History MisaimedFandom / VideoGames

24th Mar '17 8:58:45 PM Lizardon
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** Ironically, the same people who insist that Yukari was stupid and wrong for wanting to resurrect the Protagonist are the same ones clamoring for the Protagonist to be added to the roster of ''VideoGame/Persona4Arena'', despite said game existing within the canon universe of ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' and ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'' ... and thus demanding the exact same thing as Yukari did in The Answer.

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** Ironically, the same people who insist that Yukari was stupid and wrong for wanting to resurrect the Protagonist [[spoiler:the Protagonist]] are the same ones clamoring for the Protagonist [[spoiler:the Protagonist]] to be added to the roster of ''VideoGame/Persona4Arena'', despite said game existing within the canon universe of ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' and ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'' ... and thus demanding the exact same thing as Yukari did in The Answer.
23rd Mar '17 12:26:21 AM jtierney50
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*** Even more frightening are the people who claim that the Brotherhood is the best choice for the Commonwealth. They're pretty much a [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything fanatic, isolationist, autocratic cult of personality]] with access to the most raw firepower of any faction, besides maybe the NCR who, despite their position in the Capitol Wasteland only 10 years earlier, seems to be more interested in killing all Ghouls, Super Mutants, and Synths over helping the people of the Commonwealth. Granted, neither the Railroad nor the Institute helps the Commonwealth as a whole, but they don't really claim to.
9th Mar '17 12:31:17 PM Aipom-pom
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** Another misaimed fandom that springs from this game is for the Brotherhood of Steel. Introduced as an isolationist band of arrogant xenophobes who used theoretically noble claims of "protecting humanity from the abusive potential of technology" as an excuse to bully and steal all the tech they could in [[VideoGame/{{Fallout 1}} the first game]], a policy that had backfired on them by the second game. The third game introduced the Capital Wasteland Chapter, a banch of the Brotherhood that had explicitly broken away from the traditions and goals of their East Coast counterparts in order to serve as a power for good in the Capital Wasteland. They were so hugely popular that, despite the in-game characters explicitly saying they're a splinter-sect and not at all acting like the Brotherhood "should", newcomer fans were infuriated when the subsequent games showed more traditionalist sects, claiming that the New Vegas Chapter -- and especially the "restructured" Brotherhood from ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 4}}'' -- were completely antithetical to what the Brotherhood "should" be like.

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** Another misaimed fandom that springs from this game is for the Brotherhood of Steel. Introduced as an isolationist band of arrogant xenophobes who used theoretically noble claims of "protecting humanity from the abusive potential of technology" as an excuse to bully and steal all the tech they could in [[VideoGame/{{Fallout 1}} the first game]], a policy that had backfired on them by the second game. The third game introduced the Capital Wasteland Chapter, a banch branch of the Brotherhood that had explicitly broken away from the traditions and goals of their East Coast counterparts in order to serve as a power for good in the Capital Wasteland. They were so hugely popular that, despite the in-game characters explicitly saying they're a splinter-sect and not at all acting like the Brotherhood "should", newcomer fans were infuriated when the subsequent games showed more traditionalist sects, claiming that the New Vegas Chapter -- and especially the "restructured" Brotherhood from ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 4}}'' -- were completely antithetical to what the Brotherhood "should" be like.



