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25th Jun '16 4:20:49 PM Allronix
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* Canderous Ordo and the Mandalorians from ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'' are frequently beloved by fans for their [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy warrior race]] culture and mentality... overlooking the fact that Canderous speaks casually and candidly of wrecking whole worlds during the Mandalorian Wars, and that the reason Revan took up his famous mask was due to the [[spoiler: Mandalorians' xenocide of the Cathar.]]

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* Canderous Ordo and the Mandalorians from ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'' are frequently beloved by fans for their [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy warrior race]] culture and mentality... overlooking the fact that Canderous speaks casually and candidly of wrecking whole worlds during the Mandalorian Wars, and that the reason Revan took up his famous mask was due to the [[spoiler: Mandalorians' xenocide of the Cathar.]]]] [[note]] You find much of the fandom for Mandalorians coming from Star Wars fans who view the Republic and Empire as StupidGood and StupidEvil. Top it off with Chris Avellone's analysis in the second game that the factions are proxies for a group of overpowered wizards dragging everyone into their ceaseless religious war. Karen Traviss had this view of Star Wars and tried with varying degrees of success as presenting the ''Mando'ade'' as TakeAThirdOption, a group of [[MugglePower non-Force Sensitives]] who were capable of going toe to toe with Jedi or Sith, and who weren't beholden to either. Oh, and Boba Fett sure helped. [[/note]]
22nd Jun '16 1:25:54 AM NNinja
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** Godot in the third game gets a lot of dislike for his blaming of Phoenix for Mia's death, with many citing how incredibly faulty his logic is. The thing is, that's the point. It's ''intentionally'' meant to be irrational, stupid and delusional and even Godot himself admits this later on. [[spoiler: He was so distraught over Mia's death while he was in a coma]] that he desparately looked for someone, ''anyone'', to blame for it. The whole thing was a coping mechanism born out of his depression. (Other aspects of his character are legitimately YMMV, but this one was intentional)
21st Jun '16 2:42:34 AM Melancholeric
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** Given that in the Witcher books many elves supported Nilfgard's invasion and the emperor gave the elves Dol Blathanna as a reward it's possible that siding with the elves may assist Nilfgard's invasion of the north in Witcher 3.
17th Jun '16 9:16:53 PM BigKlingy
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** The people who complain about[[FailureIsTheOnlyOption fact you're forced to make Phoenix present the diary page in the flashback trial despite the player knowing full well it's the forged evidence that gets him disbarred]], miss the point that "unfair" and "gut wrenching" is exactly how it's meant to feel. The past is the past, and Phoenix's entire stance in the game is that "what's done was done" and what happened happened. You can't just change what happened to Phoenix through the comfort of the fourth wall - Even you, the player are powerless to prevent the inevitable, despite how unfair not being able to just by-step it is.

