History MassEffect2AntagonistsAndNpcs / CouncilSpace

11th Aug '17 10:09:08 PM Toadofsteel
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* CowboyCop: Bailey compares policing the Wards to [[UsefulNotes/NewYorkCityCops patrolling New York City]], and prepares himself and his officers accordingly.
25th Jul '17 12:19:01 AM MetroidPeter
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* MemeticBadass: InUniverse.

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* MemeticBadass: InUniverse.InUniverse, though Shepard is rather unimpressed.
--> '''Shepard''': I've been in the "club" for 3 years now.



* NoCelebritiesWereHarmed: In-universe, he takes a lot of Shepard's traits. He's a badass Spectre who doesn't play by the rules, tried to warn the Council about the Reapers and killed Sovereign in the Battle for the Citadel. His next movie involves him curing the genophage. Shepard does not find this amusing.

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* NoCelebritiesWereHarmed: In-universe, he takes a lot of Shepard's traits. He's a badass Spectre who doesn't play by the rules, tried to warn the Council about the Reapers and killed Sovereign in the Battle for the Citadel. His next movie involves him curing the genophage. Shepard does not find this amusing.thinks he's just a "big stupid jellyfish".


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--> '''Shepard''': Uh, THIS one is the hero of the Citadel! I'll handle this.\\
'''Blasto''': This one insists! (shove)\\
'''Shepard''': (shoves him back even harder) This one DOESN'T CARE!!!
1st Jul '17 7:49:09 PM MinisterOfSinister
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%%* BodyHorror: [[spoiler:His cybernetic implants during the final confrontation.]]

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%%* * BodyHorror: [[spoiler:His cybernetic implants during the final confrontation.confrontation, which have [[EvilMakesYouMonstrous twisted and warped most of his visible skin and cause him to look sorta like a Husk]].]]



%%* DirtyOldMan: See ReallyGetsAround.



* HiddenAgendaVillain: He's trying to make humanity dominant in the galaxy. Beyond that, not even Miranda, his most loyal agent, has any idea what he wants. [[spoiler:The third game reveals that he's looking for a way to control the Reapers.]]

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* HiddenAgendaVillain: He's trying to make humanity dominant in the galaxy. Beyond that, not even Miranda, his most loyal agent, has any idea what he wants. [[spoiler:The [[spoiler:In the third game reveals that he's game, he shows a solidly-formed one: looking for a way to control the Reapers.]]



* ItsAllAboutMe: "Cerberus ''is'' humanity!"



%%* NonActionBigBad: In every appearance with him as an antagonist.

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%%* * NonActionBigBad: In every appearance with him as an antagonist.antagonist. He never takes to the battlefield himself in these appearances, instead sending his lackeys to do all the heavy lifting. Justified because his real strengths are [[TheCharmer his charisma]], [[Fiction500 his vast monetary resources]] and [[TheChessmaster his ability to manipulate people]], and with a number of powerful specialists and a whole army of EliteMooks at his disposal, there's no reason to take to the field himself.



* ReallyGetsAround: According to his Shadow Broker dossier, he's something of a [[ThePornomancer pornomancer]], though [[EmpoweredBadassNormal there could be one]], [[RuleOfCool two reasons for that]].

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* ReallyGetsAround: According to his Shadow Broker dossier, he's something of a [[ThePornomancer pornomancer]], though [[EmpoweredBadassNormal there could be one]], maybe [[RuleOfCool two reasons for that]].



%%* StartOfDarkness: ''ComicBook/MassEffectEvolution''.

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%%* * StartOfDarkness: ''ComicBook/MassEffectEvolution''.The events of ''ComicBook/MassEffectEvolution'' detail his.



--> '''The Catalyst:''': Yes but he could never have taken control, because we already controlled him.
%%* UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans: In this case, utopia = human dominance.

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--> '''The Catalyst:''': Catalyst:''' Yes but he could never have taken control, because we already controlled him.
%%* * UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans: In this case, utopia = human dominance.His grand Utopian vision is that of galaxy where humanity is in charge and never has to fear being threatened or dominated by another race ever again. There are very few (if any) lengths he'll not go to in the name of realizing that vision.