* In the previous game, ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'', there's Yukari Takeba, whos [[TookALevelInJerkass actions]] in The Answer are seen by many fans as proof she was a horrible BitchInSheepsClothing all along. While its true her actions are meant to be viewed as wrong, the game makes it clear [[DespairEventHorizon she's irrational over the loss of someone extemely close to her]], and dealing with personal loss is a major theme of the game. When she eventually opens up to her friends about it, they're able to help her through it [[CharacterDevelopment and she comes out a better person.]] Her detractors ignore her epiphany and consider her a nothing more than a cruel, jealous AlphaBitch, and downplay her moments of niceness during the main story.
** Ironically, the same people who insist that Yukari was stupid and wrong for wanting to resurrect the Protagonist are the same ones clamouring for the Protagonist to be added to the roster of ''VideoGame/Persona4Arena'', despite said game existing within the canon universe of ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' and ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'' ... and thus demanding the exact same thing as Yukari did in The Answer.
** Then there's the drama surrounding the October 4th incident. In canon, [[spoiler: Shinjiro gives his life to save Ken, someone he ''knew'' hated him [[YouKilledmyFather after he accidentally caused the death of Ken's mother]], from Takaya. This is meant to be a poingent and touching HeroicSacrifice, and if the player is supposed to hate anyone for this, it's [[TheDragon Takaya.]]]] However, since Shinjiro is an EnsembleDarkhorse and Ken is TheScrappy, fans [[spoiler: hold Ken responsible for Shinjiro's death.]] Granted, Ken did call Shinjiro to [[spoiler:the spot where his mother was murdered with the intent of killing him]], but [[spoiler:not only did he not kill Shinjiro, he also deeply regretted desiring revenge]]. It got so bad that official spinoffs and adaptations had to undertake major damage control and go drastically out of their way to make Ken more sympathetic, but he'll still NeverLiveItDown.
* ''Franchise/DanganRonpa'''s fans often tend to believe that the Ultimates are gifted people, the best in their area and that for having talent, they are above the normal students. This goes counter to one of the main themes of the game, particularly [[VisualNovel/SuperDanganRonpa2 the second one]], that one's worth is not necessarily defined by talent or lack thereof. Some Free Time events show the various Ultimates connecting with Makoto Naegi ([[BornLucky the Ultimate Lucky Student]]) or Hajime Hinata ([[spoiler:who has no Ultimate talent at all]]) more easily than most of their Ultimate classmates, simply because those two are more normal, and it's noted that the Ultimates [[WhenAllYouHaveIsAHammer tend to fall back on their talents in desperate situations]] (most of the murders involve the culprits using their talent). Near the end of the second game, Hajime, [[spoiler:after learning that his [[IJustWantToBeSpecial desire for a talent]] led to him becoming Izuru Kamukura and essentially causing the events that led to the collapse of civilization]], realizes that self-confidence is most important of all, enabling him to save the day and [[spoiler:live on as Hajime, not Izuru]], an outcome he is happy with.
** The main character seeing the world in this light is Nagito Komaeda, who gets continuously crazier and crazier through the game and [[spoiler: plays a later part of the game as an antegonist, even trying to kill everybody in chapter 5]]. Outside of him, you have the very Hope's Peak Academy, which was responsible for [[spoiler: laying out the ground for Junko to cause The Tragedy. They treated the Reserve Students as useless cash cows, spent insane amount of money on the Main Course, of which the students were not even asked to participate the class, as long as they still had their talents, they covered up murders, genocides and bombings caused by students, who often got minimum punishment for it and created Izuru Kamukura, by injecting talents on a normal student until he became devoid of empathy for humans and was easily used by Junko as a killing machine.]]

