History MisaimedFandom / VideoGames

13th Nov '17 9:08:35 AM SeptimusHeap
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* Dr. Breen in ''VideoGame/{{Half-Life 2}}'' has his fans who think he did the right thing by assuring the survival of humanity by surrendering, except there are hints that he staged the entire Resonance Cascade for personal gain, and he is the one who insisted on the highly specific test requirements. Some of his comments as you [[spoiler: climb up the Citadel]] are [[HannibalLecture actually quite reasonable]], so it is easy to see how this gets started. [[spoiler: Of course, this is discounting how he's a borderline CardCarryingVillain who mind controls the populace with tainted water and by all accounts is still playing the fate of humanity for his own personal stake in the Combine empire]].

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* Dr. Breen in ''VideoGame/{{Half-Life 2}}'' ''VideoGame/HalfLife2'' has his fans who think he did the right thing by assuring the survival of humanity by surrendering, except there are hints that he staged the entire Resonance Cascade for personal gain, and he is the one who insisted on the highly specific test requirements. Some of his comments as you [[spoiler: climb up the Citadel]] are [[HannibalLecture actually quite reasonable]], so it is easy to see how this gets started. [[spoiler: Of course, this is discounting how he's a borderline CardCarryingVillain who mind controls the populace with tainted water and by all accounts is still playing the fate of humanity for his own personal stake in the Combine empire]].
16th Oct '17 2:47:19 PM PF
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** Fans who hate ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'' will always point to a particular scene where Tidus is [[AnnoyingLaugh laughing obnoxiously]], to the point where it's become [[MemeticMutation emblematic]] of the game's problems in general. There exists a GameMod which replaces all of Tidus's dialogue with the laughing, and the music with autotuned Tidus laughs. However, in the scene itself, it's clearly supposed to be [[BadBadActing in-character bad acting]], with the other characters finding it embarrassing and complaining about it ("maybe you shouldn't laugh any more"). It got so bad that Creator/JasonArnoldTaylor, Tidus' English voice actor, made [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRWab0q9aw4 a YouTube video about it]].

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** Fans who hate ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'' will always point to a particular scene where Tidus is [[AnnoyingLaugh laughing obnoxiously]], to the point where it's become [[MemeticMutation emblematic]] of the game's problems in general. There exists a GameMod which replaces all of Tidus's dialogue with the laughing, and the music with autotuned Tidus laughs. However, in the scene itself, it's clearly supposed to be [[BadBadActing in-character bad acting]], with the other characters finding it embarrassing and complaining about it ("maybe you shouldn't laugh any more"). It got so bad that Creator/JasonArnoldTaylor, Creator/JamesArnoldTaylor, Tidus' English voice actor, made [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRWab0q9aw4 a YouTube video about it]].
16th Oct '17 2:46:45 PM PF
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** A misaimed hatedom - fans who hate ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'' will always, always point to a particular scene where Tidus is [[AnnoyingLaugh laughing obnoxiously]], to the point where it's become [[MemeticMutation emblematic]] of the game's problems in general. There exists a GameMod which replaces all of Tidus's dialogue with the laughing, and the music with autotuned Tidus laughs. However, in the scene itself, it's clearly supposed to be [[BadBadActing in-character bad acting]], with the other characters finding it embarrassing and complaining about it ("maybe you shouldn't laugh any more"). It got so bad that Tidus's English voice actor made [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRWab0q9aw4 a Youtube blog pointing out that it was supposed to be that way]].

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** A misaimed hatedom - fans Fans who hate ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'' will always, always point to a particular scene where Tidus is [[AnnoyingLaugh laughing obnoxiously]], to the point where it's become [[MemeticMutation emblematic]] of the game's problems in general. There exists a GameMod which replaces all of Tidus's dialogue with the laughing, and the music with autotuned Tidus laughs. However, in the scene itself, it's clearly supposed to be [[BadBadActing in-character bad acting]], with the other characters finding it embarrassing and complaining about it ("maybe you shouldn't laugh any more"). It got so bad that Tidus's Creator/JasonArnoldTaylor, Tidus' English voice actor actor, made [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRWab0q9aw4 a Youtube blog pointing out that it was supposed to be that way]].YouTube video about it]].



* Inverted in the 2005 Rockstar videogame adaptation of ''VideoGame/TheWarriors''. The game's depiction (which, naturally, takes many of its cues from the similar ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAuto'') is arguably a more accurate rendering of Sol Yurick's original characters than the [[AdaptationDisplacement popular 1979 film based on the novel]] on which the game is ostensibly more directly based. Whereas in the movie the young hoodlums (except, of course, for Ajax, and even he is up to debate) come off at worst as misguided, put-upon orphans, and at best as [[LoveableRogue Loveable Rogues]]. In the game, these same characters truly are criminals: [[PragmaticVillainy ruthlessly pragmatic]], frighteningly power-hungry, and have no qualms about mugging the innocent and outright [[AssholeVictim murdering the guilty]]. (The game ''does'' conclude pretty much the same way the movie does, though, so maybe this is a straight example after all.)

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* Inverted in the 2005 Rockstar videogame video game adaptation of ''VideoGame/TheWarriors''. The game's depiction (which, naturally, takes many of its cues from the similar ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAuto'') is arguably a more accurate rendering of Sol Yurick's original characters than the [[AdaptationDisplacement popular 1979 film based on the novel]] on which the game is ostensibly more directly based. Whereas in the movie the young hoodlums (except, of course, for Ajax, and even he is up to debate) come off at worst as misguided, put-upon orphans, and at best as [[LoveableRogue Loveable Rogues]]. In the game, these same characters truly are criminals: [[PragmaticVillainy ruthlessly pragmatic]], frighteningly power-hungry, and have no qualms about mugging the innocent and outright [[AssholeVictim murdering the guilty]]. (The game ''does'' conclude pretty much the same way the movie does, though, so maybe this is a straight example after all.)
12th Sep '17 3:49:33 AM SkidTroper
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** Fans of Sylvanas Windrunner also try to tout her as a good guy, often ignoring canon aspects of her character in order to make it work. In universe. She was fully aware of the Royal Apothecary Society's actions prior to Wrathgate and supported them up until she was betrayed by Putress and Varimathras. Despite this, some of her fans still try to defend her actions as justified or even outright heroic.

