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18th Jan '18 8:09:09 PM CassandraLeo
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* ConspiracyTheorist: In recent years Corgan seems to have fallen into this.
18th Jan '18 8:01:28 PM CassandraLeo
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In the interim, Corgan formed a new band, Zwan, with Chamberlin, Music/{{Slint}}[=/=]Tortoise guitarist David Pajo, Music/APerfectCircle member Paz Lenchantin, and New Jersey-based guitarist Matt Sweeney. The {{Supergroup}} toured extensively and, in 2003, released the album ''Mary Star of the Sea'', which was fairly similar in sound to ''Siamese Dream'', but with more PowerPop and PostRock influence (perhaps unsurprising considering the band's pedigree). The album was well-received critically and debuted at #3 on the Billboard charts, selling 90,000 copies in its first week, but it quickly fell down the charts, and ultimately fell fall short of the commercial performance of any Pumpkins album. The album actually reflected only one of two sides of Zwan, that of True Poets of Zwan. The other, Djali Zwan, was more acoustic and featured cellist Ana Lenchantin (Paz' sister). However, Djali Zwan never recorded any material, because personality conflicts between the members resulted in the band's breakup. For a long time, Corgan refused to play Zwan material live and seemed to have nothing but vitriol towards some of his erstwhile bandmates in Zwan, though his stance has softened somewhat in recent years, and he began performing Zwan material again in 2014. It remains to be seen whether re-releases of Zwan material will follow; there is rumoured to be a rather substantial amount of music in the vaults.

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In the interim, Corgan formed a new band, Zwan, with Chamberlin, Music/{{Slint}}[=/=]Tortoise guitarist David Pajo, Music/APerfectCircle member Paz Lenchantin, and New Jersey-based guitarist Matt Sweeney. The {{Supergroup}} toured extensively and, in 2003, released the album ''Mary Star of the Sea'', which was fairly similar in sound to ''Siamese Dream'', but with more PowerPop and PostRock influence (perhaps unsurprising considering the band's pedigree). The album was well-received critically and debuted at #3 on the Billboard charts, selling 90,000 copies in its first week, but it quickly fell down the charts, and ultimately fell fall short of the commercial performance of any Pumpkins album. The album actually reflected only one of two sides of Zwan, that of True Poets of Zwan. The other, Djali Zwan, was more acoustic and featured cellist Ana Lenchantin (Paz' sister). However, Djali Zwan never recorded officially released any material, because personality conflicts between the members resulted in the band's breakup. For a long time, Corgan refused to play Zwan material live and seemed to have nothing but vitriol towards some of his erstwhile bandmates in Zwan, though his stance has softened somewhat in recent years, and he began performing Zwan material again in 2014. It remains to be seen whether re-releases of Zwan material will follow; there is rumoured to be a rather substantial amount of music in the vaults.
18th Jan '18 8:00:45 PM CassandraLeo
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In '05, Corgan released his solo album. He then upstaged himself by, on the very same day, announcing that he was reforming the Smashing Pumpkins. He and Chamberlin were the only permanent members (Iha and Wretzky are on record as declining to participate, and Auf der Maur's offer to rejoin wasn't accepted), which also changed after the release of their first post-reunion album. Chamberlin's split was amicable this time; he has been replaced by the 19 year old newcomer Mike Byrne, and current bassist Nicole Fiorentino and guitarist Jeff Schroeder are also participating in-studio. The Pumpkins are once again experimenting with digital distribution; they planned to release ''Teargarden by Kaleidyscope'' [sic] song by song for free on [[http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/ their website]]. This concept was initially interrupted by 2012's ''Oceania'', an album released the traditional way; with the subsequent release of 2014's ''Monuments to an Elegy'' and another album set for 2016, the experiment appears to be concluded.

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In the interim, Corgan formed a new band, Zwan, with Chamberlin, Music/{{Slint}}[=/=]Tortoise guitarist David Pajo, Music/APerfectCircle member Paz Lenchantin, and New Jersey-based guitarist Matt Sweeney. The {{Supergroup}} toured extensively and, in 2003, released the album ''Mary Star of the Sea'', which was fairly similar in sound to ''Siamese Dream'', but with more PowerPop and PostRock influence (perhaps unsurprising considering the band's pedigree). The album was well-received critically and debuted at #3 on the Billboard charts, selling 90,000 copies in its first week, but it quickly fell down the charts, and ultimately fell fall short of the commercial performance of any Pumpkins album. The album actually reflected only one of two sides of Zwan, that of True Poets of Zwan. The other, Djali Zwan, was more acoustic and featured cellist Ana Lenchantin (Paz' sister). However, Djali Zwan never recorded any material, because personality conflicts between the members resulted in the band's breakup. For a long time, Corgan refused to play Zwan material live and seemed to have nothing but vitriol towards some of his erstwhile bandmates in Zwan, though his stance has softened somewhat in recent years, and he began performing Zwan material again in 2014. It remains to be seen whether re-releases of Zwan material will follow; there is rumoured to be a rather substantial amount of music in the vaults.

