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21st Aug '17 6:58:08 PM nombretomado
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* The manga version of [[BigBad Father]] lacks the AlasPoorVillain moment of his ''Brotherhood'' counterpart. Father is a [[EldritchAbomination being from beyond the Gate]] given form in a small flask and named Homunculus by the nameless slave who would become van Hohenheim in the Xerxes empire. Desiring to escape the flask, Homunculus would trick the king of Xerxes into a ritual that slaughtered multiple people to initiate an alchemy ritual that killed everyone in Xerxes and split their souls between Hohenheim and Homunculus, to the latter's horror. Later founding the nation of Amestris and creating the Homunculi, he took the name of "Father", guiding Amestris to become a military dictatorship that initiated military conflicts to provide bloodshed for an even greater ritual, including the genocide of the Ishvalan people. Intending to kill and steal the souls of tens of millions so that [[AGodAmI he could devour God]], or Truth itself, Father demonstrates cold sadism when he faces Hohenheim and [[TrulySingleParent his children again]], [[MindRape mentally torturing]] them as he also abandons or [[AbusiveParents tries to absorb his own Homunculi children]]. While he sees himself as an existence above humans, this is simply a reflection of Father's arrogance and pride, desiring to [[ImmortalityImmorality ascend ever higher, no matter who or what he has to destroy to gain ultimate knowledge and power]].
5th Dec '16 4:34:12 PM nombretomado
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* [[TheDragon Envy]] lacks all the [[AlasPoorVillain pitiful qualities]] that his manga counterpart had. An AxCrazy {{ sadist}}, Envy uses his ShapeShifterGuiltTrip by taking on the forms of people's loved ones before killing them. He is the one responsible for murdering Maes Hughes, by impersonating his wife and rubbing it at his face before killing him. Envy is mostly seen [[ManipulativeBastard manipulating Amestris's government]] behind the scenes with a string of mind games and murders, while [[TheGeneralissimo Pride]] controls the military as King Bradley. This all culminates in him [[HeroKiller killing Ed]] when he finds out that Envy is in fact, the [[AntagonisticOffspring homunculus version of his half-sibling]]. Unlike other homunculi, who wanted to become humans, Envy was the sole exception, only working for [[BigBad Dante]] so he could [[PsychoForHire kill as many people as possible]], abusing both other homunculi and prisoners in the process simply [[ForTheEvulz for laughs]]. His ParentalAbandonment as a FreudianExcuse doesn't even come close to justifying his homicidal mania and Envy completely undermines it in ''Conqueror of Shamballa'' when he decides to murder his father rather than trying to reconnect with him.

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* [[TheDragon Envy]] lacks all the [[AlasPoorVillain pitiful qualities]] that his manga counterpart had. An AxCrazy {{ sadist}}, {{sadist}}, Envy uses his ShapeShifterGuiltTrip by taking on the forms of people's loved ones before killing them. He is the one responsible for murdering Maes Hughes, by impersonating his wife and rubbing it at his face before killing him. Envy is mostly seen [[ManipulativeBastard manipulating Amestris's government]] behind the scenes with a string of mind games and murders, while [[TheGeneralissimo Pride]] controls the military as King Bradley. This all culminates in him [[HeroKiller killing Ed]] when he finds out that Envy is in fact, the [[AntagonisticOffspring homunculus version of his half-sibling]]. Unlike other homunculi, who wanted to become humans, Envy was the sole exception, only working for [[BigBad Dante]] so he could [[PsychoForHire kill as many people as possible]], abusing both other homunculi and prisoners in the process simply [[ForTheEvulz for laughs]]. His ParentalAbandonment as a FreudianExcuse doesn't even come close to justifying his homicidal mania and Envy completely undermines it in ''Conqueror of Shamballa'' when he decides to murder his father rather than trying to reconnect with him.
