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27th Aug '16 1:33:45 PM thatmadork
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*** You could also argue that the Stormcloaks, a bunch of Nord separatists, suffer from an in-universe version of this. The Nords of Skyrim are a deceptively civilised people, with an epic history, a [[WarriorPoet longstanding bardic and poet tradition]], a complex honour system and even some historical affinity for magic (the "clever craft"). You wouldn't know from the Stormcloaks, who push solely the BarbarianHero[=/=]ProudWarriorRaceGuy aspect of Nordic culture in their push for Skyrim's independence. Arguably a {{Deconstruction}} of HornyVikings.
17th Aug '16 4:57:55 AM PF
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** Part of the problem, and admittedly leading to its broken base is that future games took the Pyramid Headed monster without realizing what he was or why he was in the game in the first place; and turned him into the iconic monster of the series. In fact, a lot of later games seemed to take the classic monsters and throw them into the games without really understanding why they needed to be there, as Yahtzee once said during his review of SilentHillHomecoming:
-->'''Yahtzee''': Drop the big titted sexy nurses...Alex is looking for his kid brother, who I very much doubt was a Double D.



** The point was supposed to be using these classes as symbols. The Dark Knight is an offensive class that does nothing but hurt people, exemplified by its signature move in which Cecil sacrifices his ''own'' hit points to hurt others in a sort of "cutting off your nose to spite your face" approach, whereas the Paladin is still capable of causing damage, but also knows when to hold back, to heal and protect instead of just hurting all the time. The problem is that using these symbols in this way causes a problem due to the DarkIsEvil and BadPowersBadPeople implications. It implies that someone who wields darkness could not possibly do good and is even worse ''as a person'' for doing so. It's only natural for fans of the DarkIsNotEvil approach to take issue with it.



** The main reason fans pair the above two, despite the LikeBrotherAndSister tendencies is because those two were developed better by the script. Rinoa and Squall in FFVIII DOES have the chance to grow and develop, if you let them. Granted, it's not hard to see the choices needed to be made, but because the player isn't railroaded into developing the plot along, it's quite possible to make them grow no closer together by the choices one can make. In fact, if you pick the wrong score to play during Squall's promotional concert, Rinoa gets outright frustrated and angry with him; and the two get no closer together. Because the player isn't forced to really drag Rinoa along, the development to those players is non-existent, and could make it seem like they're StrangledByTheRedString.



** To be fair, though, Naminé was being ''forced'' to rewrite his memories. And when she was released, she became TheAtoner, stopped the memory rewriting, and explained everything to Sora. When Sora told her [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments that even if his memories were fake, his feelings right then and there were real]], well...
15th Aug '16 5:02:35 PM Valiona
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** Kanji is often touted as proof that Japan is perfectly accepting of homosexuality, as well as some obscure Yaoi game or the presence of the YaoiFangirl trope. Except that many instances of yaoi is seen as niche at best in Japan, the genre itself is aimed at straight people - and Japan is actually not nearly as LGBT-friendly as many people believe it to be. In fact a lot of Kanji's issues stem from how Japanese society rejects him for being AmbiguouslyGay.
* In the previous game, ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'', there's Yukari Takeba, whos [[TookALevelInJerkass actions]] in The Answer are seen by many fans as proof she was a horrible BitchInSheepsClothing all along. While its true her actions aren't meant to be sympathised with, the game makes it clear [[DespairEventHorizon she's irrational over the loss of someone extemely close to her]], and dealing with personal loss is a major theme of the game. When she eventually opens up to her friends about it, they're able to help her through it [[CharacterDevelopment and she comes out a better person.]] Her detractors ignore her epiphany and consider her a nothing more than a cruel, jealous AlphaBitch, and downplay her moments of niceness during the main story.