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** The people who complain about[[FailureIsTheOnlyOption about the [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption fact you're forced to make Phoenix present the diary page in the flashback trial despite the player knowing full well it's the forged evidence that gets him disbarred]], miss the point that "unfair" and "gut wrenching" is exactly how it's meant to feel. The past is the past, and Phoenix's entire stance in the game is that "what's done was done" and what happened happened. You can't just change what happened to Phoenix through the comfort of the fourth wall - Even you, the player are powerless to prevent the inevitable, despite how unfair not being able to just by-step it is.
** Godot in the third game gets a lot of dislike for his blaming of Phoenix for Mia's death, with many citing how incredibly faulty his logic is. The thing is, that's the point. It's ''intentionally'' meant to be irrational, stupid and delusional and even Godot himself admits this later on. [[spoiler: He was so distraught over Mia's death while he was in a coma]] that he desparately looked for someone, ''anyone'', to blame for it. The whole thing was a coping mechanism born out of his depression. (Other aspects of his character are legitimately YMMV, but this one was intentional)
** An example from early in the days of [[VideoGame/AceAttorneyInvestigations Investigations 2]]. Due to it not being released official in Engish, fans only had vague details about the plot and characters to go on. Many latched on to Manosuke Naito and Souta Sarushiro (Horace Knightley and Simon Keyes in the fan translation)'s ChildhoodFriend aspect and treated it as a PetTheDog moment, even HoYay shipping them. In actual fact, their relationship is nowhere ''near'' as healthy as fans thought... [[spoiler: Firstly, Knightley is a completley unrepentant {{Jerkass}} with very few redeeming qualities. Secontly, all that "heartwarming" stuff Simon says about their friendship in Case 2? Entirely lies. Simon actually ''despised'' him the whole time, and had been ''plotting to kill him for years'' due to mistakedly thinking he was an accomplice in his father's murder. While he wasn't (it was actually Simon's dad who killed Knightley's dad, not the other way around), he still helped kidnap Simon when they were both children, resulting in them being trapped in a car in a snowstorm and almost freezing to death. Simon [[BatmanGambit sets up Knightley to die in Case 2]], but what really seals it though is that when Edgeworth finally reveals the truth to him and that he had Knightley killed for no reason... [[TheSociopath Simon doesn't seem to care much, if at all.]]]] Once translations became more widespread and the fan translation patch came out, the MisaimedFandom subsided.
17th Jun '16 8:01:35 PM BigKlingy
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** Kanji is often touted as proof that Japan is perfectly accepting of homosexuality, as well as some obscure Yaoi game or the presence of the YaoiFangirl trope. Except that many instances of yaoi is seen as niche at best in Japan - and Japan is actually not nearly as LGBT-friendly as many people believe it to be.
* In the previous game, ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'', there's Yukari Takeba, whos [[TookALevelInJerkass actions]] in The Answer are seen by many fans as proof she was a horrible BitchInSheepsClothing all along. While its true her actions aren't meant to be sympathised with, the game makes it clear [[DespairEventGorizon she's irrational over the loss of someone extemely close to her]], and dealing with personal loss is a major theme of the game. When she eventually opens up to her friends about it, they're able to help her through it [[CharacterDevelopment and she comes out a better person.]] Her detractors ignore her epiphany and consider her a nothing more than a cruel, jealous AlphaBitch, and downplay her moments of niceness during the main story.

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** Kanji is often touted as proof that Japan is perfectly accepting of homosexuality, as well as some obscure Yaoi game or the presence of the YaoiFangirl trope. Except that many instances of yaoi is seen as niche at best in Japan Japan, the genre itself is aimed at straight people - and Japan is actually not nearly as LGBT-friendly as many people believe it to be.be. In fact a lot of Kanji's issues stem from how Japanese society rejects him for being AmbiguouslyGay.
* In the previous game, ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'', there's Yukari Takeba, whos [[TookALevelInJerkass actions]] in The Answer are seen by many fans as proof she was a horrible BitchInSheepsClothing all along. While its true her actions aren't meant to be sympathised with, the game makes it clear [[DespairEventGorizon [[DespairEventHorizon she's irrational over the loss of someone extemely close to her]], and dealing with personal loss is a major theme of the game. When she eventually opens up to her friends about it, they're able to help her through it [[CharacterDevelopment and she comes out a better person.]] Her detractors ignore her epiphany and consider her a nothing more than a cruel, jealous AlphaBitch, and downplay her moments of niceness during the main story.
14th Jun '16 7:23:36 PM Rebu
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* ''VideoGame/ModernWarfare 2'' has a few different categories of this, the most obvious being a large part of the player-base that at best [[DoNotDoThisCoolThing doesn't notice the series has an anti-war message]] and at worst takes a ''positive'' view of war because of it. The worst are, by far, the players who ''[[spoiler:root for General Shepherd.]]'' It's largely because the game's finale involves him both kicking ass in a crazy action-scene, as well as being where he [[MotiveRant explains his motivation and ultimate goal,]] both of which are easy to sympathize with. They are ''not,'' however, justification for [[spoiler:a senior officer ''killing his own men in cold blood'' so that they won't discover he's ''manipulated another country to invade the United States,'' specifically with the goal of killing as many civilians as possible.]]

