History MotiveDecay / AnimeAndManga

25th Apr '16 7:56:18 AM GordyTepig
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* Divine of ''Anime/YuGiOh5Ds'' starts out as some sort of VisionaryVillain, being the leader of a movement giving shelter to the repudiated Psychic Duelists, wanting to form an army with them to take revenge on all the people hating and shunning them, making the world a better place for Psychic Duelists. Though his plans got foiled by his sudden death. But [[AssPull miraculously]] he returned and CharacterDerailment did take the best of him. While he was always close to the MoralEventHorizon, but also had his goals and clearly shared more with Aki than just [[MoreThanMindControl mind control]], he suddenly forgot all about his earlier intentions, turned into a psychopathic dumbass, causing his own death with the most ridiculous EngineeredPublicConfession and got eaten by a giant lizard just in time to exculpate Aki from all guilt and before he was about to [[NotTooDeadToSaveTheDay kill the main character]]. However, Divine is subject to a bit of AlternateCharacterInterpretation as it's hard to discern where his [[BitchInSheepsClothing facade of geniality]] ends and his true feelings begin due to his being such a ManipulativeBastard.
11th Apr '16 7:41:54 AM XTC
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** Also, Wing Saber in ''Anime/TransformersEnergon''. After his buddy Padlock is killed by Shockblast, Wing Saber swears he will have justice. Kind of vanishes after they capture Shockblast and he then escapes.
** Also, Kicker in ''Anime/TransformersEnergon'' (okay, let's just say that everybody in ''Energon'' just wanders aimlessly through the show, not really knowing what they're doing or why). In Kicker's case, his hatred of the Transformers just quietly vanishes.
11th Apr '16 6:59:25 AM XTC
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* Rodimus in ''Anime/TransformersEnergon''. He had his own agenda and came into conflict with Optimus Prime, but mere episodes later was just one of the soldiers doing what he's told -- in spite of being of equivalent experience and reputation as Optimus Prime (in the Japanese version, he's Rodimus Convoy, holding the same rank as Grand Convoy).
5th Apr '16 1:42:04 AM Nintendoman01
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** Van Zant, the AxCrazy gunman from the Buu Saga who goes on a killing spree on his own during Majin Buu's rampage. His initial reason for doing so was [[ApocalypseAnarchy because he thinks that since Buu's going to destroy the world anyway, he can do whatever he wants]]. Eventually, this leads to him trying to kill Buu himself because he wants to keep killing people.
21st Mar '16 4:05:44 PM Vir
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* This sort of thing happened across international lines as part of Creator/FourKidsEntertainment's dub of ''Anime/YuGiOh''. They usually played down the sympathy-inducing backstories of the villains and made them more evil. Pegasus' goal was the same (to bring back his lover Cecilia) but the methods were more ruthless. In the original, he needed to defeat Yugi so that he could gain control of Kaibacorp's technology and create a ''hologram'' of Cecilia to live with. In the dub, he wanted Yugi's Millennium Puzzle and all Millennium Items so that he could bring Cecilia's soul back and infuse it into the hologram. It's said in the dub that in doing so, he could inadvertently destroy the world. Although probably unintentional, [[{{Woolseyism}} this motive shift actually makes sense in the long run]], as the seven items together DO open the door to the afterlife (where Pegasus could get Cecilia's soul) and also unleash the power of Zorc Necrophades into the world, which could indeed destroy it against Pegasus's wishes (this is Yami Bakura's intentional goal.)

