History MassEffect2AntagonistsAndNpcs / NonCouncilSpace

29th Dec '17 6:31:44 PM ChrisMorris1234
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* UnfortunateNames: He is ''proud'' of the Qwib-Qwib, and refuses to transfer over "petty insults". Which may be a good thing for him, because the two ship names he suggests are even worse (Vas Defrahnz/Vas Iktomi, though in the quarian language, these are actually proud names).

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* UnfortunateNames: He is ''proud'' of the Qwib-Qwib, and refuses to transfer over "petty insults". Which may be a good thing for him, because the two ship names he suggests are even worse (Vas Defrahnz/Vas Iktomi, Iktomi), though in the quarian language, these are actually proud names).
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*** Siding with him over Raan in their argument results in him [[WeHaveReserves sacrificing a bunch of frigates]], which ultimately allows him to save other, more important ships. This results in a net gain of war assets +35 for the Heavy Fleet. Jerk or not, he knows what he's doing when it comes to commanding a battle fleet.
** JerkWithAHeartOfGold: His hatred towards the geth is motivated more by paranoia than actual malice. If Shepard can genuinely convince him that the geth will not be hostile, he backs down from attacking them after much deliberation, though arguably also out of self-preservation. After this, he goes along with the peace while leading his Heavy Fleet alongside the geth against the Reapers.

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*** Siding with him over Raan in their argument results in him [[WeHaveReserves sacrificing a bunch of frigates]], which ultimately allows him to save other, more important ships. This results in a net gain of war assets +35 +25 for the Heavy Fleet. Jerk or not, he knows what he's doing when it comes to commanding a battle fleet.
** JerkWithAHeartOfGold: His hatred towards the geth is motivated more by paranoia than actual malice. If Shepard can genuinely convince him that the geth will not be hostile, he backs down from attacking them after much deliberation, though arguably also out of self-preservation. After this, he goes along with the peace while peace, leading his Heavy Fleet alongside the geth against the Reapers.



* TalkToTheFist: When Gerrel orders the Migrant Fleet to [[spoiler: bombard the geth dreadnought Shepard and Tali are aboard]], the aftermath discussion gives Shepard a Renegade interrupt to gut-punch him and boot him off the ''Normandy''.

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* TalkToTheFist: When Gerrel orders the Migrant Fleet to [[spoiler: bombard the geth dreadnought Shepard and Tali Tali/Xen are aboard]], the aftermath discussion gives Shepard a Renegade interrupt to gut-punch him and boot him off the ''Normandy''.



* WhatTheHellHero: He attacks a geth ship that Shepard's on as soon as the defenses go down. No one else is happy about it. There's even a [[QuickTimeEvent Renegade Interrupt]] to sucker-gutpunch him and kick him off the Normandy when he tries to rationalize it to Shepard. Paragon Shepard is more understanding, and simply tells Gerrel to warn him next time.

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* WhatTheHellHero: He attacks a geth ship that Shepard's on as soon as the defenses go down. No one else is happy about it. There's even a [[QuickTimeEvent Renegade Interrupt]] to sucker-gutpunch punch him and kick him off the Normandy when he tries to rationalize it to Shepard. Paragon Shepard is more understanding, and simply tells Gerrel to warn him give a warning next time.



** She'll do so again in ''3'', at which Shepard can either cut her off or tell her to wait until later.

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** She'll do so offer twice again in ''3'', at which once with Legion/the Geth VI, where Shepard can either cut her off or tell her to wait until later.later, and also with the Geth Primes to help Shepard find if they are trustworthy.
* JerkassHasAPoint: [[spoiler: Should the Quarians survive the war]] and Shepard sides with Xen over Tali in their argument, up to 45 war assets can be added towards the Crucible, much like siding with Gerrel in his clash with Raan.
28th Dec '17 4:44:52 PM nombretomado
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27th Dec '17 4:11:55 PM Carliro
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* AntiVillain: One of the most sympathetic antagonists in the series.
5th Dec '17 2:15:03 PM ChrisMorris1234
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* WhatTheHellHero: Gets one from Tali for [[spoiler:not telling her about her father's (at the time) presumed death so her reaction would be more genuine]].

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* WhatTheHellHero: Gets one from Tali and Paragon Shepard for [[spoiler:not telling her about her father's (at the time) presumed death so her reaction would be more genuine]].
28th Nov '17 2:45:55 PM ChrisMorris1234
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** She'll do again in ''3'', at which Shepard can either cut her off or tell her to wait until later.
* JustAMachine: Believes the geth are malfunctioning machines , comparing them to starships (that are superior in various ways but are still just tools), and, if Shepard refers to [[spoiler: Legion's]] help beating the Collectors, she states that the same could be said of his/her pistol. [[spoiler:Thankfully, nothing seems to comes of it to jeopardize peace should you achieve it in ''3''; she just gets shipped off to the Crucible]].

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** She'll do so again in ''3'', at which Shepard can either cut her off or tell her to wait until later.
* JustAMachine: Believes the geth are malfunctioning machines , machines, comparing them to starships (that are superior in various ways but are still just tools), and, if Shepard refers to [[spoiler: Legion's]] help beating the Collectors, she states that the same could be said of his/her pistol. [[spoiler:Thankfully, nothing seems to comes of it to jeopardize peace should you achieve it in ''3''; she just gets shipped off to the Crucible]].
28th Nov '17 2:41:20 PM ChrisMorris1234
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* JerkassHasAPoint: He is one of the lone quarians who support peace with the geth, and is [[spoiler: the only Admiral other than Tali who votes against going to war with them in the third game. He is essential to brokering peace between the two sides in the Rannoch arc]].

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* ** JerkassHasAPoint: He is one of the lone quarians who support peace with the geth, and is [[spoiler: the only Admiral other than Tali who votes against going to war with them in the third game. He is essential to brokering peace between the two sides in the Rannoch arc]].