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* ''VideoGame/ModernWarfare 2'' has a few different categories of this, the most obvious being a large part of the player-base (and critics, for that matter) that at best [[DoNotDoThisCoolThing doesn't notice the series has an anti-war message]] and at worst takes a ''positive'' view of war because of it. The worst are, by far, the players who ''[[spoiler:root for General Shepherd.]]'' It's largely because the game's finale involves him both kicking ass in a crazy action-scene, as well as being where he [[MotiveRant explains his motivation and ultimate goal,]] both of which are easy to sympathize with. They are ''not,'' however, justification for [[spoiler:a senior officer ''killing his own men in cold blood'' so that they won't discover he's ''manipulated another country to invade the United States,'' specifically with the goal of killing as many civilians as possible.]]
13th Jun '16 8:30:25 PM SAMAS
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** And now with an in-universe example, revealed in ''Lair of the Shadow Broker''. There exists a vid called ''Saren: A Hero Betrayed'', which glorifies the turian Spectre who has not only been eagerly painted as the mastermind behind the geth attack on the Citadel, but is noted repeatedly to have been almost psychotically callous and ruthless even before he was indoctrinated by Sovereign. Anderson's response was to [[INeedAFreakingDrink get drunk to blot out the memories of seeing it]].

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** And now with an in-universe example, revealed in ''Lair of the Shadow Broker''. There exists a vid called ''Saren: A Hero Betrayed'', which glorifies the turian Spectre who has not only been eagerly painted as the mastermind behind the geth attack on the Citadel, but is noted repeatedly to have been almost psychotically callous and ruthless even before he was indoctrinated by Sovereign. Anderson's Anderson's[[note]]In case you forgot, Saren set Anderson up to deny his chance at being the first Human Spectre[[/note]] response was to [[INeedAFreakingDrink get drunk to blot out the memories of seeing it]].
10th Jun '16 7:06:37 PM KiraDoom
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** As mentioned on the MisaimedFanodom/AnimeAndManga page, there's the ever-lasting debate between Red (the protagonist of first set of games), and Ash Ketchum (the anime's main protagonist). Generally, people side with Red, because he's cooler and smarter than the [[TooDumbToLive dumb-as-a-rock Ash]]. There's a few problems with this, though; first off, Ash has done a lot of things that Red has not, a lot of which are impressive in their own right. Second, Red and Ash are pretty much the same guy, with Ash being Red if Red had [[VanillaProtagonist an actual personality]]. For that matter, there's the final flaw in the argument: with Red being the player's character, ''of course'' he can be more awesome than Ash, '''you can do whatever you want with him'''. [[FridgeBrilliance Guess some of those fans are purposefully seeing him as]] WishFulfillment?... Regardless, Red fans see Red as perfect, completely ignoring that Ash isn't bad and straight-up rejecting these facts.



* ''VideoGame/GoldenSun'' gives us the WhamLine that Saturos and Menardi from the first game [[spoiler: were actually [[AntiVillain doing what was right]] for their hometown and the world]], and that they were right. While indeed, the cast of the first game [[spoiler: actually take over their footsteps in going to light the rest of the lighthouses]], it's very hard to blame them for thinking that Saturos and Menardi were pure evil and wanted to unseal alchemy for their own selfish purposes. Saturos and Menardi [[HeKnowsTooMuch beat up Isaac and Garet when they were fourteen for simply overhearing them]], regularly beat up people who got in their way, engaged in kidnapping, and attempted to kill them ''multiple'' times. PoorCommunicationKills, yes - given the information that Isaac and Garet (As well as the players!) were given in the first game, it's hard to blame the first four for thinking Saturos and Menardi were evil.