In '05, Corgan released his first solo album.album, ''The Future Embrace''. He then upstaged himself by, on the very same day, announcing that he was reforming the Smashing Pumpkins. He and Chamberlin were the only permanent members (Iha and Wretzky are on record as declining to participate, and Auf der Maur's offer to rejoin wasn't accepted), which also changed after the release of their first post-reunion album. Chamberlin's split was amicable this time; he has been replaced by the 19 year old newcomer Mike Byrne, and current bassist Nicole Fiorentino and guitarist Jeff Schroeder are also participating in-studio. The Pumpkins are once again experimenting with digital distribution; they planned to release ''Teargarden by Kaleidyscope'' [sic] song by song for free on [[http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/ their website]]. This concept was initially interrupted by 2012's ''Oceania'', an album released the traditional way; with the subsequent release of 2014's ''Monuments to an Elegy'' and another album set for 2016, sometime in the near future, the experiment appears to be concluded.


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For years, Corgan doesn't seem to have spoken to Iha or Wretzky. However, Iha joined Corgan, Chamberlin, and Schroeder onstage on March 16, 2016 (Iha's birthday). Since then, he has made a few additional appearances with Corgan, including providing guest guitar/Mellotron for one song on Corgan's second solo album, 2017's ''Ogalia''. In August 2017, Corgan also indicated that he had been speaking to Wretzky for the first time in years. Corgan and Chamberlin have both hinted that the original lineup may reunite, and while no official confirmation has been made, in January 2018, Corgan tweeted out a photo of himself, Iha, and Chamberlin in a recording studio.
18th Jan '18 7:38:08 PM CassandraLeo
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* HeavyMetal: On the whole, they aren't ''exactly'' a metal band, but several of their songs ("Tales of a Scorched Earth", "X.Y.U.", "Zero", "Silverfuck", "The Aeroplane Flies High", etc.) are heavy enough to qualify as metal songs. Corgan is a huge metal fan; as mentioned above, he cited the late Music/{{Pantera}} guitarist Dimebag Darrell as his favourite contemporary guitarist and has been known to gush at length about the works of bands like Music/JudasPriest, Music/BlackSabbath, Music/LedZeppelin, Music/{{Rainbow}}, Music/{{Metallica}}, and others. Some reviewers have even credited the Pumpkins with helping to restore metal's respectability (or to make it respectable in the first place if you felt it'd never been considered respectable before the '90s).



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* MetalScreamMetalScream: Corgan has a pretty sweet one at times, though somehow, even when he uses it, he usually still doesn't entirely escape PerishingAltRockVoice. "Tales of a Scorched Earth" may be the most extreme example one.


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* PostRock: An influence on their later material as well as on Zwan (not surprising since David Pajo of Music/{{Slint}} was a member of the latter). ''Oceania'' has a few shout-outs to seminal post-metal band Music/{{Isis}}, mentioned below.


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* ProgressiveRock: While this has never been their dominant style, they've had some tendencies of it throughout their career, and on the whole, it's probably only grown with time; ThatOtherWiki actually classifies ''Oceania'' as a prog rock album (alongside psychedelic rock and the expected alternative rock. They still don't have a page on Prog Archives, though). A few songs on most of their other albums could also be categorised as prog, and Corgan has named several prog and prog-adjacent acts as influences (Music/PinkFloyd, Music/{{Rush}}, Music/{{Queen}}, Music/ElectricLightOrchestra, Music/DavidBowie, etc.). Some of their songs ("Silverfuck", "X.Y.U.", "The Aeroplane Flies High", etc.) may also qualify as ProgressiveMetal.
* PsychedelicRock: One of Corgan's favourite music genres, and some of their work itself falls into this genre. Corgan has named seminal psychedelic acts like Music/JimiHendrix, Music/TheDoors, and Music/TheBeatles as major influences on his work.


