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7th Apr '17 3:16:57 AM Shadowgazer
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** Vegeta crossed this when he murdered an entire Namekian village in cold-blood. Others think he crossed the line when he allowed himself to become a Majin and murdered thousands to provoke Goku to fight him.
6th Apr '17 1:12:28 PM Willbyr
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* ''KenichiTheMightiestDisciple'': While none of the YAMI masters are good guys to begin with (AffablyEvil, at best), resident Pencak Silat master Silcardo Jenazad is a very special case. In order to get a replacement for his slain disciple (who he'd killed himself via avalanche several arcs earlier for disrespecting their martial art), he [[spoiler:tricks Akira Hongo, YAMI's "God Fist," into almost killing Kenichi while the other man is locked in a duel with Sakaki AND while both men are [[BeyondTheImpossible fighting even while unconscious]]. He pulls this off by radiating enough killing intent from behind Hongo so that the latter will instinctively lash out in self-defense and inadvertently murder Kenichi, who's right behind him at that point, in the process]]. And then after ''that'' happens [[spoiler:he takes advantage of Miu's chaotic state of mind, caused by her thinking Kenichi's dead (when in fact he's survived, but just barely), kidnaps her and systematically brainwashes her into becoming a killing machine with no memories or emotion]].

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* ''KenichiTheMightiestDisciple'': ''Manga/KenichiTheMightiestDisciple'': While none of the YAMI masters are good guys to begin with (AffablyEvil, at best), resident Pencak Silat master Silcardo Jenazad is a very special case. In order to get a replacement for his slain disciple (who he'd killed himself via avalanche several arcs earlier for disrespecting their martial art), he [[spoiler:tricks Akira Hongo, YAMI's "God Fist," into almost killing Kenichi while the other man is locked in a duel with Sakaki AND while both men are [[BeyondTheImpossible fighting even while unconscious]]. He pulls this off by radiating enough killing intent from behind Hongo so that the latter will instinctively lash out in self-defense and inadvertently murder Kenichi, who's right behind him at that point, in the process]]. And then after ''that'' happens [[spoiler:he takes advantage of Miu's chaotic state of mind, caused by her thinking Kenichi's dead (when in fact he's survived, but just barely), kidnaps her and systematically brainwashes her into becoming a killing machine with no memories or emotion]].
1st Apr '17 6:55:29 AM GlitteringFlowers
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* ''Anime/YuGiOh'': Dartz from the DOMA arc reached his Moral Event Horizion when he [[spoiler:started killing off the protagonists]], but the most horrifying example and crossing of his MEH is [[spoiler:When the identities of the Mirror soldiers are revealed to be everyone's favorite characters: Joey, Mai, Yugi, and Pegasus. From then on, he used them as frikin' HUMAN SHIELDS.]] This was a true Kick The Dog moment to, not only the [[spoiler:remaining]] protagonists, but the entire fanbase as well. This Troper knows a few people who broke down crying because of this act.
** Pegasus himself, though just as tragic as his anime counterpart, lost the sympathy of several readers of the manga when he [[spoiler:telekinetically forced Bandit Keith to commit suicide]], and would have fully crossed the line if [[spoiler:Bandit Keith wasn't an AssholeVictim who was threatening Pegasus with a knife moments before]]. The anime changed this to [[spoiler:simply having Keith dumped into the sea in a classic NoOneCouldSurviveThat, and wouldn't you know it, he does]].
*** His treatment of the Kaiba brothers might have already put him over the line. Even Yugi determined that ThisIsUnforgivable!
** Another from the manga is the entire Death-T arc for Seto Kaiba. From hiring a SerialKiller who exclusively kills children to abandoning his brother, ostensibly his MoralityPet, to die, it's no wonder Yugi punished him by shattering his soul to pieces and rebuilding it from scratch; the later, {{Anti Hero}}ic Kaiba who would be more familiar to those who saw the anime first is thus arguably a completely different person.
** Dark Marik immediately crossed the horizon when he tried to stab his foster brother in his sleep, and then proceeded to lay down a brutal, psyche-damaging MindRape to Mai in their duel.

