History MisBlamed / AnimeAndManga

8th Feb '18 1:19:29 PM nanakiro
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* To hear some people, the blame for the collapse of the anime market lies entirely on the backs of harem shows. There are several reasons besides that, such as overbidding, not reaching the right market, the changing market, and the collapse of the whole American economy. Actually, many harem series, especially fanservice-laden ones, have been surprise successes -- ''Manga/IkkiTousen'' and ''VisualNovel/{{SHUFFLE}}!'' come to mind -- while cleaner or less formulaic shows get left in the dust.

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* To hear some people, the blame for the collapse of the anime market lies entirely on the backs of harem shows. There are several reasons besides that, such as overbidding, not reaching the right market, the changing market, and the collapse of the whole American economy. Actually, many harem series, especially fanservice-laden ones, have been surprise successes -- ''Manga/IkkiTousen'' and ''VisualNovel/{{SHUFFLE}}!'' come to mind -- while cleaner or less formulaic shows get left in the dust. And even then, that's blaming the wrong demographic-- lobbying insults at the shows that come on at OtakuOClock aren't going to help with what shows are on during the average Japanese Sunday morning, for example.
8th Feb '18 1:08:41 PM nanakiro
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8th Feb '18 1:07:04 PM nanakiro
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*** Similarly, at a recent convention, Creator/VicMignogna took [[AuthorTract five minutes out of a panel to give an unsolicited semi-rant]] about how a voice actor's job is to act, not to do impressions.

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*** Similarly, at a recent convention, Creator/VicMignogna took [[AuthorTract five minutes out of a panel to give an unsolicited semi-rant]] about how a voice actor's job is to act, not to do impressions.



*** ''Castle in the Sky'' also ran into another issue, regarding the redone score. Many American "real" fans went ballistic and unfairly excoriated Disney for LullDestruction (there was also extra comedic chatter from Dola's sons thrown in during the chase scenes). In reality, the rescore was done by original composer Joe Hisaishi with Miyazaki's blessing, and Hisaishi had said that he was never pleased with the original score and liked the new one better. Unfortunately, the complaints from the American fanbase were ''so'' loud and relentless that when the film was re-released on DVD and Blu-ray years later, the rescore was dropped (much, ironically, to the disappointment of fans of the Disney dub); this despite the fact that the rescore ''is'' on the Japanese Blu-rays. (A similar atmosphere occurred for ''Anime/KikisDeliveryService''[='=]s dub, which had a lot of extra chatter from Phil Hartman and some additional pieces of music; when both were dropped, fans of the dub complained.) Recently, however, Gkids has reissued the film on BluRay, providing viewers with the choice of viewing the Disney dub with either the rerecorded score OR the original.

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*** ''Castle in the Sky'' also ran into another issue, regarding the redone score. Many American "real" fans went ballistic and unfairly excoriated Disney for LullDestruction (there was also extra comedic chatter from Dola's sons thrown in during the chase scenes). In reality, the rescore was done by original composer Joe Hisaishi with Miyazaki's blessing, and Hisaishi had said that he was never pleased with the original score and liked the new one better. Unfortunately, the complaints from the American fanbase were ''so'' loud and relentless that when the film was re-released on DVD and Blu-ray years later, the rescore was dropped (much, ironically, to the disappointment of fans of the Disney dub); this despite the fact that the rescore ''is'' on the Japanese Blu-rays. (A similar atmosphere occurred for ''Anime/KikisDeliveryService''[='=]s dub, which had a lot of extra chatter from Phil Hartman and some additional pieces of music; when both were dropped, fans of the dub complained.) Recently, however, Gkids has reissued the film on BluRay, BluRay in 2011, providing viewers with the choice of viewing the Disney dub with either the rerecorded score OR the original.
26th Jan '18 5:14:28 AM Spanks
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** Due to the seizures caused by the ''Pokémon'' episode "Dennō Senshi Porygon", Porygon was blamed for the attacks and banned off the show for good (And effectively erasing its future evolutions Porygon2 and Porygon-Z from the show as well). Actually, Pikachu's Thunderbolt attack triggered the seizures - but this was probably because Pikachu was the main character. Think of what would happen to the sales of ''Pokémon'' goods and the ratings of the television show if they ''did'' blame Pikachu for the seizures and proceed to write him off the show. (Of course, in reality, it was the ''animators'' who caused it by using overly flashy effects, not the fictional characters of the show, so that's a double case...)

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** Due to the seizures caused by the ''Pokémon'' episode "Dennō Senshi Porygon", Porygon was blamed for the attacks and banned off the show for good (And effectively erasing its future evolutions Porygon2 [=Porygon2=] and Porygon-Z from the show as well). Actually, Pikachu's Thunderbolt attack triggered the seizures - but this was probably because Pikachu was the main character. Think of what would happen to the sales of ''Pokémon'' goods and the ratings of the television show if they ''did'' blame Pikachu for the seizures and proceed to write him off the show. (Of course, in reality, it was the ''animators'' who caused it by using overly flashy effects, not the fictional characters of the show, so that's a double case...)
26th Jan '18 5:13:35 AM Spanks
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** Due to the seizures caused by the ''Pokémon'' episode "Dennō Senshi Porygon", Porygon was blamed for the attacks and banned off the show for good. Actually, Pikachu's Thunderbolt attack triggered the seizures - but this was probably because Pikachu was the main character. Think of what would happen to the sales of ''Pokémon'' goods and the ratings of the television show if they ''did'' blame Pikachu for the seizures and proceed to write him off the show. (Of course, in reality, it was the ''animators'' who caused it by using overly flashy effects, not the fictional characters of the show, so that's a double case...)