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* ''VideoGame/GoldenSun'' gives us the WhamLine that Saturos and Menardi from the first game [[spoiler: were actually [[AntiVillain doing what was right]] for their hometown and the world]], and that they were right. While indeed, the cast of the first game [[spoiler: actually take over their footsteps in going to light the rest of the lighthouses]], it's very hard to blame them for thinking that Saturos and Menardi were pure evil and wanted to unseal alchemy for their own selfish purposes. Saturos and Menardi [[HeKnowsTooMuch beat up Isaac and Garet when they were fourteen for simply overhearing them]], regularly beat up people who got in their way, engaged in kidnapping, and attempted to kill them ''multiple'' times. PoorCommunicationKills, yes - given the information that Isaac and Garet (As well as the players!) were given in the first game, it's hard to blame the first four for thinking Saturos and Menardi were evil.evil.
* While [[{{Goth}} Goth Boy]] for the ''VideoGame/MySims'' series has [[EnsembleDarkhorse many fans]], a few fans believe the creators [[CriticalResearchFailure got the goth subculture wrong]]. Except, if anything, Goth Boy is supposed to be an AffectionateParody. The game has many Spooky Sims, each having their own unique personalities, so saying they got it wrong with just one character isn't fair. Plus the subculture is pretty chill and doesn't have too many requirements, [[AccidentallyAccurate so the games actually got it]] ''[[AccidentallyAccurate right]]''.
** Also, a lot of the same people gave us [[VideoGame/TheSims the Goth Family]].
3rd Jun '16 1:14:46 PM GlitteringFlowers
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** This "debate" returned in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'' with the appearance of Prince Forrest, a WholesomeCrossdresser and ActionFashionista who explicitely says he's a guy despite his girlish tastes in clothing '''and''' openly states that he's uncomfortable whenever he's mistaken as a girl. [[http://dlartistanon.tumblr.com/post/142825383263/more-hey-can-we-not-do-this-forrest-makes-it A part of the fandom]], [[http://electricprincess96.tumblr.com/post/142730976381/okay-so-as-a-non-binary-trans-person-the-forrest however]], [[https://herskyofdiamonds.tumblr.com/post/142366203100/foleo-i-know-i-look-like-a-girl-but-i-am-a-boy insists that Forrest is a trans girl]], [[http://wapourif.tumblr.com/post/142604290071 despite evidence to the contrary.]]

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** This "debate" returned in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'' with the appearance of Prince Forrest, a WholesomeCrossdresser and ActionFashionista who explicitely says he's a guy despite his girlish tastes in clothing '''and''' openly states that he's uncomfortable whenever he's mistaken as a girl. [[http://dlartistanon.tumblr.com/post/142825383263/more-hey-can-we-not-do-this-forrest-makes-it A part of the fandom]], [[http://electricprincess96.tumblr.com/post/142730976381/okay-so-as-a-non-binary-trans-person-the-forrest however]], [[https://herskyofdiamonds.tumblr.com/post/142366203100/foleo-i-know-i-look-like-a-girl-but-i-am-a-boy insists that Forrest is a trans girl]], [[http://wapourif.tumblr.com/post/142604290071 despite evidence to to]] [[http://boyonetta.tumblr.com/post/144070357539/please-dont-misgender-forrest-shes-a-girl the contrary.]]
2nd Jun '16 9:36:45 AM GlitteringFlowers
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** A lot of fans see Tharja's {{Yandere}} attitute towards [[PlayerCharacter the Avatar]] as FetishFuel and it's a major reason why she's so popular. WordOfGod (that was unfortunately [[NoExportForYou never officially translated]]) states that her {{Yandere}} traits were meant to be ''unsettling'', and that choosing ''the player'' as the target of her StalkerWithACrush tendancies was specifically done to make them ''even more usettling''. Her ending up as an abusive mother to her daughter Noire was most likely intended as a PlayerPunch for players who didn't realise this, as well as a {{Deconstruction}} of what marrying a {{Yandere}} might eventually lead to. And yet there are a ton of fans who see the Avatar, Tharja and their children as a perfect happy family, despite Noire herself calling her mother out on her behavior. There's no denying she ''does'' have a HiddenHeartOfGold, but that still doesn't mean her negative traits were meant to be appealing.