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* ''Anime/YuGiOh'': Dartz from the DOMA arc reached his Moral Event Horizion when he [[spoiler:started killing off the protagonists]], but the most horrifying example and crossing of his MEH is [[spoiler:When the identities of the Mirror soldiers are revealed to be everyone's favorite characters: Joey, Mai, Yugi, and Pegasus. From then on, he used them as frikin' HUMAN SHIELDS.]] This was a true Kick The Dog moment to, not only the [[spoiler:remaining]] protagonists, but the entire fanbase as well. This Troper knows well; a few people who broke are said to have broken down crying because of this act.
** Pegasus himself, though just as tragic as his anime counterpart, lost the sympathy of several readers of the manga when he [[spoiler:telekinetically forced Bandit Keith to commit suicide]], and would have fully crossed the line if [[spoiler:Bandit Keith wasn't an AssholeVictim who was threatening Pegasus with a knife moments before]]. The anime changed this to [[spoiler:simply having Keith dumped into the sea in a classic NoOneCouldSurviveThat, and wouldn't you know it, which he does]].
*** His treatment of the Kaiba brothers might have already put him over the line. line: [[spoiler: he has the kidnapped Mokuba's soul stolen... and when Kaiba and Yugi (plus Yugi's friends) reach for him, he taunts Kaiba by showing the Card where Mokuba's spirit was stored, then ''had Mokuba's EmptyShell of a body bring him his deck''. And then he [[CurbStompBattle defeated Kaiba]] (while cheating with his Millenium Eye) and de-souled ''him''!]] Even Yugi determined that ThisIsUnforgivable!
was all "ThisIsUnforgivable"!
** Another from the manga is the entire Death-T arc for Seto Kaiba. From hiring a SerialKiller who exclusively kills children to abandoning his brother, brother Mokuba, ostensibly his MoralityPet, to die, it's no wonder Yugi punished him by shattering his soul to pieces and rebuilding it from scratch; the later, {{Anti Hero}}ic Kaiba who would be more familiar to those who saw the anime first is thus arguably a completely different person.
** Dark Marik immediately crossed the horizon when he tried to stab his foster brother Odion in his sleep, and then proceeded to lay down a brutal, psyche-damaging MindRape to Mai in their duel.
1st Apr '17 6:49:27 AM GlitteringFlowers
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** In Akito's and some of the fans' opinions, Shigure crossed it [[spoiler: when he slept with Ren as a revenge for Akito sleeping with Kureno. His betrayal is somehow worse, considerin Akito's relationship to her mother (which was the indriect reason why she even cheated on Shigure in the first place.]]

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** In Akito's and some of the fans' opinions, Shigure crossed it [[spoiler: when he slept with Ren Akito's EvilMatriarch of a mother Ren, as a revenge for Akito sleeping with Kureno. His betrayal is somehow worse, considerin Akito's ''extremely'' troubled relationship to with her mother (which abusive mother, which was the indriect indirect reason why she even cheated on Shigure in the first place.place; she slept with Kureno to reassure herself that he wouldn't leave her, coming from Ren always telling her that everyone would leave her.]]