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** Fans of Sylvanas Windrunner also try to tout her as a good guy, often ignoring canon aspects and deeds of her character in order to make it work.work, or pinning the blame on someone else. In universe. She was fully aware of the Royal Apothecary Society's actions prior to Wrathgate and supported them up until she was betrayed by Putress and Varimathras. Even after that betrayal she still did more and more war crimes while the player characters found themselves in quests killing more well-intentioned (and sometimes contrite) villains for lesser crimes. Despite this, some of her fans still try to defend her actions as justified or even outright heroic.
6th Sep '17 9:16:08 PM M3
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** A far, ''far'' more common misaimed fandom on this point, particularly on this very wiki in fact, is the 'Yuri can do no wrong' crowd. Note that his SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome lists both his vigilantism and his ShutUpHannibal speech to Phearoh, which are in fact mutually contradictory (the latter actually appears to be a deliberate IronicEcho in order to highlight the ''flaws'' in Yuri's earlier reasoning), but certain parts of the fandom would have you believe that he was absolutely right on both points. It also seems to ignore the rather important point of Yuri's character arc where his path led him ''dangerously'' close to JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope and alienates himself from those around him (bearing in mind that a major theme, particularly in the latter half of the game, is the idea that people are stronger together than they are alone).
27th Aug '17 4:02:42 PM Wyldchyld
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** A lot of fans see Tharja's {{Yandere}} attitute towards [[PlayerCharacter the Avatar]] as FetishFuel and it's a major reason why she's so popular. Her ending up as an abusive mother to her daughter Noire [[spoiler: in the BadFuture]] was most likely intended as a PlayerPunch for players who didn't realise this, as well as a {{Deconstruction}} of what marrying a {{Yandere}} might eventually lead to. And yet there are a ton of fans who see the Avatar, Tharja and their children as a perfect happy family, despite Noire herself calling her mother out on her behavior and Tharja herself realizing that this isn't the way to go. There's no denying she ''does'' have a HiddenHeartOfGold, but that still doesn't mean her negative traits were meant to be appealing.

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** A lot of fans see Tharja's {{Yandere}} attitute towards [[PlayerCharacter the Avatar]] as FetishFuel fetish material and it's a major reason why she's so popular. Her ending up as an abusive mother to her daughter Noire [[spoiler: in the BadFuture]] was most likely intended as a PlayerPunch for players who didn't realise this, as well as a {{Deconstruction}} of what marrying a {{Yandere}} might eventually lead to. And yet there are a ton of fans who see the Avatar, Tharja and their children as a perfect happy family, despite Noire herself calling her mother out on her behavior and Tharja herself realizing that this isn't the way to go. There's no denying she ''does'' have a HiddenHeartOfGold, but that still doesn't mean her negative traits were meant to be appealing.
2nd Aug '17 9:16:48 AM Peridonyx
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* ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsChainOfMemories'':

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* ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsChainOfMemories'':''Franchise/KingdomHearts'':
31st Jul '17 9:55:26 AM kuchiki222
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** Creator/HideoKojima was in fact so appalled by fans misinterpreting Solid Snake as a character that a large part of ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty'' is dedicated to attacking fans who played the first ''[=MGS=]'' as a power fantasy.

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** Creator/HideoKojima was in fact so appalled by fans misinterpreting Solid Snake as a character that a large part of ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty'' is dedicated to attacking fans who played the first ''[=MGS=]'' as a power fantasy. [[EpicFail It went so bad that the backlash to the above attack spawned a NEW series of Metal Gear games, with MGS2 being one of the most critically acclaimed games of 2001]].
30th Jun '17 8:52:36 AM Gosicrystal
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* Some fans of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIV'' prefer Cecil as a Dark Knight and wish he stayed that way instead of becoming a Paladin. Statistically, Dark Knight Cecil is [[http://www.dawezy.com/LevelComparison.htm generally]] inferior to Paladin Cecil. Second, Cecil is no more badass as a Dark Knight (in fact, it's when he becomes a Paladin when he begins to gain confidence and retaliate against the enemy). Third, EvilIsCool and DracoInLeatherPants don't even apply here since ''Cecil was never evil in the first place'', just misguided. Finally, him staying as a Dark Knight is missing the point of the game; Cecil is TheAtoner. ''The whole point'' is for him to change from what he was in his past and become a better person. This is not helped by ''VideoGame/DissidiaFinalFantasy'', in which Cecil wields both classes cheerfully, without much regard to the fact that in ''Final Fantasy IV'', Cecil hated being a Dark Knight and it was portrayed as a self-destructive path that led to misery and pain.



** Some fans of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIV'' prefer Cecil as a Dark Knight and wish he stayed that way instead of becoming a Paladin. Statistically, Dark Knight Cecil is [[http://www.dawezy.com/LevelComparison.htm generally]] inferior to Paladin Cecil. Second, Cecil is no more badass as a Dark Knight (in fact, it's when he becomes a Paladin when he begins to gain confidence and retaliate against the enemy). Third, EvilIsCool and DracoInLeatherPants don't even apply here since ''Cecil was never evil in the first place'', just misguided. Finally, him staying as a Dark Knight is missing the point of the game; Cecil is TheAtoner. ''The whole point'' is for him to change from what he was in his past and become a better person. This is not helped by ''VideoGame/DissidiaFinalFantasy'', in which Cecil wields both classes cheerfully, without much regard to the fact that in ''Final Fantasy IV'', Cecil hated being a Dark Knight and it was portrayed as a self-destructive path that led to misery and pain.



*** Sephiroth from ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' is a megalomaniacal BigBad who spends most of the game on a murderous killing spree (including [[ItWasHisSled famously]] and brutally slaying a [[PlotlineDeath beloved main character]]), pausing only to mock and psychologically manipulate Cloud. Because he does it with such style and is such a badass PrettyBoy, fans have turned him into a DracoInLeatherPants (see that entry for more). In the original game, Sephiroth was, in fact, fairly decent, if aloof and a bit cold, during the Nibelheim flashback, set before he goes insane, a portrayal retained in prequels; naturally, this just adds fuel to the MisaimedFandom.

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*** Sephiroth from ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' is a megalomaniacal BigBad who spends most of the game on a murderous killing spree (including [[ItWasHisSled famously]] and brutally slaying a [[PlotlineDeath beloved main character]]), pausing only to mock and psychologically manipulate Cloud. Because he does it with such style and is such a badass PrettyBoy, fans have turned him into a DracoInLeatherPants (see that entry for more). In the original game, Sephiroth was, in fact, fairly decent, if aloof and a bit cold, during the Nibelheim flashback, set before he goes insane, a portrayal retained in prequels; naturally, this just adds fuel to the MisaimedFandom.



** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTacticsAdvance'' is huge with this trope due to Marche's actions and motivations in the game. To put it simply, many fans agree to view him as an AntiVillain. The main cast of kids are transported to a fantasy world where their desires and wishes come true (Ritz's hair is naturally red, Donned, Marche's brother, can walk again, and Mewt gets rule over the country as a royal prince whose now revived mother gives him anything he wants). Marche himself does have some fun in the fantasy world, but he knows that living in such a world only makes people run away from their problems rather than dealing with it and he doesn't need anything from the fantasy world to begin with. As Marche tries to find a way to get home, his friends turn against him; Mewt throws a temper tantrum over Marche's progress and demands more laws be made to stop him, even though this would make the citizens more upset, and he eventually puts a bounty om Marche's head. Ritz doesn't support Marche 100% and she eventually fights him simply because she doesn't want to go back home and deal with her natural white hair. Donned doesn't want to go back since it would mean not being able to walk again, which would give him a reasonable excuse, but he also hires clans to stop and possibly kill his own brother. It isn't until Marche finally gets through to them that they all realized what they had done and try to appreciate the things they did have back home that they glossed over. While the main idea behind the plot is somewhat questionable and the execution of the story being a bit too {{Anvilicious}} for most, that is most likely the reason why ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTacticsA2'' has a hero who is perfectly happy to have adventures and whose return home actually ''requires'' him to.
*** There's also the beginning cutscene, which shows random townsfolk transforming into monsters when the world changes into Ivalice. Marche and his friends may have gotten what they always wanted, but not everyone else was as lucky.
* Fans who base support on a Sora and Namine romance due to the events of ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsChainOfMemories'', which ignores that all of the memories Sora had of Namine were fake, and the feelings he had toward her were actually his feelings for Kairi increased to obsessive levels by the fake memories so that he would become Namine's - and thus, Marluxia's - slave. Yeah, it wasn't supposed to be a good, loving thing.

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** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTacticsAdvance'' is huge with this trope due to Marche's actions and motivations in the game. To put it simply, many fans agree to view him as an AntiVillain. The main cast of kids are transported to a fantasy world where their desires and wishes come true (Ritz's hair is naturally red, Donned, Marche's brother, can walk again, and Mewt gets rule over the country as a royal prince whose now revived mother gives him anything he wants). Marche himself does have some fun in the fantasy world, but he knows that living in such a world only makes people run away from their problems rather than dealing with it and he doesn't need anything from the fantasy world to begin with. As Marche tries to find a way to get home, his friends turn against him; Mewt throws a temper tantrum over Marche's progress and demands more laws be made to stop him, even though this would make the citizens more upset, and he eventually puts a bounty om Marche's head. Ritz doesn't support Marche 100% and she eventually fights him simply because she doesn't want to go back home and deal with her natural white hair. Donned doesn't want to go back since it would mean not being able to walk again, which would give him a reasonable excuse, but he also hires clans to stop and possibly kill his own brother. It isn't until Marche finally gets through to them that they all realized what they had done and try to appreciate the things they did have back home that they glossed over. While the main idea behind the plot is somewhat questionable and the execution of the story being a bit too {{Anvilicious}} for most, that is most likely the reason why ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTacticsA2'' has a hero who is perfectly happy to have adventures and whose return home actually ''requires'' him to.
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There's also the beginning cutscene, which shows random townsfolk transforming into monsters when the world changes into Ivalice. Marche and his friends may have gotten what they always wanted, but not everyone else was as lucky.
* ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsChainOfMemories'':
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Fans who base support on a Sora and Namine romance due to the events of ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsChainOfMemories'', the game, which ignores that all of the memories Sora had of Namine were fake, and the feelings he had toward her were actually his feelings for Kairi increased to obsessive levels by the fake memories so that he would become Namine's - and thus, Marluxia's - slave. Yeah, it wasn't supposed to be a good, loving thing.



* The original LeeroyJenkins video from ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'' was, despite being a staged over-the-top reconstruction of a real event, more a parody of "nerd guilds" with their excessive and sometimes nonsensical planning[[note]]If you know anything about the Upper Blackrock Spire dungeon, listen to what the players are actually planning--it boils down to "let's aggro as many enemies as we can and try to kill them all at the same time (also known as suicide)"[[/note]]than a parody of Leeroy's player archetype.
** Also some quests are clearly meant to be evil but players view these actions as justified. Good examples include the quest "The Broken Front", all Royal Apothecary quests and "It Was The Orcs, Honest!"

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* ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'':
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The original LeeroyJenkins video from ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'' was, despite being a staged over-the-top reconstruction of a real event, more a parody of "nerd guilds" with their excessive and sometimes nonsensical planning[[note]]If you know anything about the Upper Blackrock Spire dungeon, listen to what the players are actually planning--it boils down to "let's aggro as many enemies as we can and try to kill them all at the same time (also known as suicide)"[[/note]]than a parody of Leeroy's player archetype.
** Also some Some quests are clearly meant to be evil but players view these actions as justified. Good examples include the quest "The Broken Front", all Royal Apothecary quests and "It Was The Orcs, Honest!"



** The sequel, ''VideoGame/BioshockInfinite'', was a heavy {{deconstruction}}[=/=]TakeThat aimed at jingoistic ManifestDestiny ideology. This included [[https://girlslikegiants.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/gw-foreign-hordes.jpg an extraordinarily racist in-universe propaganda poster]], which features UsefulNotes/GeorgeWashington holding up a liberty bell to ward off racist caricatures of basically everyone in the world that isn't a WhiteAngloSaxonProtestant, with the caption "For God and Country, It Is Our Holy Duty to Guard Against the Foreign Hordes". This was intended to be over-the-top jingoism, but a Tea Party group [[http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2013/12/16/tea-party-group-unironically-utilizes-bioshock-infinite-propaganda/#760d38236eba missed the satire]] and unironically shared the poster on their Facebook page. It's also popped up in use among [[ThoseWackyNazis white nationalists and neo-Nazis]].

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** The sequel, ''VideoGame/BioshockInfinite'', was * ''VideoGame/BioshockInfinite'' is a heavy {{deconstruction}}[=/=]TakeThat aimed at jingoistic ManifestDestiny ideology. This included [[https://girlslikegiants.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/gw-foreign-hordes.jpg an extraordinarily racist in-universe propaganda poster]], which features UsefulNotes/GeorgeWashington holding up a liberty bell to ward off racist caricatures of basically everyone in the world that isn't a WhiteAngloSaxonProtestant, with the caption "For God and Country, It Is Our Holy Duty to Guard Against the Foreign Hordes". This was intended to be over-the-top jingoism, but a Tea Party group [[http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2013/12/16/tea-party-group-unironically-utilizes-bioshock-infinite-propaganda/#760d38236eba missed the satire]] and unironically shared the poster on their Facebook page. It's also popped up in use among [[ThoseWackyNazis white nationalists and neo-Nazis]].



