History MassEffect2AntagonistsAndNpcs / NonCouncilSpace

12th Feb '17 9:31:12 PM MM_Crusader
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* AssholeVictim: Wrex doesn't seem to be bother of his death and says that "He was a pain in the ass anyway." Considering his jerkass attitude and [[spoiler:his intentions in the epilogue of the Extended Cut DLC if the Genophage is cured]] if he is the clan leader, Wrex is probably right.
12th Feb '17 5:57:01 AM LampUnderTheTable
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* NeverMessWithGranny: In the novel ''Mass Effect: Retribution'' Aria reflects to herself that she's survived for "... over a thousand years." Since this is her internal monologue, there is no reason to suspect she's lying. Being over 1,000 years old puts her clearly in the Matriarch stage of her life and makes her old even by asari and krogan standards. Even though ''Mass Effect'' takes place in the future, Aria would have been born at least when ''Genghis Khan'' was alive on Earth.

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* NeverMessWithGranny: In the novel ''Mass Effect: Retribution'' Retribution'', Aria reflects to herself that she's survived for "... over a thousand years." Since this is her internal monologue, there is no reason to suspect she's lying. Being over 1,000 years old puts her clearly in the Matriarch stage of her life and makes her old even by asari and krogan standards. Even though ''Mass Effect'' takes place in the future, Aria would have been born at least when ''Genghis Khan'' was alive on Earth.
11th Feb '17 3:17:22 PM LampUnderTheTable
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* NeverMessWithGranny: In the novel ''Mass Effect: Retribution'' Aria reflects to herself that she's survived for "... over a thousand years." Since this is her internal monologue, there is no reason to suspect she's lying. Being over 1,000 years old puts her clearly in the Matriarch stage of her life and makes her old even by asari and krogan standards. Even though ''Mass Effect'' takes place in the future, Aria would have been born when ''Genghis Khan was ruling the Mongols'' on Earth.

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* NeverMessWithGranny: In the novel ''Mass Effect: Retribution'' Aria reflects to herself that she's survived for "... over a thousand years." Since this is her internal monologue, there is no reason to suspect she's lying. Being over 1,000 years old puts her clearly in the Matriarch stage of her life and makes her old even by asari and krogan standards. Even though ''Mass Effect'' takes place in the future, Aria would have been born at least when ''Genghis Khan Khan'' was ruling the Mongols'' alive on Earth.
11th Feb '17 1:32:41 PM MissMokushiroku
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* [[BadassGrandpa Badass Grandma]]: The novel ''Mass Effect: Retribution'' Aria reflects to herself that she hasn't survived for "... over a thousand years." Since this is her internal monologue there is no reason to suspect she's lying. Being over 1,000 years old puts her clearly in the Matriarch stage of her life and makes her old even by Asari and Krogan standards. Especially once you consider that, even though Mass Effect takes place in the future, Aria would have been born when ''Genghis Khan was ruling the Mongols'' on Earth.


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* NeverMessWithGranny: In the novel ''Mass Effect: Retribution'' Aria reflects to herself that she's survived for "... over a thousand years." Since this is her internal monologue, there is no reason to suspect she's lying. Being over 1,000 years old puts her clearly in the Matriarch stage of her life and makes her old even by asari and krogan standards. Even though ''Mass Effect'' takes place in the future, Aria would have been born when ''Genghis Khan was ruling the Mongols'' on Earth.
11th Feb '17 1:27:18 PM LampUnderTheTable
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* [[BadassGrandpa Badass Grandma]]: The novel ''Mass Effect: Retribution'' Aria reflects to herself that she hasn't survived for "... over a thousand years." Since this is her internal monologue there is no reason to suspect she's lying. Being over 1,000 years old puts her clearly in the Matriarch stage of her life and makes her old even by Asari and Krogan standards. Especially once you consider that, even though Mass Effect takes place in the future, Aria would have been born when ''Genghis Khan was ruling the Mongols'' on Earth.
17th Jan '17 1:53:06 PM Forenperser
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** JerkWithAHeartOfGold: He's not completely without redeeming qualities. In addition to his desire to seek peace with the geth, he makes it clear that he has nothing personal against Tali and respects her greatly. [[BlatantLies Though this does nothing to dissuade him from robbing her of her lawful rights and trying to get her and her friends killed.]] If you ask him about the Admirals' infighting after the first part of the trial, he'll apologize for letting it interfere with the proceedings. After you get Tali off, he'll thank Shepard for being there for her when the Admiralty board wasn't. Yeah, he's kind of a dick, but underneath it all he's a genuinely good person.

