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21st Jun '17 5:39:03 AM Doug86
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* ''ComicBook/{{Batman}}'' in general isn't necessarily immune to this. Mark Waid's Justice League story ''Tower of Babel'' was designed to criticize the character's prep time paranoia tendencies by [[spoiler:showing that he'd secretly been thinking up ways to kill or incapacitate his Justice League allies for years, only to have them fall into the wrong hands, thus placing the entire world in jeopardy]], but unfortunately all some fans came away with was "BATMAN'S THE SMARTEST, MOST BAD ASS HERO EVER!!!"
** The emergence of comics like ComicBook/{{Irredeemable}}, with its BewareTheSuperman concept, also tends to put Batman in a better light in this storyline, given just how dangerous a lot of heroes could be if they really wanted to be.

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* ''ComicBook/{{Batman}}'' ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'' in general isn't necessarily immune to this. Mark Waid's Justice League story ''Tower of Babel'' was designed to criticize the character's prep time paranoia tendencies by [[spoiler:showing that he'd secretly been thinking up ways to kill or incapacitate his Justice League allies for years, only to have them fall into the wrong hands, thus placing the entire world in jeopardy]], but unfortunately all some fans came away with was "BATMAN'S THE SMARTEST, MOST BAD ASS HERO EVER!!!"
EVER!!!"
** The emergence of comics like ComicBook/{{Irredeemable}}, ''ComicBook/{{Irredeemable}}'', with its BewareTheSuperman concept, also tends to put Batman in a better light in this storyline, given just how dangerous a lot of heroes could be if they really wanted to be.
19th Jun '17 6:36:41 AM system
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19th Jun '17 4:11:09 AM DeathToTVTropes
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** Furthermore, [[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bf/Dykes_to_Watch_Out_For_%28Bechdel_test_origin%29.jpg the original comic]] (which appeared in a collection called ''Dykes to Watch Out For'' and was described by the author as "a little lesbian joke") was more about compulsory heterosexuality in media - obviously, it's next to impossible to find a movie that depicts a romantic relationship between women if there's barely any movies that depict them in ''platonic'' relationships. That most people don't know this ''really'' speaks about the degree of mis-aiming that's occurred.

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** Furthermore, [[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bf/Dykes_to_Watch_Out_For_%28Bechdel_test_origin%29.jpg the original comic]] (which appeared in was part of a collection comic strip called ''Dykes to Watch Out For'' and was described by the author as "a little lesbian joke") was more about compulsory heterosexuality in media - obviously, it's next to impossible to find a movie that depicts a romantic relationship between women if there's barely any movies that depict them in ''platonic'' relationships. That most people don't know this ''really'' speaks about the degree of mis-aiming that's occurred.
19th Jun '17 4:08:17 AM DeathToTVTropes
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* This happens with a lot of "satire" characters where the author "exaggerates" them just by taking all the elements that people seem to like in other shows and lumping them together without actually exaggerating anything. We've seen this in reverse with films like ''Film/SuckerPunch'', intended to "parody" exploitation literature but garnering reactions as if they were genuine because, well, the creators forgot the part where they make the thing they're parodying more ridiculous or extreme than the source material.