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* In the previous game, ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'', there's Yukari Takeba, whos whose [[TookALevelInJerkass actions]] in The Answer are seen by many fans as proof she was a horrible BitchInSheepsClothing all along. While its true her actions are meant to be viewed as wrong, the game makes it clear [[DespairEventHorizon she's irrational over the loss of someone extemely extremely close to her]], and dealing with personal loss is a major theme of the game. When she eventually opens up to her friends about it, they're able to help her through it [[CharacterDevelopment and she comes out a better person.]] Her detractors ignore her epiphany and consider her a nothing more than a cruel, jealous AlphaBitch, and downplay her moments of niceness during the main story.
** Ironically, the same people who insist that Yukari was stupid and wrong for wanting to resurrect the Protagonist are the same ones clamouring clamoring for the Protagonist to be added to the roster of ''VideoGame/Persona4Arena'', despite said game existing within the canon universe of ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' and ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'' ... and thus demanding the exact same thing as Yukari did in The Answer.
** Then there's the drama surrounding the October 4th incident. In canon, [[spoiler: Shinjiro gives his life to save Ken, someone he ''knew'' hated him [[YouKilledmyFather after he accidentally caused the death of Ken's mother]], from Takaya. This is meant to be a poingent poignant and touching HeroicSacrifice, and if the player is supposed to hate anyone for this, it's [[TheDragon Takaya.]]]] However, since Shinjiro is an EnsembleDarkhorse and Ken is TheScrappy, fans [[spoiler: hold Ken responsible for Shinjiro's death.]] Granted, Ken did call Shinjiro to [[spoiler:the spot where his mother was murdered with the intent of killing him]], but [[spoiler:not only did he not kill Shinjiro, he also deeply regretted desiring revenge]]. It got so bad that official spinoffs and adaptations had to undertake major damage control and go drastically out of their way to make Ken more sympathetic, but he'll still NeverLiveItDown.
* ''Franchise/DanganRonpa'''s fans often tend to believe that the Ultimates are gifted people, the best in their area and that for having talent, they are above the normal students. This goes counter to one of the main themes of the game, particularly [[VisualNovel/SuperDanganRonpa2 the second one]], that one's worth is not necessarily defined by talent or lack thereof. Some Free Time events show the various Ultimates connecting with Makoto Naegi ([[BornLucky the Ultimate Lucky Student]]) or Hajime Hinata ([[spoiler:who has no Ultimate talent at all]]) more easily than most of their Ultimate classmates, simply because those two are more normal, and it's noted that the Ultimates [[WhenAllYouHaveIsAHammer tend to fall back on their talents in desperate situations]] (most of the murders involve the culprits using their talent). Near the end of the second game, Hajime, Hinata, [[spoiler:after learning that his [[IJustWantToBeSpecial desire for a talent]] led to him becoming Izuru Kamukura and essentially causing the events that led to the collapse of civilization]], realizes that self-confidence is most important of all, enabling him to save the day and [[spoiler:live on as Hajime, Hinata, not Izuru]], Kamukura]], an outcome he is happy with.
** The main character seeing the world in this light is Nagito Komaeda, who gets continuously crazier and crazier through the game and [[spoiler: plays a later part of the game as an antegonist, antagonist, even trying to kill everybody in chapter 5]]. Outside of him, you have the very Hope's Peak Academy, which was responsible for [[spoiler: laying out the ground for Junko to cause The Tragedy. They treated the Reserve Students as useless cash cows, spent insane amount of money on the Main Course, of which the students were not even asked to participate the class, as long as they still had their talents, they covered up murders, genocides and bombings caused by students, who often got minimum punishment for it and created Izuru Kamukura, by injecting talents on a normal student until he became devoid of empathy for humans and was easily used by Junko as a killing machine.]]
4th Mar '17 9:37:50 AM nombretomado
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* Several people have said that they'd rather play the ShallowParody of ''MarioKart'' used in [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPqRue51GZ8 the commercial]] for ''VideoGame/{{Blur}}'' rather then the actual game. Apparently the game helped sales for ''Mario Kart'' too.

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* Several people have said that they'd rather play the ShallowParody of ''MarioKart'' ''VideoGame/MarioKart'' used in [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPqRue51GZ8 the commercial]] for ''VideoGame/{{Blur}}'' rather then the actual game. Apparently the game helped sales for ''Mario Kart'' too.
9th Feb '17 1:56:40 AM MagBas
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** [[UnfortunateImplications This only gets worse]] when you analyze these fans's reasoning and see LOTS of gender roles-based bullshit and fetishization reflected in it. To them, apparently the only reason why a person of either gender would dress as someone from the opposite one is that he or she is trans, and the fact that they are not must have been "totally tacked on" because the writers are transphobes. In fewer words, by slapping the word "transsexual" on characters for crossdressing and/or liking things that society dictates as being proper of the opposite gender, '''[[{{Hypocrite}} these people are reinforcing the same gender stereotypes/roles they claim to hate]]'''. And critiques such as [[http://borderhouseblog.com/?p=6088 this one]] are, in many cases, coming from self-professed trans gamers, [[YouAreWhatYouHate which only makes things more disturbing]].
8th Feb '17 11:29:13 PM Anddrix
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** An inversion of this trope happens with Xion in ''358/2 days''. A lot of people hate her because of CommonMarySueTraits... when in actuality they are deconstructed even ''more'' horribly than the Franchise/TalesSeries does to many common tropes.

