History MisaimedFandom / VideoGames

23rd Jun '17 9:16:11 AM Peridonyx
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** There are fans who seem to enjoy RonTheDeathEater-ing [[HeWhoFightsMonsters DiZ]] and [[KnightTemplar Eraqus]] while simultaneously DracoInLeatherPants-ing their clearly far-worse enemies [[note]]Ironically, different incarnations of the same guy, no less.[[/note]] who caused said {[Jerkass}}eries to begin with. And no, not even [=DiZ=]'s and Eraqus's eventual {{Heel Realization}}s (in contrast to said enemies' LackOfEmpathy, of course) are enough to subvert this.

to:

** There are fans who seem to enjoy RonTheDeathEater-ing [[HeWhoFightsMonsters DiZ]] and [[KnightTemplar Eraqus]] while simultaneously DracoInLeatherPants-ing their clearly far-worse enemies [[note]]Ironically, different incarnations of the same guy, no less.[[/note]] who caused said {[Jerkass}}eries {{Jerkass}}eries to begin with. And no, not even [=DiZ=]'s and Eraqus's eventual {{Heel Realization}}s (in contrast to said enemies' LackOfEmpathy, of course) are enough to subvert this.
23rd Jun '17 9:15:44 AM Peridonyx
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** There are fans who seem to enjoy RonTheDeathEater-ing [[HeWhoFightsMonsters DiZ]] and [[KnightTemplar Eraqus]] while simultaneously DracoInLeatherPants-ing their clearly far-worse enemies [[note]]Ironically, different incarnations of the same guy, no less.[[/note]] who caused said {[Jerkass}}eries to begin with. And no, not even DiZ's and Eraqus's eventual {{Heel Realization}}s (in contrast to said enemies' LackOfEmpathy, of course) are enough to subvert this.

to:

** There are fans who seem to enjoy RonTheDeathEater-ing [[HeWhoFightsMonsters DiZ]] and [[KnightTemplar Eraqus]] while simultaneously DracoInLeatherPants-ing their clearly far-worse enemies [[note]]Ironically, different incarnations of the same guy, no less.[[/note]] who caused said {[Jerkass}}eries to begin with. And no, not even DiZ's [=DiZ=]'s and Eraqus's eventual {{Heel Realization}}s (in contrast to said enemies' LackOfEmpathy, of course) are enough to subvert this.
23rd Jun '17 9:14:58 AM Peridonyx
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** There are fans who seem to enjoy RonTheDeathEater-ing [[HeWhoFightsMonsters DiZ]] and [[KnightTemplar Eraqus]] while simultaneously DracoInLeatherPants-ing their clearly far-worse enemies [[note]]Ironically, different incarnations of the same guy, no less.[[/note]] who caused said {[Jerkass}}eries to begin with. And no, not even DiZ's and Eraqus's eventual {{Heel Realization}}s (in contrast to said enemies' LackOfEmpathy, of course) are enough to subvert this.
29th May '17 2:25:31 PM rjd1922
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** The people who complain about the [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption fact you're forced to make Phoenix present the diary page in the flashback trial despite the player knowing full well it's the forged evidence that gets him disbarred]], miss the point that "unfair" and "gut wrenching" is exactly how it's meant to feel. The past is the past, and Phoenix's entire stance in the game is that "what's done was done" and what happened happened. You can't just change what happened to Phoenix through the comfort of the fourth wall - Even you, the player are powerless to prevent the inevitable, despite how unfair not being able to just by-step it is.
** With the reveal of The Phantom. There's some people who are incredibly pissed off about the reveal where it turns out the [[spoiler:The Phantom is impersonating Fulbright, and the real Fulbright's been dead since before the game]]. These people are failing to realize that that's exactly what it's supposed to feel like. The Phantom played you for a complete [[JustForPun Fool Bright]], and made you trust him completely, only for it turn out he's not even the person he says he is. Yeah, that anger you feel deep down at that plot twist? It was intentional.

to:

** The In ''VisualNovel/ApolloJusticeAceAttorney'', the people who complain about the [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption fact you're forced to make Phoenix present the diary page in the flashback trial despite the player knowing full well it's the forged evidence that gets him disbarred]], miss the point that "unfair" and "gut wrenching" is exactly how it's meant to feel. The past is the past, and Phoenix's entire stance in the game is that "what's done was done" and what happened happened. You can't just change what happened to Phoenix through the comfort of the fourth wall - Even you, the player are powerless to prevent the inevitable, despite how unfair not being able to just by-step it is.
** With In ''[[VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneyDualDestinies Dual Destinies]]'', with the reveal of The Phantom. There's the phantom, there's some people who are incredibly pissed off about the reveal where it turns out the [[spoiler:The Phantom [[spoiler:the phantom is impersonating Bobby Fulbright, and the real Fulbright's been dead since before the game]]. These people are failing to realize that that's exactly what it's supposed to feel like. The Phantom phantom played you for a complete [[JustForPun [[{{Pun}} Fool Bright]], and made you trust him completely, only for it turn out he's not even the person he says he is. Yeah, that anger you feel deep down at that plot twist? It was intentional.
23rd Apr '17 8:21:49 PM nombretomado
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** An inversion of this trope happens with Xion in ''358/2 days''. A lot of people hate her because of her Mary Sue traits... when in actuality they are deconstructed even ''more'' horribly than the Franchise/TalesSeries does to many common tropes.

