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11th Jan '16 3:48:05 PM Bartzv
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* Naraku from ''Manga/InuYasha'' has changed motives so many times that eventually he was evil just for the sake of being evil. Initially, he wanted to use the Shikon no Tama to become a powerful full-fledged youkai, so his goal is getting all the shards of the Jewel. But then, he was somewhat driven by his lust for Kikyo and hatred for Inuyasha, both coming from his human heart, so his goal becomes getting rid of that. He succeeds in separating his physical heart and discarding his feelings for Kikyou, so now his goal changes to killing her. But it turns out he needs both his heart and feelings to do this so the goal becomes reabsorbing them, and when he does, he finally kills her. In the end, he succeeds in getting the whole Shikon Jewel, but he neither absorbs it nor does he wish on it, he just decides to use it to kill his enemies. Naraku himself admits he's not sure what comes next after he's done that. Yes, that's right - he spends ''over 500 issues'' of the manga trying to get the jewel, and once he finally has it, he's not sure what to do with it. Even worse, it's revealed later that he did make a wish on the Jewel but was not granted: to have Kikyou's heart. However, Naraku is an amalgamation of many {{Youkai}} and a human man called Onigumo, so it's understandable that his personality and goals not only change significantly (it has even been a plot point on occasion), but also contradict each other; especially when it comes to Kikyou and the Jewel. The youkai hate Kikyou and want the Jewel to become powerful, but Onigumo "loves" Kikyou and wants the Jewel to have her.
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* Naraku from ''Manga/InuYasha'' has changed motives so many times that eventually he was evil just for the sake of being evil. Initially, he wanted to use the Shikon no Tama to become a powerful full-fledged youkai, so his goal is getting all the shards of the Jewel. But then, he was somewhat driven by his lust for Kikyo and hatred for Inuyasha, both coming from his human heart, so his goal becomes getting rid of that. He succeeds in separating his physical heart and discarding his feelings for Kikyou, so now his goal changes to killing her. But it turns out he needs both his heart and feelings to do this so the goal becomes reabsorbing them, and when he does, he finally kills her. In the end, he succeeds in getting the whole Shikon Jewel, but he neither absorbs it nor does he wish on it, he just decides to use it to kill his enemies. Naraku himself admits he's not sure what comes next after he's done that. Yes, that's right - he spends ''over 500 issues'' of the manga trying to get the jewel, and once he finally has it, he's not sure what to do with it. Even worse, it's revealed later that he did make a wish on the Jewel but was not granted: to have Kikyou's heart. However, Naraku is an amalgamation of many {{Youkai}} and a human man called Onigumo, so it's understandable that his personality traits and goals not only change significantly (it has even been a plot point on occasion), but also contradict each other; especially when it comes to Kikyou and the Jewel. The youkai hate Kikyou and want the Jewel to become powerful, but Onigumo "loves" Kikyou and wants the Jewel to have her.
11th Jan '16 3:44:47 PM Bartzv
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* Naraku from ''Manga/InuYasha'' has changed motives so many times that eventually he was evil just for the sake of being evil. Initially, he wanted to use the Shikon no Tama to become a powerful full-fledged youkai, so his goal is getting all the shards of the Jewel. But then, he was somewhat driven by his lust for Kikyo and hatred for Inuyasha, both coming from his human heart, so his goal becomes getting rid of that. He succeeds in separating his physical heart and discarding his feelings for Kikyou, so now his goal changes to killing her. But it turns out he needs both his heart and feelings to do this so the goal becomes reabsorbing them, and when he does, he finally kills her. In the end, he succeeds in getting the whole Shikon Jewel, but he neither absorbs it nor does he wish on it, he just decides to use it to kill his enemies. Naraku himself admits he's not sure what comes next after he's done that. Yes, that's right - he spends ''over 500 issues'' of the manga trying to get the jewel, and once he finally has it, he's not sure what to do with it. Even worse, it's revealed later that he did make a wish on the Jewel but was not granted: to have Kikyou's heart. However, Naraku is an amalgamation of many {{Youkai}} and a human man called Onigumo, so it's understandable that his personality and goals not only change significantly (it has even been a plot point on occasion), but also contradict; especially when it comes to Kikyou and the Jewel. The youkai hate Kikyou and want the Jewel to become powerful, but Onigumo "loves" Kikyou and wants the Jewel to have her.