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** JerkWithAHeartOfGold: He's not completely without redeeming qualities. In addition to his desire to seek peace with the geth, he makes it clear that he has nothing personal against Tali and respects her greatly. [[BlatantLies Though this does nothing to dissuade him from robbing her of her lawful rights and trying to get her and her friends killed.]] If you ask him about the Admirals' infighting after the first part of the trial, he'll apologize for letting it interfere with the proceedings. After you get Tali off, he'll thank Shepard for being there for her when the Admiralty board wasn't. Yeah, he's kind of a dick, but underneath it all he's a genuinely good person.



* KickTheDog: The fact that he's essentially willing to exile Tali, who is innocent, just for political gain does not put a favorable first impression on him, although he is well-intentioned and later sees that he was in error.
** He both forces Tali to be renamed "vas Normandy" (meaning the Neema's captain can't defend her at her trial) ''and'' objects when the captain of the Normandy is brought out to defend her. Meaning his goal was to leave her with zero representation at the court.
** During the trial, he essentially gives Tali the choice between exile or an honorable death by retaking the Alari. When Shepard, Tali, and the third squadmate return, they find Koris telling the other admirals that the three surely died and the admirals should proceed with the trial without them (before they bust in), showing he genuinely thought this would kill not only her, but Shepard and an unconnected third person as well. This doesn't seem to bother him too much.
** His immediately folding to pressure if Shepard chooses the "Rally the Crowd" option, as well as his many attempts to undermine the fairness of the trial before it begins (like trying to leave Tali without a lawyer at all) rather than just rely on evidence and logic, makes it very doubtful that he actually believed his own accusations to begin with.
** After he believes Tali and Shepard have been killed on the Alaeri, he smugly boasts about their deaths and tries to get Tali disgraced and exiled posthumously ''anyway'' out of spite, shocking the rest of the Admiralty Board.



** In a variant, Gerrel was actually correct to call him a coward- but his cowardice is moral rather than physical. [[spoiler: Renegade Shepard points out that his desire to martyr himself for his men, in addition to leading to more deaths down the line, would conveniently leave him remembered as a hero while allowing him to shirk his responsibilities for commanding his fleet in war time and saving the people on it. To his credit, if confronted on it directly, Koris will concede to Shepard's reasoning.]] He also backs down from his supposedly heartfelt stance that Tali is a danger to the fleet and guilty of treason ''immediately'' after Shepard rallies the crowd to Tali's side by pointing out his lack of evidence. His backing down in the face of discontent from the crowd comes off as a clear attempt to salvage his reputation.



** JerkWithAHeartOfGold: His hatred towards the geth is motivated more by paranoia than actual malice. If Shepard can genuinely convince him that the geth will not be hostile, he backs down from attacking them after much deliberation. [[spoiler: Note that this has nothing to do with self-preservation on his part, as him proceeding with the attack if Shepard doesn't convince him the geth can be peaceful shows he was under the impression that he had the advantage.]] After this, he goes along with the peace while leading his Heavy Fleet alongside the geth against the Reapers

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** JerkWithAHeartOfGold: His hatred towards the geth is motivated more by paranoia than actual malice. If Shepard can genuinely convince him that the geth will not be hostile, he backs down from attacking them after much deliberation. [[spoiler: Note that this has nothing to do with self-preservation on his part, as him proceeding with the attack if Shepard doesn't convince him the geth can be peaceful shows he was under the impression that he had the advantage.]] deliberation, though arguably also out of self-preservation.. After this, he goes along with the peace while leading his Heavy Fleet alongside the geth against the Reapers



* RevengeBeforeReason: Well intentions or not, the conflict with the Geth clearly also has a personal stain for him, which causes his GeneralRipper tendencies to get the better of him sometimes.



* TeethClenchedTeamwork: With Tali, Shepard and Legion in ''3'', as they don't agree with his approach in the war.



* DarkIsNotEvil: She wears a black suit, is voiced by Creator/ClaudiaBlack, is called crazy by numerous other characters, suggests dissecting Legion, and has a generally sinister air to her. She seems to be about as ObviouslyEvil as you can get. Despite this, she never actually ''does'' anything villainous, and is on the same side as Shepard and co. Even if you effectively sabotage her eventual plan to subjugate the geth via making peace between the two sides and upgrading the geth with Reaper code, she doesn't make a big deal of it and proceeds to serve with distinction in the fight against the Reapers. Originally she was supposed to attempt to sabotage the peace, but that story was cut quite early in development.