* TeethClenchedTeamwork: With Tali and Legion in ''3'', as they don't agree with his approach in the war. Shepard also generally disagree, but by how much is up to questioh.

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* TeethClenchedTeamwork: With Tali and Legion in ''3'', as they don't agree with his approach in the war. Shepard also generally disagree, disagrees, but by how much is up to questioh.question.
28th Nov '17 2:40:40 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* FantasticRacism[=/=]JustAMachine: Gerrel and Xen's views on the geth, while Raan doubts that "they have different factions" will convince people. Koris is an exception.



* {{Manipulative Bastard}}s: The trial isn't about whether Tali really did endanger the Flotilla, but what course should the quarians take concerning the geth. Tali just got caught in the crossfire.

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* {{Manipulative Bastard}}s: JustAMachine: Gerrel and Xen's views on the geth, while Raan doubts that "they have different factions" will convince people. Koris is an exception.
* ManipulativeBastard:
The trial isn't about whether Tali really did endanger the Flotilla, but what course should the quarians take concerning the geth. Tali just got caught in the crossfire.
28th Nov '17 2:37:58 PM ChrisMorris1234
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** JerkWithAHeartOfGold: Is a jerk in Tali's trial, but makes it clear that it is not personal as he respects her greatly. As well as seeking peace with the geth, if you ask him about the Admirals' infighting after the first part of the trial, he'll apologize for letting it interfere with the proceedings. If Tali is cleared, he'll thank Shepard for being there for her when the Admiralty board wasn't.
** JerkassHasAPoint: He is one of the lone quarians who support peace with the geth, and is [[spoiler: the only Admiral other than Tali who votes against going to war with them in the third game. He is essential to brokering peace between the two sides in the Rannoch arc]].

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** * JerkWithAHeartOfGold: Is a jerk in Tali's trial, but makes it clear that it is not personal as he respects her greatly. As well as seeking peace with the geth, if you ask him about the Admirals' infighting after the first part of the trial, he'll apologize for letting it interfere with the proceedings. If Tali is cleared, he'll thank Shepard for being there for her when the Admiralty board wasn't.
** * JerkassHasAPoint: He is one of the lone quarians who support peace with the geth, and is [[spoiler: the only Admiral other than Tali who votes against going to war with them in the third game. He is essential to brokering peace between the two sides in the Rannoch arc]].
28th Nov '17 2:32:34 PM ChrisMorris1234
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* FantasticRacism[=/=]JustAMachine : Zaal'Koris is the only one who reflects on both sides of the geth-quarian war. Gerrel and Xen are actively hostile in different ways, while Raan doubts that "they have different factions" will convince people.

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* FantasticRacism[=/=]JustAMachine : Zaal'Koris is the only one who reflects on both sides of the geth-quarian war. FantasticRacism[=/=]JustAMachine: Gerrel and Xen are actively hostile in different ways, Xen's views on the geth, while Raan doubts that "they have different factions" will convince people.people. Koris is an exception.



** Zaal'Koris is a {{Jerkass}} to Shepard and Tali in court, but he remains the sole admiral who wants to make peace with the geth, believing that the other admirals are moving dangerously close to open war. Assuming Tali is acquitted and Shepard urges the Conclave to pursue peace with the geth, Koris warms up to the duo considerably.
** Shala'Raan wants to avoid open war with the geth and is good at keeping the other admirals in line, but the other admirals imply that she's rather low-key about her own opinion and generally goes along with the majority side.
** Rael'Zorah seemed to have been a strict officer and a clever fighter, but remained distant from his daughter Tali, though he still loves her dearly. Based on spoken dialogue from the other four admirals, Rael seemed to share Gerrel's opinion in driving the geth out of their homeworld. [[spoiler:To that end, Rael deliberately reprogrammed captured or dismantled geth to perform experiments, in an effort to successfully hack their neural network. By experimenting on active geth, Rael not only violated sacred laws that predated the quarians' flight from the homeworld, but got everyone on the Alarei killed and endangered the entire fleet]].
** Daro'Xen wants to find a method to reclaim the homeworld with a minimum of bloodshed on either side... by [[MindRape mind raping]] the geth back into slavery, and Tali's responses to Xen's dialogue suggest that Xen has a MadScientist or [[AGodAmI god]] complex.
** Han'Gerrel is a friendly and honorable man, but he believes total war against the geth, even with evidence they're not brainless murdering machines and that the geth who sided with the Reapers are heretics, is the only way to reclaim the quarian homeworld.

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** Zaal'Koris is a {{Jerkass}} to Shepard and Tali in court, but he remains is the sole admiral who wants to make peace with the geth, believing that the other admirals are moving dangerously close to open war. Assuming Tali is acquitted and Shepard urges the Conclave to pursue peace with the geth, Koris warms up to the duo considerably.
** Shala'Raan wants to avoid open war with the geth and is good at keeping the other admirals in line, a ReasonableAuthorityFigure, but the other admirals imply that she's rather low-key about she keeps her own opinion opinions to herself and generally goes along with just jumps on the majority side.
bandwagon of the majority.
** Rael'Zorah seemed to have been a strict officer and a clever fighter, but remained distant from his daughter Tali, though he still loves her dearly. Based on spoken dialogue from speaking to the other four admirals, Rael seemed to share Gerrel's opinion in driving the geth out of their homeworld. Rannoch. [[spoiler:To that end, Rael deliberately reprogrammed reprogrammed, captured or dismantled geth to perform experiments, in an effort to successfully hack their neural network. By experimenting on active geth, Rael not only violated sacred laws that predated the quarians' flight from the homeworld, but got everyone on the Alarei killed and endangered the entire fleet]].
** Daro'Xen wants is determined to find a method to reclaim help the homeworld quarians regain control of the geth with a minimum of bloodshed on either side... bloodshed... by [[MindRape mind raping]] the geth them back into slavery, and slavery. Tali's responses to Xen's dialogue suggest indicate that Xen has a MadScientist or [[AGodAmI god]] complex.
** Han'Gerrel is a friendly and honorable man, but he believes total war against the geth, even with evidence they're not brainless murdering machines and that the geth who sided with the Reapers are heretics, is the only way to reclaim the quarian homeworld.Rannoch.