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* Naraku from ''Manga/InuYasha'' has changed motives so many times that eventually he was evil just for the sake of being evil. Initially, he wanted to use the Shikon no Tama to become a powerful full-fledged youkai, so his goal is getting all the shards of the Jewel. But then, he was somewhat driven by his lust for Kikyo and hatred for Inuyasha, both coming from his human heart, so his goal becomes getting rid of that. He succeeds in separating his physical heart and discarding his feelings for Kikyou, so now his goal changes to killing her. But it turns out he needs both his heart and feelings to do this so the goal becomes reabsorbing them, and when he does, he finally kills her. In the end, he succeeds in getting the whole Shikon Jewel, but he neither absorbs it nor does he wish on it, he just decides to use it to kill his enemies. Naraku himself admits he's not sure what comes next after he's done that. Yes, that's right - he spends ''over 500 issues'' of the manga trying to get the jewel, and once he finally has it, he's not sure what to do with it. Even worse, it's revealed later that he did make a wish on the Jewel but was not granted: to have Kikyou's heart. However, Naraku is an amalgamation of many {{Youkai}} and a human man called Onigumo, so it's understandable that his personality and goals not only change significantly (it has even been a plot point on occasion), but also contradict; contradict each other; especially when it comes to Kikyou and the Jewel. The youkai hate Kikyou and want the Jewel to become powerful, but Onigumo "loves" Kikyou and wants the Jewel to have her.
11th Jan '16 3:43:24 PM Bartzv
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* Naraku from ''Manga/InuYasha'' has changed motives so many times that eventually he was evil just for the sake of being evil. Initially, he wanted to use the Shikon no Tama to become a powerful full-fledged youkai, so his goal is getting all the shards of the Jewel. But then, he was somewhat driven by his lust for Kikyo and hatred for Inuyasha, both coming from his human heart, so his goal becomes getting rid of that. He succeeds in separating his physical heart and discarding his feelings for Kikyou, so now his goal changes to killing her. But it turns out he needs both his heart and feelings to do this so the goal becomes reabsorbing them, and when he does, he finally kills her. In the end, he succeeds in getting the whole Shikon Jewel, but he neither absorbs it nor does he wish on it, he just decides to use it to kill his enemies. Naraku himself admits he's not sure what comes next after he's done that. Yes, that's right - he spends ''over 500 issues'' of the manga trying to get the jewel, and once he finally has it, he's not sure what to do with it. Even worse, it's revealed later that he did make a wish on the Jewel but was not granted: to have Kikyou's heart. However, Naraku is an amalgamation of many {{Youkai}} and a human man called Onigumo, so it's reasonable to expect his personality and goals to not only change significantly (it has even been a plot point on occasion), but also be contradictory; especially when it comes to Kikyou and the Jewel. The youkai hate Kikyou and want the Jewel to become powerful, but Onigumo "loves" Kikyou and wants the Jewel to have her.
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* Naraku from ''Manga/InuYasha'' has changed motives so many times that eventually he was evil just for the sake of being evil. Initially, he wanted to use the Shikon no Tama to become a powerful full-fledged youkai, so his goal is getting all the shards of the Jewel. But then, he was somewhat driven by his lust for Kikyo and hatred for Inuyasha, both coming from his human heart, so his goal becomes getting rid of that. He succeeds in separating his physical heart and discarding his feelings for Kikyou, so now his goal changes to killing her. But it turns out he needs both his heart and feelings to do this so the goal becomes reabsorbing them, and when he does, he finally kills her. In the end, he succeeds in getting the whole Shikon Jewel, but he neither absorbs it nor does he wish on it, he just decides to use it to kill his enemies. Naraku himself admits he's not sure what comes next after he's done that. Yes, that's right - he spends ''over 500 issues'' of the manga trying to get the jewel, and once he finally has it, he's not sure what to do with it. Even worse, it's revealed later that he did make a wish on the Jewel but was not granted: to have Kikyou's heart. However, Naraku is an amalgamation of many {{Youkai}} and a human man called Onigumo, so it's reasonable to expect understandable that his personality and goals to not only change significantly (it has even been a plot point on occasion), but also be contradictory; contradict; especially when it comes to Kikyou and the Jewel. The youkai hate Kikyou and want the Jewel to become powerful, but Onigumo "loves" Kikyou and wants the Jewel to have her.