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** Kanji is often touted as proof that Japan is perfectly accepting of homosexuality, as well as some obscure Yaoi game or the presence of the YaoiFangirl trope. Except that many instances of yaoi is seen as niche at best in Japan, the genre itself is aimed at straight people - and Japan is actually not nearly as LGBT-friendly as many people believe it to be. In fact a lot of Kanji's issues stem from how Japanese society rejects him for being AmbiguouslyGay.AmbiguouslyGay, Yosuke's teasing him about it is a BerserkButton for Kanji, and in addition to having a crush on Naoto, also shows interest in Yukiko early on.
* In the previous game, ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'', there's Yukari Takeba, whos [[TookALevelInJerkass actions]] in The Answer are seen by many fans as proof she was a horrible BitchInSheepsClothing all along. While its true her actions aren't are meant to be sympathised with, viewed as wrong, the game makes it clear [[DespairEventHorizon she's irrational over the loss of someone extemely close to her]], and dealing with personal loss is a major theme of the game. When she eventually opens up to her friends about it, they're able to help her through it [[CharacterDevelopment and she comes out a better person.]] Her detractors ignore her epiphany and consider her a nothing more than a cruel, jealous AlphaBitch, and downplay her moments of niceness during the main story.



** Then there's the drama surrounding the October 4th incident. In canon, [[spoiler: Shinjiro gives his life to save Ken, someone he ''knew'' hated him [[YouKilledmyFather after he accidentally caused the death of Ken's mother]], from Takaya. This is meant to be a poingent and touching HeroicSacrifice, and if the player is supposed to hate anyone for this, it's [[TheDragon Takaya.]]]] However, since Shinjiro is an EnsembleDarkhorse and Ken is TheScrappy, fans [[spoiler: hold Ken responsible for Shinjiro's death.]] It got so bad that official spinoffs and adaptations had to undertake major damage control and go drastically out of their way to make Ken more sympathetic, but he'll still NeverLiveItDown.
* ''Franchise/DanganRonpa'''s fans often tend to believe that the Ultimates are gifted people, the best in their area and that for having talent, they are above the normal students. Nevermind the fact that this kind of thinking is shown to be disturbing to the very Ultimates who are forced into CripplingOverspecialization and sometimes away from their real dreams which have nothing to do with those talents. Or the fact that every character in the entire franchise to adopt these ideals are shown as insane [[FantasticRacism fantastic racists]].
** Both the first and the second game exemplify people who are chained to a talent they do not want to have or that restrain their lifes, such as Leon, whose talent was baseball, but wanted to be a musician.
** The main character seeing the world in this light is Nagito Komaeda, who gets continuously crazier and crazier through the game and [[spoiler: plays a later part of the game as an antegonist, even trying to kill everybody in chapter 5]]. Outside of him, you have the very Hope's Peak Academy, which was responsible for [[spoiler: laying out the ground for Junko to cause The Tragedy. They treated the Reserve Students as useless cash cows, spent insane amount of money on the Main Course, of which the students were not even asked to participate the class, as long as they still had their talents, they covered up murders, genocides and bombings caused by students, who often got minimum punishment for it and created Izuru Kamukura, by injecting talents on a normal student until he became devoid of empathy for humans and was easily used by Junk as a killing machine.]]

