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21st Jan '17 3:36:45 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* EvilCounterpart:
** Serves as one for Admiral Hackett in ''3'', where they both are described as leaders of humanity (Cerberus and the Alliance respectively), both are gathering resources and intel to defeat the Reapers and both have sent Shepard on black ops missions in previous games.
** His backstory in the comic ''Mass Effect: Evolution'' also makes him one to Shepard. Both were soldiers who received visions from an alien artifact that would lead them on the path to become major players in galactic civilization.



* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: [[spoiler:If you convince him that he's been indoctrinated]] and that his actions have brought humanity to the brink of destruction, he shows great regret [[spoiler:before committing suicide]].

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* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: [[spoiler:If If you convince him that he's [[spoiler:he's been indoctrinated]] and that his actions have brought humanity to the brink of destruction, he shows great regret [[spoiler:before committing suicide]].



* NotSoDifferent: ''3'' starts to show that he and [[spoiler:Saren]] are frighteningly similar.

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* NotSoDifferent: ''3'' starts to show that he and [[spoiler:Saren]] are frighteningly similar. ''Mass Effect: Evolution'' hammers it all the way by revealing their actions served as each others StartOfDarkness.



* ShadowArchetype: Arguably serves as the dark reflection of Admiral Hackett. Particularly noticeable in ''3'', where they both are described as leaders of humanity (Cerberus and the Alliance respectively), both are gathering resources and intel to defeat the Reapers and both have sent Shepard on black ops missions in previous games.



* TragicVillain: He had the power, intelligence, knowledge (his information network nearly rivals the Shadow Broker's), and charisma to stand a significant chance of defeating the Reapers. [[spoiler:Too bad his {{pride}} led to him getting too close to Reaper tech and becoming one of their biggest assets against Shepard. It's hard to dispute that had the Illusive Man sided with Shepard when they encountered one another on Mars, the fight could have been won much sooner and more easily.]]


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* YouCouldHaveUsedYourPowersForGood: Shepard outright tells him he had the power, intelligence, knowledge (his information network nearly rivals the Shadow Broker's), and charisma to stand a significant chance of defeating the Reapers. [[spoiler:Too bad his {{pride}} led to him getting too close to Reaper tech and becoming one of their biggest assets against Shepard.]]
21st Jan '17 11:32:34 AM MissMokushiroku
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* AffablyEvil: To Paragon players. According to ''Retribution'', this is a facade he uses to make it difficult to tell when he's lying.

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* AffablyEvil: AffablyEvil:
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To Paragon players. According to ''Retribution'', this is a facade he uses to make it difficult to tell when he's lying.



* AlasPoorVillain: [[spoiler:No matter how he dies, his death is given a great deal of emotional weight. If Shepard convinces him of his Indoctrination, he becomes horrified at what he's done and shoots himself to end it. If Shepard is the one to shoot him, he takes one last look at his beloved homeworld and comments how beautiful and perfect Earth is in his eyes.]]
* AmbitionIsEvil: He, and Cerberus as a whole.

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* AlasPoorVillain: [[spoiler:No matter how he dies, his death is given a great deal of emotional weight. If Shepard convinces him of his Indoctrination, indoctrination, he becomes horrified at what he's done and shoots himself to end it. If Shepard is the one to shoot him, he takes one last look at his beloved homeworld and comments how beautiful and perfect Earth is in his eyes.]]
* AmbitionIsEvil: He, and alongside Cerberus as a whole.



* BatmanGambit: He pulls of quite an impressive one in order to eliminate his rivals in between the second and third games. [[spoiler: He plays Liara and the Shadow Broker against each other, resulting in the latter's death. After that, his Cerberus forces sweep in and force Liara to destroy the resources she gained as the Shadow Broker (the original plan was to obtain them but Liara made sure this didn't happen; it's still a win in their favor, just not as much), and are only unable to kill Liara herself because of Shepard's intervention. In addition to that, he pulls a ploy to divide Omega (depicted in the tie-in comic ''Mass Effect: Invasion'') by luring Aria and her best forces away by unleashing an army of Adjutants on the station and feigning friendship, knowing that she was the only thing keeping the various mercenary groups on Omega from tearing the station apart. After that, Cerberus once again swept in and eliminated any remaining resistance]].

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* BatmanGambit: BadBoss: Don't betray him. Just ask [[spoiler:Paul Grayson, who gets Reaper technology implanted into him]]. In the third game, [[spoiler:he uses Reaper technology to create an army of slaves, among other atrocities]].
* BatmanGambit:
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He pulls of off quite an impressive one in order to eliminate his rivals in between the second and third games. [[spoiler: He plays Liara and the Shadow Broker against each other, resulting in the latter's death. After that, his Cerberus forces sweep in and force Liara to destroy the resources she gained as the Shadow Broker (the original plan was to obtain them but Liara made sure this didn't happen; it's still a win in their favor, just not as much), and are only unable to kill Liara herself because of Shepard's intervention. In addition to that, he pulls a ploy to divide Omega (depicted in the tie-in comic ''Mass Effect: Invasion'') by luring Aria and her best forces away by unleashing an army of Adjutants on the station and feigning friendship, knowing that she was the only thing keeping the various mercenary groups on Omega from tearing the station apart. After that, Cerberus once again swept in and eliminated any remaining resistance]].