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** An inversion of this trope happens with Xion in ''358/2 days''. A lot of people hate her because of CommonMarySueTraits...her Mary Sue traits... when in actuality they are deconstructed even ''more'' horribly than the Franchise/TalesSeries does to many common tropes.
7th Feb '17 5:30:46 PM WolfThunder
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** The below mentioned "crossdresser or trans*?" debate came to the game with the appearance of Prince Forrest, a WholesomeCrossdresser and ActionFashionista who explicitely says he's a guy despite his girlish tastes in clothing '''and''' openly states that he's uncomfortable whenever he's mistaken as a girl. [[http://dlartistanon.tumblr.com/post/142825383263/more-hey-can-we-not-do-this-forrest-makes-it A part of the fandom]], [[http://electricprincess96.tumblr.com/post/142730976381/okay-so-as-a-non-binary-trans-person-the-forrest however]], [[https://herskyofdiamonds.tumblr.com/post/142366203100/foleo-i-know-i-look-like-a-girl-but-i-am-a-boy insists that Forrest is a trans girl]], [[http://judar.god.jp/post/142604290071/stop-calling-foleo-forrest-a-girl despite evidence to]] [[http://boyonetta.tumblr.com/post/144070357539/please-dont-misgender-forrest-shes-a-girl the contrary.]]

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** The below mentioned "crossdresser or trans*?" trans?" debate came to the game with the appearance of Prince Forrest, a WholesomeCrossdresser and ActionFashionista who explicitely says he's a guy despite his girlish tastes in clothing '''and''' openly states that he's uncomfortable whenever he's mistaken as a girl. [[http://dlartistanon.tumblr.com/post/142825383263/more-hey-can-we-not-do-this-forrest-makes-it A part of the fandom]], [[http://electricprincess96.tumblr.com/post/142730976381/okay-so-as-a-non-binary-trans-person-the-forrest however]], [[https://herskyofdiamonds.tumblr.com/post/142366203100/foleo-i-know-i-look-like-a-girl-but-i-am-a-boy insists that Forrest is a trans girl]], [[http://judar.god.jp/post/142604290071/stop-calling-foleo-forrest-a-girl despite evidence to]] [[http://boyonetta.tumblr.com/post/144070357539/please-dont-misgender-forrest-shes-a-girl the contrary.]]



** [[UnfortunateImplications It gets more disturbing]] when you analyze these fans's reasoning and see LOTS of gender roles-based bullshit and fetishization reflected in it. To them, apparently the only reason why a person of either gender would dress as someone from the opposite one is that he or she is trans*, and the fact that they are not must have been "totally tacked on" because the writers are transphobes. In few words, by slapping the word "transsexual" on characters for crossdressing and/or liking things that society dictates as being proper of the opposite gender... '''these people are reinforcing the same gender stereotypes/roles they claim to hate'''. And critiques such as [[http://borderhouseblog.com/?p=6088 this one]] are, in many cases, coming from self-professed trans* gamers, which only makes things more disturbing.