A close friend of Tali's mother, and flag officer of the Patrol Fleet. Her arm of the flotilla is responsible for picket lines, scouting, and extra-fleet escort duties. Stuck with the fairly thankless task of keeping the other admirals in line, she is sadly aware of the limits of her position and doesn't feel she can do much to change public opinion. If Tali dies in the SuicideMission, she fills her shoes at certain points in ''3'''s story, like Padok Wiks does for Mordin.

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A close friend of Tali's mother, and flag officer of the Patrol Fleet. Her arm of the flotilla is responsible for picket lines, scouting, and extra-fleet escort duties. Stuck with the fairly thankless task of keeping the other admirals in line, she is sadly aware of the limits of her position and doesn't feel she can do much to change public opinion. If Tali dies in the SuicideMission, she Raan fills her shoes at certain points in ''3'''s story, like Padok Wiks does for Mordin.place on Rannoch.



* MyCountryRightOrWrong: If Shepard [[spoiler:experiences the geth consensus]], Raan reads his/her account of seeing it and seems, at the least, taken aback by it and its evidence that there isn't malice on that side of the RobotWar. She can tell Shepard that there was information there that she hadn't been aware of, but when Shep asks if she's having second thoughts about making war against the geth, Raan says that as an Admiral of the Migrant Fleet she ''can't'' have second thoughts.
* NeutralNoLonger: [[spoiler:Initially was wishy-washy about her stance in the whole retaking-the-homeworld question, but once momentum started, she sided with Admirals Xen and Gerrel. While Xen wanted to test out all her new toys, and Gerrel was simply itchin' for a fight, Raan just wanted to take the homeworld]].

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* MyCountryRightOrWrong: If Shepard [[spoiler:experiences the geth consensus]], Raan reads his/her account of seeing it and seems, at the least, taken aback by it and its evidence that there isn't malice on that side of the RobotWar. She can tell Shepard that there was information there that she hadn't been aware of, but when Shep asks if she's denies having second thoughts about making war against the geth, Raan says that as an Admiral of the Migrant Fleet she ''can't'' have second thoughts.
if Shepard inquires.
* NeutralNoLonger: [[spoiler:Initially was wishy-washy about her stance in the whole retaking-the-homeworld question, but once momentum started, she sided with Admirals Xen and Gerrel. While Xen wanted to test out all her new toys, and Gerrel was simply itchin' for a fight, Raan just wanted to take the homeworld]].Rannoch reclaimed]].



* WhatTheHellHero: Gets one from Tali for [[spoiler:not telling her about her father's (at the time) presumed death so her reaction would be more genuine]]. Gives one to Han for [[spoiler:firing on the geth dreadnought with Shepard, Tali/Xen and their squadmate(s) inside]], although she does try to placate Shepard.

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* WhatTheHellHero: Gets one from Tali for [[spoiler:not telling her about her father's (at the time) presumed death so her reaction would be more genuine]].
** Gives one herself towards the duo if the trial ends with [[spoiler:Tali simply being exiled.]]
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Gives one to Han Gerrel for [[spoiler:firing on the geth dreadnought with Shepard, Tali/Xen and their squadmate(s) inside]], although she does try to placate Shepard.



* {{Jerkass}}: A major one in ''2''.
** JerkWithAHeartOfGold: He's not completely without redeeming qualities. In addition to his desire to seek peace with the geth, he makes it clear that he has nothing personal against Tali and respects her greatly. If you ask him about the Admirals' infighting after the first part of the trial, he'll apologize for letting it interfere with the proceedings. After you get Tali off, he'll thank Shepard for being there for her when the Admiralty board wasn't. Yeah, he's kind of a dick, but underneath it all he's a genuinely good person.
** JerkassHasAPoint: He is one of the lone quarians who support peace with the geth, and is [[spoiler: the only Admiral other than Tali who votes against going to war with them in the third game. He is also essential to brokering peace between the geth and quarians in the Rannoch arc]].
* KangarooCourt: Sets up one for Tali in ''2'', and goes so far as to try to deny her any legal representation at all. Shepard can shut the whole thing down simply by pointing out that Koris has no actual evidence of wrongdoing on her part and is only pushing the trial in the first place as a way to score political points.
* TheMenFirst: [[spoiler:After crash-landing on Rannoch, he's adamant that Shepard leaves him behind to save the remnants of his crew. You can convince him otherwise, and despite lamenting his loss, he agrees in hindsight that Shepard was right to do so, as he keeps his Civilian Fleet from faltering]].

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* {{Jerkass}}: A major one ** JerkWithAHeartOfGold: Is a jerk in ''2''.Tali's trial, but makes it clear that it is not personal as he respects her greatly. As well as seeking peace with the geth, if you ask him about the Admirals' infighting after the first part of the trial, he'll apologize for letting it interfere with the proceedings. If Tali is cleared, he'll thank Shepard for being there for her when the Admiralty board wasn't.
** JerkWithAHeartOfGold: He's not completely without redeeming qualities. In addition to his desire to seek peace with the geth, he makes it clear that he has nothing personal against Tali and respects her greatly. If you ask him about the Admirals' infighting after the first part of the trial, he'll apologize for letting it interfere with the proceedings. After you get Tali off, he'll thank Shepard for being there for her when the Admiralty board wasn't. Yeah, he's kind of a dick, but underneath it all he's a genuinely good person.
** JerkassHasAPoint: He is one of the lone quarians who support peace with the geth, and is [[spoiler: the only Admiral other than Tali who votes against going to war with them in the third game. He is also essential to brokering peace between the geth and quarians two sides in the Rannoch arc]].
* KangarooCourt: Sets up one for Tali in ''2'', and goes so far as to try to deny her any legal representation at all. Shepard can shut the whole thing down simply by pointing out that Koris has no actual evidence of wrongdoing on her part and is only pushing the trial in the first place as a way to score political points.
* TheMenFirst: [[spoiler:After crash-landing on Rannoch, he's adamant that Shepard leaves him behind to save the remnants rest of his crew. You can convince him otherwise, and despite lamenting his loss, feeling guilty, he agrees in hindsight that Shepard was right to do so, as he keeps his Civilian Fleet from faltering]].