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* This sort of thing happened across international lines as part of Creator/FourKidsEntertainment's dub of ''Anime/YuGiOh''. ''Anime/YuGiOh'' They usually played down the sympathy-inducing backstories of the villains and made them more evil. Pegasus' goal was the same (to bring back his lover Cecilia) but the methods were more ruthless. In the original, he needed to defeat Yugi so that he could gain control of Kaibacorp's technology and create a ''hologram'' of Cecilia to live with. In the dub, he wanted Yugi's Millennium Puzzle and all Millennium Items so that he could bring Cecilia's soul back and infuse it into the hologram. It's said in the dub that in doing so, he could inadvertently destroy the world. Although probably unintentional, [[{{Woolseyism}} this motive shift actually makes sense in the long run]], as the seven items together DO open the door to the afterlife (where Pegasus could get Cecilia's soul) and also unleash the power of Zorc Necrophades into the world, which could indeed destroy it against Pegasus's wishes (this is Yami Bakura's intentional goal.)
21st Mar '16 4:02:16 PM Vir
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* This sort of thing happened across international lines as part of FourKidsEntertainment's dub of ''Anime/YuGiOh''. They usually played down the sympathy-inducing backstories of the villains and made them more evil. Pegasus' goal was the same (to bring back his lover Cecilia) but the methods were more ruthless. In the original, he needed to defeat Yugi so that he could gain control of Kaibacorp's technology and create a ''hologram'' of Cecilia to live with. In the dub, he wanted Yugi's Millennium Puzzle and all Millennium Items so that he could bring Cecilia's soul back and infuse it into the hologram. It's said in the dub that in doing so, he could inadvertently destroy the world. Although probably unintentional, [[{{Woolseyism}} this motive shift actually makes sense in the long run]], as the seven items together DO open the door to the afterlife (where Pegasus could get Cecilia's soul) and also unleash the power of Zorc Necrophades into the world, which could indeed destroy it against Pegasus's wishes (this is Yami Bakura's intentional goal.)

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* This sort of thing happened across international lines as part of FourKidsEntertainment's Creator/FourKidsEntertainment's dub of ''Anime/YuGiOh''. They usually played down the sympathy-inducing backstories of the villains and made them more evil. Pegasus' goal was the same (to bring back his lover Cecilia) but the methods were more ruthless. In the original, he needed to defeat Yugi so that he could gain control of Kaibacorp's technology and create a ''hologram'' of Cecilia to live with. In the dub, he wanted Yugi's Millennium Puzzle and all Millennium Items so that he could bring Cecilia's soul back and infuse it into the hologram. It's said in the dub that in doing so, he could inadvertently destroy the world. Although probably unintentional, [[{{Woolseyism}} this motive shift actually makes sense in the long run]], as the seven items together DO open the door to the afterlife (where Pegasus could get Cecilia's soul) and also unleash the power of Zorc Necrophades into the world, which could indeed destroy it against Pegasus's wishes (this is Yami Bakura's intentional goal.)
21st Mar '16 4:02:07 PM Vir
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** Misty's ''overt'' goal is to be a Water Pokémon Master.[[note]]Her ''covert'' goal is [[TheGloriousWarOfSisterlyRivalry to get out from under her sisters' thumbnails]]. She seems to be able to accomplish this by staying with Ash until ''they'' decide to quit the Gym altogether.[[/note]] However, aside from a few episodes in Johto, [[InformedAttribute She never gets any chance to demonstrate any battling proficiency]] and her Kanto captures were more accidents than applications of knowledge.

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** Misty's ''overt'' goal is to be a Water Pokémon Master.[[note]]Her ''covert'' goal is [[TheGloriousWarOfSisterlyRivalry to get out from under her sisters' thumbnails]]. She seems to be able to accomplish this by staying with Ash until ''they'' decide to quit the Gym altogether.[[/note]] However, aside from a few episodes in Johto, [[InformedAttribute She she never gets any chance to demonstrate any battling proficiency]] and her Kanto captures were more accidents than applications of knowledge.
6th Mar '16 11:55:08 PM SSJMagus
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** Misty's ''overt'' goal is to be a Water Pokemon Master.[[note]]Her ''covert'' goal is [[TheGloriousWarOfSisterlyRivalry to get out from under her sisters' thumbnails]]. She seems to be able to accomplish this by staying with Ash until ''they'' decide to quit the Gym altogether.[[/note]] However, aside from a few episodes in Johto, [[InformedAttribute She never gets any chance to demonstrate any battling proficiency]] and her Kanto captures were more accidents than applications of knowledge.
** Also, Ash's goal was ToBeAMaster; that is, to become the world's greatest Pokémon Master (a Pokémon Master being a trainer who is an official part of the Pokémon League). Nowadays, this goal is barely referenced, and Ash seems to be going around fighting Pokémon battles for the heck of it. In Season 9, he was even offered the position of Frontier Brain, which would probably make him a Pokémon Master, but he turned it down.