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** A lot of fans see Tharja's {{Yandere}} attitute towards [[PlayerCharacter the Avatar]] as FetishFuel and it's a major reason why she's so popular. WordOfGod (that was unfortunately [[NoExportForYou never officially translated]]) states that her {{Yandere}} traits were meant to be ''unsettling'', and that choosing ''the player'' as the target of her StalkerWithACrush tendancies was specifically done to make them ''even more usettling''. Her ending up as an abusive mother to her daughter Noire [[spoiler: in the BadFuture]] was most likely intended as a PlayerPunch for players who didn't realise this, as well as a {{Deconstruction}} of what marrying a {{Yandere}} might eventually lead to. And yet there are a ton of fans who see the Avatar, Tharja and their children as a perfect happy family, despite Noire herself calling her mother out on her behavior.behavior and Tharja herself realizing that this isn't the way to go. There's no denying she ''does'' have a HiddenHeartOfGold, but that still doesn't mean her negative traits were meant to be appealing.



** This "debate" returned in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'' with the appearance of Prince Forrest, a WholesomeCrossdresser and ActionFashionista who explicitely says he's a guy despite his girlish tastes in clothing '''and''' openly states that he's uncomfortable whenever he's mistaken as a girl. [[http://dlartistanon.tumblr.com/post/142825383263/more-hey-can-we-not-do-this-forrest-makes-it A part of the fandom]], [[http://electricprincess96.tumblr.com/post/142730976381/okay-so-as-a-non-binary-trans-person-the-forrest however]], [[https://herskyofdiamonds.tumblr.com/post/142366203100/foleo-i-know-i-look-like-a-girl-but-i-am-a-boy insists that Forrest is a trans girl]], [[http://wapourif.tumblr.com/post/142604290071 despite evidence to the contrary.]]



* In the previous game, ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'', we have Yukari Takeba, whos [[TookALevelInJerkass actions]] in The Answer are seen by many fans as proof she was a horrible BitchInSheepsClothing all along. While its true her actions aren't meant to be sympathised with, the game makes it clear she's irrational over the loss of someone extemely close to her, and dealing with personal loss is a major theme of the game. When she eventually opens up to her friends about it, they're able to help her through it and she comes out a better person. Her detractors ignore her epiphany and consider her a nothing more than a cruel, jealous AlphaBitch, and downplay her moments of niceness during the main story.

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* In the previous game, ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'', we have there's Yukari Takeba, whos [[TookALevelInJerkass actions]] in The Answer are seen by many fans as proof she was a horrible BitchInSheepsClothing all along. While its true her actions aren't meant to be sympathised with, the game makes it clear [[DespairEventGorizon she's irrational over the loss of someone extemely close to her, her]], and dealing with personal loss is a major theme of the game. When she eventually opens up to her friends about it, they're able to help her through it [[CharacterDevelopment and she comes out a better person. person.]] Her detractors ignore her epiphany and consider her a nothing more than a cruel, jealous AlphaBitch, and downplay her moments of niceness during the main story.



** Then there's the drama surrounding the October 4th incident. In canon, [[spoiler: Shinjiro gives his life to save Ken, someone he ''knew'' hated him, from Takaya. This is meant to be a poingent and touching HeroicSacrifice, and if the player is supposed to hate anyone for this, it's [[TheDragon Takaya.]]]] However, since Shinjiro is an EnsembleDarkhorse and Ken is TheScrappy, fans [[spoiler: hold Ken responsible for Shinjiro's death.]] It got so bad that official spinoffs and adaptations had to undertake major damage control and go drastically out of their way to make Ken more sympathetic, but he'll still NeverLiveItDown.

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** Then there's the drama surrounding the October 4th incident. In canon, [[spoiler: Shinjiro gives his life to save Ken, someone he ''knew'' hated him, him [[YouKilledmyFather after he accidentally caused the death of Ken's mother]], from Takaya. This is meant to be a poingent and touching HeroicSacrifice, and if the player is supposed to hate anyone for this, it's [[TheDragon Takaya.]]]] However, since Shinjiro is an EnsembleDarkhorse and Ken is TheScrappy, fans [[spoiler: hold Ken responsible for Shinjiro's death.]] It got so bad that official spinoffs and adaptations had to undertake major damage control and go drastically out of their way to make Ken more sympathetic, but he'll still NeverLiveItDown.
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