* AffablyEvil: He's awfully polite to Shepard despite being a smuggler and drug-peddeler. If you give him the proof of his criminal activities rather than turn it over to Detective Anaya, he'll compliment your advice to not write it down when he's doing something illegal, and notes that Shepard is a better criminal than him.



--> '''Shepard''': It sounds like you're a swindler and your actions have finally caught up with you.\\
'''Pitne''': True and true.

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--> '''Shepard''': '''Shepard:''' It sounds like you're a swindler and your actions have finally caught up with you.\\
'''Pitne''': '''Pitne:''' True and true.



* VillainHasAPoint: He forewarns you that all members of the Eclipse Sisterhood are cold-blooded killers who commit a murder to earn their uniform. This information becomes pertinent during your encounter with Elnora, an initiate of the Sisterhood who claims not to have understood what they were really like but is pulling a FalseInnocenceTrick on you and was in fact responsible for the killing of Pitne's murdered partner.



--> '''Garrus''': Betrayal repayed, Sidonis.

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--> '''Garrus''': '''Garrus:''' Betrayal repayed, repaid, Sidonis.



--> '''Garrus''': He still has his life!\\
'''Shepard''': Look at him, Garrus. He's not alive. There's nothing left to kill.

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--> '''Garrus''': '''Garrus:''' He still has his life!\\
'''Shepard''': '''Shepard:''' Look at him, Garrus. He's not alive. There's nothing left to kill.



* IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim: It's more, "If You Kill Him, You Will Completely Lose Yourself", but Paragon Shepard spends the mission trying to convince Garrus that it's not like him to be so intent on killing his former friend. What truly separates the Paragon approaches for Garrus's loyalty mission and Zaeed's mission are a difference of 20 years. Wheras Zaeed had only recently met Shepard and before that had spent 20 years hunting down the man whom he thought was his friend, Garrus was friends with Shepard before, and had only recently turned to vigilantism. As a result, it's unnecessary to charm Garrus into realizing that he was only out for revenge like it takes with Zaeed, as Garrus knows and trusts Shepard enough that he can let it go on his own.

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* IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim: It's more, "If You Kill Him, You Will Completely Lose Yourself", but Paragon Shepard spends the mission trying to convince Garrus that it's not like him to be so intent on killing his former friend. What truly separates the Paragon approaches for Garrus's loyalty mission and Zaeed's mission are a difference of 20 years. Wheras Whereas Zaeed had only recently met Shepard and before that had spent 20 years hunting down the man whom he thought was his friend, Garrus was friends with Shepard before, and had only recently turned to vigilantism. As a result, it's unnecessary to charm Garrus into realizing that he was only out for revenge like it takes with Zaeed, as Garrus knows and trusts Shepard enough that he can let it go on his own.



-->'''Sidonis''': No more sleepless nights...\\
'''Garrus''': For either of us, Sidonis.

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-->'''Sidonis''': -->'''Sidonis:''' No more sleepless nights...\\
'''Garrus''': '''Garrus:''' For either of us, Sidonis.



-->'''Shepard''': I'm the only thing standing between you and a hole in the head.\\
'''Sidonis''': ...''Fuck''.

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-->'''Shepard''': -->'''Shepard:''' I'm the only thing standing between you and a hole in the head.\\
'''Sidonis''': ...'''Sidonis:''' ...''Fuck''.



-->'''Shepard''': Hostages only work when your enemy cares that they live.

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-->'''Shepard''': -->'''Shepard:''' Hostages only work when your enemy cares that they live. live.\\
'''Thane:''' ...Interesting solution.



* CallingTheOldManOut: He's really got it out for his father when you show up.



* DueToTheDead: [[spoiler:If you completed Thane's loyalty mission and Thane survived until the Citadel Coup, Kolyat will be there at his side during his death, during which he will say prayers for his father and Shepard to see them to the afterlife. In ''Citadel'', he asks Shepard to hold a memorial ceremony for Thane at their apartment.]]



* HiddenDepths: Despite the hatred he's built up for Thane, it's generally implied he doesn't want to. He notes that he used to look up to his father as a child, and Shepard can propose that his attempts to become a ProfessionalKiller are an attempt to feel closer to Thane, which is the latter's greatest fear. If you get him out of trouble, Captain Bailey can get him running vigilante for a time, before he takes a more legitimate job after ''2'' and he cements his positive turnabout by becoming a priest of the Drell Religion, which Thane notes is exceedingly rare among young drell nowadays.
* MoralityPet: Together with his mother, for Thane. Thane's greatest wish as a father is that [[EvilParentsWantGoodKids Kolyat will not follow his path and become a good man]].