to:

** An inversion of this trope happens with Xion in ''358/2 days''. A lot of people hate her because of her Mary Sue traits... when in actuality they are deconstructed even ''more'' horribly than the Franchise/TalesSeries VideoGame/TalesSeries does to many common tropes.



* Related, the Franchise/TalesSeries has some people criticize the games for being "Cliche" and play a lot of the tropes absolutely straight. While the ClicheStorm trope may not be too far from the truth of a few games, part of the reason that the games have a fanbase is that even from the start, the Franchise/TalesSeries has been known as a DeconstructorFleet - starting almost every game as an absolute ClicheStorm, and then starting to turn around deconstructing all the cliches that they just played totally straight.

to:

* Related, the Franchise/TalesSeries VideoGame/TalesSeries has some people criticize the games for being "Cliche" and play a lot of the tropes absolutely straight. While the ClicheStorm trope may not be too far from the truth of a few games, part of the reason that the games have a fanbase is that even from the start, the Franchise/TalesSeries VideoGame/TalesSeries has been known as a DeconstructorFleet - starting almost every game as an absolute ClicheStorm, and then starting to turn around deconstructing all the cliches that they just played totally straight.
18th Apr '17 7:09:03 PM MagBas
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** ''WebAnimation/ExtraCredits'' gets on on this - in their sexual diversity episode, they praise Atlus for writing a gay character and praise Kanji because [[UnfortunateImplications a tough guy with a feminine side who is gay (And comes to terms about it) makes him different than the other tough guys with feminine sides]] in their eyes. The bit about the acceptance of his personality is rarely mentioned at all, and they even [[FacePalm bring up Naoto as an example in this episode]] but don't go in because they feel it would be too spoilerific.

to:

** ''WebAnimation/ExtraCredits'' gets on on this - in their sexual diversity episode, they praise Atlus for writing a gay character and praise Kanji because [[UnfortunateImplications a tough guy with a feminine side who is gay (And comes to terms about it) makes him different than the other tough guys with feminine sides]] sides in their eyes. The bit about the acceptance of his personality is rarely mentioned at all, and they even [[FacePalm bring up Naoto as an example in this episode]] but don't go in because they feel it would be too spoilerific.
24th Mar '17 8:58:45 PM Lizardon
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** Ironically, the same people who insist that Yukari was stupid and wrong for wanting to resurrect the Protagonist are the same ones clamoring for the Protagonist to be added to the roster of ''VideoGame/Persona4Arena'', despite said game existing within the canon universe of ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' and ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'' ... and thus demanding the exact same thing as Yukari did in The Answer.

to:

** Ironically, the same people who insist that Yukari was stupid and wrong for wanting to resurrect the Protagonist [[spoiler:the Protagonist]] are the same ones clamoring for the Protagonist [[spoiler:the Protagonist]] to be added to the roster of ''VideoGame/Persona4Arena'', despite said game existing within the canon universe of ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' and ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'' ... and thus demanding the exact same thing as Yukari did in The Answer.
23rd Mar '17 12:26:21 AM jtierney50
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

*** Even more frightening are the people who claim that the Brotherhood is the best choice for the Commonwealth. They're pretty much a [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything fanatic, isolationist, autocratic cult of personality]] with access to the most raw firepower of any faction, besides maybe the NCR who, despite their position in the Capitol Wasteland only 10 years earlier, seems to be more interested in killing all Ghouls, Super Mutants, and Synths over helping the people of the Commonwealth. Granted, neither the Railroad nor the Institute helps the Commonwealth as a whole, but they don't really claim to.
9th Mar '17 12:31:17 PM Aipom-pom
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** Another misaimed fandom that springs from this game is for the Brotherhood of Steel. Introduced as an isolationist band of arrogant xenophobes who used theoretically noble claims of "protecting humanity from the abusive potential of technology" as an excuse to bully and steal all the tech they could in [[VideoGame/{{Fallout 1}} the first game]], a policy that had backfired on them by the second game. The third game introduced the Capital Wasteland Chapter, a banch of the Brotherhood that had explicitly broken away from the traditions and goals of their East Coast counterparts in order to serve as a power for good in the Capital Wasteland. They were so hugely popular that, despite the in-game characters explicitly saying they're a splinter-sect and not at all acting like the Brotherhood "should", newcomer fans were infuriated when the subsequent games showed more traditionalist sects, claiming that the New Vegas Chapter -- and especially the "restructured" Brotherhood from ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 4}}'' -- were completely antithetical to what the Brotherhood "should" be like.