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** Then there's the drama surrounding the October 4th incident. In canon, [[spoiler: Shinjiro gives his life to save Ken, someone he ''knew'' hated him [[YouKilledmyFather after he accidentally caused the death of Ken's mother]], from Takaya. This is meant to be a poingent and touching HeroicSacrifice, and if the player is supposed to hate anyone for this, it's [[TheDragon Takaya.]]]] However, since Shinjiro is an EnsembleDarkhorse and Ken is TheScrappy, fans [[spoiler: hold Ken responsible for Shinjiro's death.]] Granted, Ken did call Shinjiro to [[spoiler:the spot where his mother was murdered with the intent of killing him]], but [[spoiler:not only did he not kill Shinjiro, he also deeply regretted desiring revenge]]. It got so bad that official spinoffs and adaptations had to undertake major damage control and go drastically out of their way to make Ken more sympathetic, but he'll still NeverLiveItDown.
* ''Franchise/DanganRonpa'''s fans often tend to believe that the Ultimates are gifted people, the best in their area and that for having talent, they are above the normal students. Nevermind This goes counter to one of the fact that this kind main themes of thinking is shown to be disturbing to the very Ultimates who are forced into CripplingOverspecialization and sometimes away from their real dreams which have nothing to do with those talents. Or the fact that every character in the entire franchise to adopt these ideals are shown as insane [[FantasticRacism fantastic racists]].
** Both the first and
game, particularly [[VisualNovel/SuperDanganRonpa2 the second game exemplify people who are chained to a one]], that one's worth is not necessarily defined by talent they do not want to have or that restrain their lifes, such as Leon, whose lack thereof. Some Free Time events show the various Ultimates connecting with Makoto Naegi ([[BornLucky the Ultimate Lucky Student]]) or Hajime Hinata ([[spoiler:who has no Ultimate talent was baseball, but wanted at all]]) more easily than most of their Ultimate classmates, simply because those two are more normal, and it's noted that the Ultimates [[WhenAllYouHaveIsAHammer tend to be fall back on their talents in desperate situations]] (most of the murders involve the culprits using their talent). Near the end of the second game, Hajime, [[spoiler:after learning that his [[IJustWantToBeSpecial desire for a musician.talent]] led to him becoming Izuru Kamukura and essentially causing the events that led to the collapse of civilization]], realizes that self-confidence is most important of all, enabling him to save the day and [[spoiler:live on as Hajime, not Izuru]], an outcome he is happy with.
** The main character seeing the world in this light is Nagito Komaeda, who gets continuously crazier and crazier through the game and [[spoiler: plays a later part of the game as an antegonist, even trying to kill everybody in chapter 5]]. Outside of him, you have the very Hope's Peak Academy, which was responsible for [[spoiler: laying out the ground for Junko to cause The Tragedy. They treated the Reserve Students as useless cash cows, spent insane amount of money on the Main Course, of which the students were not even asked to participate the class, as long as they still had their talents, they covered up murders, genocides and bombings caused by students, who often got minimum punishment for it and created Izuru Kamukura, by injecting talents on a normal student until he became devoid of empathy for humans and was easily used by Junk Junko as a killing machine.]]
13th Aug '16 1:25:41 AM PrincessGwen
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* ''VideoGame/TheWitcher'', the second in the game in particular, has a rapidly developing misaimed fandom. It's a tricky case due to it's GreyAndGrayMorality clouding things, the game does expect you to make rather murky moral decisions, and no side is all good, or all bad. But overall, there is a clear message that bigots are bad. The elvish rebels methods are criticized in the game, but it is made clear that the fact that they are [[FantasticRacism discriminated against]] is not cool, and joining the non-humans is given as much weight as joining the pro-human factions. In fact, you get the best ending if you join Iorveth, the Scoia'tael leader. It is the only way to [[spoiler: lift the curse on [[JeanneDArchetype Saskia]], the (literal) dragon. Your other options are leaving her impaled on a tree, but alive, or kill her.]] Yet many fans agree with the strawman arguments put forth by the human characters in the game, and take the stance that the humans are always right by virtue of them being human (similar to ''[[{{Film.Avatar}} Avatar]]'''s misaimed fandom), and should always take precedence over the non-humans in the game. They have also begun to drag real life prejudices in the game, by complaining when the developers do things to cater to fans who belong to a minority group, such as replacing textures on some brothel carpets which could offend some Muslims, or vehemently arguing against the inclusion of any form of homosexuality in the game, because apparently minorities should never be considered, despite the clear message saying otherwise in the game itself.