5th Dec '16 4:34:00 PM nombretomado
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* [[TheDragon Envy’s]] manga counterpart was [[AlasPoorVillain pitiful enough in the end]] to avert this trope. This version however is a malevolent {{sadist}} who gets his kicks out of ruining people's lives (joining up with his BigBad mom [[PsychoForHire solely so he can kill as many people as possible]]), abusing both the other Homunculi and anybody they've managed to take prisoner, and making liberal use of the ShapeShifterGuiltTrip, taking on the forms of people's loved ones before attacking them. He crosses the MoralEventHorizon with Hughes' murder and then follows it up with a string of murders and mind games that end with [[HeroKiller his killing Ed]]. He's got ParentalAbandonment as a FreudianExcuse, but it doesn't come close to justifying his homicidal mania, and he ultimately undermines it when he kills his father rather than trying to reconnect with him.
* [[PresidentEvil King Bradley]][=/=]{{Pride}} is already a [[TheGeneralissimo military dictator]]. He gets worse when it’s revealed that he's the one who ordered the [[FinalSolution genocide]] in Ishbal, and worse still when he has those actions repeated in Liore, with the intent of leading his own nation to destruction. Then he crosses the MoralEventHorizon with his cold-bloodedly nonchalant murder of Marta and [[OffingTheOffspring throttles his own son]], who had served as his MoralityPet, to death in the finale, while ranting about being [[AGodAmI an agent of God]], thus establishing himself firmly as an irredeemable bastard.

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* [[TheDragon Envy’s]] manga counterpart was Envy]] lacks all the [[AlasPoorVillain pitiful enough in the end]] to avert this trope. This version however is a malevolent {{sadist}} who gets qualities]] that his kicks out of ruining people's lives (joining up with manga counterpart had. An AxCrazy {{ sadist}}, Envy uses his BigBad mom [[PsychoForHire solely so he can kill as many people as possible]]), abusing both the other Homunculi and anybody they've managed to take prisoner, and making liberal use of the ShapeShifterGuiltTrip, ShapeShifterGuiltTrip by taking on the forms of people's loved ones before attacking killing them. He crosses is the MoralEventHorizon with Hughes' murder one responsible for murdering Maes Hughes, by impersonating his wife and then follows rubbing it up at his face before killing him. Envy is mostly seen [[ManipulativeBastard manipulating Amestris's government]] behind the scenes with a string of murders and mind games that end with and murders, while [[TheGeneralissimo Pride]] controls the military as King Bradley. This all culminates in him [[HeroKiller his killing Ed]]. He's got Ed]] when he finds out that Envy is in fact, the [[AntagonisticOffspring homunculus version of his half-sibling]]. Unlike other homunculi, who wanted to become humans, Envy was the sole exception, only working for [[BigBad Dante]] so he could [[PsychoForHire kill as many people as possible]], abusing both other homunculi and prisoners in the process simply [[ForTheEvulz for laughs]]. His ParentalAbandonment as a FreudianExcuse, but it FreudianExcuse doesn't even come close to justifying his homicidal mania, mania and he ultimately Envy completely undermines it in ''Conqueror of Shamballa'' when he kills decides to murder his father rather than trying to reconnect with him.
* [[PresidentEvil King Bradley]][=/=]{{Pride}} Bradley]]/Pride is already a [[TheGeneralissimo the military dictator]]. dictator]] of Amestris and one of [[BigBad Dante's]] most trusted homunculi. He gets worse when it’s revealed is the mastermind behind the events that he's the one who ordered caused the [[FinalSolution genocide]] genocide in Ishbal, Ishbal]], and worse still when he has those yet, repeats the same actions repeated in Liore, with the intent of leading Reole in order to lead his own nation to in destruction. Then At one point, he crosses even releases infamous MadBomber [[AxCrazy Solf J. Kimblee]] from prison and unleashes him upon Reole citizens in order to take care of the MoralEventHorizon with his deed as fast as possible. While mainly assisting Dante in her plans to create the PhilosophersStone all over again, it is made clear that Bradley enjoys committing these deeds for the sake of [[MasterRace "purifying" the population]] and expanding the country's territory. After Martel finds out about [[TheReveal Bradley's true identity]], he proceeds to [[MoralEventHorizon murder her cold-bloodedly nonchalant murder in front of Marta Al]] in order to keep her silent. It is not until the final arc of the series when Bradley reaches the level of an irredeemable monster, when he plays a sadistic cat-and-mouse game with Roy Mustang, torturing him both physically and emotionally, even bringing up the tragic fact that he couldn't save his best friend from a certain death. When his [[MoralityPet own son]] steps in the hopes of helping his father, Bradley [[OffingTheOffspring throttles his own son]], who had served as his MoralityPet, strangles him to death in the finale, death]] while ranting about being [[AGodAmI an agent of God]], thus establishing himself firmly as an irredeemable bastard.God.