11th Jan '16 3:07:55 PM Bartzv
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Revised to be shorter
* Naraku from ''Manga/InuYasha'' has changed motives so many times that eventually he was evil just for the sake of being evil. Initially, he wanted to use the Shikon no Tama to become a powerful full-fledged youkai, so his goal is getting all the shards of the Jewel. But then, he was somewhat driven by his lust for Kikyo and hatred for Inuyasha, both coming from his human heart, so his goal becomes getting rid of that. He succeeds in separating his physical heart and discarding his feelings for Kikyou, so now his goal changes to killing her. But it turns out he needs both his heart and feelings to do this so the goal becomes reabsorbing them, and when he does, he finally kills her. In the end, he succeeds in getting the whole Shikon Jewel, but he neither absorbs it nor does he wish on it, he just decides to use it to kill his enemies. Naraku himself admits he's not sure what comes next after he's done that. Yes, that's right - he spends ''over 500 issues'' of the manga trying to get the jewel, and once he finally has it, he's not sure what to do with it. Even worse, it's revealed later that he did make a wish on the Jewel but was not granted: to have Kikyou's heart.\\ One of the reasons for him changing his mind so often is that Naraku is really a collective entity of many {{Youkai}} and a human man called Onigumo, and spends much of his time attempting (and succeeding) at absorbing other youkai into itself, so it is reasonable to expect his personality and goals to change to a significant degree (it has even been a plot point on occasion), but to also be contradictory especially when it comes to Kikyou and the Jewel, since the youkai hate her but Onigumo "loves" her, and the youkai want the Jewel to become powerful and Onigumo wants it to have her. This is lampshaded when Naraku first separated his human heart (and thus Onigumo) from his body. Onigumo angrily complained that after selling his soul to the youkai, nothing went the way he had expected.
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* Naraku from ''Manga/InuYasha'' has changed motives so many times that eventually he was evil just for the sake of being evil. Initially, he wanted to use the Shikon no Tama to become a powerful full-fledged youkai, so his goal is getting all the shards of the Jewel. But then, he was somewhat driven by his lust for Kikyo and hatred for Inuyasha, both coming from his human heart, so his goal becomes getting rid of that. He succeeds in separating his physical heart and discarding his feelings for Kikyou, so now his goal changes to killing her. But it turns out he needs both his heart and feelings to do this so the goal becomes reabsorbing them, and when he does, he finally kills her. In the end, he succeeds in getting the whole Shikon Jewel, but he neither absorbs it nor does he wish on it, he just decides to use it to kill his enemies. Naraku himself admits he's not sure what comes next after he's done that. Yes, that's right - he spends ''over 500 issues'' of the manga trying to get the jewel, and once he finally has it, he's not sure what to do with it. Even worse, it's revealed later that he did make a wish on the Jewel but was not granted: to have Kikyou's heart.\\ One of the reasons for him changing his mind so often is that However, Naraku is really a collective entity an amalgamation of many {{Youkai}} and a human man called Onigumo, and spends much of his time attempting (and succeeding) at absorbing other youkai into itself, so it is it's reasonable to expect his personality and goals to not only change to a significant degree significantly (it has even been a plot point on occasion), but to also be contradictory contradictory; especially when it comes to Kikyou and the Jewel, since the Jewel. The youkai hate her but Onigumo "loves" her, Kikyou and the youkai want the Jewel to become powerful and powerful, but Onigumo "loves" Kikyou and wants it the Jewel to have her. This is lampshaded when Naraku first separated his human heart (and thus Onigumo) from his body. Onigumo angrily complained that after selling his soul to the youkai, nothing went the way he had expected.her.