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* ''VideoGame/TheWitcher'', the second in the game in particular, has a rapidly developing misaimed fandom. It's a tricky case due to it's its GreyAndGrayMorality clouding things, the game does expect you to make rather murky moral decisions, and no side is all good, or all bad. But overall, there is a clear message that bigots are bad. The elvish rebels methods are criticized in the game, but it is made clear that the fact that they are [[FantasticRacism discriminated against]] is not cool, and joining the non-humans is given as much weight as joining the pro-human factions. In fact, you get the best ending if you join Iorveth, the Scoia'tael leader. It is the only way to [[spoiler: lift the curse on [[JeanneDArchetype Saskia]], the (literal) dragon. Your other options are leaving her impaled on a tree, but alive, or kill her.]] Yet many fans agree with the strawman arguments put forth by the human characters in the game, and take the stance that the humans are always right by virtue of them being human (similar to ''[[{{Film.Avatar}} Avatar]]'''s misaimed fandom), and should always take precedence over the non-humans in the game. They have also begun to drag real life prejudices in the game, by complaining when the developers do things to cater to fans who belong to a minority group, such as replacing textures on some brothel carpets which could offend some Muslims, or vehemently arguing against the inclusion of any form of homosexuality in the game, because apparently minorities should never be considered, despite the clear message saying otherwise in the game itself.



** The game has two realms with very different sets of morals and very different world-buildings associated to them. Both are supposed to be seen as possessing pros and flaws which are incarnated in their Royal Families: despite their differences they all love the Avatar, [[ChildOfTwoWorlds who belongs to both groups]], with all their hearts and will '''not''' react well to him or her choosing one over another [[spoiler: or, in ''Revelation'', '''not''' choosing a side.]] However, the fans have decided to latch on one Royal Family/Kingdom [[RonTheDeathEater and bash the fuck out of the other]], portraying their chosen "family" as poor dumb innocents whose flaws must be ignored or swept away to fetishize their suffering, while the other one is downgraded to Evil Incarnate and has its pros handwaved. The most rabid Nohr fans creepily reduce the genuinely tragic Nohrian Royal Family into helpless and fetishized victims who should never be called out for their own mistakes, while at the same time whining about the "horrible and privileged" Hoshidan Royal Family and deliberately ignoring how their supports [[spoiler: and Takumi's fate in ''Conquest'']] show that they're more disfunctional than they seem; the most rabid Hoshido fans paint Nohrians as nothing more than {{card carrying villain}}s blindly following an Avatar who is little more than a deluded fool so they can have some sort-of petty revenge at these privileged Hoshidans (at worst) or as complete idiots who also blindly follow an Avatar who is little more than a deluded fool so they can appease King Garon (at best).

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** The game has two realms with very different sets of morals and very different world-buildings associated to them. Both are supposed to be seen as possessing pros and flaws which are incarnated in their Royal Families: despite their differences they all love the Avatar, [[ChildOfTwoWorlds who belongs to both groups]], with all their hearts and will '''not''' react well to him or her choosing one over another [[spoiler: or, in ''Revelation'', '''not''' choosing a side.]] However, the fans have decided to latch on one Royal Family/Kingdom [[RonTheDeathEater and bash the fuck out of the other]], portraying their chosen "family" as poor dumb innocents whose flaws must be ignored or swept away to fetishize their suffering, while the other one is downgraded to Evil Incarnate and has its pros handwaved. The most rabid Nohr fans creepily reduce the genuinely tragic Nohrian Royal Family into helpless and fetishized victims who should never be called out for their own mistakes, while at the same time whining about the "horrible and privileged" Hoshidan Royal Family and deliberately ignoring how their supports [[spoiler: and Takumi's fate in ''Conquest'']] show that they're more disfunctional dysfunctional than they seem; the most rabid Hoshido fans paint Nohrians as nothing more than {{card carrying villain}}s blindly following an Avatar who is little more than a deluded fool so they can have some sort-of petty revenge at these privileged Hoshidans (at worst) or as complete idiots who also blindly follow an Avatar who is little more than a deluded fool so they can appease King Garon (at best).
12th Aug '16 12:12:04 PM GlitteringFlowers
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** The game has two realms, Hoshido and Nohr, with very different sets of morals and very different world-buildings associated to them. Both are supposed to be seen as possessing pros and flaws which are incarnated in their Royal Families which love the Avatar, [[ChildOfTwoWorlds who belongs to both families]], with all their hearts and will '''not''' react well to him or her choosing one over another [[spoiler: or, in ''Revelation'', '''not''' choosing a side.]] However, the fans have decided to latch on one Royal Family/Kingdom and bash the fuck out of the other, portraying their chosen "family" as poor innocents whose flaws must be ignored or swept away to fetishize their suffering, while the other one is downgraded to Evil Incarnate and has its pros handwaved. The most rabid Nohr fans reduce the genuinely tragic Nohrian Royal Family into helpless and fetishized victims who should never be called out for their own mistakes, but at the same time whine about the "horrible and privileged" Hoshidan Royal Family and deliberately ignore how they're not as perfect as they seem... though the most rabid Hoshido fans are not exactly much better, painting Nohrians as nothing more than {{card carrying villain}}s who blindly follow an Avatar who is little more than a deluded fool so they can have some sort-of petty revenge at these privileged Hoshidans (at worst) or as complete idiots who also blindly follow an Avatar who is little more than a deluded fool so they can appease King Garon (at best).