to:

** Another misaimed fandom that springs from this game is for the Brotherhood of Steel. Introduced as an isolationist band of arrogant xenophobes who used theoretically noble claims of "protecting humanity from the abusive potential of technology" as an excuse to bully and steal all the tech they could in [[VideoGame/{{Fallout 1}} the first game]], a policy that had backfired on them by the second game. The third game introduced the Capital Wasteland Chapter, a banch branch of the Brotherhood that had explicitly broken away from the traditions and goals of their East Coast counterparts in order to serve as a power for good in the Capital Wasteland. They were so hugely popular that, despite the in-game characters explicitly saying they're a splinter-sect and not at all acting like the Brotherhood "should", newcomer fans were infuriated when the subsequent games showed more traditionalist sects, claiming that the New Vegas Chapter -- and especially the "restructured" Brotherhood from ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 4}}'' -- were completely antithetical to what the Brotherhood "should" be like.



* In the previous game, ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'', there's Yukari Takeba, whos [[TookALevelInJerkass actions]] in The Answer are seen by many fans as proof she was a horrible BitchInSheepsClothing all along. While its true her actions are meant to be viewed as wrong, the game makes it clear [[DespairEventHorizon she's irrational over the loss of someone extemely close to her]], and dealing with personal loss is a major theme of the game. When she eventually opens up to her friends about it, they're able to help her through it [[CharacterDevelopment and she comes out a better person.]] Her detractors ignore her epiphany and consider her a nothing more than a cruel, jealous AlphaBitch, and downplay her moments of niceness during the main story.
** Ironically, the same people who insist that Yukari was stupid and wrong for wanting to resurrect the Protagonist are the same ones clamouring for the Protagonist to be added to the roster of ''VideoGame/Persona4Arena'', despite said game existing within the canon universe of ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' and ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'' ... and thus demanding the exact same thing as Yukari did in The Answer.
** Then there's the drama surrounding the October 4th incident. In canon, [[spoiler: Shinjiro gives his life to save Ken, someone he ''knew'' hated him [[YouKilledmyFather after he accidentally caused the death of Ken's mother]], from Takaya. This is meant to be a poingent and touching HeroicSacrifice, and if the player is supposed to hate anyone for this, it's [[TheDragon Takaya.]]]] However, since Shinjiro is an EnsembleDarkhorse and Ken is TheScrappy, fans [[spoiler: hold Ken responsible for Shinjiro's death.]] Granted, Ken did call Shinjiro to [[spoiler:the spot where his mother was murdered with the intent of killing him]], but [[spoiler:not only did he not kill Shinjiro, he also deeply regretted desiring revenge]]. It got so bad that official spinoffs and adaptations had to undertake major damage control and go drastically out of their way to make Ken more sympathetic, but he'll still NeverLiveItDown.
* ''Franchise/DanganRonpa'''s fans often tend to believe that the Ultimates are gifted people, the best in their area and that for having talent, they are above the normal students. This goes counter to one of the main themes of the game, particularly [[VisualNovel/SuperDanganRonpa2 the second one]], that one's worth is not necessarily defined by talent or lack thereof. Some Free Time events show the various Ultimates connecting with Makoto Naegi ([[BornLucky the Ultimate Lucky Student]]) or Hajime Hinata ([[spoiler:who has no Ultimate talent at all]]) more easily than most of their Ultimate classmates, simply because those two are more normal, and it's noted that the Ultimates [[WhenAllYouHaveIsAHammer tend to fall back on their talents in desperate situations]] (most of the murders involve the culprits using their talent). Near the end of the second game, Hajime, [[spoiler:after learning that his [[IJustWantToBeSpecial desire for a talent]] led to him becoming Izuru Kamukura and essentially causing the events that led to the collapse of civilization]], realizes that self-confidence is most important of all, enabling him to save the day and [[spoiler:live on as Hajime, not Izuru]], an outcome he is happy with.
** The main character seeing the world in this light is Nagito Komaeda, who gets continuously crazier and crazier through the game and [[spoiler: plays a later part of the game as an antegonist, even trying to kill everybody in chapter 5]]. Outside of him, you have the very Hope's Peak Academy, which was responsible for [[spoiler: laying out the ground for Junko to cause The Tragedy. They treated the Reserve Students as useless cash cows, spent insane amount of money on the Main Course, of which the students were not even asked to participate the class, as long as they still had their talents, they covered up murders, genocides and bombings caused by students, who often got minimum punishment for it and created Izuru Kamukura, by injecting talents on a normal student until he became devoid of empathy for humans and was easily used by Junko as a killing machine.]]