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** [[UnfortunateImplications It This only gets more disturbing]] worse]] when you analyze these fans's reasoning and see LOTS of gender roles-based bullshit and fetishization reflected in it. To them, apparently the only reason why a person of either gender would dress as someone from the opposite one is that he or she is trans*, trans, and the fact that they are not must have been "totally tacked on" because the writers are transphobes. In few fewer words, by slapping the word "transsexual" on characters for crossdressing and/or liking things that society dictates as being proper of the opposite gender... '''these gender, '''[[{{Hypocrite}} these people are reinforcing the same gender stereotypes/roles they claim to hate'''.hate]]'''. And critiques such as [[http://borderhouseblog.com/?p=6088 this one]] are, in many cases, coming from self-professed trans* trans gamers, [[YouAreWhatYouHate which only makes things more disturbing.disturbing]].
29th Jan '17 1:57:22 AM Monsund
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* Dear ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' fandom: We are ''not'' supposed to sympathize with "Mad King" Gangrel's actions. This is hammered '''repeatedly''' through the game, [[spoiler:'''even by Gangrel himself after his HeelFaceTurn'''.]] And yet many Gangrel fans are quick to accuse the Ylisseans of hating '''all''' Plegians and being a bunch of HolierThanThou bastards... nevermind that two of the heroic characters [[spoiler: (three, counting the Avatar - four or even maybe '''five''', counting HFT!Gangrel and HFT!Aversa, not to mention their possible children)]] are Plegians and ''still'' manage to get along with the Ylisseans just fine.
** Probably the biggest reason is because he outright states later on that [[spoiler:he knew Walhart was planning to invade the continent and that he was trying to unite the continent to fight back]] under any means necessary. [[WhatAnIdiot Unfortunately]], this translated into doing anything he could to get the Fire Emblem, when he could of accomplished the task more easily by diplomacy [[PoorCommunicationKills had he simply explained the situation]], which would've led to TeethClenchedTeamwork that, while unpleasant, would've gotten the job done.
** [[spoiler: Walhart]] himself could also fall under this; he wanted to conquer the entire planet, [[spoiler:because he believed the only way to prevent war (including the war with [[BiggerBad Grima]]) was to rule by superior military might]]. But no, just like Gangrel, instead of simply explaining his reasoning, seeking allies, and focusing on real threats, he divided the continent with war... And their fans don't see their flaws.

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* Dear ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' fandom: We are ''not'' supposed to sympathize with It's "Mad King" Gangrel's actions. is simply after WarForFunAndProfit, and doesn't have any noble motives by the game's beginning. This is hammered '''repeatedly''' through the game, [[spoiler:'''even by Gangrel himself after his HeelFaceTurn'''.]] HeelFaceTurn''' who says he lost sight of his original goal of uniting the continent against Valm after taking power]]. And yet many Gangrel fans are quick to accuse the Ylisseans of hating '''all''' Plegians and being a bunch of HolierThanThou bastards... nevermind that two of the heroic characters [[spoiler: (three, counting the Avatar - four or even maybe '''five''', counting HFT!Gangrel and HFT!Aversa, not to mention their possible children)]] are Plegians and ''still'' manage to get along with the Ylisseans just fine.
** Probably the biggest reason is because he outright states later on that [[spoiler:he knew Walhart was planning to invade the continent and that
say he was trying to unite a WellIntentionedExtremist out for justice against Plegia. This is despite the continent to fight back]] under any means necessary. [[WhatAnIdiot Unfortunately]], this translated into doing anything he could to get game showing Gangrel oppressing Plegians, his backstory making it clear the Fire Emblem, when he could of accomplished the task more easily by diplomacy [[PoorCommunicationKills had he simply explained the situation]], which would've led to TeethClenchedTeamwork that, while unpleasant, would've gotten the job done.
** [[spoiler: Walhart]] himself could also fall under this;
Ylisse/Grimleal war didn't effect him, and his MotiveRant revealing he wanted to conquer the entire planet, [[spoiler:because he believed the only way to prevent war (including the war with [[BiggerBad Grima]]) was to rule by superior military might]]. But no, just like Gangrel, instead of simply explaining revenge on Plegia for his reasoning, seeking allies, and focusing on real threats, he divided the continent with war... And their fans don't see their flaws.bad childhood.
15th Jan '17 3:16:19 PM WanderingBrowser
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* After the release of ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'', the Enclave went from being the most generally hated faction in the wasteland, as they were in ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 2}}'', to having a ''huge'' fandom, who [[RootingForTheEmpire consider them the best bet to lead the Capital Wasteland out of the darkness]]. This is partially explainable by the fact that Fallout 3 doesn't directly reference their origins as the insane and inbred descendants of the corrupt military and governmental elites who caused the great war, and tones down their genocidal inclinations from "standard operating procedure" to "providence of the somewhat crazed AI that's supposedly running the show". But, even then, the Enclave are still a bunch of brutal would-be tyrants and warlords who want to rule everything with an iron fist. It's just that the portrayal of the Capital Wasteland as, well, a wasteland full of raiders and super mutants makes some fans argue that their dominance would be a step ''up''.
** Not helping is that, in the subsequent game, you can find some [[TokenHeroicOrc non-evil survivors of the Enclave]] who will actively work for you if you desire, providing the best suit of power armor in the game and some of the most lethal combat assets, which only makes them seem more sympathetic and admirable to some players.