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** The game has two realms, Hoshido and Nohr, realms with very different sets of morals and very different world-buildings associated to them. Both are supposed to be seen as possessing pros and flaws which are incarnated in their Royal Families which Families: despite their differences they all love the Avatar, [[ChildOfTwoWorlds who belongs to both families]], groups]], with all their hearts and will '''not''' react well to him or her choosing one over another [[spoiler: or, in ''Revelation'', '''not''' choosing a side.]] However, the fans have decided to latch on one Royal Family/Kingdom [[RonTheDeathEater and bash the fuck out of the other, other]], portraying their chosen "family" as poor dumb innocents whose flaws must be ignored or swept away to fetishize their suffering, while the other one is downgraded to Evil Incarnate and has its pros handwaved. The most rabid Nohr fans creepily reduce the genuinely tragic Nohrian Royal Family into helpless and fetishized victims who should never be called out for their own mistakes, but while at the same time whine whining about the "horrible and privileged" Hoshidan Royal Family and deliberately ignore ignoring how their supports [[spoiler: and Takumi's fate in ''Conquest'']] show that they're not as perfect as more disfunctional than they seem... though seem; the most rabid Hoshido fans are not exactly much better, painting paint Nohrians as nothing more than {{card carrying villain}}s who blindly follow following an Avatar who is little more than a deluded fool so they can have some sort-of petty revenge at these privileged Hoshidans (at worst) or as complete idiots who also blindly follow an Avatar who is little more than a deluded fool so they can appease King Garon (at best).best).
6th Aug '16 9:38:52 PM Arcana4th
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* Many fans of the ''VideoGame/{{Portal}}'' games became huge fans of Cave Johnson after hearing recorded speeches from him in the "Old Aperture Labs" levels of ''Videogame/{{Portal 2}}'', causing them to perceive him as being CrazyAwesome. The reality is, though, we're supposed to think of Cave Johnson as a delusional, highly dangerous bungling incompetent who caused the deaths of untold numbers of people and bankrupted his own company in the pursuit of outlandish, crackpot ideas like using a portal-creating device as a ''shower curtain''. The {{Crazy Awesome}}ness of Cave Johnson is so well-entrenched that things like the fact his famous "when life gives you lemons" speech are actually supposed to be the demented ravings of a lunatic imbecile who refuses to accept that he murdered people and ruined his company because of his own incompetence actually wound up on the [[Fridge/{{Portal 2}} Portal 2 Fridge subpage]] -- they're considered ''that'' unobvious.