29th Nov '16 6:09:11 AM nombretomado
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* ''[[Anime/FullMetalAlchemistTheSacredStarOfMilos The Sacred Star of Milos]]'': [[BigBad Security Chief Atlas]] killed the movie's female protagonist's parents, then [[FaceStealer stole her brother Ashley's skin]] and used it as a disguise in order to trick the rebel group, Bats, into making a Transmutation circle for him in order to gain power to rival other nations. He then killed the Bats' leader, Miranda, for her sacrificial blood, [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder murdered his co-conspirator to gain his blood as well]], and sacrificed dozens of Amestrian soldiers by "feeding them" to Milos's machinery to create a Philosopher's Stone for himself.

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* ''[[Anime/FullMetalAlchemistTheSacredStarOfMilos The Sacred Star of Milos]]'': "Melvin Voyager", actually [[BigBad Security Chief Atlas]] killed Atlas]], is a [[AmbitionIsEvil power-hungry]], [[TheSociopath sociopathic]] Cretan soldier, who starts off by denouncing his vows to protect the movie's Crichton family by brutally murdering the female protagonist's parents, protagonist Julia's parents and then [[FaceStealer stole her brother Ashley's skin]] and used it as a disguise rips the skin of Julia's brother's Ashleigh's face]] in order to trick steal his identity. This was done so that Atlas could easily [[ManipulativeBastard manipulate the rebel group, Bats, Bats]], into making a Transmutation transmutation circle for him in order to gain by promising Creta enough power to rival other nations. He then killed the Ashleigh, in turn, ended up becoming a vengeful KnightTemplar, seeking revenge for Milos after losing his faith for its people. After showing his true colors, Atlas murders Bats' leader, Miranda, for so that he can use her sacrificial blood, blood to activate the circle. He then proceeds to [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder murdered murder his co-conspirator to gain his blood co-conspirator, Raul, as well]], and sacrificed well]] when it turns out there is not enough sacrificial blood. After succeeding in activating the circle, Atlas sacrifices dozens of Amestrian soldiers by "feeding them" feeding them to Milos's machinery to create a Philosopher's Stone PhilosophersStone for himself.
himself. A textbook sociopath who abandoned his honor and home country for power, Atlas stood out as one of the most vile villains in the ''Brotherhood'' canon.
26th Apr '16 9:34:22 PM nombretomado
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* [[MadScientist Shou Tucker]] transforms his own daughter and her dog into a HalfHumanHybrid, partly [[ForScience to see if he can]] and partly to retain his State Alchemist status. He had previously done the same thing to his wife. He's the only character who even comes close to evoking [[NiceGuy Al]]'s rage, and what he did leaves a stain on the Elric brothers' memories for the rest of their lives. Making Tucker even more abhorrent is his complete refusal to own up to what he did. He acts as though the Elric brothers shouldn't have a problem with his actions, assumes that anybody else would have done the same thing, and when thrown in jail, spends all of his time whining about how "nobody understands" that he did it ForScience. Destroying his family because he was either too lazy, or too devoid of talent to come up with another way of keeping his status, Tucker is one of the few characters in the manga to possess absolutely no redeeming traits or sympathetic moments.