* NotSoDifferent: While it doesn't appear so at first, he's actually very similar to ''Paragon Shepard''. Both actively desire to find a way for peace between the two sides, believe the preemptive attack on the geth was unjustified, while repeatedly calling the other quarians out on their denial that it ''was'' attempted genocide and their ''[[JustAMachine stubborn refusal]]'' to see the geth as a ''sentient'' species.
* NothingPersonal: If Shepard gets Tali acquitted [[spoiler: without showing the incriminating evidence]] at her trial, he says this to Tali about the attempt to get her killed or exiled. Depending on the dialogue option chosen, Shepard doesn't buy it.
* OnlySaneMan: In ''2'', he's the only quarian Admiral (in fact, one of the few quarians in general) who wants to avoid war with the geth. He is the only Admiral who realizes that an outright war is suicidal (justified, since he's in charge of the civilian fleets). This puts him at odds with [[GeneralRipper Admirals Gerrel]] and [[MadScientist Xen]], who often mock him for being a coward (a "suit-wetter", in Han's own words) and a geth apologist. The combination of all this pressure has made him extremely frustrated and desperate, and it makes your initial impression of him in ''VideoGame/MassEffect2'' a harsh one. By the third game, he has his act together. He is also one of few quarians who thinks that their ancestors were wrong to try and exterminate the geth.

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* NotSoDifferent: While it doesn't appear so at first, he's actually very similar to ''Paragon Shepard''. Both actively desire to find a way for peace between the two sides, sides and believe the preemptive attack on the geth was unjustified, while repeatedly calling the other quarians out on their denial that it ''was'' attempted genocide and their ''[[JustAMachine stubborn refusal]]'' to see the geth as a ''sentient'' species.
* NothingPersonal: If Shepard gets Tali acquitted [[spoiler: without showing the incriminating evidence]] at her trial, he says this to Tali about the attempt to get her killed or exiled. Depending on the dialogue option chosen, Shepard doesn't can optionally refuse to buy it.
* OnlySaneMan: In ''2'', he's the only quarian Admiral (in fact, one of the few quarians in general) who wants to avoid war with the geth. He is the only Admiral who realizes that an outright war is suicidal (justified, since he's in charge of the civilian fleets). This puts him at odds with [[GeneralRipper Admirals Gerrel]] and [[MadScientist Xen]], who often mock him for being a coward and geth apologist (a "suit-wetter", in Han's own words) and a geth apologist.words). The combination of all this pressure has made him extremely frustrated and desperate, and it makes your initial impression of him in ''VideoGame/MassEffect2'' a harsh one. By the third game, he has his act together. He is also one of few quarians who thinks that their ancestors were wrong to try and exterminate the geth.



* ReasonableAuthorityFigure: Not immediately obvious in ''2'', since he seems too willing to [[KickTheDog get Tali exiled for the sake of politics]], but by ''3'' he fits this trope absolutely perfectly.
* ResignedToTheCall: [[spoiler:Should you rescue him after his crash-landing, he becomes a hero to his people, having set foot on the homeworld and lived to tell about it. He's reluctant because the entirety of the rest of his ship's crew perished in the process. Ironic, considering he thought the idea of taking back the homeworld was suicidal folly at best]].
* SenselessSacrifice: If you let him die to save his crew, it becomes harder to [[TakeAThirdOption avoid]] the GenocideDilemma later. Moreover, the death of such a high ranking figure causes morale to drop in the fleet and some civilian ships to flee, only to be butchered by the geth before they can make it to the Mass Relay, leading to thousands of senseless deaths that would not have happened had he not sacrificed himself.
* SensitiveGuyAndManlyMan: The sensitive guy to Han'Gerrel's manly man. While Gerrel is a hawkish asskicker who leads the main battle fleet and would love nothing more than to get a piece of the geth, Zaal'Koris looks out for the civilian fleet and wants nothing more than to make peace with the geth, even if that means forgoing the homeworld. He thinks the price of war is simply too high.

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* ReasonableAuthorityFigure: Not immediately obvious in ''2'', since he seems too willing to [[KickTheDog get Tali exiled for the sake of politics]], but by ''3'' he fits this trope absolutely perfectly.
just fine.
* ResignedToTheCall: [[spoiler:Should you rescue him after his crash-landing, he becomes a hero to his people, having set foot on the homeworld and lived to tell about it. He's reluctant because the entirety of the rest of his ship's crew perished in the process. Ironic, considering he thought the idea of taking back the homeworld Rannoch was suicidal folly at best]].
* SenselessSacrifice: If you let him die to save his crew, it becomes harder to [[TakeAThirdOption avoid]] the GenocideDilemma later. Moreover, the death of such a high ranking figure causes morale to drop in the fleet and some civilian ships to flee, only to be butchered by the geth before they can make it to in the Mass Relay, process, leading to thousands of senseless deaths that would not have happened had he not sacrificed himself.
otherwise.
* SensitiveGuyAndManlyMan: The sensitive guy to Han'Gerrel's manly man. While Gerrel is a hawkish asskicker who leads the main battle fleet and would love nothing more than to get a piece of the geth, Zaal'Koris Koris looks out for the civilian fleet and wants nothing more than to make peace with the geth, even if that means forgoing the homeworld. He thinks the price of war is simply too high.