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* ''Franchise/DanganRonpa'''s fans often tend to believe that the Ultimates are gifted people, the best in their area and that for having talent, they are above the normal students. Nevermind the fact that this kind of thinking is shown to be disturbing to the very Ultimates who are forced into CripplingOverspecialization and sometimes away from their real dreams which have nothing to do with those talents. Or the fact that every character in the entire franchise to adopt these ideals are shown as insane [[FantasticRacism fantastic racists]].
** Both the first and the second game exemplify people who are chained to a talent they do not want to have or that restrain their lifes, such as Leon, whose talent was baseball, but wanted to be a musician.
** The main character seeing the world in this light is Nagito Komaeda, who gets continuously crazier and crazier through the game and [[spoiler: plays a later part of the game as an antegonist, even trying to kill everybody in chapter 5]]. Outside of him, you have the very Hope's Peak Academy, which was responsible for [[spoiler: laying out the ground for Junko to cause The Tragedy. They treated the Reserve Students as useless cash cows, spent insane amount of money on the Main Course, of which the students were not even asked to participate the class, as long as they still had their talents, they covered up murders, genocides and bombings caused by students, who often got minimum punishment for it and created Izuru Kamukura, by injecting talents on a normal student until he became devoid of empathy for humans and was easily used by Junk as a killing machine.]]
* Many fans of the ''VideoGame/{{Portal}}'' games became huge fans of Cave Johnson after hearing recorded speeches from him in the "Old Aperture Labs" levels of ''Videogame/{{Portal 2}}'', causing them to perceive him as being CrazyAwesome. The reality is, though, we're supposed to think of Cave Johnson as a delusional, highly dangerous bungling incompetent who caused the deaths of untold numbers of people and bankrupted his own company in the pursuit of outlandish, crackpot ideas like using a portal-creating device as a ''shower curtain''. The {{Crazy Awesome}}ness of Cave Johnson is so well-entrenched that things like the fact his famous "when life gives you lemons" speech are actually supposed to be the demented ravings of a lunatic imbecile who refuses to accept that he murdered people and ruined his company because of his own incompetence actually wound up on the [[Fridge/{{Portal 2}} Portal 2 Fridge subpage]] -- they're considered ''that'' unobvious.
2nd Aug '16 11:59:36 AM PrincessGwen
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** The game has two realms, Hoshido and Nohr, with very different sets of morals and very different world-buildings associated to them. Both are supposed to be seen as possessing pros and flaws which are incarnated in their Royal Families which love the Avatar, [[ChildOfTwoWorlds who belongs to both families]], with all their hearts and will '''not''' react well to him or her choosing one over another [[spoiler: or, in ''Revelation'', '''not''' choosing a side.]] However, the fans have decided to latch on one Royal Family/Kingdom and bash the fuck out of the other, portraying their chosen "family" as poor innocents whose flaws must be ignored or swept away to fetishize their suffer, while the other one is downgraded to Evil Incarnate and has its pros handwaved. The most rabid Nohr fans reduce the genuinely tragic Nohrian Royal Family into helpless and fetishized victims who should never be called out for their own mistakes, but at the same time whine about the "horrible and privileged" Hoshidan Royal Family and deliberately ignore how they're not as perfect as they seem... though the most rabid Hoshido fans are not exactly much better, painting Nohrians as few more than {{card carrying villain}}s who blindly follow an Avatar who is little more than a deluded fool so they can have some sort-of petty revenge at these privileged Hoshidans (at worst) or as complete idiots who also blindly follow an Avatar who is few more than a deluded fool so they can appease King Garon (at best).