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** The "Johnny" of "Tribute to Johnny" is American blues guitarist Johnny Winter.
18th Jan '18 7:15:40 PM CassandraLeo
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* ThreeChordsAndTheTruth: Averted. ''You'' try building six-plus-minute songs with forty-plus layers of guitar overdubs. (This may be part of the reason for Corgan's frequent {{Creator Breakdown}}s.)
18th Jan '18 7:13:20 PM CassandraLeo
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The Pumpkins claim inspiration from bands like Music/{{Queen}}, Music/{{Boston}}, Music/MyBloodyValentine and Music/TheCure. What is really interesting, though, is that almost nobody claims to take any inspiration from ''them''; just about the only bands on record for that are Music/MyChemicalRomance, Kill Hannah, and neo-[[{{Shoegazing}} shoegaze]] band Music/SilversunPickups (though considerably less than is often credited to them; the band hadn't even listened to ''Siamese Dream'' until after their first album). Oh, and they're on VideoGame/GuitarHero, VideoGame/RockBand and the soundtracks for several blockbuster movies, such as the first live-action ''Film/{{Transformers}}'' excursion. Corgan was also featured as a playable character in VideoGame/GuitarHero World Tour.

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The Pumpkins claim inspiration from bands like Music/{{Queen}}, Music/{{Boston}}, Music/MyBloodyValentine and Music/TheCure. They have, in fact, been almost deliberately unfashionable at times - Corgan has noted that his musical interests, such as HeavyMetal, PsychedelicRock, and ProgressiveRock, were completely out of fashion during the early '90s when the band first found its commercial success, particularly with critics.[[note]]Corgan cited the late Music/{{Pantera}} guitarist Dimebag Darrell as his favourite contemporary guitarist and, when an interviewer mentioned his love of metal, raved at length about his love of Music/BlackSabbath's ''Master of Reality'' and Music/JudasPriest's ''Unleashed in the East''.[[/note]] Some critics have even credited the Pumpkins with helping metal (re)gain critical legitimacy. What is really interesting, though, is that almost nobody claims to take any inspiration from ''them''; just about the only bands bands/artists on record for that are Music/MyChemicalRomance, Music/PanicAtTheDisco, Music/MarilynManson, Kill Hannah, Music/TeganAndSara, Music/NellyFurtado, and neo-[[{{Shoegazing}} shoegaze]] band Music/SilversunPickups (though considerably less than is often credited to them; the band hadn't even listened to ''Siamese Dream'' until after their first album). Oh, and they're on VideoGame/GuitarHero, VideoGame/RockBand and the soundtracks for several blockbuster movies, such as the first live-action ''Film/{{Transformers}}'' excursion. Corgan was also featured as a playable character in VideoGame/GuitarHero World Tour.



* ''Day for Night'' (expected to be released in 2017)

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* ''Day for Night'' (expected to be released in 2017)
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* EpicRocking: Quite a lot -- "Rhinoceros" (6:30), "Hummer" (6:56), "Soma" (6:38), "Silverfuck" (8:43), "Porcelina of the Vast Oceans" (9:22), "Thru the Eyes of Ruby" (7:38), "X.Y.U." (7:07), "Tear" (5:54), "Shame" (6:41), "For Martha" (8:17), "Glass and the Ghost Children" (9:56), "Heavy Metal Machine (Alternate Take)" (6:28), "In My Body" (6:44), "Starla" (11:01), "The Aeroplane Flies High (Turns Left, Looks Right)" (8:36) ...Oh, we could go on.

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* EpicRocking: Quite a lot -- "Rhinoceros" (6:30), "Drown" (8:17), "Hummer" (6:56), "Soma" (6:38), "Silverfuck" (8:43), "Starla" (11:01), "Porcelina of the Vast Oceans" (9:22), "Thru the Eyes of Ruby" (7:38), "X.Y.U." (7:07), "The Aeroplane Flies High (Turns Left, Looks Right)" (8:36), "Tear" (5:54), "Shame" (6:41), "For Martha" (8:17), "Glass and the Ghost Children" (9:56), "Heavy Metal Machine (Alternate Take)" (6:28), "In My Body" (6:44), "Starla" (11:01), "The Aeroplane Flies High (Turns Left, Looks Right)" (8:36) ...(6:44) ...Oh, we could go on.
17th Jan '18 6:26:55 PM CassandraLeo
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* AsLongAsItSoundsForeign: They have a few songs with faux-foreign titles. "La Dolly Vita" is one example. "La Vita" means "The Life" in Italian, but "Dolly" doesn't mean anything in Italian at all - it's an English word. Then again, since most of their song titles are {{Word Salad Title}}s anyway, this is par for the course.