** Cerberus is on the dark side of [[BlackAndGrayMorality morally gray]]. They're essentially a well-funded KnightTemplar terrorist organization out to ensure that humanity dominates the galaxy -- often resorting to cruel biological experiments on unwilling human test subjects. In the sequel, they bring the protagonist BackFromTheDead and provide Shepard with a CoolShip to investigate the abduction of human colonists while the established Alliance and Citadel governments do little to nothing to assist. It's made perfectly clear that they're using you to further their own agenda, and their past atrocities do not go unmentioned. While moral ambiguity is present, many fans completely forget Cerberus' deplorable actions and instead find themselves wondering what everyone has against Cerberus. And as with ''[[{{Film.Avatar}} Avatar]]'''s Col. Quaritch, some people go as far as to seem to actually ''agree'' with the "secure-human-dominance-at-any-cost" mindset.
*** This is lampshaded, (possibly as a TakeThatAudience), with Conrad Verner revealing that he's joined Cerberus in ''3''. When asked [[WhatTheHellHero what the hell]] he was thinking, given that they have only just attempted a failed coup of the Citadel, he explains that Cerberus are just misunderstood heroes who are working to protect humanity. After all, Shepard worked for them once, so they can't be all that bad, ''right?'' Cue facepalm as Shepard calmly explains that they worked ''[[EnemyMine with]]'' them to take down the Collectors and then severed all ties immediately afterwards.

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** Cerberus is on the dark side of [[BlackAndGrayMorality morally gray]]. They're essentially a well-funded KnightTemplar terrorist organization out to ensure that humanity dominates the galaxy -- often resorting to cruel biological experiments on unwilling human test subjects. In the sequel, they bring the protagonist BackFromTheDead and provide Shepard with a CoolShip to investigate the abduction of human colonists while the established Alliance and Citadel governments do little to nothing to assist. It's made perfectly clear that they're using you to further their own agenda, and their past atrocities do not go unmentioned. While moral ambiguity is present, many fans completely forget Cerberus' deplorable actions and instead find themselves wondering what everyone has against Cerberus. And as with ''[[{{Film.Avatar}} Avatar]]'''s Col. Quaritch, some people go as far as to seem to actually ''agree'' with the "secure-human-dominance-at-any-cost" mindset.
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This is lampshaded, (possibly as a TakeThatAudience), with Conrad Verner revealing that he's joined Cerberus in ''3''. When asked [[WhatTheHellHero what the hell]] he was thinking, given that they have only just attempted a failed coup of the Citadel, he explains that Cerberus are just misunderstood heroes who are working to protect humanity. After all, Shepard worked for them once, so they can't be all that bad, ''right?'' Cue facepalm as Shepard calmly explains that they worked ''[[EnemyMine with]]'' them to take down the Collectors and then severed all ties immediately afterwards.



** And now with an in-universe example, revealed in ''Lair of the Shadow Broker''. There exists a vid called ''Saren: A Hero Betrayed'', which glorifies the turian Spectre who has not only been eagerly painted as the mastermind behind the geth attack on the Citadel, but is noted repeatedly to have been almost psychotically callous and ruthless even before he was indoctrinated by Sovereign. Anderson's[[note]]In case you forgot, Saren set Anderson up to deny his chance at being the first Human Spectre[[/note]] response was to [[INeedAFreakingDrink get drunk to blot out the memories of seeing it]].
** Another in-universe example is shown in Kasumi's loyalty mission, where a gold statue of Saren is actually seen as a desireable gift amongst the idle rich.

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** And now with an in-universe example, revealed in In ''Lair of the Shadow Broker''. There Broker'', there exists a vid called ''Saren: A Hero Betrayed'', which glorifies the turian Spectre who has not only been eagerly painted as the mastermind behind the geth attack on the Citadel, but is noted repeatedly to have been almost psychotically callous and ruthless even before he was indoctrinated by Sovereign. Anderson's[[note]]In case you forgot, Saren set Anderson up to deny his chance at being the first Human Spectre[[/note]] response was to [[INeedAFreakingDrink get drunk to blot out the memories of seeing it]].
** Another in-universe example is shown in In Kasumi's loyalty mission, where a gold statue of Saren is actually seen as a desireable gift amongst the idle rich.



* In ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion'', late into the game, the player must hunt down the BigBad in his pocket dimension, Camoran's Paradise. At first, "Paradise" appears to be a beautiful {{Arcadia}}n valley with flowers and meadows, but later, the player discovers that under this glade is a hellish cavern where Camoran, having made his fallen followers immortal, tortures traitors forever for betraying him. And if you're lucky enough to have been ''faithful'' to Camoran? He has monsters hunt you down and kill you, only for you to return and be hunted down again. The whole point of Camoran's Paradise is that it's meant to be a CrapsaccharineWorld that looks pleasant, but is really a horrible place to be. And yet, a lot of players can't look past the SceneryPorn and download {{Game Mod}}s that let the player revisit Paradise and live there.
** Also from ''Oblivion'': Lucien Lachance. He's a psychopathic killer who takes unabashed glee in murdering others, but one look at him and most fangirls bring out the [[DracoInLeatherPants leather pants]].
*** Partially justified in what you need to do in order to even meet him: joining the Dark Brotherhood. A clan of assassins catered by both the [[GodOfEvil God of]] [[PowerOfTheVoid the Void]], Sithis, and his most loyal subject, an ancient woman who sacrificed her six newborn sons for the glory of said god, and who relays their lord's will through her mummified corpse for only a few select ears to listen. Adhering to such a guild would assume that the player has an special mindset about killing, revenge (the main reason people contract their services), and about being a sword of vindication... But seeing how the fandom only harped about how the gear, perks and other rewards are worthy treading such a path, this concept probably flew over their heads.
** In ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'', there seem to be a lot of people who don't understand that the civil war plotline is supposed to be a case of GrayAndGreyMorality where ''each'' side has its flaws and its strengths, and that neither is supposed to be the "good guys" ''or'' the "bad guys". Depending on who you ask, either the Empire is a noble but misunderstood power that is only accepting the Thalmor's demands out of necessity and their control of Skyrim is necessary to maintain stability (when they basically banned the worship of the most important Nord god ''and'' the deified form of their own founder because they didn't want to keep fighting) while the Stormcloaks are a bunch of racist barbarians led by a power-hungry tyrant who only wants Skyrim for himself (when Ulfric has good reason to be offended by the treatment of the Nordic culture and wants Skyrim to be governed by his own people, not to mention the fact that he regrets the fact that he has to fight a war and expresses remorse for his enemies), or the Stormcloaks are justified freedom fighters nobly defending their rightful land against foreign oppression (when they do indeed tend to be xenophobic, and outright racist against dark elves), while the Empire is a ruthless totalitarian regime that wants to crush the civilisations of its conquered territories (when they're only banning the worship of Talos as a diplomatic move that not even they are entirely approving of, and when a more stable unified empire could potentially be safer in the face of another war with the elves.)
*** And a good portion of people who don't entirely agree with the Empire or the Stormcloaks symphathize with the Forsworn instead, to the point of publicly expressing their disappointment that the game doesn't allow you to join them [[note]]Technically, you can join the Forsworn by freeing Madanach, but only his tribe in Druadach Redoubt would become friendly[[/note]]. Yes, it is true that the Forsworn are trying to take back their homeland from foreign oppressors. No, you are ''not'' supposed to think [[WouldBeRudeToSayGenocide the]] [[ImAHumanitarian things]] [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil they]] [[GenuineHumanHide do]] in response to said foreign oppressors are in any way correct or justified.
*** You could also argue that the Stormcloaks, a bunch of Nord separatists, suffer from an in-universe version of this. The Nords of Skyrim are a deceptively civilised people, with an epic history, a [[WarriorPoet longstanding bardic and poet tradition]], a complex honour system and even some historical affinity for magic (the "clever craft"). You wouldn't know from the Stormcloaks, who push solely the BarbarianHero[=/=]ProudWarriorRaceGuy aspect of Nordic culture in their push for Skyrim's independence. Arguably a {{Deconstruction}} of HornyVikings.

