History MassEffect2AntagonistsAndNpcs / CouncilSpace

12th Apr '17 7:10:06 AM CombativeBoil
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** Note that Paragon Shepard does not return the feeling, seeing the Illusive Man as a delusional and incompetent monster, with every Paragon-related dialogue choice dripping in sheer contempt for him.
12th Apr '17 7:01:26 AM CombativeBoil
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* TheExtremistWasRight: His conviction that the Crucible can be used to control the Reapers is taken as simply further evidence of his rapidly-advancing insanity by Shepard and his/her allies, but [[spoiler:not only does he turn out to be right, but there's an argument to be made for it being the most moral (or, at least, least immoral) resolution to the war]].

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* TheExtremistWasRight: His conviction that the Crucible can be used to control the Reapers is taken as simply further evidence of his rapidly-advancing insanity by Shepard and his/her allies, but [[spoiler:not only does he turn out to be right, but there's an argument to be made for it being the most moral (or, at least, least immoral) resolution to the war]].war. The one thing he was mistaken about was his own ability to control the Reapers, since he'd already been indoctrinated]].
10th Apr '17 10:21:52 AM outlander2012
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* TooDumbToLive: [[spoiler: In the Paragon ending, when Shepard declares his intention to free David, Archer pulls a pistol- probably not the wisest move to use on a man/woman with ''infinitely'' more combat experience who doesn't need another excuse to kill him. Fortunately for him, Shepard merely settles for kicking his ass]].
-->'''Archer''': [[spoiler: Leave him! [[ForScience He's too valuable!]]
-->'''Shepard''': [[spoiler: ''[pistol-whips Archer, then jams the Carnifex pistol under his nose]'' You even ''think'' about coming after your brother, and [[ImpliedDeathThreat this bullet will be waiting for you]]. ''Then'' we'll see who's valuable]].
18th Mar '17 7:54:45 AM Forenperser
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* UnwittingPawn: To the Reapers. He thinks he is working against them, but is unwittingly indoctrinated by them. He also serves as a case of HistoryRepeatsItself, as during the Prothean cycle, there was also a faction who tried to control the Reapers instead of destroying them and only helped them divide the galaxy to make the harvest more easy.
--> '''Shepard:''' So the Illusive man was right after all?
--> '''The Catalyst:''': Yes but he could never have taken control, because we already controlled him.
11th Mar '17 12:53:43 PM jormis29
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The enigmatic leader of Cerberus. He seeks to protect humanity, regardless of the cost. He gets Shepard to investigate the disappearance of human colonies. He is the protagonist of the tie-in comic ''Mass Effect: Evolution''.

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The enigmatic leader of Cerberus. He seeks to protect humanity, regardless of the cost. He gets Shepard to investigate the disappearance of human colonies. He is the protagonist of the tie-in comic ''Mass Effect: Evolution''.
''ComicBook/MassEffectEvolution''.



** His backstory in the comic ''Mass Effect: Evolution'' also makes him one to Shepard. Both were soldiers who received visions from an alien artifact that would lead them on the path to become major players in galactic civilization.

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** His backstory in the comic ''Mass Effect: Evolution'' ''ComicBook/MassEffectEvolution'' also makes him one to Shepard. Both were soldiers who received visions from an alien artifact that would lead them on the path to become major players in galactic civilization.



* NotSoDifferent: ''3'' starts to show that he and [[spoiler:Saren]] are frighteningly similar. ''Mass Effect: Evolution'' hammers it all the way by revealing their actions served as each others StartOfDarkness.

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* NotSoDifferent: ''3'' starts to show that he and [[spoiler:Saren]] are frighteningly similar. ''Mass Effect: Evolution'' ''ComicBook/MassEffectEvolution'' hammers it all the way by revealing their actions served as each others StartOfDarkness.



%%* StartOfDarkness: ''Mass Effect: Evolution''.

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%%* StartOfDarkness: ''Mass Effect: Evolution''.''ComicBook/MassEffectEvolution''.
6th Mar '17 11:04:19 AM Forenperser
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* NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist: He claims he wants the best for humanity, but humanity and Cerberus are the same thing in his mind. Even though he is very sincere in leveraging Shepard's talents to combat the Reaper threat, and has a knack for drawing in genuinely honorable and talented people, he fails to truly appreciate the severe downsides of his ethically compromised operations. By ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', the reputation of Cerberus has decayed to the point that even some of his most dedicated and talented employees want nothing to do with him, and his goal has shifted from ''combat the Reapers'' to ''controlling their power''.



* WellIntentionedExtremist: He claims he wants the best for humanity, but humanity and Cerberus are the same thing in his mind. Even though he is very sincere in leveraging Shepard's talents to combat the Reaper threat, and has a knack for drawing in genuinely honorable and talented people, he fails to truly appreciate the severe downsides of his ethically compromised operations. By ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', the reputation of Cerberus has decayed to the point that even some of his most dedicated and talented employees want nothing to do with him.
4th Mar '17 10:12:42 AM Zeekay980
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* YouHaveFailedMe: More than one of his project leads have engaged in [[TooDumbToLive reckless]], [[EvenEvilHasStandards truly unethical]], or [[BreadEggsBreadedEggs recklessly unethical]] methods in their efforts to avoid this when their deadline was coming close.
28th Feb '17 10:56:40 AM CombativeBoil
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* NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist: He claims he wants the best for humanity, but humanity and Cerberus are the same thing in his mind. In the end, he just wants to secure his own personal power, no matter how hard he tries to deny it.