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* [[MadScientist Shou Tucker]] transforms Tucker]], the [[MadDoctor Sewing-Life Alchemist]], is known for his own ability to create chimeras capable of speech. He's introduced to the Elric brothers as an awkward NiceGuy with a 4-year-old daughter and her dog into a HalfHumanHybrid, partly [[ForScience to see if he can]] and partly to retain named Nina. With his State Alchemist status. He had previously done the same thing license soon to his wife. He's the only character who even comes close to evoking [[NiceGuy Al]]'s rage, and what he did leaves a stain on the Elric brothers' memories for the rest of their lives. Making expire, Tucker even more abhorrent created another Chimera by [[WouldHurtAChild fusing Nina and her dog Alexander]] into a miserable HalfHumanHybrid which is his complete refusal to own up to what he did. He acts as though [[FateWorseThanDeath in constant agony]]. When the Elric brothers discovered Nina's new state, Edward's rage nearly drove him to kill Tucker. It is then revealed that the other speaking Chimera was actually his wife and Nina's mother, whom Tucker created by fusing her to another animal, earning him his State Alchemist status in the first place. Tucker [[ObliviouslyEvil refuses to admit what he did was horrible]], going as far as to tell the Elric brothers that they shouldn't have a problem with his actions, assumes actions and that anybody else would have done the same thing, and when thrown in jail, spends all of his time whining about how "nobody understands" that he did it thing ForScience. Destroying his family because he was either too lazy, or too devoid of talent While only appearing in one chapter, [[FourEyesZeroSoul Shou Tucker]] manages to come up with another way of keeping his status, Tucker is be one of the few most depraved characters in the manga to possess absolutely no redeeming traits or sympathetic moments.and ''Brotherhood'' anime.
24th Feb '16 9:19:10 AM nombretomado
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22nd Feb '16 3:15:51 AM SeptimusHeap
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* [[MadBomber Solf J. Kimblee]], unlike his [[MoralSociopathy manga]] [[RousseauWasRight counterpart]], is a PsychoForHire, NietzscheWannabe, and MisanthropeSupreme par excellence, who LovesTheSoundOfScreaming and isn't afraid to share it with you. He committed genocide in Ishbal, tortured Scar by blasting him apart one piece at a time, blew up his fellow prisoners in order to escape from prison, betrayed [[AntiVillain Greed]] to [[GeneralRipper Frank Archer]], tries to murder Al soon after his reinstatement, reenacts the Ishbal genocide in Liore, and finally dies while [[TakingYouWithMe trying to take Al and Scar with him]], succeeding in killing Scar. Kimblee is a truly appalling mix of rage, hatred, and pure nihilism.

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* [[MadBomber *[[MadBomber Solf J. Kimblee]], unlike Kimblee]] stands out as [[CharacterExaggeration even more insane]] and [[AxCrazy psychotic]] than his [[MoralSociopathy manga]] [[RousseauWasRight counterpart]], is a PsychoForHire, NietzscheWannabe, and MisanthropeSupreme par excellence, who [[BlueAndOrangeMorality manga counterpart]]. A [[PsychoForHire state alchemist]] with the ability to turn [[StuffBlowingUp objects]]—and [[WhyAmITicking people]]--- into explosives, Kimblee LovesTheSoundOfScreaming and isn't afraid to share it with you. He committed earned a reputation during the Ishbal genocide for his ruthlessness. As seen in Ishbal, early flashbacks, Kimblee was responsible for massive explosions all around the region, all while laughing about it. He also tortured Scar by sadistically blasting him apart one piece at a time, blew up making him the distinctive mark in his forehead. Later, Kimblee escapes the prison by using a fellow prisoners in order inmate as a bomb and starts working for Greed before betraying him to escape from prison, betrayed [[AntiVillain Greed]] to [[GeneralRipper Frank Archer]], tries to murder Al soon after Archer and being indirectly responsible for the Devil's Nest massacre. After his reinstatement, Kimblee reenacts the Ishbal genocide in Liore, Reole and finally dies while [[TakingYouWithMe trying tries to take murder Al and Scar with him]], succeeding in killing Scar. by transforming him into a walking time bomb. When encountered by Scar, Kimblee is a truly appalling mix of rage, hatred, reveals that he has no reason for fighting, other than the fact that he sees [[MisanthropeSupreme humans—not exempting himself--as empty beings]] and pure nihilism.that [[{{Sadist}} he simply enjoys seeing people suffer]].
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