* TheSoCalledCoward: Han'Gerrel views him as a coward -- a "[[BringMyBrownPants suit-wetter]]", to be precise -- because he believes in looking for a peaceful resolution to the geth conflict. [[spoiler: In actuality, Koris is an exceedingly brave man, and proves it in ''3''. He crashes his ship into a geth planetary defense gun to save civilians, and then willingly volunteers to sacrifice himself to save his crew]].
* TeethClenchedTeamwork: Some dialogue options in ''3'' make it clear Shepard still absolutely detests him for his actions at Tali's trial, but saves and works with him because Shepard believes he's still the best one available to lead the Civilian Fleet. The 'Intimidate' version of the conversation where Shepard convinces him to let himself get rescued basically consists of "CantKillYouStillNeedYou" and accusing him of being a moral coward.
* TookALevelInKindness: He's taken the complete opposite CharacterDevelopment in ''3'' than Han'Gerrel did, although this is partially because this time around, Shepard has an interest in stopping the war just like Koris does (because Shepard needs as many fleets as he/she can get to fight the Reapers, and the quarians' decision to fight the geth could potentially cause a waste of valuable quarian resources). Depending on previous interactions, if Tali is promoted to Admiral in her father's place, the two form an alliance in the concerns of the Admiralty and vote against the invasion for the same reason.

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* TheSoCalledCoward: Han'Gerrel views him as a coward -- a "[[BringMyBrownPants suit-wetter]]", to be precise -- because he believes in looking for a peaceful resolution to the geth conflict. [[spoiler: In actuality, Koris is an exceedingly brave man, and proves it in ''3''. He crashes his ship into a geth planetary defense gun to save civilians, and then willingly volunteers to sacrifice himself to save his crew]].
crew. Gerrel even tells Shepard if Koris dies that he would not have been able to accomplish the same thing]].
* TeethClenchedTeamwork: Some dialogue options in ''3'' make it clear Shepard still absolutely detests him for his actions at Tali's trial, but saves and works with him because of his strong leadership and the fact that Shepard believes he's still needs as many fleets as possible for the best one available to lead the Civilian Fleet.war effort. The 'Intimidate' version of the conversation where Shepard convinces him to let himself get rescued basically consists of "CantKillYouStillNeedYou" and accusing him of being a moral coward.
* TookALevelInKindness: He's taken the complete opposite CharacterDevelopment in ''3'' than Han'Gerrel did, although In ''3'', compared to Han'Gerrel's TookALevelInJerkass. Although this is partially because this time around, Shepard has an interest in stopping the war just like Koris does (because Shepard needs as many fleets as he/she can get to fight the Reapers, and the quarians' decision to fight the geth could potentially cause a waste of valuable quarian resources). Depending on previous interactions, if Tali is promoted to Admiral in her father's place, the two form an alliance in the concerns of the Admiralty and vote against the invasion for the same reason.



* AttackAttackAttack: Unless reined in, he ''will'' launch a full frontal assault on anything resembling a geth ship. This includes the geth dreadnought that a fellow Admiral and a hero of the fleet is aboard, and later on [[spoiler:he'll order the entire Migrant Fleet to open up on the geth fleet while they're disabled, and continue ordering the attack when they've been upgraded with advanced Reaper coding unless Tali, Shepard, Zaal'Koris, ''and'' Shala'Raan all order him to stop]].

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* AttackAttackAttack: Unless reined in, he ''will'' launch a full frontal assault on anything resembling a geth ship. This includes the geth dreadnought that a fellow Admiral and a hero of the fleet is aboard, and later on [[spoiler:he'll order the entire Migrant Fleet to open up on the geth fleet while they're disabled, and continue ordering the attack even when they've been upgraded with advanced Reaper coding unless Tali, Shepard, Zaal'Koris, Tali, Koris, ''and'' Shala'Raan Raan all order him to stop]].



-->(if Shepard keeps it a secret, then tells him about it afterwards) ''Keelah.''

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-->(if Shepard keeps it a secret, then tells him about it afterwards) ''Keelah.''



* GeneralRipper: Puts destroying the geth as a higher priority than preserving quarians lives, [[WellIntentionedExtremist because he believes doing so will be beneficial in the long run.]]
* [[spoiler: GoingDownWithTheShip: If you choose the geth in Rannoch, he stays on his ship while his crew is trying to escape.]]
* {{Jerkass}}: Seems to have switched places with Koris in ''3'', considering his over-eagerness to destroy the geth dreadnought before Shepard and crew were evacuated from it. But Gerrel and Koris never actually switched their primary goals. Shepard's ''own goal'' has switched from game to game; in ''2'', Shepard was primarily interested in exonerating Tali. Since Tali was the daughter of fellow warmonger Rael'Zorah and since Tali (initially) shared Rael's views, exonerating Tali would help Gerrel's cause and set Koris' cause back, so Gerrel is helpful to Shepard and Tali while Koris is a jerk. In ''3'', this time Shepard is gathering as many fleets as possible to take on the Reapers, so it's in Shepard's best interest that the quarians not be too busy fighting a war with the geth. So ''this'' time, Shepard's own switched goal helps Koris' cause and obstructs Gerrel's cause, so Gerrel is at odds with Shepard and Koris is on Shepard's side.
** JerkassHasAPoint: He's completely justified to dislike and distrust the geth, as the geth have been nothing but 100% hostile to all organics since the Geth War began ("Revelation" even mentions that they butchered diplomats from the Council when they tried to contact them), and gave no indication peace ever was a realistic option to begin with. It doesn't help that the only geth that have left the Veil in 300 years have been the Heretics (who the 'true' geth made no attempt to stop or even differentiate themselves from), and that the only potential shred of evidence that he's wrong in his opinions were the words of Legion... who presents no evidence for its claims and cut communications with Tali in the gap between the second and third games when she tried to set up negotiations. [[spoiler: He comes across as especially justified if Legion died in ''2'', as in that scenario there will be ''no'' peaceful option for the resolution of the quarian-geth conflict.]]

