History MassEffect2AntagonistsAndNpcs / NonCouncilSpace

4th Apr '17 3:40:28 AM Trogdor7620
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* EatenAlive: If Wrex is alive, he gets swallowed by Kalros.
1st Apr '17 12:17:14 PM Nuxx
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1st Apr '17 12:17:13 PM Nuxx
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* TheCakeIsALie: The promise of the genophage cure.[[spoiler: Shepard can fake curing the krogan in exchange foro securing Wreav's krogan forces to further his cause. Wreav will be utterly oblivious he's getting nothing in return until he returns home from the victory to find no welcome party.]]

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* TheCakeIsALie: The promise of the genophage cure.[[spoiler: Shepard can promise ending the genophage in exchange for Wreav and the krogan joining the fight against the Reapers. However it's possible to merely fake curing the krogan in exchange foro securing Wreav's krogan forces to further for his cause. help. Wreav will be utterly oblivious he's getting nothing in return for all the warriors he's providing until the very moment he returns home from the victory to find no welcome victory party.]]
1st Apr '17 12:11:12 PM Nuxx
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* TheCakeIsALie: The promise of the genophage cure.[[spoiler: Shepard can fake curing the krogan in exchange foro securing Wreav's krogan forces to further his cause. Wreav will be utterly oblivious he's getting nothing in return until he returns home from the victory to find no welcome party.]]



* PyrrhicVictory:
** If the genophage is cured to secure his aid Wreav is an invaluable asset in aiding the council races against the Reapers short term but a restored Krogan under his leadership may prove disastrous in the long term. Wreav makes no effort to hide his desire for a return to the warmongering days of old and the fact he knows the council races will be severely weakened by the Reaper conflict.
** On the other hand if the genophage is not cured, and Wreav is tricked into providing aid in the fight against the Reapers, the krogan can take part in the greatest victory in galactic history but are no closer to escaping their extinction and Wreav returns home to zero fanfare.



* SmugSnake: Spends much of ''3'' trying to threaten Shepard. He basically exists to tell the player "You screwed up and now you're stuck with this guy instead of Wrex."
** Despite this, he does have a grudging respect for Shepard, but only Shepard, [[EnemiesEqualsGreatness due to the enemies s/he's made]]. Everyone else -- squadmembers, [=NPCs=], politicians -- he treats like dirt. He also bites his tongue around Eve, but only because she's in a position to cause him trouble if he doesn't play nice with her.
* SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute: Comes across as one of these for Wrex at first, but it soon becomes clear that they're very different in some ''very'' important ways -- namely, that Wrex is trying to unite the krogan and revive their long-forgotten culture, whereas Wreav thinks the krogan are just fine the way they are.
** And unlike Wrex, he won't notice if [[spoiler: you sabotage the cure for the genophage.]]

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* SmugSnake: Spends much of ''3'' trying to threaten Shepard. He basically exists to tell the player "You screwed up and now you're stuck with this guy instead of Wrex."
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" Despite this, he does have a grudging respect for Shepard, but only Shepard, [[EnemiesEqualsGreatness due to the enemies s/he's made]]. Everyone else -- squadmembers, [=NPCs=], politicians -- he treats like dirt. He also bites his tongue around Eve, but only because she's in a position to cause him trouble if he doesn't play nice with her.
* SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute: Comes across as one of these for Wrex at first, but it soon becomes clear that they're very different in some ''very'' important ways -- namely, that Wrex is trying to unite the krogan and revive their long-forgotten culture, whereas Wreav thinks the krogan are just fine the way they are.
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are. And more critically, unlike Wrex, he won't notice if [[spoiler: you sabotage the cure for the genophage.]]


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* UnfitForGreatness: He's far too obvious about his plans for conquest, lacks any diplomatic tact and Shepard can use him as a mere pawn to secure further assistance for earth. You can even discuss this trope with Mordin in order to [[spoiler: convince him it's a bad idea to cure the krogan whilst they're under Wreav's leadship and Eve's not there to temper him. Mordin agrees another war with the krogan isn't worth the risk, so agrees to sabotage the cure and then fakes his own death.]]