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* In ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion'', late ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'':
** ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion]]'':
*** Late
into the game, the player must hunt down the BigBad in his pocket dimension, Camoran's Paradise. At first, "Paradise" appears to be a beautiful {{Arcadia}}n valley with flowers and meadows, but later, the player discovers that under this glade is a hellish cavern where Camoran, having made his fallen followers immortal, tortures traitors forever for betraying him. And if you're lucky enough to have been ''faithful'' to Camoran? He has monsters hunt you down and kill you, only for you to return and be hunted down again. The whole point of Camoran's Paradise is that it's meant to be a CrapsaccharineWorld that looks pleasant, but is really a horrible place to be. And yet, a lot of players can't look past the SceneryPorn and download {{Game Mod}}s that let the player revisit Paradise and live there.
** Also from ''Oblivion'': *** Lucien Lachance. He's Lachance is a psychopathic killer who takes unabashed glee in murdering others, but one look at him and most fangirls bring out the [[DracoInLeatherPants leather pants]].
***
pants]]. Partially justified in what you need to do in order to even meet him: joining the Dark Brotherhood. A clan of assassins catered by both the [[GodOfEvil God of]] [[PowerOfTheVoid the Void]], Sithis, and his most loyal subject, an ancient woman who sacrificed her six newborn sons for the glory of said god, and who relays their lord's will through her mummified corpse for only a few select ears to listen. Adhering to such a guild would assume that the player has an special mindset about killing, revenge (the main reason people contract their services), and about being a sword of vindication... But seeing how the fandom only harped about how the gear, perks and other rewards are worthy treading such a path, this concept probably flew over their heads.
** In ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'', there Skyrim]]'':
*** There
seem to be a lot of people who don't understand that the civil war plotline is supposed to be a case of GrayAndGreyMorality where ''each'' side has its flaws and its strengths, and that neither is supposed to be the "good guys" ''or'' the "bad guys". Depending on who you ask, either the Empire is a noble but misunderstood power that is only accepting the Thalmor's demands out of necessity and their control of Skyrim is necessary to maintain stability (when they basically banned the worship of the most important Nord god ''and'' the deified form of their own founder because they didn't want to keep fighting) while the Stormcloaks are a bunch of racist barbarians led by a power-hungry tyrant who only wants Skyrim for himself (when Ulfric has good reason to be offended by the treatment of the Nordic culture and wants Skyrim to be governed by his own people, not to mention the fact that he regrets the fact that he has to fight a war and expresses remorse for his enemies), or the Stormcloaks are justified freedom fighters nobly defending their rightful land against foreign oppression (when they do indeed tend to be xenophobic, and outright racist against dark elves), while the Empire is a ruthless totalitarian regime that wants to crush the civilisations of its conquered territories (when they're only banning the worship of Talos as a diplomatic move that not even they are entirely approving of, and when a more stable unified empire could potentially be safer in the face of another war with the elves.)
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And a good portion of people who don't entirely agree with the Empire or the Stormcloaks symphathize with the Forsworn instead, to the point of publicly expressing their disappointment that the game doesn't allow you to join them [[note]]Technically, you can join the Forsworn by freeing Madanach, but only his tribe in Druadach Redoubt would become friendly[[/note]]. Yes, it is true that the Forsworn are trying to take back their homeland from foreign oppressors. No, you are ''not'' supposed to think [[WouldBeRudeToSayGenocide the]] [[ImAHumanitarian things]] [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil they]] [[GenuineHumanHide do]] in response to said foreign oppressors are in any way correct or justified.
*** You could also argue that the The Stormcloaks, a bunch of Nord separatists, suffer from an in-universe version of this. The Nords of Skyrim are a deceptively civilised people, with an epic history, a [[WarriorPoet longstanding bardic and poet tradition]], a complex honour system and even some historical affinity for magic (the "clever craft"). You wouldn't know from the Stormcloaks, who push solely the BarbarianHero[=/=]ProudWarriorRaceGuy aspect of Nordic culture in their push for Skyrim's independence. Arguably a {{Deconstruction}} of HornyVikings.



* For ''VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss'' there's quite a sizeable amount of people that got turned away from the game for having an unlikeable protagonist in Luke. The problem here is that you're not supposed to like him. He's a brat and the game spares no expense in letting you know it and also showing how much he irks the other characters. He goes through character development at a turning point where almost nobody in the game has any sort of sympathy left for him and resolves to become a better person, losing basically every one of his traits that many players found bothersome. Of course, it's hard to know if a certain character is static or dynamic at first glance, so many players end up missing out on this.
** On the flipside, there are many fans that actually played through the game and heavily sympathize with Asch, and like him more or even state that he deserved to [[spoiler:live]] more than Luke did. The problem is that Luke is intended to be seen as more worthy, as while Asch also got the short end of the stick, he also heavily contrasts Luke by being a static character that does ''not'' undergo character development. He remains an unapologetic asshole through and through, and even some of his more well intended actions that people may like Asch for are the same things that the game goes at length to explain are not good ideas- at least when it's Luke attempting it.

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* For ''VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss'' there's quite a sizeable amount of people that got turned away from the game for having an unlikeable protagonist in Luke. The problem here is that you're not supposed to like him. He's a brat and the game spares no expense in letting you know it and also showing how much he irks the other characters. He goes through character development at a turning point where almost nobody in the game has any sort of sympathy left for him and resolves to become a better person, losing basically every one of his traits that many players found bothersome. Of course, it's hard to know if a certain character is static or dynamic at first glance, so many players end up missing out on this.
**
this.\\\
On the flipside, there are many fans that actually played through the game and heavily sympathize with Asch, and like him more or even state that he deserved to [[spoiler:live]] more than Luke did. The problem is that Luke is intended to be seen as more worthy, as while Asch also got the short end of the stick, he also heavily contrasts Luke by being a static character that does ''not'' undergo character development. He remains an unapologetic asshole through and through, and even some of his more well intended actions that people may like Asch for are the same things that the game goes at length to explain are not good ideas- at least when it's Luke attempting it.