*** Ren Sohma crossed the MEH long before ''the story even took place'' by [[spoiler: threatening to have an abortion if she wasn't allowed to raise her baby as a male. That baby? She'd become Akito and being forcibly raised as a male would be her StartOfDarkness.]] The worst about it? Ren's reasons: [[spoiler: She was jealous of her unborn girl because her husband Akira was so happy about becoming a father. The ongoing rivalry (which only gets worse when Akira dies) is the main motivation behind Akito's constant [[KickTheDog puppy punting]], eventually driving her to become the ManipulativeBitch that the fandom LoveToHate.]] Summed up, Ren's horribly selfish and cruel actions lead to almost ''all the crap'' that happens to the Somahs in whole.
*** Kyo's Father crossed the line when he [[spoiler: told Kyo it was his fault his mother had commited suicide, especially because of his motivation: he felt guilty himself, for some very good reasons. His verbal abuse might have not been helpful.]]
*** Rin's parents cross it [[spoiler: when they physically and psychologically abuse her. If this didn't do it for you, try them abandoning Rin when she collapses out of stress and is delivered to a hospital, basically telling her (a nine-year-old!) to never come back.]]
*** Yuki's mother: [[spoiler: When she practically sold Yuki to the already unstable Akito as a "playmate", fully knowing that Akito had snapped and become abusive.]]
*** Momiji's mother crossed this [[spoiler: when she told her son that giving birth to him was the most horrible thing that ever happened to her and that he made her sick. She even lets Hattori delete her memories of Momiji as a consequence.]]
*** It's hard to decide when Kyoko's parents did, but probably when they [[spoiler: kicked her out when she returned home after a long stay in the hospital, due to the fact that she tried to end her own career as a gang member.]] It's so bad that [[spoiler: Katsuya gives them one HELL of a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech before he takes Kyoko in.]]

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*** Ren Sohma crossed the MEH long before ''the story even took place'' by [[spoiler: threatening to have an abortion if she wasn't allowed to raise her baby as a male. That baby? She'd become Akito the above mentioned Akito, and being forcibly raised as a male would be her StartOfDarkness.]] The worst about it? Ren's reasons: [[spoiler: She was jealous of her unborn girl because her husband Akira was so happy about becoming a father. The ongoing rivalry (which only gets worse when Akira dies) is the main motivation behind Akito's aforementioned and constant [[KickTheDog puppy punting]], eventually driving her to become the ManipulativeBitch that the fandom LoveToHate.]] Summed up, Ren's horribly selfish and cruel actions lead to almost ''all the crap'' that happens to the Somahs Sohmas in whole.
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*** Kyo's Father crossed the line when he [[spoiler: told Kyo it was his fault his mother had commited suicide, especially because of his motivation: he felt guilty himself, for some very good reasons. His verbal abuse might since he verbally abused his already-unstable wife (who may not have not been helpful.shown her love of Kyo in the healthiest manner, but did love him as much as she could in her terrible mental state.]]
*** Rin's parents cross it [[spoiler: when they physically and psychologically abuse her. If this didn't do it for you, try them her... and then abandoning Rin when she collapses out of stress and is delivered to a hospital, basically telling her (a nine-year-old!) to never come back.]]
*** Yuki's mother: [[spoiler: When she practically sold Yuki to the already unstable Akito as a "playmate", fully knowing that Akito had completely snapped over Ren's abuse and become abusive.]]
abusive herself.]] It's no wonder that [[spoiler: her oldest son Ayame magnificently called her out later.]]
*** Momiji's mother crossed this [[spoiler: when she told her son that giving birth to him was the most horrible thing that ever happened to her and that he made her sick. She even lets Hattori delete her memories of Momiji as a consequence.]]
]] One could argue that she was already mentally ill to start with, but even when it might explain a little, it's still NOT an excuse.
*** It's hard to decide when Kyoko's parents did, but probably when they [[spoiler: kicked her out when she returned home after a long stay in the hospital, due hospital (due to the fact that she tried to end her own career as a gang member.member and got beaten up as a result), solely because it tarnished their reputation.]] It's so bad that [[spoiler: her love interest and future husband Katsuya gives them one HELL of a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech before he takes Kyoko in.]]



** [[AdaptationalVillainy Basque Grand]] crosses this in the past when [[spoiler:he coldly forces Mustang to kill Winry's parents because they were helping Ishbalans, which almost led to Mustang committing suicide over the incident]].

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** [[AdaptationalVillainy Basque Grand]] crosses this in the past when [[spoiler:he coldly forces Mustang to kill Winry's parents because they were helping Ishbalans, which almost led to a desperately guilty Mustang almost committing suicide over the incident]].incident and having to be stopped]].