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* This happens with a lot of "satire" characters where the author "exaggerates" them just by taking all the elements that people seem to like in other shows and lumping them together without actually exaggerating anything. We've seen this in reverse with films like ''Film/SuckerPunch'', intended to "parody" exploitation literature but garnering reactions as if they were genuine because, well, the creators forgot the part where they make the thing they're parodying more ridiculous or extreme than the source material.
19th Jun '17 4:04:35 AM DeathToTVTropes
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** A lot of the unintended heroism of the character stems from the writers not really understanding their own context. A murdering vigilante in real life is unambiguously a bad thing, but in a world where even the heroes rack up body counts in the dozens or hundreds per year, the villains are worse, and the only punishment you get for burning a hundred people to death is a month of brooding from Batman and six weeks in a revolving-door prison, being the one guy at least attempting to solve problems permanently gives you a lot more social utility than murdering criminals would in the real world.
19th Jun '17 4:03:19 AM DeathToTVTropes
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* In the infamous ''ComicBook/ChickTracts'', readers are ''supposed'' to agree with everything the protagonists say, but there is a significant "fandom" that finds the over-the-top nature [[{{Narm}} unintentionally hilarious]]. In addition, on first reading them, many people assume that they are intended as a parody. [[PoesLaw They are serious.]] The sheer number of times he has [[StrawCharacter Straw Secularists/Liberals]] (especially in schools), such as the dystopia in "Last Generation" which has the security and language of [[Literature/NineteenEightyFour Oceania]], the religious politics of ''Literature/LeftBehind'', and the social politics of Straw Liberal states, with a touch of "concentration camps" for parents who discipline their children -- it makes it difficult for one to accept them as serious arguments unless one realizes that [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps there are more extreme people out there]].
12th Jun '17 3:09:01 PM MsDevin92
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** Furthermore, [[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bf/Dykes_to_Watch_Out_For_%28Bechdel_test_origin%29.jpg the original comic]] (which appeared in a collection called ''Dykes to Watch Out For'' and was described by the author as "a little lesbian joke") was more about compulsory heterosexuality in media - obviously, it's next to impossible to find a movie that depicts a romantic relationship between women if there's barely any movies that depict them in ''platonic'' relationships. That most people don't know this ''really'' speaks about the degree of mis-aiming that's occurred.
28th Apr '17 1:21:46 PM PhantomRider
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**It's really a problem of the lesson itself being flawed. Every hero ''ever'' has been {{brainwashed}} at least once. (Also, for every hero, there's villains with the same power set, there's clones and alternate versions, etc.) They've ''all'' at least once been very happy for their supporting casts being able to figure out how to stop them or someone ''like'' them. Batman ''has Superman's blessing'' to keep some Kryptonite. The idea that suddenly, having an idea of what you'd do if Spellbinder looked one of the League in the eye for two seconds makes you a borderline villain was ''never'' going to fly.
15th Apr '17 8:30:46 PM MikeW
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* An in-universe example from ComicBook/ExMachina. An artist is tired of being judged so does a big piece intended to lash out at her critics. Instead, they rave about it. So, the artist decides to put out what her friend calls "the most inane, hateful piece of cliched taboo you could imageine": A portrait of Abraham Lincoln with a racial slur painted over him. But (once more as the assistant nicely sums up) "instead of catching onto your little prank, they ''fell'' for it and hung it in a museum where it's currently delighting pretentious critics and alienating the real people you set out to reach when you started."
13th Oct '16 9:50:43 AM narm00
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* ''ComicBook/{{Asterix}}'': Quite some European far-right politicians or supporters have used this series promote a romanticized idea of ancient Europe in a time when supposedly no immigrants crowded the country. It doesn't occur to them that ''Asterix'' is more historical fiction than anything else and that Asterix and his friends always get along fine with other nationalities. Even the Romans aren't always depicted as villains.

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* ''ComicBook/{{Asterix}}'': Quite some a few European far-right politicians or supporters have used this series to promote a romanticized idea of ancient Europe in a time when supposedly no immigrants crowded the country. It doesn't occur to them that ''Asterix'' is more historical fiction than anything else and that Asterix and his friends always get along fine with other nationalities. Even the Romans aren't always depicted as villains.



** Crumb has also draw quite some controversial comics in his life. His Angelfood [=McSpade=] comics about a stereotypical African tribeswoman and the highly controversial two-parter comic strip "When the Goddamn Niggers Take Over America" and "When the Goddamn Jews take over America" have understandably been accused of racism, the latter two predictably being used by Neo Nazi's and far-right supporters. Crumb himself was absolutely horrified by this, because all his comics are meant as {{Satire}}. He is also huge admirer of {{Jazz}} and {{Blues}} and drew many comic strips and album covers promoting his love for these Afro-American musical genres. Crumb also has many black and Jewish friends, including Creator/ArtSpiegelman, and is married to a Jewish woman, Aline Kominsky-Crumb.

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** Crumb has also draw drawn quite some controversial comics in his life. His Angelfood [=McSpade=] comics about a stereotypical African tribeswoman and the highly controversial two-parter comic strip "When the Goddamn Niggers Take Over America" and "When the Goddamn Jews take over America" have understandably been accused of racism, the latter two predictably being used by Neo Nazi's Nazis and far-right supporters. Crumb himself was absolutely horrified by this, because all his comics are meant as {{Satire}}. He is also a huge admirer of {{Jazz}} and {{Blues}} and drew many comic strips and album covers promoting his love for these Afro-American musical genres. Crumb also has many black and Jewish friends, including Creator/ArtSpiegelman, and is married to a Jewish woman, Aline Kominsky-Crumb.



* SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker - mass-murderer, torturer, MonsterClown, and has a MASSIVE fanbase.

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* SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker ComicBook/TheJoker - mass-murderer, torturer, MonsterClown, and has a MASSIVE fanbase.



** A better example from the pages of Batman might be Comicbook/HarleyQuinn. Although she is the girlfriend and accomplice of SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker, and is often shown to be almost as AxeCrazy as he is, fans often seem to forgive her actions, hold her up as something of a heroic or anti-heroic figure, and she is often a KarmaHoudini in the actual stories.

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** A better example from the pages of Batman might be Comicbook/HarleyQuinn. Harley Quinn. Although she is the girlfriend and accomplice of SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker, ComicBook/TheJoker, and is often shown to be almost as AxeCrazy as he is, fans often seem to forgive her actions, hold her up as something of a heroic or anti-heroic figure, and she is often a KarmaHoudini in the actual stories.



** The emergence of comics like {{Irredeemable}}, with its BewareTheSuperman concept, also tends to put Batman in a better light in this storyline, given just how dangerous a lot of heroes could be if they really wanted to be.

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** The emergence of comics like {{Irredeemable}}, ComicBook/{{Irredeemable}}, with its BewareTheSuperman concept, also tends to put Batman in a better light in this storyline, given just how dangerous a lot of heroes could be if they really wanted to be.



* ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'': Some people read it just because they like the [[NinetiesAntiHero Antiheroes]]. This is missing the fact that ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'' was written as a criticism of that kind of character. Others miss the idea that a big part of the story is that Superman and the new League trying to bring about world peace works horribly [[spoiler:and ends up getting everyone nuked,]] and wholeheartedly support/condemn them as [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] nostalgia.

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* ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'': Some people read it just because they like the [[NinetiesAntiHero Antiheroes]].antiheroes]]. This is missing the fact that ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'' was written as a criticism of that kind of character. Others miss the idea that a big part of the story is that Superman and the new League trying to bring about world peace works horribly [[spoiler:and ends up getting everyone nuked,]] and wholeheartedly support/condemn them as [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] nostalgia.



** It got to the point that Magog, who existed exclusively as a self-righteous TakeThat aimed at 90's antiheroes (ComicBook/{{Cable}} in particularly), was given his own book that played his over-the-top attempts at badassery straight. The title itself was cancelled pretty quickly and Magog ended up being killed off shortly after it ended.

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** It got to the point that Magog, who existed exclusively as a self-righteous TakeThat aimed at 90's antiheroes (ComicBook/{{Cable}} in particularly), particular), was given his own book that played his over-the-top attempts at badassery straight. The title itself was cancelled pretty quickly and Magog ended up being killed off shortly after it ended.



* Though the series was a massively controversial, there were a surprising number of readers of ''Comicbook/SuperiorSpiderMan'' who sided with Comicbook/DoctorOctopus and genuinely felt that he was indeed better at being Spider-Man than Peter Parker ever was. This is despite the series' final arc demonstrating in great detail ''why'' Ock's pompous, DarkerAndEdgier methods did not work, and even climaxing with him willingly relinquishing control and admitting that Peter was indeed the [[TitleDrop superior Spider-Man]] all along.

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* Though the series was a massively controversial, there were a surprising number of readers of ''Comicbook/SuperiorSpiderMan'' who sided with Comicbook/DoctorOctopus and genuinely felt that he was indeed better at being Spider-Man than Peter Parker ever was. This is despite the series' final arc demonstrating in great detail ''why'' Ock's pompous, DarkerAndEdgier methods did not work, and even climaxing with him willingly relinquishing control and admitting that Peter was indeed the [[TitleDrop superior Spider-Man]] all along.



* Lobo started as a generic mercenary before being retooled by creator Keith Giffen as a parody of eighties "grim and gritty" heroes like ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} and ComicBook/ThePunisher in a series of mini-series books. Needless to say, Lobo became a big hit with fans who took the satire at face value.

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* Lobo ComicBook/{{Lobo}} started as a generic mercenary before being retooled by creator Keith Giffen as a parody of eighties "grim and gritty" heroes like ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} and ComicBook/ThePunisher in a series of mini-series books. Needless to say, Lobo became a big hit with fans who took the satire at face value.
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