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* GeneralRipper: Puts destroying the geth as a higher priority than preserving quarians quarian lives, [[WellIntentionedExtremist because he believes doing so will be beneficial in the long run.]]
* [[spoiler: GoingDownWithTheShip: If you choose the geth in Rannoch, he stays on his ship onboard while his crew is trying tries to escape.]]
* {{Jerkass}}: Seems to have switched places with Koris in ''3'', considering his over-eagerness to destroy the geth dreadnought before Shepard and crew were evacuated from it. But Gerrel and Koris never actually switched their primary goals. Shepard's ''own goal'' has switched from game to game; in ''2'', Shepard was primarily interested in exonerating Tali. Since Tali was the daughter of fellow warmonger Rael'Zorah and since Tali (initially) shared Rael's views, exonerating Tali would help Gerrel's cause and set Koris' cause back, so Gerrel is helpful to Shepard and Tali while Koris is a jerk. In ''3'', this time Shepard is gathering as many fleets as possible to take on the Reapers, so it's in Shepard's best interest that the quarians not be too busy fighting a war with the geth. So ''this'' time, Shepard's own switched goal helps Koris' cause and obstructs Gerrel's cause, so Gerrel is at odds with Shepard and Koris is on Shepard's side.
** JerkassHasAPoint: He's completely justified to dislike and distrust the geth, as the geth who have been nothing but 100% hostile to all organics since the Geth War began ("Revelation" even mentions that they butchered diplomats from the Council when they tried to contact them), and gave no indication peace ever was a realistic option to begin with. It doesn't help that the only geth that have left the Veil in 300 years have been the Heretics (who the 'true' geth made no attempt to stop or even differentiate themselves from), and that the only potential shred of evidence that he's wrong in his opinions were the words of Legion... who presents no evidence for its claims and cut communications with Tali in the gap between the second and third games when she tried to set up negotiations. [[spoiler: He comes across as especially justified if Legion died in ''2'', as in that scenario there peace between the two sides will then be ''no'' peaceful option for the resolution of the quarian-geth conflict.impossible.]]



** JerkWithAHeartOfGold: His hatred towards the geth is motivated more by paranoia than actual malice. If Shepard can genuinely convince him that the geth will not be hostile, he backs down from attacking them after much deliberation, though arguably also out of self-preservation.. After this, he goes along with the peace while leading his Heavy Fleet alongside the geth against the Reapers

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** JerkWithAHeartOfGold: His hatred towards the geth is motivated more by paranoia than actual malice. If Shepard can genuinely convince him that the geth will not be hostile, he backs down from attacking them after much deliberation, though arguably also out of self-preservation.. self-preservation. After this, he goes along with the peace while leading his Heavy Fleet alongside the geth against the Reapers Reapers.



* LeeroyJenkins: His general strategy in battle is to order the Heavy Fleet head-on into the enemy and then warn the Civilian and Patrol Fleets that, without support, the Heavy Fleet will be wiped out.
* ManipulativeBastard: Some Gerrel's tactics reveal the admiral's cunning political mind; by forcing the attack on the geth dreadnought, he put Raan in a position where she either had to back him or risk the destruction of the whole fleet, giving him the chance to destroy the geth flagship and give the quarians a fighting chance again.

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* LeeroyJenkins: His general strategy in battle is to order the Heavy Fleet head-on into the enemy enemy, and then warn the Civilian and Patrol Fleets that, without support, the Heavy Fleet his fleet will be wiped out.
* ManipulativeBastard: Some of Gerrel's tactics reveal the admiral's cunning political mind; by forcing the attack on the geth dreadnought, he put Raan in a position where she either had to back him or risk the destruction of the whole fleet, giving him the chance to destroy the geth flagship and give the quarians a fighting chance again.



* TalkToTheFist: When Han'Gerrel orders the Migrant Fleet to [[spoiler: bombard the geth dreadnought Shepard and Tali are aboard]], the aftermath discussion gives Shepard a Renegade interrupt to gut-punch him and boot him off the ''Normandy''.
* TeethClenchedTeamwork: With Tali, Shepard and Legion in ''3'', as they don't agree with his approach in the war.

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* TalkToTheFist: When Han'Gerrel Gerrel orders the Migrant Fleet to [[spoiler: bombard the geth dreadnought Shepard and Tali are aboard]], the aftermath discussion gives Shepard a Renegade interrupt to gut-punch him and boot him off the ''Normandy''.
* TeethClenchedTeamwork: With Tali, Shepard Tali and Legion in ''3'', as they don't agree with his approach in the war.war. Shepard also generally disagree, but by how much is up to questioh.



* ChekhovsGunman: Her interest in Rael'Zorah's research. When you keep quiet about it, she'll send you a message gloating about how she plans to use it on the geth (expose what Rael did and she'll be furious). Additionally, [[spoiler: her use of Rael's research is what starts the quarian-geth war in ''Mass Effect 3'']].
* DarkIsNotEvil: . She wears a black suit, is voiced by Creator/ClaudiaBlack, is called crazy by numerous other characters, suggests dissecting Legion, and has a generally sinister air to her. She seems to be about as ObviouslyEvil as you can get. Despite this, she never actually ''does'' anything villainous, and is on the same side as Shepard and co. Even if you effectively sabotage her eventual plan to subjugate the geth via making peace between the two sides and upgrading the geth with Reaper code, she doesn't make a big deal of it and proceeds to serve with distinction in the fight against the Reapers. Originally she was supposed to attempt to sabotage the peace, but that story was cut quite early in development.