** We knew from his first appearance that Envy was evil and would kill you if it's amusing or he's ordered to, but one of two scenes becomes his Moral Event Horizon crossing, depending on who you are. For some, he irreparably crossed the line when he [[spoiler:killed Hughes]] after turning into [[spoiler: his wife Gracia]] to keep him from striking back, and triggering some of the series' biggest [[TearJerker Tear Jerkers]]. And if that didn't do it for you, there's still no way you can put this guy [[DracoInLeatherPants in leather pants]] (at least not without people questioning your sanity) after he gleefully describes in the manga how he [[spoiler:started the Ishbalan war]] by turning into a war-opposing soldier and shooting an innocent child. His absolutely ''cheerful'' description of the events that happened after he shot the child, how it ruined the life of the soldier he turned himself into, and how humans are so easy to manipulate revealed him for the monster he really is. What he said got Ed so angry that he punched Envy in the face ''so hard'' that Envy's face had to regenerate immediately afterwards.
** Shou Tucker is so twisted that he turned his own five-year-old daughter Nina into a chimera by fusing her with their pet dog Alexander, creating a horrible abomination whose entire life consisted of pain that would later have to be mercy-killed by Scar. While the main reason he did this is because he was being pressured that without "interesting" results from his experiments, the government would kick him out, Tucker later admits that he "didn't have a reason", and eventually would have gotten around to doing it just to prove he could.
** "The Gold-Toothed Doctor" spends most of his screentime crossing the MoralEventHorizon. He's responsible for experimenting on people to make human-based homunculi; except for the one who became [[spoiler: Wrath/King Bradley]], all of the subjects died or were rendered mindless and used as Elite Mooks, and he later [[spoiler: slits Riza's throat in an attempt to force Roy Mustang to open the gate.]]

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** We knew from his first appearance It's a known fact that Envy was evil and would kill you anyone if it's amusing or he's ordered to, but one of two scenes becomes his Moral Event Horizon crossing, depending on who you are. crossing. For some, he irreparably crossed the line when he [[spoiler:killed Hughes]] after turning into [[spoiler: his wife Gracia]] to keep him from striking back, and triggering some of the series' biggest [[TearJerker Tear Jerkers]]. back. And if that didn't do it for you, it, there's still no way you can put this guy [[DracoInLeatherPants in leather pants]] (at least not without people questioning your sanity) after the scene where he gleefully describes in the manga how he [[spoiler:started the Ishbalan war]] by turning into a war-opposing soldier and shooting an innocent child. His absolutely ''cheerful'' description of the events that happened after he shot the child, how it ruined the life of the soldier he turned himself into, and how humans are so easy to manipulate revealed him for the monster he really is. What he said got Ed so angry that he punched Envy in the face ''so hard'' that Envy's face had to regenerate immediately afterwards.
** Shou Tucker is so twisted that he turned his own five-year-old daughter Nina into a chimera by fusing her with their pet dog Alexander, creating a horrible abomination whose entire life consisted of pain that would later have to be mercy-killed by Scar. While the main reason he did this is because he was being pressured that without "interesting" results from his experiments, the government would kick him out, Tucker later admits that he "didn't have a reason", and eventually would have gotten around to doing it just to prove he could. \n It's next to no wonder that Ed ''massively'' snaps on Tucker and Al has to keep him from beating him to death right there.
** "The Gold-Toothed Doctor" spends most of his screentime crossing the MoralEventHorizon. He's responsible for experimenting on people to make human-based homunculi; except for the one who became [[spoiler: Wrath/King Bradley]], all of the subjects died or were rendered mindless and used as Elite Mooks, and Mooks. Plus he later [[spoiler: slits Riza's throat in an attempt to force Roy Mustang to open the gate.]]



* Yagi, a medium-level henchman of the final BigBad in ''Manga/{{Holyland}}'', crosses this by [[spoiler:kidnapping Yuu's girlfriend Mai, drugging her, and leaving her with three of his henchmen in a situation where she could get raped easily (said drug also being an aphrodisiac) and broadcasting the whole thing live via his cellular phone to coerce Yuu into not fighting back while Yagi's thugs beat him to a pulp. Fortunately, Mai is rescued before anything serious can happen to her, and [[LaserGuidedKarma Yagi gets his due punishment from Yuu later]]]].

