inspiration for SarahMcLachlan's "[[http://www.Music/SarahMcLachlan's "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LuGzwNy2ws Angel]]".



** "Bullet With Butterfly Wings" you know, TheOneWith The Rat In The Cage?

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** "Bullet With with Butterfly Wings" you -- You know, TheOneWith The Rat In The Cage?



** Corgan mentioned that ''Gish'' was named as a reference to Creator/LillianGish, specifically because his grandmother would tell him that she lived in a town in "the middle of nowhere" and one of the most important things that happened was Gish riding through said town in a train. He also joked at one point that it was originally named "Fish" but changed the name to avoid confusions with {{Phish}}.

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** Corgan mentioned that ''Gish'' was named as a reference to Creator/LillianGish, specifically because his grandmother would tell him that she lived in a town in "the middle of nowhere" and one of the most important things that happened was Gish riding through said town in a train. He also joked at one point that it was originally named "Fish" but changed the name to avoid confusions with {{Phish}}.Music/{{Phish}}.



** "Ugly" and "Beautiful" are thematic counterparts, but, as with the "Medellia"/"Porcelina" pairing, only the latter made the cut. Luckily, both of them made it to ''Rarities and B-Sides''.

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** "Ugly" and "Beautiful" are thematic counterparts, but, as with the "Medellia"/"Porcelina" "Medellia" / "Porcelina" pairing, only the latter made the cut. Luckily, both of them made it to ''Rarities and B-Sides''.



* StepUpToTheMicrophone: D'arcy sings "Daydream" and most of "Dreaming" and adds additional vocals to "Beautiful", "Where Boys Fear to Tread," "We Only Come Out at Night", "Farewell and Goodnight" (which has lead vocals by all four band members) and "Dancing in the Moonlight". James did this occasionally on his own tunes and otherwise, but most of them got shunted to B-sides - "Take Me Down" was the only one that made it to ''Mellon Collie'', "Blew Away" got relegated to ''Pisces Iscariot'', "...said sadly" (with [[TheCameo additional vocals]] by Nina Gordon) and the cover of "[[Music/SydBarrett Terrapin]]" were released on the ''Rarities & B-sides'' compilation, and so on.

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* StepUpToTheMicrophone: D'arcy sings "Daydream" and most of "Dreaming" and adds additional vocals to "Beautiful", "Where Boys Fear to Tread," "We Only Come Out at Night", "Farewell and Goodnight" (which has lead vocals by all four band members) and "Dancing in the Moonlight". James did this occasionally on his own tunes and otherwise, but most of them got shunted to B-sides - -- "Take Me Down" was the only one that made it to ''Mellon Collie'', "Blew Away" got relegated to ''Pisces Iscariot'', "...said sadly" Said Sadly" (with [[TheCameo additional vocals]] by Nina Gordon) and the cover of "[[Music/SydBarrett Terrapin]]" were released on the ''Rarities & B-sides'' compilation, and so on.



* SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute: After D'arcy Wretzky and James Iha declined to participate in the second incarnation of the band, Billy replaced them with...another female bassist and an Asian-American guitarist.

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* SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute: After D'arcy Wretzky and James Iha declined to participate in the second incarnation of the band, Billy replaced them with...another Another female bassist and an Asian-American guitarist.



* TitleDrop: Too many straight examples and [[NonAppearingTitle aversions]] to list here. Examples of ''near''-title drops, however, include "Where Boys Fear to Tread" (which contains the line "to ''tread'' lightning/and ink the lavender skies" but the full title is never said) and "Jellybelly" (which contains the line "down in the ''belly'' of the beast").

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* TitleDrop: Too many straight examples and [[NonAppearingTitle aversions]] to list here. Examples of ''near''-title drops, however, include "Where Boys Fear to Tread" (which contains the line "to ''tread'' lightning/and lightning / and ink the lavender skies" but the full title is never said) and "Jellybelly" (which contains the line "down in the ''belly'' of the beast").



* UnusualEuphemism: "I took a Virgin Mary axe to his sweet baby jane... coiled my tongue 'round her bumblebee mouth."

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* UnusualEuphemism: "I took a Virgin Mary axe to his sweet baby jane... coiled Coiled my tongue 'round her bumblebee mouth."



* VideoFullOfFilmClips: "The End Is The Beginning Is The End", off ''Film/BatmanAndRobin''.

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* VideoFullOfFilmClips: "The End Is The is the Beginning Is The is the End", off ''Film/BatmanAndRobin''.
19th Apr '16 5:46:59 PM stuffedninja
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* ObligatoryBondageSong: "Pug" and "Annie-Dog," which take very different views on the subject.

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* ObligatoryBondageSong: "Pug" and "Annie-Dog," which take very different views on the subject. While "Pug" is from the perspective of someone [[SafeSaneAndConsensual who enjoys the relationship]], "Annie-Dog" is a narration of the [[TearJerker horr]][[BondageIsBad ible]] lifestyle of someone that may or may not be a prostitute.



* ReArrangeTheSong: ''Adore''[='=]s sombre acoustic work and ''Machina''[='=]s poppier songs got the "Pumpkins treatment" in concerts, showing just how anchored they were in Corgan's songwriting process.

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* ReArrangeTheSong: RearrangeTheSong: ''Adore''[='=]s sombre acoustic work and ''Machina''[='=]s poppier songs got the "Pumpkins treatment" in concerts, showing just how anchored they were in Corgan's songwriting process.
7th Apr '16 2:48:37 PM stuffedninja
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* AdultsAreUseless: In the "Rocket" video, a group of kids build a rocket to travel to another planet to see the Pumpkins perform without as much as a word of questioning from their inattentive parents. They don't really seem to notice until they see the rocket take off.



* BaldOfAwesome: Billy, starting in the Mellon Collie era, although some may view it as BaldOfEvil.
** The "Ava Adore" music video [[NightmareFuel really supports this hypothesis.]]

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* BaldOfAwesome: Billy, starting in the Mellon Collie ''Mellon Collie'' era, although some may view it as BaldOfEvil.
**
BaldOfEvil. The "Ava Adore" music video [[NightmareFuel really supports this hypothesis.]]
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