* Some feel that Team Plasma of ''VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite'' are actually in the right. This is in spite of ''the entire point of the game'' being that they're not. Indeed, the games can be seen as Game Freak responding to criticisms similar to the ones Team Plasma make that have been made by actual people.
** It doesn't help that Plasma's [[spoiler:figurehead, N]] legitimately believes that Pokémon abuse is a common thing. Or that, even if he's wrong about how common it is, it ''still happens,'' and the Pokémon it ''does'' happen to are all but defenseless as a result of the nature of Poké Balls. ''Or'' that instead of actually writing a convincing argument against the idea of owning Pokémon, the Plasma mooks are either [[BlatantLies openly, unapologetically]] [[KickTheDog abusing the Pokémon they "liberate"]] or having an "argument" with Plasma as [[TheWarOnStraw The Strawmen]] and [[{{Anvilicious}} everyone else being, well...]]

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* ''{{Franchise/Pokemon}}'':
**
Some feel that Team Plasma of ''VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite'' ''[[VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite Black and White]]'' are actually in the right. This is in spite of ''the entire point of the game'' being that they're not. Indeed, the games can be seen as Game Freak responding to criticisms similar to the ones Team Plasma make that have been made by actual people.
**
people. It doesn't help that Plasma's [[spoiler:figurehead, N]] legitimately believes that Pokémon abuse is a common thing. Or that, even if he's wrong about how common it is, it ''still happens,'' and the Pokémon it ''does'' happen to are all but defenseless as a result of the nature of Poké Balls. ''Or'' that instead of actually writing a convincing argument against the idea of owning Pokémon, the Plasma mooks are either [[BlatantLies openly, unapologetically]] [[KickTheDog abusing the Pokémon they "liberate"]] or having an "argument" with Plasma as [[TheWarOnStraw The Strawmen]] and [[{{Anvilicious}} everyone else being, well...]]



** Similarly, Lavender Town in Red and Blue was probably intended to make the distinction between fainting in battle and actual death clear, as well as to teach kids to treat death with more respect. A large portion of the fandom now considers Lavender Town CreepyAwesome, fixating on its NightmareFuel aspects and creating Creepypasta that makes it far more disturbing than it actually is.

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** Similarly, Lavender Town in ''[[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue Red and Blue Blue]]'' was probably intended to make the distinction between fainting in battle and actual death clear, as well as to teach kids to treat death with more respect. A large portion of the fandom now considers Lavender Town CreepyAwesome, fixating on its NightmareFuel aspects and creating Creepypasta that makes it far more disturbing than it actually is.



* After the release of ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'', the Enclave went from being the most generally hated faction in the wasteland, as they were in ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 2}}'', to having a ''huge'' fandom, who [[RootingForTheEmpire consider them the best bet to lead the Capital Wasteland out of the darkness]]. This is partially explainable by the fact that Fallout 3 doesn't directly reference their origins as the insane and inbred descendants of the corrupt military and governmental elites who caused the great war, and tones down their genocidal inclinations from "standard operating procedure" to "providence of the somewhat crazed AI that's supposedly running the show". But, even then, the Enclave are still a bunch of brutal would-be tyrants and warlords who want to rule everything with an iron fist. It's just that the portrayal of the Capital Wasteland as, well, a wasteland full of raiders and super mutants makes some fans argue that their dominance would be a step ''up''. Not helping is that, in [[VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas the subsequent game]], you can find some [[TokenHeroicOrc non-evil survivors of the Enclave]] who will actively work for you if you desire, providing the best suit of power armor in the game and some of the most lethal combat assets, which only makes them seem more sympathetic and admirable to some players.
** Another misaimed fandom that springs from this game is for the Brotherhood of Steel. Introduced as an isolationist band of arrogant xenophobes who used theoretically noble claims of "protecting humanity from the abusive potential of technology" as an excuse to bully and steal all the tech they could in [[VideoGame/{{Fallout 1}} the first game]], a policy that had backfired on them by the second game. The third game introduced the Capital Wasteland Chapter, a branch of the Brotherhood that had explicitly broken away from the traditions and goals of their East Coast counterparts in order to serve as a power for good in the Capital Wasteland. They were so hugely popular that, despite the in-game characters explicitly saying they're a splinter-sect and not at all acting like the Brotherhood "should", newcomer fans were infuriated when the subsequent games showed more traditionalist sects, claiming that the New Vegas Chapter -- and especially the "restructured" Brotherhood from ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 4}}'' -- were completely antithetical to what the Brotherhood "should" be like.
*** Even more frightening are the people who claim that the Brotherhood is the best choice for the Commonwealth. They're pretty much a [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything fanatic, isolationist, autocratic cult of personality]] with access to the most raw firepower of any faction, besides maybe the NCR who, despite their position in the Capitol Wasteland only 10 years earlier, seems to be more interested in killing all Ghouls, Super Mutants, and Synths over helping the people of the Commonwealth. Granted, neither the Railroad nor the Institute helps the Commonwealth as a whole, but they don't really claim to.

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* After the release of ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'', 3}}'':
** After the release of the game,
the Enclave went from being the most generally hated faction in the wasteland, as they were in ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 2}}'', to having a ''huge'' fandom, who [[RootingForTheEmpire consider them the best bet to lead the Capital Wasteland out of the darkness]]. This is partially explainable by the fact that Fallout 3 doesn't directly reference their origins as the insane and inbred descendants of the corrupt military and governmental elites who caused the great war, and tones down their genocidal inclinations from "standard operating procedure" to "providence of the somewhat crazed AI that's supposedly running the show". But, even then, the Enclave are still a bunch of brutal would-be tyrants and warlords who want to rule everything with an iron fist. It's just that the portrayal of the Capital Wasteland as, well, a wasteland full of raiders and super mutants makes some fans argue that their dominance would be a step ''up''. Not helping is that, in [[VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas the subsequent game]], you can find some [[TokenHeroicOrc non-evil survivors of the Enclave]] who will actively work for you if you desire, providing the best suit of power armor in the game and some of the most lethal combat assets, which only makes them seem more sympathetic and admirable to some players.
** Another misaimed fandom that springs from this game is for the The Brotherhood of Steel. Introduced as an isolationist band of arrogant xenophobes who used theoretically noble claims of "protecting humanity from the abusive potential of technology" as an excuse to bully and steal all the tech they could in [[VideoGame/{{Fallout 1}} the first game]], a policy that had backfired on them by the second game. The third game introduced the Capital Wasteland Chapter, a branch of the Brotherhood that had explicitly broken away from the traditions and goals of their East Coast counterparts in order to serve as a power for good in the Capital Wasteland. They were so hugely popular that, despite the in-game characters explicitly saying they're a splinter-sect and not at all acting like the Brotherhood "should", newcomer fans were infuriated when the subsequent games showed more traditionalist sects, claiming that the New Vegas Chapter -- and especially the "restructured" Brotherhood from ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 4}}'' -- were completely antithetical to what the Brotherhood "should" be like.
***
like.\\\
Even more frightening are the people who claim that the Brotherhood is the best choice for the Commonwealth. They're pretty much a [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything fanatic, isolationist, autocratic cult of personality]] with access to the most raw firepower of any faction, besides maybe the NCR who, despite their position in the Capitol Wasteland only 10 years earlier, seems to be more interested in killing all Ghouls, Super Mutants, and Synths over helping the people of the Commonwealth. Granted, neither the Railroad nor the Institute helps the Commonwealth as a whole, but they don't really claim to.



* ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' fandom: It's "Mad King" Gangrel's is simply after WarForFunAndProfit, and doesn't have any noble motives by the game's beginning. This is hammered '''repeatedly''' through the game, [[spoiler:'''even by Gangrel himself after his HeelFaceTurn''' who says he lost sight of his original goal of uniting the continent against Valm after taking power]]. And yet many Gangrel fans say he was a WellIntentionedExtremist out for justice against Plegia. This is despite the game showing Gangrel oppressing Plegians, his backstory making it clear the Ylisse/Grimleal war didn't effect him, and his MotiveRant revealing he wanted revenge on Plegia for his bad childhood.

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* ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' fandom: ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'':
**
It's "Mad King" Gangrel's is simply after WarForFunAndProfit, and doesn't have any noble motives by the game's beginning. This is hammered '''repeatedly''' through the game, [[spoiler:'''even by Gangrel himself after his HeelFaceTurn''' who says he lost sight of his original goal of uniting the continent against Valm after taking power]]. And yet many Gangrel fans say he was a WellIntentionedExtremist out for justice against Plegia. This is despite the game showing Gangrel oppressing Plegians, his backstory making it clear the Ylisse/Grimleal war didn't effect him, and his MotiveRant revealing he wanted revenge on Plegia for his bad childhood.



* Adachi from ''VideoGame/Persona4''. A serial-killing, misogynist, "police dick" (no, seriously, that's a canon title) whose attitude towards woman is basically summed up in his fandom popular phrase from Persona 4 [[BeamMeUpScotty which he never actually said in that game]], "whores and bitches". For some reason though, there's a vast majority of the fanbase who actually considers him "not that bad". Never mind the fact that he's completely sexist, he's also a complete psychopath, who cannot be described in any other way then "fucked in the head". Of course, this isn't helped by the fact there's an ending in the game where the player character can pick to act as Adachi's accomplice. Again, this ending wasn't supposed to feel rewarding though. It's specially designed to be a "you're a screwed up person" ending. The writers explicitly stated numerous times that the entire idea of Adachi was to design someone the player would end up loathing, who could be considered without any real question or debate as being a "bad guy", who everyone and their dog wouldn't like by the end of the game, especially to be in contrast with Persona 3, where some of the real villains have some arguably good intentions. Adachi, however, was designed to be completely evil, with next to no real redeeming factors left by the end of the game.
* In ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'', the two characters with some gender/sexuality quirks, Kanji Tatsumi and Naoto Shirogane, have been struck with a considerable amount of this. Naoto's problem is covered above, but with Kanji, the fandom has a tendency to fixate on Kanji's ambiguous sexuality as the be-all, end-all of his problems, when the game makes it clear that, as much as his sexuality is a ''part'' of his problems with himself, his real problem is with acceptance of his whole personality -- especially his [[RealMenWearPink "unmanly" hobbies and interests]] -- both from himself and from other people. Essentially, the fans [[{{Flanderization}} flanderize]] him into "the token Gay Guy", when his actual story is how he simply isn't sure how to view himself in relation to Japan's strict viewpoints on gender roles.
** ''WebAnimation/ExtraCredits'' gets on on this - in their sexual diversity episode, they praise Atlus for writing a gay character and praise Kanji because a tough guy with a feminine side who is gay (And comes to terms about it) makes him different than the other tough guys with feminine sides in their eyes. The bit about the acceptance of his personality is rarely mentioned at all, and they even [[FacePalm bring up Naoto as an example in this episode]] but don't go in because they feel it would be too spoilerific.

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* Adachi from ''VideoGame/Persona4''. A ''VideoGame/Persona4'':
** Adachi, a
serial-killing, misogynist, "police dick" (no, seriously, that's a canon title) whose attitude towards woman is basically summed up in his fandom popular phrase from Persona 4 [[BeamMeUpScotty which he never actually said in that game]], "whores and bitches". For some reason though, there's a vast majority of the fanbase who actually considers him "not that bad". Never mind the fact that he's completely sexist, he's also a complete psychopath, who cannot be described in any other way then "fucked in the head". Of course, this isn't helped by the fact there's an ending in the game where the player character can pick to act as Adachi's accomplice. Again, this ending wasn't supposed to feel rewarding though. It's specially designed to be a "you're a screwed up person" ending. The writers explicitly stated numerous times that the entire idea of Adachi was to design someone the player would end up loathing, who could be considered without any real question or debate as being a "bad guy", who everyone and their dog wouldn't like by the end of the game, especially to be in contrast with Persona 3, where some of the real villains have some arguably good intentions. Adachi, however, was designed to be completely evil, with next to no real redeeming factors left by the end of the game.
* In ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'', the ** The two characters with some gender/sexuality quirks, Kanji Tatsumi and Naoto Shirogane, have been struck with a considerable amount of this. Naoto's problem is covered above, but with Kanji, the fandom has a tendency to fixate on Kanji's ambiguous sexuality as the be-all, end-all of his problems, when the game makes it clear that, as much as his sexuality is a ''part'' of his problems with himself, his real problem is with acceptance of his whole personality -- especially his [[RealMenWearPink "unmanly" hobbies and interests]] -- both from himself and from other people. Essentially, the fans [[{{Flanderization}} flanderize]] him into "the token Gay Guy", when his actual story is how he simply isn't sure how to view himself in relation to Japan's strict viewpoints on gender roles.
**
roles.\\
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''WebAnimation/ExtraCredits'' gets on on this - in their sexual diversity episode, they praise Atlus for writing a gay character and praise Kanji because a tough guy with a feminine side who is gay (And comes to terms about it) makes him different than the other tough guys with feminine sides in their eyes. The bit about the acceptance of his personality is rarely mentioned at all, and they even [[FacePalm bring up Naoto as an example in this episode]] but don't go in because they feel it would be too spoilerific.



