History MassEffect2AntagonistsAndNpcs / CouncilSpace

15th Apr '16 2:31:57 PM Contevent
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** Another argument among players about the decision about the Collector station was based on the theme of ''earning'' your advancement. Some may see preserving the collector base similar as uplifting themselves with tech they don't "deserve" like the Krogan did thanks to the Salarians, with disastrous consequences. Others tend to argue that the galaxy is on the brink of annihilation and humanity needs to take risks. While the game favor the first argument, after all the Mass Relays are specifically an impossibly clever trap that begins with giving Species the Mass Effect technology, TIM's breakthrough in Horizon does seems to take the Reaper by surprise. Whether TIM would have eventually be successful or not may never be known.
23rd Mar '16 8:26:11 AM outlander2012
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* GrievousHarmWithABody: Asks Shepard to rein in [[spoiler: Konrad Verner]] before she decides to beat him to death with his own spine.



* FlatWhat: Says one when Thane explains that it was [[spoiler: his fault Irikah died, that her killers went after her to get to Thane]].




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-->'''Thane''': You're angry because I wasn't there when your mother died.
-->'''Kolyat''': You weren't there when she was ''alive''! Why would you be there when she died?!


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* DidYouJustFlipOffCthulhu: [[spoiler: Reveals in 3 that he refused the Illusive Man's demands to restart Overlord by finding a replacement for David and handed in his resignation by telling his employer that if ''"his intention was to deal with the Devil, he only had to look in the mirror"''. The Illusive Man's response was to put a price on Archer's head]].


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-->'''Archer''': ''[talking to Shepard]'' I know you think I'm a monster, and you're right.


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-->'''Archer''': Not a day goes by where my dreams aren't haunted by what I did to [[spoiler: David]]. All I can do is hope that one day he forgives me.
12th Jan '16 5:30:57 PM AnotherGuy
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-->'''Aethyta:''' Thanks for taking care of that crazy guy. Saves me having to beat him to death with his own spine. That makes the other customers nervous.
12th Jan '16 5:28:16 PM AnotherGuy
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-->'''Aethyta:''' If it's all civilized, you're not doing it right.

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-->'''Aethyta:''' [[Creator/MaeWest If it's all civilized, you're not doing it right. right.]]
10th Dec '15 12:14:03 PM generalzod39
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* [[spoiler:Fightingfromtheinside: A Paragon Shepard can help The Illusive Man realize he is indoctrinated. He starts to noticeably struggle more and more to justify his actions almost as if he is in physical pain. Continue this path can finally help him break their control long enough for him to kill himself.]]

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* [[spoiler:Fightingfromtheinside: FightingFromTheInside: [[spoiler: A Paragon Shepard can help The Illusive Man realize he is indoctrinated. He starts to noticeably struggle more and more to justify his actions almost as if he is in physical pain. Continue this path can finally help him break their control long enough for him to kill himself.]]
8th Aug '15 11:46:02 PM tropelion
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*** Granted, yet it's not about whether he keeps his tendencies, it's about how he has sex with several high profile celebrities in one week; something that would draw attention to himself when he is someone who would not want attention drawn to himself as the head of a covert terrorist organization (since Paparazzi would likely be following these famous women). It would be like Osama Bin Laden occasionally coming out of hiding to sleep with Hollywood A-list Celebrities.

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*** Granted, yet it's not about whether he keeps his tendencies, it's about how he has sex with several high profile celebrities in one week; something that would draw attention to himself when he is someone who would not want attention drawn to himself as the head of a covert terrorist organization (since Paparazzi would likely be following these famous women). It would be like if Osama Bin Laden occasionally coming came out of hiding to sleep with A-list Hollywood A-list Celebrities.
8th Aug '15 11:14:36 PM tropelion
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**** It's not about whether he keeps his tendencies, it's about how he has sex with several high profile celebrities in one week; something that would draw attention to himself, and he is someone who would not want attention drawn to himself as the head of a covert terrorist organization (since Paparazzi would be following these famous women). It would be like Osama Bin Laden trying to sleep with Hollywood A-list Celebrities.

