History Music / AlicesRestaurant

7th Dec '17 7:46:19 AM KingLyger
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The song is talking-blues-style with a sung refrain[[note]]The refrain, confusingly, is introduced with the words, "This song is called Alice's Restaurant"...[[/note]]. It's a recounting of a [[EpicRocking long-winded]] and exaggerated but [[BasedOnATrueStory basically true story]] of a young Arlo Guthrie's experience one Thanksgiving Day. Arlo tried to do [[ASimplePlan a simple favor]] for his friend Alice by trying to take her garbage to the dump, but since it was Thanksgiving, the dump was closed. He threw the garbage over a cliff instead, only to be arrested and fined for littering, and later being judged "morally unfit" to be shipped off to fight in Vietnam because of it. Arlo points out the absurdity that a person with a littering conviction is considered morally unfit to go to war and "burn women, kids, houses and villages", and ends it with an anti-war message (or is it an "anti-stupidity" message?).

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The song is talking-blues-style with a sung refrain[[note]]The refrain, confusingly, is introduced with the words, "This song is called Alice's Restaurant"...[[/note]]. It's a recounting of a [[EpicRocking long-winded]] and exaggerated but [[BasedOnATrueStory basically true story]] of a young Arlo Guthrie's experience one Thanksgiving Day. Arlo tried to do [[ASimplePlan a simple favor]] for his friend Alice by trying to take taking her garbage to the dump, but since it was Thanksgiving, Thanksgiving Day, the dump was closed. He threw the garbage over a cliff instead, only to be arrested and fined for littering, and later being judged "morally unfit" to be shipped off to fight in the Vietnam War because of it. Arlo points out the absurdity that a person with a littering conviction is considered morally unfit to go to war and "burn women, kids, houses and villages", and ends it with an anti-war message (or is it an "anti-stupidity" message?).



* ArsonMurderAndJaywalking: Or in this case, mother-rape, father-stabbing, ''father''-raping... and littering.

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* ArsonMurderAndJaywalking: Or in this case, mother-rape, mother-raping, father-stabbing, ''father''-raping...father-raping... and littering.



--> ''I went over to the sergeant and said, "Sergeant, you got a lot a damn gall to ask me if I've rehabilitated myself, I mean...I mean...I mean that just, I'm sittin' here on the bench, I mean I'm sittin here on the Group W bench, 'cause you wanna know if I'm moral enough to join the army and burn women, kids, houses and villages after bein' a litterbug.''

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--> ''I went over to the sergeant and said, "Sergeant, you got a lot a damn gall to ask me if I've rehabilitated myself, I mean...I mean...I mean that just, I'm sittin' here on the bench, I mean I'm sittin sitting here on the Group W bench, 'cause you wanna know if I'm moral enough to join the army and burn women, kids, houses and villages after bein' being a litterbug.''



* EpicRocking: The title track takes up more than 18 minutes, and updated versions are sometimes ''even longer''.

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* EpicRocking: The title track takes up more than 18 minutes, minutes and updated 20 seconds. Updated versions are sometimes ''even longer''.even longer than that.



* MyCountryTisOfTheeThatISting: The title track is a fierce critique of the Vietnam War and the police and military bureaucratism.

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* MyCountryTisOfTheeThatISting: The title track is a fierce critique of the Vietnam War and the police and military bureaucratism.bureaucracy.



* OverlyLongGag: Used often in the song, also arguably the song itself. Guthrie often elaborates a lot of unneccessary plot details or tells the audience things he had already just told them.

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* OverlyLongGag: Used often in the song, also arguably the The song itself. Guthrie often elaborates a lot of unneccessary unnecessary plot details or tells the audience things he had already just told them. It also all works up to a very long BrickJoke.



* ShaggyDogStory: It all works to a punchline that will make you groan.

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* SkewedPriorities: Arlo points out how the army has a "lot of damn gall" to question if he's morally fit to go to the Vietnam War because of a minor littering charge. When he points this out to the sergeant, the sergeant rejects Arlo for draft service.
* ShaggyDogStory: It all works After entertaining the audience with his saga dealing with the littering charge, Arlo says "that's not what I came to a punchline that will make tell you groan.about. I came to talk about the draft."



* TimeMarchesOn: In so many ways. "Alice's Restaurant" deals with UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar, the draft, and the fact that homosexuality disqualified people from military service at the time.

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* TimeMarchesOn: In so many ways. "Alice's Restaurant" deals with UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar, the draft, and the fact that homosexuality disqualified people from military service at the time.



* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: Averted
-->''And it was about four or five hours later that Alice -- remember Alice? This is a song about Alice -- came by''

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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: Averted
Averted.
-->''And it was about four or five hours later that Alice -- remember Alice? This is a song about Alice -- Alice came by''by.''
5th Dec '17 2:41:35 PM KingLyger
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[[caption-width-right:350:"Now, it all started two Thanksgivings ago..."]]



The song is talking-blues-style with a sung refrain,[[note]]The refrain, confusingly, is introduced with the words, "This song is called Alice's Restaurant"...[[/note]] recounting the long-winded (18 minutes!) and exaggerated but basically true story of how a young Arlo Guthrie did a simple favor for his friend Alice by trying to take her garbage to the dump, only to be arrested and fined for littering, and later being judged "morally unfit" to be shipped off to fight in Vietnam. Arlo points out the absurdity that a person with a littering conviction is considered morally unfit to go to war and "burn women, kids, houses and villages", and ends it with an anti-war message (or is it an "anti-stupidity" message?).