* RebuiltPedestal: This speech from ''Citadel'' sums up his new feelings about his father nicely.
-->'''Kolyat:''' When I was little, I thought my father had it all figured out. He said men must be [[TrueCompanions loyal to their friends]] and [[PayEvilUntoEvil dangerous to their enemies]]. But when he prevented me from... from hurting someone, he had changed. He said enemies and ego are not as important as loved ones. [[CallingTheOldManOut I didn't want to hear it.]] I was... lost. [[ParentalHypocrisy I called him a hypocrite in a thousand different ways]], said that [[VirtueIsWeakness he was going soft]]. Now... I think maybe he did have it all figured out.



-->'''Thane''': You're angry because I wasn't there when your mother died.
-->'''Kolyat''': You weren't there when she was ''alive''! Why would you be there when she died?!

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-->'''Thane''': -->'''Thane:''' You're angry because I wasn't there when your mother died.
-->'''Kolyat''':
died.\\
'''Kolyat:'''
You weren't there when she was ''alive''! Why would you be there when she died?!



* FatalFlaw: In ''2'', his desire for vindication. You can already see the signs of him realising how badly things have gone and the horror of his own actions, such as him looking wistfully at a picture of him with his brother David, both smiling, and his comment about "Man's reach exceeding his grasp" at the start of the DLC, but he [[DirtyCoward lacks the moral fortitude]] to be completely upfront about what happened at Overlord and to admit to himself and others that it was not worth it, even if "It all seemed harmless." [[spoiler:Even at the end, when the monstrosity of his actions is screaming at him from his brother's torturous position, he still wants to keep doing what's he's been doing to get something out of it all.]] Later averted in ''3'', [[spoiler:at which point he's all done rationalizing, and if the Paragon ending was picked what he wants most is to know that his brother is alright]].



* HeelRealization: [[spoiler:He eventually realizes the horror of what he did; when the Illusive Man asks him to do a second Project Overlord, telling him that "if he wanted to find the devil, he need only look in the mirror." Subsequently, he quits Cerberus, destroys his research notes and hardware, and is among the ex-Cerberus scientists that Jacob is protecting. If you go so far as to screw with him or let David die or resolve the geth issue without saving David, he commits suicide]].



* HeelRealization: [[spoiler:He eventually realizes the horror of what he did; when the Illusive Man asks him to do a second Project Overlord, Gavin tells him that "if he wanted to find the devil, he need only look in the mirror." Subsequently, he quits Cerberus, destroys his research notes and hardware, and is among the ex-Cerberus scientists that Jacob is protecting. If you go so far as to screw with him or let David die or resolve the geth issue without saving David, he commits suicide]].



-->'''Archer''': ''[talking to Shepard]'' I know you think I'm a monster, and you're right.

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-->'''Archer''': -->'''Archer:''' ''[talking to Shepard]'' I know you think I'm a monster, and you're right.



-->'''Archer''': Not a day goes by where my dreams aren't haunted by what I did to [[spoiler: David]]. All I can do is hope that one day he forgives me.

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-->'''Archer''': -->'''Archer:''' Not a day goes by where my dreams aren't haunted by what I did to [[spoiler: David]]. All I can do is hope that one day he forgives me.



-->'''Archer''': [[spoiler: Leave him! [[ForScience He's too valuable!]]
-->'''Shepard''': [[spoiler: ''[pistol-whips Archer, then jams the Carnifex pistol under his nose]'' You even ''think'' about coming after your brother, and [[ImpliedDeathThreat this bullet will be waiting for you]]. ''Then'' we'll see who's valuable]].