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* Yagi, a medium-level henchman of the final BigBad in ''Manga/{{Holyland}}'', crosses this by [[spoiler:kidnapping Yuu's girlfriend Mai, drugging her, and leaving her with three of his henchmen in a situation where she could get raped easily (said drug also being an aphrodisiac) and broadcasting the whole thing live via his cellular phone to coerce Yuu into not fighting back while Yagi's thugs beat him to a pulp. Fortunately, poor Mai is rescued before anything serious can happen to her, and [[LaserGuidedKarma Yagi gets his due punishment from Yuu later]]]].
13th Mar '17 10:53:14 AM spectertv
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** And we may have a winner here with Ali Al-Saachez from ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam00.'' he starts by recruiting Kurdish kids into a jihadist army while posing as an iman. The only requirement for joining is that they [[SelfMadeOrphan murder their parents first]]. Then he sends several of them out into the world to do suicide bombings. And when things go sour, he just packs up and leaves them to be crushed by the enemy [[HumongousMecha mobile suits]]. The icing on the cake is that he is that he didn't given a damn about the cause he's an atheist who only used religion as a means to manipulate people for his own depraved goals, so to speak. And this is all ''before the story even started'', where he gets many, ''many'' more opportunities to show how much of a dick he can be.

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** And we may have a winner here with Ali Al-Saachez from ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam00.'' he starts by recruiting Kurdish kids into a jihadist army while posing as an iman. The only requirement for joining is that they [[SelfMadeOrphan murder their parents first]]. Then he sends several of them out into the world to do suicide bombings. And when things go sour, he just packs up and leaves them to be crushed by the enemy [[HumongousMecha mobile suits]]. The icing on the cake is that he is that he didn't given a damn about the cause he's an atheist who only used religion as a means to manipulate people for his own depraved goals, so to speak. And this is all ''before the story even started'', where he gets many, ''many'' more opportunities to show how much of a dick he can be.
13th Mar '17 10:51:42 AM spectertv
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* In ''Anime/MawaruPenguindrum'', [[spoiler: Sanetoshi]] had done plenty of shit, but he ''seriously'' crossed the MEH in episode 23. He din't just do it by [[spoiler: revealing that he was the one who "killed" Momoka via transforming her in the two Penguin Hats when she tried to stop him from destroying the world (thus ''causing a good part of the events of the series to take place'')]], but by first [[spoiler: strengthening Kanba's FaceHeelTurn via forcing him to see Masako die and then reviving her while promising to do the same to Himari if he destroys the world for him]] and then by [[spoiler: setting up Ringo to be seriously injured '''and mocking her as she was burning to almost death''', in his quest to destroy the Destiny Diary.]]

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* In ''Anime/MawaruPenguindrum'', [[spoiler: Sanetoshi]] had done plenty of shit, but he ''seriously'' crossed the MEH in episode 23. He din't didn't just do it by [[spoiler: revealing that he was the one who "killed" Momoka via transforming her in the two Penguin Hats when she tried to stop him from destroying the world (thus ''causing a good part of the events of the series to take place'')]], but by first [[spoiler: strengthening Kanba's FaceHeelTurn via forcing him to see Masako die and then reviving her while promising to do the same to Himari if he destroys the world for him]] and then by [[spoiler: setting up Ringo to be seriously injured '''and mocking her as she was burning to almost death''', in his quest to destroy the Destiny Diary.]]



** And we may have a winner here with Ali Al-Saachez from ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam00.'' he starts by recruiting Kurdish kids into a jihadist army while posing as an iman. The only requirement for joining is that they [[SelfMadeOrphan murder their parents first]]. Then he sends several of them out into the world to do suicide bombings. And when things go sour, he just packs up and leaves them to be crushed by the enemy [[HumongousMecha mobile suits]]. The the icing on the cake is that he is a didn't given the damn about the cause he's an atheist who only used religion as a means to manipulate people for his own depraved goals, so to speak. And this is all ''before the story even started'', where he gets many, ''many'' more opportunities to show how much of a dick he can be.