* In the previous game, ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'', there's Yukari Takeba, whose [[TookALevelInJerkass actions]] in The Answer are seen by many fans as proof she was a horrible BitchInSheepsClothing all along. While its true her actions are meant to be viewed as wrong, the game makes it clear [[DespairEventHorizon she's irrational over the loss of someone extremely close to her]], and dealing with personal loss is a major theme of the game. When she eventually opens up to her friends about it, they're able to help her through it [[CharacterDevelopment and she comes out a better person.]] Her detractors ignore her epiphany and consider her a nothing more than a cruel, jealous AlphaBitch, and downplay her moments of niceness during the main story.
** Ironically, the same people who insist that Yukari was stupid and wrong for wanting to resurrect [[spoiler:the Protagonist]] are the same ones clamoring for [[spoiler:the Protagonist]] to be added to the roster of ''VideoGame/Persona4Arena'', despite said game existing within the canon universe of ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' and ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'' ... and thus demanding the exact same thing as Yukari did in The Answer.
** Then there's the drama surrounding the October 4th incident. In canon, [[spoiler: Shinjiro gives his life to save Ken, someone he ''knew'' hated him [[YouKilledmyFather after he accidentally caused the death of Ken's mother]], from Takaya. This is meant to be a poignant and touching HeroicSacrifice, and if the player is supposed to hate anyone for this, it's [[TheDragon Takaya.]]]] However, since Shinjiro is an EnsembleDarkhorse and Ken is TheScrappy, fans [[spoiler: hold Ken responsible for Shinjiro's death.]] Granted, Ken did call Shinjiro to [[spoiler:the spot where his mother was murdered with the intent of killing him]], but [[spoiler:not only did he not kill Shinjiro, he also deeply regretted desiring revenge]]. It got so bad that official spinoffs and adaptations had to undertake major damage control and go drastically out of their way to make Ken more sympathetic, but he'll still NeverLiveItDown.

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* In the previous game, ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'', there's 3}}'':
**
Yukari Takeba, whose Takeba's [[TookALevelInJerkass actions]] in The Answer are seen by many fans as proof she was a horrible BitchInSheepsClothing all along. While its true her actions are meant to be viewed as wrong, the game makes it clear [[DespairEventHorizon she's irrational over the loss of someone extremely close to her]], and dealing with personal loss is a major theme of the game. When she eventually opens up to her friends about it, they're able to help her through it [[CharacterDevelopment and she comes out a better person.]] Her detractors ignore her epiphany and consider her a nothing more than a cruel, jealous AlphaBitch, and downplay her moments of niceness during the main story.
**
story.\\\
Ironically, the same people who insist that Yukari was stupid and wrong for wanting to resurrect [[spoiler:the Protagonist]] are the same ones clamoring for [[spoiler:the Protagonist]] to be added to the roster of ''VideoGame/Persona4Arena'', despite said game existing within the canon universe of ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' and ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'' ... and thus demanding the exact same thing as Yukari did in The Answer.
** Then there's the The drama surrounding the October 4th incident. In canon, [[spoiler: Shinjiro gives his life to save Ken, someone he ''knew'' hated him [[YouKilledmyFather after he accidentally caused the death of Ken's mother]], from Takaya. This is meant to be a poignant and touching HeroicSacrifice, and if the player is supposed to hate anyone for this, it's [[TheDragon Takaya.]]]] However, since Shinjiro is an EnsembleDarkhorse and Ken is TheScrappy, fans [[spoiler: hold Ken responsible for Shinjiro's death.]] Granted, Ken did call Shinjiro to [[spoiler:the spot where his mother was murdered with the intent of killing him]], but [[spoiler:not only did he not kill Shinjiro, he also deeply regretted desiring revenge]]. It got so bad that official spinoffs and adaptations had to undertake major damage control and go drastically out of their way to make Ken more sympathetic, but he'll still NeverLiveItDown.



* While [[{{Goth}} Goth Boy]] for the ''VideoGame/MySims'' series has [[EnsembleDarkhorse many fans]], a few fans believe the creators [[CriticalResearchFailure got the goth subculture wrong]]. Except, if anything, Goth Boy is supposed to be an AffectionateParody. The game has many Spooky Sims, each having their own unique personalities, so saying they got it wrong with just one character isn't fair. Plus the subculture is pretty chill and doesn't have too many requirements, [[AccidentallyCorrectWriting so the games actually got it]] ''[[AccidentallyCorrectWriting right]]''.
** Also, a lot of the same people gave us [[VideoGame/TheSims the Goth Family]].

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* While [[{{Goth}} Goth Boy]] for the ''VideoGame/MySims'' series has [[EnsembleDarkhorse many fans]], a few fans believe the creators [[CriticalResearchFailure got the goth subculture wrong]]. Except, if anything, Goth Boy is supposed to be an AffectionateParody. The game has many Spooky Sims, each having their own unique personalities, so saying they got it wrong with just one character isn't fair. Plus the subculture is pretty chill and doesn't have too many requirements, [[AccidentallyCorrectWriting so the games actually got it]] ''[[AccidentallyCorrectWriting right]]''.
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right]]''. Also, a lot of the same people gave us [[VideoGame/TheSims the Goth Family]].
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* While [[{{Goth}} Goth Boy]] for the ''VideoGame/MySims'' series has [[EnsembleDarkhorse many fans]], a few fans believe the creators [[CriticalResearchFailure got the goth subculture wrong]]. Except, if anything, Goth Boy is supposed to be an AffectionateParody. The game has many Spooky Sims, each having their own unique personalities, so saying they got it wrong with just one character isn't fair. Plus the subculture is pretty chill and doesn't have too many requirements, [[AccidentallyAccurate so the games actually got it]] ''[[AccidentallyAccurate right]]''.

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* While [[{{Goth}} Goth Boy]] for the ''VideoGame/MySims'' series has [[EnsembleDarkhorse many fans]], a few fans believe the creators [[CriticalResearchFailure got the goth subculture wrong]]. Except, if anything, Goth Boy is supposed to be an AffectionateParody. The game has many Spooky Sims, each having their own unique personalities, so saying they got it wrong with just one character isn't fair. Plus the subculture is pretty chill and doesn't have too many requirements, [[AccidentallyAccurate [[AccidentallyCorrectWriting so the games actually got it]] ''[[AccidentallyAccurate ''[[AccidentallyCorrectWriting right]]''.
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