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* AsLongAsItSoundsForeign: They have a few songs with faux-foreign titles. "La Dolly Vita" is one example. "La Vita" means "The Life" in Italian, but "Dolly" doesn't mean anything in Italian at all - it's an English word. (This particular title is probably a PunBasedTitle on ''Film/LaDolceVita''.) Then again, since most of their song titles are {{Word Salad Title}}s anyway, this is par for the course.
17th Jan '18 2:39:33 PM CassandraLeo
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* ClusterFBomb: The lyrics to the extremely serene "Spaced" actually have several examples of this, though because they're mixed quietly and heavily distorted, it's difficult to hear at first. That's actually among the ''least'' [[LyricalDissonance lyrically dissonant]] aspects of the lyrics; the song also appears to deal with issues like ParentalAbuse, though in a rather oblique fashion.



* LyricalDissonance: "Today" musically (mostly) upbeat, lyrically [[SarcasmMode sarcastic]] and based on Corgan's depression and suicidal thoughts.

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"Today" musically (mostly) upbeat, lyrically [[SarcasmMode sarcastic]] and based on Corgan's depression and suicidal thoughts.thoughts.
** "Spaced" is an even more extreme example, as mentioned above under ClusterFBomb
17th Jan '18 2:35:34 PM CassandraLeo
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** A remastered reissue is scheduled for 2015. It will include all of the material from ''Machina II'' (sequenced to fit Corgan's original concept of a double album, before ExecutiveMeddling set in) as well as additional bonus material, presumably around the size of the ''Adore'' reissue.

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** A remastered reissue is was originally scheduled for 2015. 2015 but has been subject to DevelopmentHell and/or ScheduleSlip, evidently due to issues with litigious record companies. It will is intended to include all of the material from ''Machina II'' (sequenced to fit Corgan's original concept of a double album, before ExecutiveMeddling set in) as well as additional bonus material, presumably around the size of the ''Adore'' reissue.



** And now, to dive fully down the rabbit hole of re-release bonus tracks.
*** ''Gish'': "Starla (2011 mix)" (11:01); "Drown (alternate guitar solo)" (8:17); the DVD's live versions of "Window Paine" (6:25) and "Sookie Sookie" (6:35).
*** ''Siamese Dream'': "Siamese Dream (Broadway rehearsals demo)" (6:18); "Hello Kitty Kat (Soundworks demo)" (6:14); "Ache (Silverfuck rehearsal demo)" (6:57); "Soma (instrumental mix)" (6:39); the DVD's live versions of "Soma" (7:21), "Starla" (9:21), "Hummer" (8:42), "Siva" (8:35), "Mayonaise" (10:29), "Drown" (8:25), and "Silverfuck" (13:30).
*** ''Pisces Iscariot'': "Crawl (Gish sessions outtake)" (6:55); "Why Am I So Tired (live in studio demo)" (15:14); the bonus DVD's versions of "My Eternity" (7:00) and "Death of a Mind" (6:42). (There are actually several takes of a few tracks on the DVD, but for the sake of this list, each of them is counted as its own track.)
*** ''Mellon Collie'': "X.Y.U. (take 11)" (7:11); "Porcelina of the Vast Oceans (live studio rough)" (9:06); "The Aeroplane Flies High (Turns Left, Looks Right)" (8:33); the live DVD's versions of "Thru the Eyes of Ruby" (8:06), "Porcelina of the Vast Oceans" (9:41), "Cherub Rock" (6:30), and "X.Y.U." (8:51).
*** ''The Aeroplane Flies High'': in addition to the aforementioned version of "Silverfuck" (34:48), disc six's live versions of "X.Y.U." (7:38), "Porcelina of the Vast Oceans/Beautiful/Rocket medley" (12:33), and "Silverfuck" (13:54), and the DVD's live versions of "Thru the Eyes of Ruby" (7:56), "X.Y.U." (10:11), "Porcelina of the Vast Oceans" (12:14), and "The Aeroplane Flies High (Turns Left, Looks Right)" (10:31).
*** ''Adore'': "For Martha (take 1/CRC demo)" (7:20); disc 6's live versions of "Tear" (7:01), "Blank Page" (7:52), "To Sheila" (7:17), "X.Y.U. Medley" (11:20), and "Transmission" (12:52); the DVD's live versions of "To Sheila" (7:11), "Tear" (9:59), "Thru the Eyes of Ruby" (10:15), "The Tale of Dusty and Pistol Pete" (10:20), "Shame" (9:17), "For Martha" (8:25), "Blank Page" (9:48), and the aforementioned "Transmission" (25:52).
*** ''Machina'': We'll find out what examples there are if the record company ever lets Billy re-release it.