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* After the release of ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'', the Enclave went from being the most generally hated faction in the wasteland, as they were in ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 2}}'', to having a ''huge'' fandom, who [[RootingForTheEmpire consider them the best bet to lead the Capital Wasteland out of the darkness]]. This is partially explainable by the fact that Fallout 3 doesn't directly reference their origins as the insane and inbred descendants of the corrupt military and governmental elites who caused the great war, and tones down their genocidal inclinations from "standard operating procedure" to "providence of the somewhat crazed AI that's supposedly running the show". But, even then, the Enclave are still a bunch of brutal would-be tyrants and warlords who want to rule everything with an iron fist. It's just that the portrayal of the Capital Wasteland as, well, a wasteland full of raiders and super mutants makes some fans argue that their dominance would be a step ''up''.
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''up''. Not helping is that, in [[VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas the subsequent game, game]], you can find some [[TokenHeroicOrc non-evil survivors of the Enclave]] who will actively work for you if you desire, providing the best suit of power armor in the game and some of the most lethal combat assets, which only makes them seem more sympathetic and admirable to some players.players.
** Another misaimed fandom that springs from this game is for the Brotherhood of Steel. Introduced as an isolationist band of arrogant xenophobes who used theoretically noble claims of "protecting humanity from the abusive potential of technology" as an excuse to bully and steal all the tech they could in [[VideoGame/{{Fallout 1}} the first game]], a policy that had backfired on them by the second game. The third game introduced the Capital Wasteland Chapter, a banch of the Brotherhood that had explicitly broken away from the traditions and goals of their East Coast counterparts in order to serve as a power for good in the Capital Wasteland. They were so hugely popular that, despite the in-game characters explicitly saying they're a splinter-sect and not at all acting like the Brotherhood "should", newcomer fans were infuriated when the subsequent games showed more traditionalist sects, claiming that the New Vegas Chapter -- and especially the "restructured" Brotherhood from ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 4}}'' -- were completely antithetical to what the Brotherhood "should" be like.
12th Jan '17 10:28:47 PM WanderingBrowser
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** Also, a lot of the same people gave us [[VideoGame/TheSims the Goth Family]].

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** Also, a lot of the same people gave us [[VideoGame/TheSims the Goth Family]].Family]].
* Although many of the Variants in ''VideoGame/{{Outlast}}'' have fans despite being disfigured psychopaths, the most stunning example of this in the Outlast fandom is that for Eddie Gluskin. Established in the game as criminally insane before the [[MindRape Morphogenic Engine experiments]], Gluskin is an unrepentant (to the point of [[IRejectYourReality refusing to accept the deaths of his victims even when presented with photographic evidence]]) SerialKiller who was responsible for the brutal murder and dismemberment of a number of innocent women before being caught, having butchered them after choosing them to become his "brides" only to be rejected. Further unhinged by the procedures he underwent, Gluskin's psychosis leads to him fixating on the idea that he can "make" a perfect bride from one of the men caught in the asylum with him, which leads to him trying to [[GroinAttack brutally castrate]] anyone he catches in hopes of then using the resultant wound as a vagina to start a family with. A huge fandom absolutely ''loves him'', taking his FauxAffablyEvil presentation of being a romantic, 50s-esque family man (ignoring how that's a thin veneer over a psychotic PoliticallyIncorrectVillain) and playing it absolutely straight, to the point of shipping him with the ''Whistleblower'' protagonist, a HappilyMarried straight man with two sons whom Eddie attempts to castrate with a table-saw and then tries to stab and hang for escaping. All because Eddie is [[DracoInLeatherPants handsome(ish) and feigns being romantic]], and because he has a DarkAndTroubledPast involving [[AbusiveParents being raped by his father & uncle as a child]]. This particular Misaimed Fandom is so vocal that it [[BrokenBase absolutely incenses those who don't buy into it]], especially since the game itself never portrays Eddie as being in the slightest sympathetic or anything other than a deranged murderer.
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