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** Misty's ''overt'' goal is to be a Water Pokemon Pokémon Master.[[note]]Her ''covert'' goal is [[TheGloriousWarOfSisterlyRivalry to get out from under her sisters' thumbnails]]. She seems to be able to accomplish this by staying with Ash until ''they'' decide to quit the Gym altogether.[[/note]] However, aside from a few episodes in Johto, [[InformedAttribute She never gets any chance to demonstrate any battling proficiency]] and her Kanto captures were more accidents than applications of knowledge.
** Also, Ash's goal was ToBeAMaster; that is, to become the world's greatest Pokémon Master (a Pokémon Master being a trainer who is an official part of the Pokémon League).League, though exactly how one achieves that was always vague). Nowadays, this goal is barely referenced, and Ash seems to be going around fighting Pokémon battles for the heck of it. In Season 9, he was even offered the position of Frontier Brain, which would probably make him a Pokémon Master, but he turned it down.



** Orochimaru's experiments and [[GrandTheftMe his usage of different bodies from ninja]], started as a method to learn every jutsu and [[WhoWantsToLiveForever gain immortality]]. However, his continuous experiments in the Cursed Seal seem not to do that and turn them into monstrous beings, not really related to his original goal. Sasuke actually called him out on this before finishing him.

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** Orochimaru's experiments and [[GrandTheftMe his usage of different bodies from ninja]], started as a method to learn every jutsu and [[WhoWantsToLiveForever gain immortality]]. However, his continuous experiments in the Cursed Seal seem not to do that and turn them into monstrous beings, not really related to his original goal. Sasuke actually called him out on this before finishing him. Then it's later revealed that Orochimaru's original reason for wanting immortality was that he was heartbroken by his parents' deaths and wanted to make sure he'd still be around to meet their reincarnations no matter how long that took. As his immortality research took ever darker turns, he completely forgot about this.



** Blue Cosmos from ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED'' suffers greatly from this trope. Originally they were an environmental pressure group, but after Human genetic enhancement became possible they shifted their focus to preventing widespread genetic modification. After genetic enhancement did become widespread they became a militant/terrorist organization bent on killing anyone who had their DNA altered. When war finally breaks out between the genetically enhanced Coordinators and the natural humans of Earth Blue Cosmos begins artificially enhancing their own people to fight one on one with the Coordinators. Then it all turns out they were just a catspaw to Logos who do it for [[WarForFunAndProfit profit]].

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** Blue Cosmos from ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED'' suffers greatly from this trope. Originally they were an environmental pressure group, but after Human genetic enhancement became possible they shifted their focus to preventing widespread genetic modification. After genetic enhancement did become widespread they became a militant/terrorist organization bent on killing anyone who had their DNA altered. When war finally breaks out between the genetically enhanced Coordinators and the natural humans of Earth Blue Cosmos begins artificially enhancing their own people to fight one on one with the Coordinators.Coordinators ([[SarcasmMode because apparently it's okay if the enhancements are based on cybernetics and addictive drugs rather than genetic modification]]). Then it all turns out they were just a catspaw to Logos who do it for [[WarForFunAndProfit profit]].