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-->'''Archer''': -->'''Archer''' [[spoiler: Leave him! [[ForScience He's too valuable!]]
-->'''Shepard''':
valuable!]]\\
'''Shepard:'''
[[spoiler: ''[pistol-whips Archer, then jams the Carnifex pistol under his nose]'' You even ''think'' about coming after your brother, and [[ImpliedDeathThreat this bullet will be waiting for you]]. ''Then'' we'll see who's valuable]].
10th May '17 11:09:42 AM creader
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29th Apr '17 4:15:54 AM Matt620
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** In the third game, the player can see retroactively how much he controlled during the second game. He rejects the highly-skilled crew already selected, stating that he wanted both relatable faces Shepard would be comfortable with (tapping Dr. Chakwas and Joker) as well as sympathetic faces like Kelly Chambers, Ken Donnelly, and Gabby Daniels.
12th Apr '17 7:10:06 AM CombativeBoil
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** Note that Paragon Shepard does not return the feeling, seeing the Illusive Man as a delusional and incompetent monster, with every Paragon-related dialogue choice dripping in sheer contempt for him.
12th Apr '17 7:01:26 AM CombativeBoil
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* TheExtremistWasRight: His conviction that the Crucible can be used to control the Reapers is taken as simply further evidence of his rapidly-advancing insanity by Shepard and his/her allies, but [[spoiler:not only does he turn out to be right, but there's an argument to be made for it being the most moral (or, at least, least immoral) resolution to the war]].

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* TheExtremistWasRight: His conviction that the Crucible can be used to control the Reapers is taken as simply further evidence of his rapidly-advancing insanity by Shepard and his/her allies, but [[spoiler:not only does he turn out to be right, but there's an argument to be made for it being the most moral (or, at least, least immoral) resolution to the war]].war. The one thing he was mistaken about was his own ability to control the Reapers, since he'd already been indoctrinated]].
10th Apr '17 10:21:52 AM outlander2012
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* TooDumbToLive: [[spoiler: In the Paragon ending, when Shepard declares his intention to free David, Archer pulls a pistol- probably not the wisest move to use on a man/woman with ''infinitely'' more combat experience who doesn't need another excuse to kill him. Fortunately for him, Shepard merely settles for kicking his ass]].
-->'''Archer''': [[spoiler: Leave him! [[ForScience He's too valuable!]]
-->'''Shepard''': [[spoiler: ''[pistol-whips Archer, then jams the Carnifex pistol under his nose]'' You even ''think'' about coming after your brother, and [[ImpliedDeathThreat this bullet will be waiting for you]]. ''Then'' we'll see who's valuable]].
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* UnwittingPawn: To the Reapers. He thinks he is working against them, but is unwittingly indoctrinated by them. He also serves as a case of HistoryRepeatsItself, as during the Prothean cycle, there was also a faction who tried to control the Reapers instead of destroying them and only helped them divide the galaxy to make the harvest more easy.
--> '''Shepard:''' So the Illusive man was right after all?
--> '''The Catalyst:''': Yes but he could never have taken control, because we already controlled him.
11th Mar '17 12:53:43 PM jormis29
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The enigmatic leader of Cerberus. He seeks to protect humanity, regardless of the cost. He gets Shepard to investigate the disappearance of human colonies. He is the protagonist of the tie-in comic ''Mass Effect: Evolution''.

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The enigmatic leader of Cerberus. He seeks to protect humanity, regardless of the cost. He gets Shepard to investigate the disappearance of human colonies. He is the protagonist of the tie-in comic ''Mass Effect: Evolution''.
''ComicBook/MassEffectEvolution''.



** His backstory in the comic ''Mass Effect: Evolution'' also makes him one to Shepard. Both were soldiers who received visions from an alien artifact that would lead them on the path to become major players in galactic civilization.

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** His backstory in the comic ''Mass Effect: Evolution'' ''ComicBook/MassEffectEvolution'' also makes him one to Shepard. Both were soldiers who received visions from an alien artifact that would lead them on the path to become major players in galactic civilization.



* NotSoDifferent: ''3'' starts to show that he and [[spoiler:Saren]] are frighteningly similar. ''Mass Effect: Evolution'' hammers it all the way by revealing their actions served as each others StartOfDarkness.

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* NotSoDifferent: ''3'' starts to show that he and [[spoiler:Saren]] are frighteningly similar. ''Mass Effect: Evolution'' ''ComicBook/MassEffectEvolution'' hammers it all the way by revealing their actions served as each others StartOfDarkness.



%%* StartOfDarkness: ''Mass Effect: Evolution''.

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%%* StartOfDarkness: ''Mass Effect: Evolution''.''ComicBook/MassEffectEvolution''.
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