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* DarkIsNotEvil: DarkIsNotEvil: . She wears a black suit, is voiced by Creator/ClaudiaBlack, is called crazy by numerous other characters, suggests dissecting Legion, and has a generally sinister air to her. She seems to be about as ObviouslyEvil as you can get. Despite this, she never actually ''does'' anything villainous, and is on the same side as Shepard and co. Even if you effectively sabotage her eventual plan to subjugate the geth via making peace between the two sides and upgrading the geth with Reaper code, she doesn't make a big deal of it and proceeds to serve with distinction in the fight against the Reapers. Originally she was supposed to attempt to sabotage the peace, but that story was cut quite early in development.
9th Jan '17 9:12:41 AM infernape612
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* UnPerson: [[spoiler:If the truth of his actions is revealed to the public, Rael is posthumously exiled, and hs name is struck from the register of every ship he served on. As far as anyone else is concerned, Rael never existed.]]

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* UnPerson: [[spoiler:If the truth of his actions is revealed to the public, Rael is posthumously exiled, and hs his name is struck from the register of every ship he served on. As far as anyone else is concerned, Rael never existed.]]
9th Jan '17 9:07:04 AM infernape612
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* SenselessSacrifice: If you let him die to save his crew, it becomes harder to [[TakeAThirdOption avoid]] the GenocideDilemma later. Moreover, the death of such a high ranking figure causes morale to drop in the fleet and some civilian ships to flee, only to be butchered by the geth before they can make it to the Mass Relay, leading tho thousands of senseless deaths that would not have happened had he not sacrificed himself.

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* SenselessSacrifice: If you let him die to save his crew, it becomes harder to [[TakeAThirdOption avoid]] the GenocideDilemma later. Moreover, the death of such a high ranking figure causes morale to drop in the fleet and some civilian ships to flee, only to be butchered by the geth before they can make it to the Mass Relay, leading tho to thousands of senseless deaths that would not have happened had he not sacrificed himself.
16th Dec '16 2:17:41 PM MonsieurThenardier
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* GeneralRipper: He ''will not stop'' until the geth are ''gone''.

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* GeneralRipper: He ''will not stop'' until Puts destroying the geth are ''gone''.as a higher priority than preserving quarians lives, [[WellIntentionedExtremist because he believes doing so will be beneficial in the long run.]]



*** Siding with him over Raan in their argument results in him [[WeHaveReserves sacrificing a bunch of frigates]], which ultimately allows him to save other, more important ships. This results in a net gain of war assets +35 for the Heavy Fleet. Jerk or not, he knows what he's doing when it comes to commanding a battle fleet.



* DarkIsNotEvil: She wears a black suit, is voiced by Creator/ClaudiaBlack, is called crazy by numerous other characters, suggests dissecting Legion, and has a generally sinister air to her. She seems to be about as ObviouslyEvil as you can get. Despite this, she never actually ''does'' anything villainous, and is on the same side as Shepard and co. Even if you effectively sabotage her eventual plan to subjugate the geth via making peace between the two sides and upgrading the geth with Reaper code, she doesn't make a big deal of it and proceeds to serve with distinction in the fight against the Reapers. Originally she was supposed to attempt to sabotage the peace, but that story was cut quite early in development.



* OnlySaneMan: In ''2'', she's the only Admiral at Tali's trial who's actually performing her duties correctly. While Koris and Gerrel try to score political points against each other, she's more or less objective and interested in what actually happened.

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* OnlySaneMan: In ''2'', she's the only Admiral at Tali's trial who's actually performing her duties correctly. While Koris and Gerrel try to score political points against each other, she's more or less objective and interested in what actually happened.objective.
16th Dec '16 9:05:11 AM MonsieurThenardier
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* WellIntentionedExtremist: In ''2'', he reveals that he believes Tali and Shepard about the Reaper threat (and is one of the few people in any position of authority to do so), and justifies the need to go to war with the geth by claiming that without a planet to shelter their noncombatants, the quarians would be unable to devote the full force of their fleet to the fight against the Reapers. In ''3'' he only attacks the geth because he believes that there is no other way to get back Rannoch and save his race, and also because he believes they're allies of the Reapers. He can be convinced to change this ways.

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* WellIntentionedExtremist: In ''2'', he reveals that he believes Tali and Shepard about the Reaper threat (and is one of the few people in any position of authority to do so), and justifies the need to go to war with the geth by claiming that without a planet to shelter their noncombatants, the quarians would be unable to devote the full force of their fleet to the fight against the Reapers. In ''3'' he only attacks the geth because he believes that there is no other way to get back Rannoch and save his race, and also because he believes they're allies of the Reapers. He can be He'll back down if convinced to change this ways.that peace is a realistic option.
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