** The entire catalogue from ''Gish'' to ''Machina'' is receiving this treatment, with releases from 2011 to 2015. Each album, including the b-side collections, is being repackaged with alternate takes, demos, outtakes and a live DVD showcasing the band's set from each album's period. While the first few releases were slim affairs, ''Mellon Collie'' emerged with a whopping 5 discs and 1 DVD, and each following release is just getting bigger. ''Adore'' featured the vinyl's mono version in digital for the first time, while ''Machina'' is to be sequenced like the original double album that was envisioned.

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** The entire catalogue from ''Gish'' to ''Machina'' is receiving this treatment, with releases intended to take place from 2011 to 2015.2015 (all of the releases through ''Adore'' have already occurred, but ''Machina'', which is intended to be a full-blown ReCut of the album, is evidently stuck in DevelopmentHell due to issues with [[ExecutiveMeddling litigious record companies]]). Each album, including the b-side collections, is being repackaged with alternate takes, demos, outtakes and a live DVD showcasing the band's set from each album's period. While the first few releases were slim affairs, ''Mellon Collie'' emerged with a whopping 5 discs and 1 DVD, and each following release is just getting bigger. ''Adore'' featured the vinyl's mono version in digital for the first time, while ''Machina'' is to will be the equivalent of a DirectorsCut, sequenced like the original double album that was envisioned.Corgan envisioned, if it ever gets SavedFromDevelopmentHell.



** ''Machina'' is being reissued in its original double album format with the songs from ''Machina II'' included. Part of this will include a fake concert, much like Music/PinkFloyd's ''Music/TheWall'' did.

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** ''Machina'' ''Machina'', if the intended ReCut is being ever SavedFromDevelopmentHell, will be reissued in its original double album format with the songs from ''Machina II'' included. Part of this will include a fake concert, much like Music/PinkFloyd's ''Music/TheWall'' did.
17th Jan '18 2:17:34 PM CassandraLeo
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* EpicRocking: Quite a lot -- "Rhinoceros", "Hummer", "Soma", "Silverfuck", "Porcelina of the Vast Oceans", "Thru the Eyes of Ruby", "X.Y.U.", "Tear", "Shame", "Cherub Rock," "For Martha", "Glass and the Ghost Children", "Heavy Metal Machine (Alternate Take)", "In My Body", "Starla", "The Aeroplane Flies High (Turns Left, Looks Right)" ...Oh, we could go on.
** Live versions of "Silverfuck" were known to take the 9-minute song as far as 40 minutes. The 2013 reissue of ''The Aeroplane Flies High'' featured an officially released 35-minute version. "Transmission" could go on for a long time, too; the DVD on the reissue of ''Adore'' has a version that goes on for nearly twenty-six minutes.
** Billy's other band, Zwan, had "Jesus, I / Mary Star of the Sea", which went on for over fourteen minutes. Even if this example is counted as two songs, which it sort of is, "Jesus, I" clocks in at about 7:54 and "Mary Star of the Sea" at about 6:10, depending upon where one places the track division (one could also argue about three minutes are an interlude that doesn't properly belong to either song, but this particular division places them at the end of "Jesus, I").

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* EpicRocking: Quite a lot -- "Rhinoceros", "Hummer", "Soma", "Silverfuck", "Rhinoceros" (6:30), "Hummer" (6:56), "Soma" (6:38), "Silverfuck" (8:43), "Porcelina of the Vast Oceans", Oceans" (9:22), "Thru the Eyes of Ruby", Ruby" (7:38), "X.Y.U.", "Tear", "Shame", "Cherub Rock," " (7:07), "Tear" (5:54), "Shame" (6:41), "For Martha", Martha" (8:17), "Glass and the Ghost Children", Children" (9:56), "Heavy Metal Machine (Alternate Take)", Take)" (6:28), "In My Body", "Starla", Body" (6:44), "Starla" (11:01), "The Aeroplane Flies High (Turns Left, Looks Right)" ...Right)" (8:36) ...Oh, we could go on.
** Live versions of "Silverfuck" were known to take the 9-minute song as far as 40 minutes. The 2013 reissue of ''The Aeroplane Flies High'' featured an officially released 35-minute 34:48 version. "Transmission" could go on for a long time, too; the DVD on the reissue of ''Adore'' has a version that goes on for nearly twenty-six minutes.
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** Billy's other band, Zwan, had "Jesus, I / Mary Star of the Sea", which went on for over fourteen minutes. 14:04. Even if this example is counted as two songs, which it sort of is, "Jesus, I" clocks in at about 7:54 and "Mary Star of the Sea" at about 6:10, depending upon where one places the track division (one could also argue that about three minutes of this track are an interlude that doesn't properly belong to either song, but this particular division places them at the end of "Jesus, I").
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