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** The game has two realms, Hoshido and Nohr, with very different sets of morals and very different world-buildings associated to them. Both are supposed to be seen as possessing pros and flaws which are incarnated in their Royal Families which love the Avatar, [[ChildOfTwoWorlds who belongs to both families]], with all their hearts and will '''not''' react well to him or her choosing one over another [[spoiler: or, in ''Revelation'', '''not''' choosing a side.]] However, the fans have decided to latch on one Royal Family/Kingdom and bash the fuck out of the other, portraying their chosen "family" as poor innocents whose flaws must be ignored or swept away to fetishize their suffer, suffering, while the other one is downgraded to Evil Incarnate and has its pros handwaved. The most rabid Nohr fans reduce the genuinely tragic Nohrian Royal Family into helpless and fetishized victims who should never be called out for their own mistakes, but at the same time whine about the "horrible and privileged" Hoshidan Royal Family and deliberately ignore how they're not as perfect as they seem... though the most rabid Hoshido fans are not exactly much better, painting Nohrians as few nothing more than {{card carrying villain}}s who blindly follow an Avatar who is little more than a deluded fool so they can have some sort-of petty revenge at these privileged Hoshidans (at worst) or as complete idiots who also blindly follow an Avatar who is few little more than a deluded fool so they can appease King Garon (at best).
2nd Aug '16 11:53:08 AM PrincessGwen
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** The game has two realms, Hoshido and Nohr, with very different sets of morals and very different world-buildings associated to them. Both are supposed to be seen as possessing pros and flaws which are incarnated in their Royal Families which love the Avatar, [[ChildOfTwoWorlds who belongs to both families]], with all their hearts and will '''not''' react well to him or her choosing one over another [[spoiler: or, in ''Revelations'', '''not''' choosing a side.]] However, the fans have decided to latch on one Royal Family/Kingdom and bash the fuck out of the other, portraying their chosen "family" as poor innocents whose flaws must be ignored or swept away to fetishize their suffer, while the other one is downgraded to Evil Incarnate and has its pros handwaved. The most rabid Nohr fans reduce the genuinely tragic Nohrian Royal Family into helpless and fetishized victims who should never be called out for their own mistakes, but at the same time whine about the "horrible and privileged" Hoshidan Royal Family and deliberately ignore how they're not as perfect as they seem... though the most rabid Hoshido fans are not exactly much better, painting Nohrians as few more than {{card carrying villain}}s who blindly follow an Avatar who is few more than a deluded fool so they can have some sort-of petty revenge at these privileged Hoshidans (at worst) or as complete idiots who also blindly follow an Avatar who is few more than a deluded fool so they can appease King Garon (at best).

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** The game has two realms, Hoshido and Nohr, with very different sets of morals and very different world-buildings associated to them. Both are supposed to be seen as possessing pros and flaws which are incarnated in their Royal Families which love the Avatar, [[ChildOfTwoWorlds who belongs to both families]], with all their hearts and will '''not''' react well to him or her choosing one over another [[spoiler: or, in ''Revelations'', ''Revelation'', '''not''' choosing a side.]] However, the fans have decided to latch on one Royal Family/Kingdom and bash the fuck out of the other, portraying their chosen "family" as poor innocents whose flaws must be ignored or swept away to fetishize their suffer, while the other one is downgraded to Evil Incarnate and has its pros handwaved. The most rabid Nohr fans reduce the genuinely tragic Nohrian Royal Family into helpless and fetishized victims who should never be called out for their own mistakes, but at the same time whine about the "horrible and privileged" Hoshidan Royal Family and deliberately ignore how they're not as perfect as they seem... though the most rabid Hoshido fans are not exactly much better, painting Nohrians as few more than {{card carrying villain}}s who blindly follow an Avatar who is few little more than a deluded fool so they can have some sort-of petty revenge at these privileged Hoshidans (at worst) or as complete idiots who also blindly follow an Avatar who is few more than a deluded fool so they can appease King Garon (at best).
29th Jul '16 9:47:08 AM supergod
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* There is an article called [[http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/compass/0305/2.html Guardians of the Threshold]] published by the Florida Department of Corrections outlining the ideals a responsible correctional officer should live by. The list they give of these ideals is copied from the Guardian's virtues as described in ''UltimaUnderworld II''. The only problem with this? The Guardian is a ''bad guy''. His virtues are supposed to be ''tools of oppression''.