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**** It's *** Granted, yet it's not about whether he keeps his tendencies, it's about how he has sex with several high profile celebrities in one week; something that would draw attention to himself, and himself when he is someone who would not want attention drawn to himself as the head of a covert terrorist organization (since Paparazzi would likely be following these famous women). It would be like Osama Bin Laden trying occasionally coming out of hiding to sleep with Hollywood A-list Celebrities.
8th Aug '15 10:57:30 PM tropelion
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**** It's not about whether he keeps his tendencies, it's about how he has sex with several high profile celebrities in one week; something that would draw attention to himself, and he is someone who would not want attention drawn to himself as the head of a covert terrorist organization (since Paparazzi would be following these famous women). It would be like Osama Bin Laden trying to sleep with Hollywood A-list Celebrities.
7th Aug '15 8:50:52 PM RainbowPhoenix
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*** He claimed that Liara couldn't be trusted because she was working for the Shadow Broker, when the truth was the exact opposite. However, he later goes back on this and actually provides Shepard with intel that results in the Shadow Broker's downfall.

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*** He claimed that Liara couldn't be trusted because she was working for the Shadow Broker, when the truth was the exact opposite. However, he later goes back on this and actually provides Shepard with intel that results in the Shadow Broker's downfall.downfall, giving him the opening to try to take Liara down once she was no longer useful.
1st Aug '15 3:42:28 AM NanoMoose
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* DrivenToSuicide: [[spoiler:If you fail to save David, just keep quiet about it to make him squirm, or resolve the geth issue without ever doing the DLC, meaning what he did was completely pointless]], he pulls out a pistol and walks away to "escape from this nightmare." [[SoundOnlyDeath You hear a shot a second later.]]

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* DrivenToSuicide: [[spoiler:If you fail to save David, just keep quiet about it to make him squirm, or resolve the geth issue without ever doing the DLC, meaning what he did was completely pointless]], he pulls out a pistol and walks away to "escape from this nightmare." [[SoundOnlyDeath You hear a shot gunshot a second later.]]



* HeelRealization: [[spoiler:He eventually realizes the awfulness of what he did; when the Illusive Man asks him to do a second Project Overlord, Gavin tells him that "if he wanted to find the devil, he need only look in the mirror." Subsequently, he quits Cerberus, destroys his research notes and hardware, and is among the ex-Cerberus scientists that Jacob is protecting. If you go so far as to screw with him or let David die or resolve the geth issue without saving David, he commits suicide]].
* KickTheSonOfABitch: [[spoiler:Him getting his face smashed by ''Paragon'' Shepard was well deserved]].

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* HeelRealization: [[spoiler:He eventually realizes the awfulness horror of what he did; when the Illusive Man asks him to do a second Project Overlord, Gavin tells him that "if he wanted to find the devil, he need only look in the mirror." Subsequently, he quits Cerberus, destroys his research notes and hardware, and is among the ex-Cerberus scientists that Jacob is protecting. If you go so far as to screw with him or let David die or resolve the geth issue without saving David, he commits suicide]].
* KickTheSonOfABitch: [[spoiler:Him getting his face smashed by ''Paragon'' Shepard was well deserved]].well-deserved]].



* PistolWhipping: Delivered to him by ''[[OOCIsSeriousBusinessParagon]]'' Shepard.
* PoliticallyIncorrectVillain: He callously experiments on and exploits his [[spoiler:his autistic brother David]] (one flashback scene shows him using him as a ''dictation device''), which brings to mind all too real issues of the discrimination and abuse people with mental illnesses suffer.

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* PistolWhipping: Delivered to him by ''[[OOCIsSeriousBusinessParagon]]'' ''[[OOCIsSeriousBusiness Paragon]]'' Shepard.
* PoliticallyIncorrectVillain: He callously experiments on and exploits his [[spoiler:his autistic brother David]] (one flashback scene shows him using him as a ''dictation device''), which brings to mind all too real all-too-real issues of the discrimination and abuse people with mental illnesses and neurodivergent outlooks suffer.
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