to:

* In the previous game, ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'', there's Yukari Takeba, whos whose [[TookALevelInJerkass actions]] in The Answer are seen by many fans as proof she was a horrible BitchInSheepsClothing all along. While its true her actions are meant to be viewed as wrong, the game makes it clear [[DespairEventHorizon she's irrational over the loss of someone extemely extremely close to her]], and dealing with personal loss is a major theme of the game. When she eventually opens up to her friends about it, they're able to help her through it [[CharacterDevelopment and she comes out a better person.]] Her detractors ignore her epiphany and consider her a nothing more than a cruel, jealous AlphaBitch, and downplay her moments of niceness during the main story.
** Ironically, the same people who insist that Yukari was stupid and wrong for wanting to resurrect the Protagonist are the same ones clamouring clamoring for the Protagonist to be added to the roster of ''VideoGame/Persona4Arena'', despite said game existing within the canon universe of ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' and ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'' ... and thus demanding the exact same thing as Yukari did in The Answer.
** Then there's the drama surrounding the October 4th incident. In canon, [[spoiler: Shinjiro gives his life to save Ken, someone he ''knew'' hated him [[YouKilledmyFather after he accidentally caused the death of Ken's mother]], from Takaya. This is meant to be a poingent poignant and touching HeroicSacrifice, and if the player is supposed to hate anyone for this, it's [[TheDragon Takaya.]]]] However, since Shinjiro is an EnsembleDarkhorse and Ken is TheScrappy, fans [[spoiler: hold Ken responsible for Shinjiro's death.]] Granted, Ken did call Shinjiro to [[spoiler:the spot where his mother was murdered with the intent of killing him]], but [[spoiler:not only did he not kill Shinjiro, he also deeply regretted desiring revenge]]. It got so bad that official spinoffs and adaptations had to undertake major damage control and go drastically out of their way to make Ken more sympathetic, but he'll still NeverLiveItDown.
* ''Franchise/DanganRonpa'''s fans often tend to believe that the Ultimates are gifted people, the best in their area and that for having talent, they are above the normal students. This goes counter to one of the main themes of the game, particularly [[VisualNovel/SuperDanganRonpa2 the second one]], that one's worth is not necessarily defined by talent or lack thereof. Some Free Time events show the various Ultimates connecting with Makoto Naegi ([[BornLucky the Ultimate Lucky Student]]) or Hajime Hinata ([[spoiler:who has no Ultimate talent at all]]) more easily than most of their Ultimate classmates, simply because those two are more normal, and it's noted that the Ultimates [[WhenAllYouHaveIsAHammer tend to fall back on their talents in desperate situations]] (most of the murders involve the culprits using their talent). Near the end of the second game, Hajime, Hinata, [[spoiler:after learning that his [[IJustWantToBeSpecial desire for a talent]] led to him becoming Izuru Kamukura and essentially causing the events that led to the collapse of civilization]], realizes that self-confidence is most important of all, enabling him to save the day and [[spoiler:live on as Hajime, Hinata, not Izuru]], Kamukura]], an outcome he is happy with.
** The main character seeing the world in this light is Nagito Komaeda, who gets continuously crazier and crazier through the game and [[spoiler: plays a later part of the game as an antegonist, antagonist, even trying to kill everybody in chapter 5]]. Outside of him, you have the very Hope's Peak Academy, which was responsible for [[spoiler: laying out the ground for Junko to cause The Tragedy. They treated the Reserve Students as useless cash cows, spent insane amount of money on the Main Course, of which the students were not even asked to participate the class, as long as they still had their talents, they covered up murders, genocides and bombings caused by students, who often got minimum punishment for it and created Izuru Kamukura, by injecting talents on a normal student until he became devoid of empathy for humans and was easily used by Junko as a killing machine.]]
4th Mar '17 9:37:50 AM nombretomado
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* Several people have said that they'd rather play the ShallowParody of ''MarioKart'' used in [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPqRue51GZ8 the commercial]] for ''VideoGame/{{Blur}}'' rather then the actual game. Apparently the game helped sales for ''Mario Kart'' too.

to:

* Several people have said that they'd rather play the ShallowParody of ''MarioKart'' ''VideoGame/MarioKart'' used in [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPqRue51GZ8 the commercial]] for ''VideoGame/{{Blur}}'' rather then the actual game. Apparently the game helped sales for ''Mario Kart'' too.
This list shows the last 10 events of 347. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=MisaimedFandom.VideoGames