** After the aforementioned event in addition to [[spoiler:Nunnally's apparent demise]], Lelouch, who prior to the betrayal had actually assembled a legitimate front in the UFN to battle Britannia, now decides to go it alone, [[TheUnfettered abandoning all personal inhibitions]] and willing to use his geass on anyone and go to even more drastic extremes, including making {{Faceless|Goons}} SlaveMooks out of his new army, detonating the world's biggest energy reserve [[InferredHolocaust and apparently causing more death and destruction than he did during his rebellion pre-betrayal]]. The latter (or former technically) was at least somewhat justified because of [[BlackAndGreyMorality the opposition he faced off against]]. It's not that he became evil per se; the plot justifies it as [[spoiler:him centering the world's hate around him for world peace]]. However, given the leading circumstances and the plausibility of such a plan (and Lelouch's own admission that it was a gamble), it all seemed like a convenient [[DeathSeeker death wish]] for him. The aforementioned fact that causing worse, unnecessitated destruction was a path to atonement, even as a mask, when it is even noted in side materials by Lelouch that there are other methods, makes it seem more a case of {{Designated|Evil}} than NecessarilyEvil.

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** After the aforementioned event in addition to [[spoiler:Nunnally's apparent demise]], Lelouch, who prior to the betrayal had actually assembled a legitimate front in the UFN to battle Britannia, now decides to go it alone, [[TheUnfettered abandoning all personal inhibitions]] and willing to use his geass on anyone and go to even more drastic extremes, including making {{Faceless|Goons}} SlaveMooks out of his new army, detonating the world's biggest energy reserve [[InferredHolocaust and apparently causing more death and destruction than he did during his rebellion pre-betrayal]]. The latter (or former technically) was at least somewhat justified because of [[BlackAndGreyMorality the opposition he faced off against]]. It's not that he became evil per se; the plot justifies it as [[spoiler:him centering the world's hate around him for world peace]]. However, given the leading circumstances and the plausibility of such a plan (and Lelouch's own admission that it was a gamble), it all seemed like a convenient [[DeathSeeker death wish]] for him. The aforementioned fact that causing worse, unnecessitated unnecessary destruction was a path to atonement, even as a mask, when it is even noted in side materials by Lelouch that there are other methods, makes it seem more a case of {{Designated|Evil}} than NecessarilyEvil.
11th Jan '16 3:48:05 PM Bartzv
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* Naraku from ''Manga/InuYasha'' has changed motives so many times that eventually he was evil just for the sake of being evil. Initially, he wanted to use the Shikon no Tama to become a powerful full-fledged youkai, so his goal is getting all the shards of the Jewel. But then, he was somewhat driven by his lust for Kikyo and hatred for Inuyasha, both coming from his human heart, so his goal becomes getting rid of that. He succeeds in separating his physical heart and discarding his feelings for Kikyou, so now his goal changes to killing her. But it turns out he needs both his heart and feelings to do this so the goal becomes reabsorbing them, and when he does, he finally kills her. In the end, he succeeds in getting the whole Shikon Jewel, but he neither absorbs it nor does he wish on it, he just decides to use it to kill his enemies. Naraku himself admits he's not sure what comes next after he's done that. Yes, that's right - he spends ''over 500 issues'' of the manga trying to get the jewel, and once he finally has it, he's not sure what to do with it. Even worse, it's revealed later that he did make a wish on the Jewel but was not granted: to have Kikyou's heart. However, Naraku is an amalgamation of many {{Youkai}} and a human man called Onigumo, so it's understandable that his personality and goals not only change significantly (it has even been a plot point on occasion), but also contradict each other; especially when it comes to Kikyou and the Jewel. The youkai hate Kikyou and want the Jewel to become powerful, but Onigumo "loves" Kikyou and wants the Jewel to have her.