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* WellIntentionedExtremist: He claims he wants the best for humanity, but humanity and Cerberus are the same thing in his mind. Even though he is very sincere in leveraging Shepard's talents to combat the Reaper threat, and has a knack for drawing in genuinely honorable and talented people, he fails to truly appreciate the severe downsides of his ethically compromised operations. By ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', the reputation of Cerberus has decayed to the point that even some of his most dedicated and talented employees want nothing to do with him.
27th Feb '17 6:11:22 PM CombativeBoil
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** This is also very much present in ''2'', though hidden more because [[ButThouMust the game seldom lets Shepard explicitly call out his fallacies]]. Almost all of the operations he funds result in [[EpicFail hilarious failures]] causing him to beg Shepard to clean up said messes, and he will continually attempt to manipulate Shepard in the most transparent ways possible, reaching levels of ImplausibleDeniability numerous times (such as asserting he didn't know anything about the Pragia facility, even though Shepard can find files in the Shadow Broker's base stating otherwise). Despite this, he is 100% convinced that Shepard will buy his arguments and bend to his will, no matter how many times Shepard blows him off or undermines him. This reaches its head at the Collector Base, where he's utterly ''shocked'' (and enraged) if Shepard chooses to blow up the base rather than hand it to him. Even if Shepard had spent the whole game as a Paragon whose every word to TIM dripped with contempt.

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** This is also very much present in ''2'', though hidden more because [[ButThouMust the game seldom lets Shepard explicitly call out his fallacies]]. Almost all Several of the operations he funds result in [[EpicFail hilarious failures]] causing him to beg Shepard to clean up said messes, and messes. Though he will continually attempt to manipulate is fully aware of the adversarial past between Shepard in and Cerberus, he nonetheless goes out of his way to disavow all knowledge regarding the most transparent ways possible, reaching levels more contemptible practices of ImplausibleDeniability numerous times (such as asserting he didn't know anything about the Pragia facility, Cerberus, even though Shepard can find files in the Shadow Broker's base stating otherwise). Despite this, he if evidence indicating otherwise is 100% convinced that Shepard will buy his arguments and bend to his will, no matter how many times Shepard blows him off or undermines him. This found. However, this trope truly reaches its head at the Collector Base, where he's utterly ''shocked'' (and enraged) if Shepard chooses to blow up the base rather than hand it to him. Even if Shepard had spent the whole game as a Paragon whose every word to TIM dripped with contempt.
21st Jan '17 3:36:45 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* EvilCounterpart:
** Serves as one for Admiral Hackett in ''3'', where they both are described as leaders of humanity (Cerberus and the Alliance respectively), both are gathering resources and intel to defeat the Reapers and both have sent Shepard on black ops missions in previous games.
** His backstory in the comic ''Mass Effect: Evolution'' also makes him one to Shepard. Both were soldiers who received visions from an alien artifact that would lead them on the path to become major players in galactic civilization.



* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: [[spoiler:If you convince him that he's been indoctrinated]] and that his actions have brought humanity to the brink of destruction, he shows great regret [[spoiler:before committing suicide]].

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* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: [[spoiler:If If you convince him that he's [[spoiler:he's been indoctrinated]] and that his actions have brought humanity to the brink of destruction, he shows great regret [[spoiler:before committing suicide]].



* NotSoDifferent: ''3'' starts to show that he and [[spoiler:Saren]] are frighteningly similar.

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* NotSoDifferent: ''3'' starts to show that he and [[spoiler:Saren]] are frighteningly similar. ''Mass Effect: Evolution'' hammers it all the way by revealing their actions served as each others StartOfDarkness.



* ShadowArchetype: Arguably serves as the dark reflection of Admiral Hackett. Particularly noticeable in ''3'', where they both are described as leaders of humanity (Cerberus and the Alliance respectively), both are gathering resources and intel to defeat the Reapers and both have sent Shepard on black ops missions in previous games.



* TragicVillain: He had the power, intelligence, knowledge (his information network nearly rivals the Shadow Broker's), and charisma to stand a significant chance of defeating the Reapers. [[spoiler:Too bad his {{pride}} led to him getting too close to Reaper tech and becoming one of their biggest assets against Shepard. It's hard to dispute that had the Illusive Man sided with Shepard when they encountered one another on Mars, the fight could have been won much sooner and more easily.]]


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* YouCouldHaveUsedYourPowersForGood: Shepard outright tells him he had the power, intelligence, knowledge (his information network nearly rivals the Shadow Broker's), and charisma to stand a significant chance of defeating the Reapers. [[spoiler:Too bad his {{pride}} led to him getting too close to Reaper tech and becoming one of their biggest assets against Shepard.]]
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