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** Due to the seizures caused by the ''Pokémon'' episode "Dennō Senshi Porygon", Porygon was blamed for the attacks and banned off the show for good.good (And effectively erasing its future evolutions Porygon2 and Porygon-Z from the show as well). Actually, Pikachu's Thunderbolt attack triggered the seizures - but this was probably because Pikachu was the main character. Think of what would happen to the sales of ''Pokémon'' goods and the ratings of the television show if they ''did'' blame Pikachu for the seizures and proceed to write him off the show. (Of course, in reality, it was the ''animators'' who caused it by using overly flashy effects, not the fictional characters of the show, so that's a double case...)
24th Jan '18 7:38:54 PM RacattackForce
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** [=4Kids=] is often blamed for "removing" the backstory of Mewtwo in ''[[Anime/PokemonTheFirstMovie Mewtwo Strikes Back]]'', where Ai teaches Mewtwo about life, for being too sad, or because it involved cloning human children. However, this prologue was purely DVD only, for both America and Japan, though it aired with the movie on TV Tokyo before the American theatrical release.

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** [=4Kids=] is often blamed for "removing" the backstory of Mewtwo in ''[[Anime/PokemonTheFirstMovie Mewtwo Strikes Back]]'', where Ai teaches Mewtwo about life, for being too sad, or because it involved cloning human children. However, this prologue was purely DVD only, meant as supplementary material for both America and Japan, though it aired with the movie it airing on TV Tokyo before the American theatrical release.television in Japan, not in theaters.
23rd Jan '18 11:15:20 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** [=4Kids=] is often blamed for "removing" the backstory of Mewtwo in ''[[Anime/PokemonTheFirstMovie Mewtwo Strikes Back]]'', where Ai teaches Mewtwo about life, for being too sad, or because it involved cloning human chilren. However, this prologue was purely DVD only, for both America and Japan, though it aired with the movie on TV Tokyo before the American theatrical release.

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** [=4Kids=] is often blamed for "removing" the backstory of Mewtwo in ''[[Anime/PokemonTheFirstMovie Mewtwo Strikes Back]]'', where Ai teaches Mewtwo about life, for being too sad, or because it involved cloning human chilren.children. However, this prologue was purely DVD only, for both America and Japan, though it aired with the movie on TV Tokyo before the American theatrical release.



* One argument that has been used against the dub of ''Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann'' is that [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks in the English versions, the characters refer to the mecha's trademark FinishingMove as the "Giga Drill Break" instead of "Giga Drill Breaker."]] While "Break" admittedly doesn't sound as cool, that is actually what it's supposed to be called -- "Breaker" is a {{Mondegreen}} coming from the GratuitousEnglish of "[[CallingYourAttacks BUUUU-REEEEKKKKAAAAA!]]"

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* One argument that has been used against the dub of ''Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann'' is that [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks in the English versions, the characters refer to the mecha's trademark FinishingMove move as the "Giga Drill Break" instead of "Giga Drill Breaker."]] While "Break" admittedly doesn't sound as cool, that is actually what it's supposed to be called -- "Breaker" is a {{Mondegreen}} coming from the GratuitousEnglish of "[[CallingYourAttacks BUUUU-REEEEKKKKAAAAA!]]"
27th Dec '17 10:49:02 PM MBG
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----* The "Duwang" translation of ''Manga/JojosBizarreAdventureDiamondIsUnbreakable'' is fairly memetic in the fandom for its baffling quotes, which many fans assume to be the result of BlindIdiotTranslation. After all, where else could something like "His hair styled got trashed so he was too mad to even know what drawings are" come from? Pretty much the original source, as it turns out; though the Duwang translation is pretty incompetent, [[ItMakesSenseInContext it was actually pretty accurate to the original in terms of conveying its events]]. For instance, in the above example, Josuke really did get his hairstyle insulted, and, that being his BerserkButton, fell into such a blind rage that he was unable to recognize a drawing being held in front of his face. A lot of why the Duwang translation sounds the way it does is because it was already adapting a fairly strange series, and the genuinely accurate weird stuff ended up blending with the terrible syntax and occasional lapses into kanji.
20th Nov '17 11:02:10 AM rjd1922
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** [=4Kids=] is often blamed for "removing" the backstory of Mewtwo in ''Mewtwo Strikes Back'', where Ai teaches Mewtwo about life, for being too sad, or because it involved cloning human chilren. However, that scene was purely DVD only, for both America and Japan.
** The Advanced series has a number of very weird edits and censorship, like the removal of Poké Ball symbols on Ash's badge case and removal of crosshairs on some of Team Rocket's devices, that get blamed on [=4Kids=]. In reality, these edits were entirely due to [[ExecutiveMeddling the laws of American TV at the time]] and are ''only'' present in the American airing of the episodes. The edits don't appear when the same episodes were shown outside America.
** An interview revealed that the series becoming more culturally generic after the first saga was a decision made solely by the Japanese creators, who were very much aware that they had a worldwide franchise on their hands. It was not forced upon them by [=4Kids=] as one faction had been insisting for years.[[note]] Also, at the same time, the anime lost its original head writer, Takeshi Shudo, who had wanted the series to stay very Japanese and was ''not'' pleased with the subsequent seasons.[[/note]]