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The song is talking-blues-style with a sung refrain,[[note]]The refrain[[note]]The refrain, confusingly, is introduced with the words, "This song is called Alice's Restaurant"...[[/note]] [[/note]]. It's a recounting the long-winded (18 minutes!) of a [[EpicRocking long-winded]] and exaggerated but [[BasedOnATrueStory basically true story story]] of how a young Arlo Guthrie did Guthrie's experience one Thanksgiving Day. Arlo tried to do [[ASimplePlan a simple favor favor]] for his friend Alice by trying to take her garbage to the dump, but since it was Thanksgiving, the dump was closed. He threw the garbage over a cliff instead, only to be arrested and fined for littering, and later being judged "morally unfit" to be shipped off to fight in Vietnam.Vietnam because of it. Arlo points out the absurdity that a person with a littering conviction is considered morally unfit to go to war and "burn women, kids, houses and villages", and ends it with an anti-war message (or is it an "anti-stupidity" message?).



* AlbumFiller: The TitleTrack, which is a funny story in its own right, but could have been a lot more to the point, without Guthrie's {{Padding}}.

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* AlbumFiller: The TitleTrack, which is a funny story in its own right, but could have been a lot more to the point, point without Guthrie's {{Padding}}.



* AxeCrazy: Arlo acts this way in an attempt to get the army psychiatrist to exempt him from duty:

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* AxeCrazy: AxCrazy: Arlo acts this way in an attempt to get the army psychiatrist to exempt him from duty:



* BreadEggsMilkSquick: "[S]hovels and rakes and implements of destruction."
* BreadEggsBreadedEggs: Mother ''Rapers'', ''Father'' Stabbers... ''Father Rapers''.

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* BreadEggsMilkSquick: "[S]hovels To haul away the garbage, Arlo uses "shovels and rakes and implements of destruction."
* BreadEggsBreadedEggs: Mother ''Rapers'', ''Father'' Rapers, Father Stabbers... ''Father Rapers''.



* InsaneTrollLogic: Obie takes Arlo's wallet so he doesn't have any money to spend in jail, but also takes his belt because he doesn't want any hangings. Arlo even says, "Obie, did you think I was gonna hang myself for littering?" TruthInTelevision - it's routine for the police to remove belts and shoelaces when someone is detained, no matter what they were arrested for.

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* InsaneTrollLogic: Obie takes Arlo's wallet so he doesn't have any money to spend in jail, but also takes his belt because he doesn't want any hangings. Arlo even says, "Obie, did you think I was gonna hang myself for littering?" TruthInTelevision - it's routine for the police to remove belts and shoelaces when someone is detained, no matter what they were arrested for. Of course, it's then exaggerated for comedy when Arlo insists Obie also took out the toilet seat so Arlo couldn't hit himself over the head and drown.
27th Nov '17 5:12:52 PM PaulA
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* AluminumChristmasTrees: The court hearing is two days after Thanksgiving -- which is to say, ''Saturday'', when most courts do not hold session. However, the [[http://www.captainfatherjohn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/image20.jpg contemporary news report]] in the ''Berkshire Eagle'' states that they were indeed in court on the Saturday.



* ArtisticLicenseLaw: The court hearing is two days after Thanksgiving - which is to say, ''Saturday'', when most courts do not hold session.
** The [[http://www.captainfatherjohn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/image20.jpg contemporary news report]] in the ''Berkshire Eagle'' states that they were indeed in court on the Saturday. RealityIsUnrealistic.
27th Nov '17 9:29:34 AM MockFerret
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** The [[https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23754824_1497403306980740_8667734382423231279_n.jpg contemporary news report]] in the ''Berkshire Eagle'' states that they were indeed in court on the Saturday. RealityIsUnrealistic.

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** The [[https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23754824_1497403306980740_8667734382423231279_n.[[http://www.captainfatherjohn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/image20.jpg contemporary news report]] in the ''Berkshire Eagle'' states that they were indeed in court on the Saturday. RealityIsUnrealistic.
27th Nov '17 9:27:09 AM MockFerret
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** The [[https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23754824_1497403306980740_8667734382423231279_n.jpg contemporary news report]] in the ''Berkshire Eagle'' states that they were indeed in court on the Saturday. RealityIsUnrealistic.
23rd Nov '17 1:55:36 PM Ezclee4050
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* BuffySpeak: The "cop equipment" at the "police officer's station".
19th Nov '17 10:19:42 AM DrSlide
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* DashinglyDapperDerby: Alice's bowler hat on the cover.

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* DashinglyDapperDerby: Alice's Guthrie's bowler hat on the cover.
8th Nov '17 2:52:32 PM NWolfman
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* BreadEggsMilkSquick: "[S]hovels and rakes and implements of destruction."
7th Nov '17 2:04:47 PM Ezclee4050
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!! He said "Kid, we found your name on an envelope at the bottom of a pile of tropes...":

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!! He said "Kid, we found your name on an envelope at the bottom of a pile half a ton of tropes...":
7th Nov '17 1:50:36 PM Ezclee4050
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* AdaptationNameChange: Invoked by Guthrie when he admits that Alice's Restaurant wasn't the actual name of the restaurant (Alice Brock's restaurant was called The Back Room Rest, because it was in the back of its building).
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