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* ChekhovsGunman: Her interest in Rael'Zorah's research. When If you keep quiet about it, it hidden, she'll send "thank" you a message gloating in an email and gloat about how she plans to use it on the geth (expose what Rael did and she'll be furious). Additionally, [[spoiler: her Her use of Rael's research is what starts the quarian-geth war in ''Mass Effect 3'']].
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* DarkIsNotEvil: . DarkIsNotEvil: She wears a black suit, is voiced by Creator/ClaudiaBlack, is commonly called crazy by numerous other characters, crazy, suggests dissecting Legion, and has a generally sinister air to her. She However, even though she seems to be about as ObviouslyEvil as you can get. Despite this, ObviouslyEvil, she never actually ''does'' anything villainous, and is on the same side as Shepard and co. Even if you effectively sabotage her eventual plan to subjugate the geth via making peace between the two sides and upgrading the geth with Reaper code, sides, she doesn't make a big deal of it and proceeds to serve with distinction in the fight against the Reapers. Originally she was supposed to attempt to sabotage the peace, but that story was cut quite early in development.



* JustAMachine: Doesn't believe at all that the geth are synthetic lifeforms, just machines that have malfunctioned, comparing them to starships (that are superior in various ways but are still just tools), and, if Shepard refers to [[spoiler: Legion's]] help beating the Collectors, she states that the same could be said of his/her pistol. [[spoiler:Thankfully, nothing seems to comes of it to jeopardize peace should you achieve it in ''3''; she just gets shipped off to the Crucible]].

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** She'll do again in ''3'', at which Shepard can either cut her off or tell her to wait until later.
* JustAMachine: Doesn't believe at all that Believes the geth are synthetic lifeforms, just malfunctioning machines that have malfunctioned, , comparing them to starships (that are superior in various ways but are still just tools), and, if Shepard refers to [[spoiler: Legion's]] help beating the Collectors, she states that the same could be said of his/her pistol. [[spoiler:Thankfully, nothing seems to comes of it to jeopardize peace should you achieve it in ''3''; she just gets shipped off to the Crucible]].



--> '''Ashley Williams:''' She's not all the way sane, is she?
* OnlySaneMan: In ''2'', she's the only Admiral at Tali's trial who's actually performing her duties correctly. While Koris and Gerrel try to score political points against each other, she's more or less objective.

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--> '''Ashley Williams:''' '''Ashley:''' She's not all the way sane, is she?
* OnlySaneMan: OnlySaneWoman: In ''2'', she's the only judging Admiral at Tali's trial who's actually performing her duties correctly. While Koris and Gerrel try to score political points against each other, she's more or less objective. Though one could argue that that's only because of her lack of interest in the trial.



* WellIntentionedExtremist: Her ultimate priority is to recover Rannoch for her people.
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: [[spoiler: The script leak included some information on her post-Rannoch fate that doesn't seem to have made it into the final product. You could confront her directly, or learn about a botched hack attempt from Hackett]].

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* WellIntentionedExtremist: Her ultimate priority is to recover Rannoch for her people.
people, and wishes for the quarians to regain control of the geth in the process.
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: [[spoiler: The An original script leak included some information on had her post-Rannoch fate that doesn't seem attempt to have sabotage peace should it be made it into between the final product.quarians and geth. You could confront her directly, or learn about a botched hack attempt from Hackett]].



* TheMourningAfter: Tali indicates that after her mother died, Rael became even more obsessed with his work. His daughter speculates this was the only way he could find to deal with his grief.
* NotSoDifferent: Rael and Miranda's father, pointed out by Shepard and Tali after Miranda kills her father. When drunk, Tali is envious of Miranda's refusal to prioritize her father's approval over her own safety or her personal ethics.

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* TheMourningAfter: Tali indicates that after her mother died, Rael became even more obsessed with his work. His daughter speculates work, likely as this was the only way he could find to deal with his grief.
* NotSoDifferent: Rael and Miranda's father, pointed out by Shepard and Tali after Miranda kills her father. When drunk, Tali is envious of Miranda's refusal to prioritize her father's approval over her own safety or her personal ethics.



* PetTheDog: Despite not having been a part of her life as much as Tali would have liked, Rael legitimately cares for his daughter. [[spoiler:He ended up torturing and performing extremely morally questionable experiments on geth partly in the name of building Tali a house on Rannoch, and it can be inferred ([[AllThereInTheManual through the comic series]]) that his extreme drive in doing this is out of a need to make up for being so distant to her.]]

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* PetTheDog: Despite not having been a part of her life as much as Tali would have liked, Rael legitimately cares for his daughter. [[spoiler:He ended up torturing and performing extremely morally questionable experiments on geth partly in the name of building Tali a house on Rannoch, and it can be inferred ([[AllThereInTheManual through the comic series]]) that his extreme drive in doing this is determination comes out of a need to make up for being so distant to her.]]



* WellIntentionedExtremist: [[spoiler: He wanted to build Tali a house on the home-world, and was prepared to torture sentient creatures in her name in order to achieve that goal]].

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* WellIntentionedExtremist: [[spoiler: He wanted to build Tali a house on the home-world, homeworld, and was prepared to torture sentient creatures in her name in order to achieve that goal]].do so]].
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Wrex's brood-brother who assumes leadership of Clan Urdnot if Wrex dies on Virmire (or if you never recruited him at all). In ''Mass Effect 3'', he either fills Wrex's role as representative of all krogan, or appears briefly as a very reluctant follower of Wrex.

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Wrex's brood-brother who assumes leadership of Clan Urdnot if Wrex dies on Virmire (or if you never recruited him at all). In ''Mass Effect 3'', he either fills Wrex's role as representative of all krogan, krogan leader, or appears briefly as a very reluctant follower of Wrex.him.



* AssholeVictim: Wrex doesn't seem to be bother of his death and says that "He was a pain in the ass anyway." Considering his jerkass attitude and [[spoiler:his intentions in the epilogue of the Extended Cut DLC if the Genophage is cured]] if he is the clan leader, Wrex is probably right.
* BloodKnight: Far more "[[DumbMuscle traditional]]" than his brother. Whereas Wrex works to create a neutral zone where all clans are welcome, Wreav only co-operates with clan Gatatog because the two of them are at a stalemate.