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** And we may have a winner here with Ali Al-Saachez from ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam00.'' he starts by recruiting Kurdish kids into a jihadist army while posing as an iman. The only requirement for joining is that they [[SelfMadeOrphan murder their parents first]]. Then he sends several of them out into the world to do suicide bombings. And when things go sour, he just packs up and leaves them to be crushed by the enemy [[HumongousMecha mobile suits]]. The the icing on the cake is that he is a that he didn't given the a damn about the cause he's an atheist who only used religion as a means to manipulate people for his own depraved goals, so to speak. And this is all ''before the story even started'', where he gets many, ''many'' more opportunities to show how much of a dick he can be.



*** Ribbons Almark himself crosses the line so many countless times. He was revealed Season 2 that [[TheManBehindTheMan he was the one who ordered the many horrific atrocities in the series]] from the A-laws' brutal purges to Ali's destruction of Azadistan. However, he may have crossed the line earlier when he lets Ali kill the Trinities (his bioengineered children) and kills his loyal friend [[spoiler:Alenjandro Corner]] who genuinely liked Ribbons.

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*** Ribbons Almark himself crosses the line so many countless times. He was revealed in Season 2 that [[TheManBehindTheMan he was the one who ordered the many horrific atrocities in the series]] from the A-laws' brutal purges to Ali's destruction of Azadistan. However, he may have crossed the line earlier when he lets Ali kill the Trinities (his bioengineered children) and kills his loyal friend [[spoiler:Alenjandro Corner]] who genuinely liked Ribbons.
13th Mar '17 2:23:14 AM Loekman3
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*** For Present Zamasu, he not only crosses it when he is about to murder his master but also when Goku tells him what his future counterpart had done, his reaction is simply joy at what his future self had done.

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*** For Present Zamasu, he not only crosses does it when he is about to murder his master but also when Goku tells him what his future counterpart counterparts had done, his reaction is [[LackOfEmpathy simply joy joy]] at what his future self selves had done.
5th Mar '17 3:14:45 PM GlitteringFlowers
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** Vinsmoke Judge was a complete asshole from his very first apparition. He was shown as an even bigger asshole [[spoiler: as [[AbusiveParents he was revealed to be]] Sanji's ArchnemesisDad]], plus [[DarkAndTroubledPast the horrible circumstances]] that led to this and how [[spoiler: he only wants Sanji back to force him in an ArrangedMarriage]]. But what made all of this worse was TheReveal that [[spoiler: he experimented with Sanji ''and'' his quadruplet brothers (Ichiji, Niji and Yonji) ''when the four were still in their mother Sora's womb'', intending to make them Tykebomb {{super soldier}}s with zero empathy ''from before they were born''. The reason why [[TheUnfavorite he hates Sanji so much]] is that, thanks to a risky gambit from [[MamaBear Sora]], [[WhiteSheep he was the only one who escaped to this]].]]
26th Feb '17 6:26:00 AM contrafanxxx
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** [[spoiler: Gennai's]] RogueProtagonist status in ''Anime/DigimonAdventureTri'' is cemented when, at the end of the movie ''Loss'', he literally strangles Meiko to death in order to turn Meicoomon into a TykeBomb.
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*** Future Zamasu already tethers on the edge when he joins his AlternateTimeline counterpart completely ignoring that this guy killed his master but bragging about how his counterpart murdered Goku and his family just to be a dick is an all-time low.

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*** Future Zamasu already tethers on the edge when he joins his AlternateTimeline counterpart completely ignoring that this guy killed his master but bragging about how his counterpart murdered Goku and his family just to be a dick is an definitely his all-time low.low considering that there is absolutely ''no reason'' for him to do that other than showing what a [[KickTheDog cruel sadistic bastard]] he is.
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