11th Jan '16 2:47:53 PM Bartzv
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* Divine of ''Anime/YuGiOh5Ds'' starts out as some sort of VisionaryVillain, being the leader of a movement giving shelter to the repudiated Psychic Duelists, wanting to form an army with them to take revenge on all the people hating and shunning them, making the world a better place for Psychic Duelists. Though his plans got foiled by his sudden death. But [[AssPull miraculously]] he returned and CharacterDerailment did take the best of him. While he was always close to the MoralEventHorizon, but also had his goals and clearly shared more with Aki than just [[MoreThanMindControl mind control]], he suddenly forgot all about his earlier intentions, turned into a psychopathic dumbass, causing his own death with the most ridiculous EngineeredPublicConfession and got eaten by a giant lizard just in time to exculpate Aki from all guilt and before he was about to [[NotTooDeadToSaveTheDay kill the main character]]. However, Divine is such a ManipulativeBastard that he is subject to a bit of AlternateCharacterInterpretation; as it's hard to discern where his [[BitchInSheepsClothing facade of geniality]] ends and his actual feelings begin.
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* Divine of ''Anime/YuGiOh5Ds'' starts out as some sort of VisionaryVillain, being the leader of a movement giving shelter to the repudiated Psychic Duelists, wanting to form an army with them to take revenge on all the people hating and shunning them, making the world a better place for Psychic Duelists. Though his plans got foiled by his sudden death. But [[AssPull miraculously]] he returned and CharacterDerailment did take the best of him. While he was always close to the MoralEventHorizon, but also had his goals and clearly shared more with Aki than just [[MoreThanMindControl mind control]], he suddenly forgot all about his earlier intentions, turned into a psychopathic dumbass, causing his own death with the most ridiculous EngineeredPublicConfession and got eaten by a giant lizard just in time to exculpate Aki from all guilt and before he was about to [[NotTooDeadToSaveTheDay kill the main character]]. However, Divine is such a ManipulativeBastard that he is subject to a bit of AlternateCharacterInterpretation; AlternateCharacterInterpretation as it's hard to discern where his [[BitchInSheepsClothing facade of geniality]] ends and his actual true feelings begin.begin due to his being such a ManipulativeBastard.
11th Jan '16 2:44:56 PM Bartzv
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Revising ACI argument.
* Divine of ''Anime/YuGiOh5Ds'' starts out as some sort of VisionaryVillain, being the leader of a movement giving shelter to the repudiated Psychic Duelists, wanting to form an army with them to take revenge on all the people hating and shunning them, making the world a better place for Psychic Duelists. Though his plans got foiled by his sudden death. But [[AssPull miraculously]] he returned and CharacterDerailment did take the best of him. While he was always close to the MoralEventHorizon, but also had his goals and clearly shared more with Aki than just [[MoreThanMindControl mind control]], he suddenly forgot all about his earlier intentions, turned into a psychopathic dumbass, causing his own death with the most ridiculous EngineeredPublicConfession and got eaten by a giant lizard just in time to exculpate Aki from all guilt and before he was about to [[NotTooDeadToSaveTheDay kill the main character]]. ** Divine is subject to a bit of AlternateCharacterInterpretation, on account of the fact that he's such a ManipulativeBastard that it's hard to discern where his [[BitchInSheepsClothing facade of geniality]] ends and his actual feelings begin. Does he truly care for Aki on some level, or is he just using false kindness to make her more and more emotionally dependent on him? Is his goal really to demand societal acceptance of psychic duelists and take revenge on those who shunned them, or is he just raising a personal army of {{Tykebomb}}s to do his bidding? Is he merely ruthless in pursuit of his goals, or is he an outright sociopath? Depending on how the individual viewer answers these questions, it's arguable that in his reappearance after [[spoiler:his apparent death]], he hasn't undergone MotiveDecay but has simply dropped all pretenses.
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* Divine of ''Anime/YuGiOh5Ds'' starts out as some sort of VisionaryVillain, being the leader of a movement giving shelter to the repudiated Psychic Duelists, wanting to form an army with them to take revenge on all the people hating and shunning them, making the world a better place for Psychic Duelists. Though his plans got foiled by his sudden death. But [[AssPull miraculously]] he returned and CharacterDerailment did take the best of him. While he was always close to the MoralEventHorizon, but also had his goals and clearly shared more with Aki than just [[MoreThanMindControl mind control]], he suddenly forgot all about his earlier intentions, turned into a psychopathic dumbass, causing his own death with the most ridiculous EngineeredPublicConfession and got eaten by a giant lizard just in time to exculpate Aki from all guilt and before he was about to [[NotTooDeadToSaveTheDay kill the main character]]. ** character]]. However, Divine is subject to a bit of AlternateCharacterInterpretation, on account of the fact that he's such a ManipulativeBastard that he is subject to a bit of AlternateCharacterInterpretation; as it's hard to discern where his [[BitchInSheepsClothing facade of geniality]] ends and his actual feelings begin. Does he truly care for Aki on some level, or is he just using false kindness to make her more and more emotionally dependent on him? Is his goal really to demand societal acceptance of psychic duelists and take revenge on those who shunned them, or is he just raising a personal army of {{Tykebomb}}s to do his bidding? Is he merely ruthless in pursuit of his goals, or is he an outright sociopath? Depending on how the individual viewer answers these questions, it's arguable that in his reappearance after [[spoiler:his apparent death]], he hasn't undergone MotiveDecay but has simply dropped all pretenses.begin.