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* UnwittingPawn: Shepard can secure Wreav's help to bring the Turians into the fight and get krogan boots on earth too, all without actually providing anything in return. [[spoiler: By the time Wreav learns of the fake genophage betrayal, he's in no position to retaliate and has likely lost the support of all who followed him.]] What's worse is Wreav's attitude practically ''encourages'' betraying him for the greater good in the long run, especially if Eve is no longer there to restrain him, as curing the krogan just means another inevitable galactic war on the horizon. [[spoiler: In fact sabotaging the genophage cure also earns the full support of the salarian leadership too.]]
8th Mar '17 5:29:04 PM SpeedBoostTorchic
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-->'''Aria''': I'd been waiting to kill him for months. I spend a couple of hours running around with you then I go all soft. [[ContagiousHeroism You're like a]] [[VitriolicBestBuds disease.]]
12th Feb '17 9:31:12 PM MM_Crusader
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* AssholeVictim: Wrex doesn't seem to be bother of his death and says that "He was a pain in the ass anyway." Considering his jerkass attitude and [[spoiler:his intentions in the epilogue of the Extended Cut DLC if the Genophage is cured]] if he is the clan leader, Wrex is probably right.
12th Feb '17 5:57:01 AM LampUnderTheTable
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* NeverMessWithGranny: In the novel ''Mass Effect: Retribution'' Aria reflects to herself that she's survived for "... over a thousand years." Since this is her internal monologue, there is no reason to suspect she's lying. Being over 1,000 years old puts her clearly in the Matriarch stage of her life and makes her old even by asari and krogan standards. Even though ''Mass Effect'' takes place in the future, Aria would have been born at least when ''Genghis Khan'' was alive on Earth.

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* NeverMessWithGranny: In the novel ''Mass Effect: Retribution'' Retribution'', Aria reflects to herself that she's survived for "... over a thousand years." Since this is her internal monologue, there is no reason to suspect she's lying. Being over 1,000 years old puts her clearly in the Matriarch stage of her life and makes her old even by asari and krogan standards. Even though ''Mass Effect'' takes place in the future, Aria would have been born at least when ''Genghis Khan'' was alive on Earth.
11th Feb '17 3:17:22 PM LampUnderTheTable
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* NeverMessWithGranny: In the novel ''Mass Effect: Retribution'' Aria reflects to herself that she's survived for "... over a thousand years." Since this is her internal monologue, there is no reason to suspect she's lying. Being over 1,000 years old puts her clearly in the Matriarch stage of her life and makes her old even by asari and krogan standards. Even though ''Mass Effect'' takes place in the future, Aria would have been born when ''Genghis Khan was ruling the Mongols'' on Earth.

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* NeverMessWithGranny: In the novel ''Mass Effect: Retribution'' Aria reflects to herself that she's survived for "... over a thousand years." Since this is her internal monologue, there is no reason to suspect she's lying. Being over 1,000 years old puts her clearly in the Matriarch stage of her life and makes her old even by asari and krogan standards. Even though ''Mass Effect'' takes place in the future, Aria would have been born at least when ''Genghis Khan Khan'' was ruling the Mongols'' alive on Earth.
11th Feb '17 1:32:41 PM MissMokushiroku
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* [[BadassGrandpa Badass Grandma]]: The novel ''Mass Effect: Retribution'' Aria reflects to herself that she hasn't survived for "... over a thousand years." Since this is her internal monologue there is no reason to suspect she's lying. Being over 1,000 years old puts her clearly in the Matriarch stage of her life and makes her old even by Asari and Krogan standards. Especially once you consider that, even though Mass Effect takes place in the future, Aria would have been born when ''Genghis Khan was ruling the Mongols'' on Earth.


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* NeverMessWithGranny: In the novel ''Mass Effect: Retribution'' Aria reflects to herself that she's survived for "... over a thousand years." Since this is her internal monologue, there is no reason to suspect she's lying. Being over 1,000 years old puts her clearly in the Matriarch stage of her life and makes her old even by asari and krogan standards. Even though ''Mass Effect'' takes place in the future, Aria would have been born when ''Genghis Khan was ruling the Mongols'' on Earth.
11th Feb '17 1:27:18 PM LampUnderTheTable
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* [[BadassGrandpa Badass Grandma]]: The novel ''Mass Effect: Retribution'' Aria reflects to herself that she hasn't survived for "... over a thousand years." Since this is her internal monologue there is no reason to suspect she's lying. Being over 1,000 years old puts her clearly in the Matriarch stage of her life and makes her old even by Asari and Krogan standards. Especially once you consider that, even though Mass Effect takes place in the future, Aria would have been born when ''Genghis Khan was ruling the Mongols'' on Earth.
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