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** [=4Kids=] is often blamed for "removing" the backstory of Mewtwo in ''Mewtwo ''[[Anime/PokemonTheFirstMovie Mewtwo Strikes Back'', Back]]'', where Ai teaches Mewtwo about life, for being too sad, or because it involved cloning human chilren. However, that scene this prologue was purely DVD only, for both America and Japan.
Japan, though it aired with the movie on TV Tokyo before the American theatrical release.
** The Advanced ''Advanced Generation'' series has a number of very weird edits and censorship, like the removal of Poké Ball symbols on Ash's badge case and removal of crosshairs on some of Team Rocket's devices, that get blamed on [=4Kids=]. In reality, these edits were entirely due to [[ExecutiveMeddling the laws of American TV at the time]] and are ''only'' present in the American airing of the episodes. The edits don't appear when the same episodes were shown outside America.
** An interview revealed that the series becoming more culturally generic after the first saga was a decision made solely by the Japanese creators, who were very much aware that they had a worldwide franchise on their hands. It was not forced upon them by [=4Kids=] as one faction had been insisting for years.[[note]] Also, at the same time, the anime lost its original head writer, Takeshi Shudo, Creator/TakeshiShudo, who had wanted the series to stay very Japanese and was ''not'' pleased with the subsequent seasons.[[/note]]



** Due to the seizures caused by the ''Pokémon'' episode "Denno Senshi Porygon", Porygon was blamed for the attacks and banned off the show for good. Actually, Pikachu's Thunderbolt attack triggered the seizures - but this was probably because Pikachu was the main character. Think of what would happen to the sales of Pokemon goods and the ratings of the television show if they ''did'' blame Pikachu for the seizures and proceed to write him off the show. (Of course, in reality, it was the ''animators'' who caused it by using overly flashy effects, not the fictional characters of the show, so that's a double case...)

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** Due to the seizures caused by the ''Pokémon'' episode "Denno "Dennō Senshi Porygon", Porygon was blamed for the attacks and banned off the show for good. Actually, Pikachu's Thunderbolt attack triggered the seizures - but this was probably because Pikachu was the main character. Think of what would happen to the sales of Pokemon ''Pokémon'' goods and the ratings of the television show if they ''did'' blame Pikachu for the seizures and proceed to write him off the show. (Of course, in reality, it was the ''animators'' who caused it by using overly flashy effects, not the fictional characters of the show, so that's a double case...)
30th Oct '17 9:37:10 PM JTurner
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*** ''Castle in the Sky'' also ran into another issue, regarding the redone score. Many American "real" fans went ballistic and unfairly excoriated Disney for LullDestruction (there was also extra comedic chatter from Dola's sons thrown in during the chase scenes). In reality, the rescore was done by original composer Joe Hisaishi with Miyazaki's blessing, and Hisaishi had said that he was never pleased with the original score and liked the new one better. Unfortunately, the complaints from the American fanbase were ''so'' loud and relentless that when the film was re-released on DVD and Blu-ray years later, the rescore was dropped (much, ironically, to the disappointment of fans of the Disney dub); this despite the fact that the rescore ''is'' on the Japanese Blu-rays. (A similar atmosphere occurred for ''Anime/KikisDeliveryService''[='=]s dub, which had a lot of extra chatter from Phil Hartman and some additional pieces of music; when both were dropped, fans of the dub complained.)

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*** ''Castle in the Sky'' also ran into another issue, regarding the redone score. Many American "real" fans went ballistic and unfairly excoriated Disney for LullDestruction (there was also extra comedic chatter from Dola's sons thrown in during the chase scenes). In reality, the rescore was done by original composer Joe Hisaishi with Miyazaki's blessing, and Hisaishi had said that he was never pleased with the original score and liked the new one better. Unfortunately, the complaints from the American fanbase were ''so'' loud and relentless that when the film was re-released on DVD and Blu-ray years later, the rescore was dropped (much, ironically, to the disappointment of fans of the Disney dub); this despite the fact that the rescore ''is'' on the Japanese Blu-rays. (A similar atmosphere occurred for ''Anime/KikisDeliveryService''[='=]s dub, which had a lot of extra chatter from Phil Hartman and some additional pieces of music; when both were dropped, fans of the dub complained.) ) Recently, however, Gkids has reissued the film on BluRay, providing viewers with the choice of viewing the Disney dub with either the rerecorded score OR the original.
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