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* AssholeVictim: Wrex doesn't seem to be bother of actually seems relieved after his death and says that "He was a death, calling him "a pain in the ass anyway." Considering his jerkass attitude and [[spoiler:his intentions in the epilogue of the Extended Cut DLC as krogan leader if the Genophage is cured]] if he is the clan leader, cured]], Wrex is probably right.
* BloodKnight: Far more "[[DumbMuscle traditional]]" than his brother. Whereas Wrex works to create a neutral zone where all clans are welcome, Wreav only co-operates with clan Gatatog because the two of them are at a stalemate.



* TheCakeIsALie: The promise of the genophage cure.[[spoiler: Shepard can promise ending the genophage in exchange for Wreav and the krogan joining the fight against the Reapers. However it's possible to merely fake curing the krogan for his help. Wreav will be utterly oblivious he's getting nothing in return for all the warriors he's providing until the very moment he returns home to find no victory party.]]
* DemotedToExtra: If Wrex survived Virmire, he doesn't even appear until the third game... and then only for one mission.

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* TheCakeIsALie: The promise of the genophage cure. [[spoiler: Shepard can promise ending the genophage in exchange for Wreav and the krogan joining the fight against the Reapers. However it's possible to merely fake curing sabotage the krogan for his help. cure, and Wreav will be utterly oblivious he's getting nothing in return for all the warriors he's providing until the very moment he returns home to find no victory party.]]
* DemotedToExtra: If Wrex survived Virmire, he He doesn't even appear until the third game... game if Wrex survived Virmire... and is then only for one mission.killed shortly after.



* EnemyMine: If he's the Krogan leader in ''3'', then his interactions with any of the other races are this. It's made clear that he's almost certainly going to use the Genophage cure to bolster Krogan forces and attack/threaten the rest of the galaxy when they're weak after the Reaper war.

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* EnemyMine: If he's the Krogan krogan leader in ''3'', then his interactions with any of the other races are this. It's made clear that he's almost certainly going to use the Genophage cure to bolster Krogan krogan forces and attack/threaten the rest of the galaxy when they're weak after the Reaper war.



* EvenEvilHasStandards: He apparently disapproves -- or would disapprove -- of [[spoiler:Maelon's]] experiments, forcing him to turn to Clan Weyrloc.

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* EvenEvilHasStandards: He apparently disapproves -- or would disapprove -- of [[spoiler:Maelon's]] experiments, forcing him to turn to Clan Weyrloc. However, like Wrex, [[{{Hypocrite}} he's angry if Shepard destroys the data]].



* MauveShirt: [[spoiler:If Wrex is still alive, Wreav's tomkah gets consumed by Kalros during the Tuchanka finale mission in ''3'']].

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* MauveShirt: [[spoiler:If [[spoiler: If Wrex is still alive, Wreav's tomkah gets consumed by Kalros during the Tuchanka finale mission in ''3'']].



** On the other hand if the genophage is not cured, and Wreav is tricked into providing aid in the fight against the Reapers, the krogan can take part in the greatest victory in galactic history but are no closer to escaping their extinction and Wreav returns home to zero fanfare.

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** On the other hand if the genophage is not cured, and Wreav ([[spoiler:unlike Wrex]]) is tricked into providing aid in the fight against the Reapers, the Reapers. The krogan can take part partake in the greatest victory in galactic history but are no closer to escaping their extinction and Wreav returns home to zero fanfare.



* ShutUpHannibal: Once by Wrex (with a headbutt), once by Eve (with her moral suasion).
* SmugSnake: Spends much of ''3'' trying to threaten Shepard. He basically exists to tell the player "You screwed up and now you're stuck with this guy instead of Wrex." Despite this, he does have a grudging respect for Shepard, but only Shepard, [[EnemiesEqualsGreatness due to the enemies s/he's made]]. Everyone else -- squadmembers, [=NPCs=], politicians -- he treats like dirt. He also bites his tongue around Eve, but only because she's in a position to cause him trouble if he doesn't play nice with her.

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* ShutUpHannibal: Once by By Wrex (with a headbutt), once and then by Eve (with her moral suasion).
* SmugSnake: Spends much of ''3'' trying to threaten Shepard. He basically exists to tell the player "You screwed up and now you're stuck with this guy instead of Wrex." Despite this, he does have a grudging respect for Shepard, but only Shepard, [[EnemiesEqualsGreatness due to the enemies s/he's made]]. Everyone else -- squadmembers, [=NPCs=], politicians -- he treats like dirt. He also bites his tongue around Eve, but only because she's in a position to cause him trouble if he doesn't play nice with her.



* TryNotToDie: Before you try to summon Kalros; it's the most concern he ever shows for you and your team.

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* TryNotToDie: Before you try to summon Kalros; it's the most concern he ever shows for you and your team.team (provided he doesn't completely distrust Shepard).



* UnwittingPawn: Shepard can secure Wreav's help to bring the Turians into the fight and get krogan boots on earth too, all without actually providing anything in return. [[spoiler: By the time Wreav learns of the fake genophage betrayal, he's in no position to retaliate and has likely lost the support of all who followed him.]] What's worse is Wreav's attitude practically ''encourages'' betraying him for the greater good in the long run, especially if Eve is no longer there to restrain him, as curing the krogan just means another inevitable galactic war on the horizon. [[spoiler: In fact sabotaging the genophage cure also earns the full support of the salarian leadership too.]]

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* UnwittingPawn: Shepard can secure Wreav's help to bring the Turians turians into the fight and get krogan boots on earth too, all without actually providing anything in return. [[spoiler: By the time Wreav learns of the fake genophage betrayal, he's in no position to retaliate and has likely lost the support of all who followed him.]] What's worse is Wreav's attitude practically ''encourages'' betraying him for the greater good in the long run, especially if Eve is no longer there to restrain him, as curing the krogan just means another inevitable galactic war on the horizon. [[spoiler: In fact sabotaging the genophage cure also earns the full support of the salarian leadership too.]]
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