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* Naraku from ''Manga/InuYasha'' has changed motives so many times that eventually he was evil just for the sake of being evil. Initially, he wanted to use the Shikon no Tama to become a powerful full-fledged youkai, so his goal is getting all the shards of the Jewel. But then, he was somewhat driven by his lust for Kikyo and hatred for Inuyasha, both coming from his human heart, so his goal becomes getting rid of that. He succeeds in separating his physical heart and discarding his feelings for Kikyou, so now his goal changes to killing her. But it turns out he needs both his heart and feelings to do this so the goal becomes reabsorbing them, and when he does, he finally kills her. In the end, he succeeds in getting the whole Shikon Jewel, but he neither absorbs it nor does he wish on it, he just decides to use it to kill his enemies. Naraku himself admits he's not sure what comes next after he's done that. Yes, that's right - he spends ''over 500 issues'' of the manga trying to get the jewel, and once he finally has it, he's not sure what to do with it. Even worse, it's revealed later that he did make a wish on the Jewel but was not granted: to have Kikyou's heart. However, Naraku is an amalgamation of many {{Youkai}} and a human man called Onigumo, so it's understandable that his personality traits and goals not only change significantly (it has even been a plot point on occasion), but also contradict each other; especially when it comes to Kikyou and the Jewel. The youkai hate Kikyou and want the Jewel to become powerful, but Onigumo "loves" Kikyou and wants the Jewel to have her.
11th Jan '16 3:44:47 PM Bartzv
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* Naraku from ''Manga/InuYasha'' has changed motives so many times that eventually he was evil just for the sake of being evil. Initially, he wanted to use the Shikon no Tama to become a powerful full-fledged youkai, so his goal is getting all the shards of the Jewel. But then, he was somewhat driven by his lust for Kikyo and hatred for Inuyasha, both coming from his human heart, so his goal becomes getting rid of that. He succeeds in separating his physical heart and discarding his feelings for Kikyou, so now his goal changes to killing her. But it turns out he needs both his heart and feelings to do this so the goal becomes reabsorbing them, and when he does, he finally kills her. In the end, he succeeds in getting the whole Shikon Jewel, but he neither absorbs it nor does he wish on it, he just decides to use it to kill his enemies. Naraku himself admits he's not sure what comes next after he's done that. Yes, that's right - he spends ''over 500 issues'' of the manga trying to get the jewel, and once he finally has it, he's not sure what to do with it. Even worse, it's revealed later that he did make a wish on the Jewel but was not granted: to have Kikyou's heart. However, Naraku is an amalgamation of many {{Youkai}} and a human man called Onigumo, so it's understandable that his personality and goals not only change significantly (it has even been a plot point on occasion), but also contradict; especially when it comes to Kikyou and the Jewel. The youkai hate Kikyou and want the Jewel to become powerful, but Onigumo "loves" Kikyou and wants the Jewel to have her.

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* Naraku from ''Manga/InuYasha'' has changed motives so many times that eventually he was evil just for the sake of being evil. Initially, he wanted to use the Shikon no Tama to become a powerful full-fledged youkai, so his goal is getting all the shards of the Jewel. But then, he was somewhat driven by his lust for Kikyo and hatred for Inuyasha, both coming from his human heart, so his goal becomes getting rid of that. He succeeds in separating his physical heart and discarding his feelings for Kikyou, so now his goal changes to killing her. But it turns out he needs both his heart and feelings to do this so the goal becomes reabsorbing them, and when he does, he finally kills her. In the end, he succeeds in getting the whole Shikon Jewel, but he neither absorbs it nor does he wish on it, he just decides to use it to kill his enemies. Naraku himself admits he's not sure what comes next after he's done that. Yes, that's right - he spends ''over 500 issues'' of the manga trying to get the jewel, and once he finally has it, he's not sure what to do with it. Even worse, it's revealed later that he did make a wish on the Jewel but was not granted: to have Kikyou's heart. However, Naraku is an amalgamation of many {{Youkai}} and a human man called Onigumo, so it's understandable that his personality and goals not only change significantly (it has even been a plot point on occasion), but also contradict; contradict each other; especially when it comes to Kikyou and the Jewel. The youkai hate Kikyou and want the Jewel to become powerful, but Onigumo "loves" Kikyou and wants the Jewel to have her.
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