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* There is an article called [[http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/compass/0305/2.html Guardians of the Threshold]] published by the Florida Department of Corrections outlining the ideals a responsible correctional officer should live by. The list they give of these ideals is copied from the Guardian's virtues as described in ''UltimaUnderworld ''VideoGame/UltimaUnderworld II''. The only problem with this? The Guardian is a ''bad guy''. His virtues are supposed to be ''tools of oppression''.
29th Jul '16 6:01:46 AM GlitteringFlowers
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** The game has two realms, Hoshido and Nohr, with very different sets of morals and very different world-buildings associated to them. Both are supposed to be seen as possessing pros and flaws which are incarnated in their Royal Families which love the Avatar, [[ChildOfTwoWorlds who belongs to both families]], with all their hearts and will '''not''' react well to him or her choosing one over another [[spoiler: or, in ''Revelations'', '''not''' choosing a side.]] However, the fans have decided to latch on one Royal Family/Kingdom and bash the fuck out of the other, portraying their chosen "family" as poor innocents whose flaws must be ignored or swept away to fetishize their suffer, while the other one is downgraded to Evil Incarnate and has its pros handwaved. It's specially bad with the most rabid Nohr fans: they reduce the genuinely tragic Nohrian Royal Family into helpless and fetishized victims while excusing or handwaving their humanizing flaws, but at the same time whine about the horrible and privileged Hoshidan Royal Family and deliberately ignore how they're not as perfect as they seem.
** The below mentioned "crossdresser or trans*?" debate returned with the appearance of Prince Forrest, a WholesomeCrossdresser and ActionFashionista who explicitely says he's a guy despite his girlish tastes in clothing '''and''' openly states that he's uncomfortable whenever he's mistaken as a girl. [[http://dlartistanon.tumblr.com/post/142825383263/more-hey-can-we-not-do-this-forrest-makes-it A part of the fandom]], [[http://electricprincess96.tumblr.com/post/142730976381/okay-so-as-a-non-binary-trans-person-the-forrest however]], [[https://herskyofdiamonds.tumblr.com/post/142366203100/foleo-i-know-i-look-like-a-girl-but-i-am-a-boy insists that Forrest is a trans girl]], [[http://wapourif.tumblr.com/post/142604290071 despite evidence to]] [[http://boyonetta.tumblr.com/post/144070357539/please-dont-misgender-forrest-shes-a-girl the contrary.]]

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** The game has two realms, Hoshido and Nohr, with very different sets of morals and very different world-buildings associated to them. Both are supposed to be seen as possessing pros and flaws which are incarnated in their Royal Families which love the Avatar, [[ChildOfTwoWorlds who belongs to both families]], with all their hearts and will '''not''' react well to him or her choosing one over another [[spoiler: or, in ''Revelations'', '''not''' choosing a side.]] However, the fans have decided to latch on one Royal Family/Kingdom and bash the fuck out of the other, portraying their chosen "family" as poor innocents whose flaws must be ignored or swept away to fetishize their suffer, while the other one is downgraded to Evil Incarnate and has its pros handwaved. It's specially bad with the The most rabid Nohr fans: they fans reduce the genuinely tragic Nohrian Royal Family into helpless and fetishized victims while excusing or handwaving who should never be called out for their humanizing flaws, own mistakes, but at the same time whine about the horrible "horrible and privileged privileged" Hoshidan Royal Family and deliberately ignore how they're not as perfect as they seem.
seem... though the most rabid Hoshido fans are not exactly much better, painting Nohrians as few more than {{card carrying villain}}s who blindly follow an Avatar who is few more than a deluded fool so they can have some sort-of petty revenge at these privileged Hoshidans (at worst) or as complete idiots who also blindly follow an Avatar who is few more than a deluded fool so they can appease King Garon (at best).
** The below mentioned "crossdresser or trans*?" debate returned came to the game with the appearance of Prince Forrest, a WholesomeCrossdresser and ActionFashionista who explicitely says he's a guy despite his girlish tastes in clothing '''and''' openly states that he's uncomfortable whenever he's mistaken as a girl. [[http://dlartistanon.tumblr.com/post/142825383263/more-hey-can-we-not-do-this-forrest-makes-it A part of the fandom]], [[http://electricprincess96.tumblr.com/post/142730976381/okay-so-as-a-non-binary-trans-person-the-forrest however]], [[https://herskyofdiamonds.tumblr.com/post/142366203100/foleo-i-know-i-look-like-a-girl-but-i-am-a-boy insists that Forrest is a trans girl]], [[http://wapourif.tumblr.com/post/142604290071 despite evidence to]] [[http://boyonetta.tumblr.com/post/144070357539/please-dont-misgender-forrest-shes-a-girl the contrary.]]
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