11th Jan '16 2:41:37 PM Bartzv
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Removing natter
*** Must have been a lot of pretense and especially braincells to drop if he was intelligent enough to hide all those evil motives and sociopathy during the first one and a half arc, but all of a sudden completely forgot better not to insult the owner of a Jibakushin, which was in the near vicinity to boot.
7th Jan '16 8:39:57 PM nombretomado
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* Toward the end of ''SpeedGrapher'', someone with the people skills and political savvy to become Prime Minister becomes an all-consuming openly megalomaniacal beast with nothing more important to do than indulge in evil laughter and pull grotesque faces. What makes this {{Egregious}} is that before he appeared to have a plan with substantially evil implications on the lives of real people, but that all degenerates into BondVillainStupidity just to terrorize a little girl he claims to worship.
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* Toward the end of ''SpeedGrapher'', ''Anime/SpeedGrapher'', someone with the people skills and political savvy to become Prime Minister becomes an all-consuming openly megalomaniacal beast with nothing more important to do than indulge in evil laughter and pull grotesque faces. What makes this {{Egregious}} is that before he appeared to have a plan with substantially evil implications on the lives of real people, but that all degenerates into BondVillainStupidity just to terrorize a little girl he claims to worship.
3rd Dec '15 3:13:25 AM Nintendoman01
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* ''Manga/DragonBallZ'': ** When Vegeta was first introduced, he wanted to use the Dragon Balls to wish for immortality and rule the universe after he killed Frieza for years of enslavement. Although he was upset with Goku for 'beating' him on Earth, fighting him wasn't his primary goal, seeing Goku as more as an annoyance or a pawn to his end goals. After Namek, Vegeta lost all desire to rule the universe and live forever. Instead, he becomes completely obsessed with surpassing Goku. Some of this could be motivated by the fact that it was Goku who beat and humiliated Frieza, while he, the Saiyan Prince, was given a dog's death and reduced to begging a lower class warrior to avenge him. ** Frieza himself also undergoes this. When he first appeared, he, like so many before him, wanted to use the Dragon Balls to gain immortality and stay in control of the universe forever. After Goku defeated him on Namek, Frieza loses all desire for the Dragon Balls, instead becoming obsessed with getting revenge on Goku for his humiliation.
15th Nov '15 3:25:18 PM KingLyger
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* Don intentionally over the course of ''Manga/DeathNote''. Light Yagami's megalomania causes him to completely lose sight of his original goal ([[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans to improve the world by removing its criminal element]]) and degrade into using the Death Note to [[AGodAmI become "The God of the New World" and destroy his enemies]]. He also turns from a ManipulativeBastard who carefully plans everything out into a CardCarryingVillain who is so sure of his own success that the very concept of his own failure seems to confuse him. Many a character points out that Light is little better than a serial killer by the end, but Light's so blinded by his pride that it takes [[spoiler:his impending death]] for him to catch on.
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* Don intentionally Invoked over the course of ''Manga/DeathNote''. Light Yagami's megalomania causes him to completely lose sight of his original goal ([[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans to improve the world by removing its criminal element]]) and degrade into using the Death Note to [[AGodAmI become "The God of the New World" and destroy his enemies]].enemies]], as well as clean up any undesirables; by the final chpaters, he's starting to kill people for being "lazy". He also turns from a ManipulativeBastard who carefully plans everything out into a CardCarryingVillain who is so sure of his own success that the very concept of his own failure seems to confuse him. Many a character points out that Light is little better than a serial killer by the end, but Light's so blinded by his pride that it takes [[spoiler:his impending death]] for him to catch on.
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