** BadBoss: Just don't betray him. Just ask [[spoiler:Paul Grayson, who gets Reaper technology implanted into him]]. In the third game, [[spoiler:he uses Reaper technology to create an army of slaves, among other atrocities]].

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** BadBoss: Just don't betray him. Just ask [[spoiler:Paul Grayson, who gets * BigBadDuumvirate: [[spoiler:Subverted, despite what the characters believe. While Harbinger and Cerberus largely ignore a direct confrontation throughout most of ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', the Illusive Man took great steps to control the Reapers in the meantime -- he ordered Henry Lawson to study indoctrination, buffed Cerberus to NGOSuperpower status and modified himself with Reaper technology implanted into him]]. In tech so he could use the third game, [[spoiler:he uses Crucible. Once Harbinger finds out, the Reapers storm Sanctuary in a brief moment of EvilVersusEvil. However, that research ultimately led to the Illusive Man himself becoming indoctrinated (or strengthening it, since his eyes ''are'' Reaper technology to create an army of slaves, among other atrocities]].tech). By the final confrontation, it's made clear that TIM was little more than TheStarscream.]]



** BigBadDuumvirate: [[spoiler:Subverted, despite what the characters believe. While Harbinger and Cerberus largely ignore a direct confrontation throughout most of ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', the Illusive Man took great steps to control the Reapers in the meantime -- he ordered Henry Lawson to study Indoctrination, buffed Cerberus to NGOSuperpower status and modified himself with Reaper tech so he could use the Crucible. Once Harbinger finds out, the Reapers storm Sanctuary in a brief moment of EvilVersusEvil. However, that research ultimately led to the Illusive Man himself becoming indoctrinated (or strengthening it, since his eyes ''are'' Reaper tech). By the final confrontation, it's made clear that TIM was little more than TheStarscream.]]
** NonActionBigBad: In every appearance with him as an antagonist.



* BitchInSheepsClothing: In ''3'' it is revealed that he had the ship crew of the second team put together with the explicit goal to allay Shepard's suspiciousness, putting only NaiveNewcomer's and TokenGoodTeammate's into it, as well as assembling parts of Shepard's old team to make him feel more comfortable.
* BodyHorror: [[spoiler:His cybernetic implants during the final confrontation.]]

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* BitchInSheepsClothing: In ''3'' ''3'', it is revealed that he had the ship crew of the second team put together with the explicit goal to allay Shepard's suspiciousness, suspicions, putting only NaiveNewcomer's {{Naive Newcomer}}s and TokenGoodTeammate's {{Token Good Teammate}}s into it, as well as assembling parts of Shepard's old team to make him him/her feel more comfortable.
* %%* BodyHorror: [[spoiler:His cybernetic implants during the final confrontation.]]



** This does lead to some FridgeLogic. It's unlikely that the secretive head of a covert terrorist organisation would risk drawing attention to himself by having sexual liaisons with so many high-profile celebrities. [[spoiler: To demonstrate how secretive (to the point of paranoid) he is, it's mentioned in the novel Retribution that he lives in a space station crewed by only his most loyal zealots. Furthermore, every time someone else visits, and then they're only top-level operatives like Kai Leng, he has the space station moved to a different system when they leave.]]
*** Although this is mentioned during the events of ''2'', when Cerberus is "only" a terrorist organization, which may give him some latitude. It's in ''3'' that they start directly attacking the Alliance - at which point, we do not know if he keeps his tendencies.
*** Granted, yet it's not about whether he keeps his tendencies, it's about how he has sex with several high profile celebrities in one week; something that would draw attention to himself when he is someone who would not want attention drawn to himself as the head of a covert terrorist organization (since Paparazzi would likely be following these famous women). It would be like if Osama Bin Laden occasionally came out of hiding to sleep with A-list Hollywood Celebrities.
* TheChessmaster: He pretty much ''is'' Cerberus, ensuring to be personally involved in all of their operations. Considering how intricate and far reaching their influence is, that's a lot of pawns.

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** This does lead to some FridgeLogic. It's unlikely that the secretive head of a covert terrorist organisation would risk drawing attention to himself by having sexual liaisons with so many high-profile celebrities. [[spoiler: To demonstrate how secretive (to the point of paranoid) he is, it's mentioned in the novel Retribution that he lives in a space station crewed by only his most loyal zealots. Furthermore, every time someone else visits, and then they're only top-level operatives like Kai Leng, he has the space station moved to a different system when they leave.]]
*** Although this is mentioned during the events of ''2'', when Cerberus is "only" a terrorist organization, which may give him some latitude. It's in ''3'' that they start directly attacking the Alliance - at which point, we do not know if he keeps his tendencies.
*** Granted, yet it's not about whether he keeps his tendencies, it's about how he has sex with several high profile celebrities in one week; something that would draw attention to himself when he is someone who would not want attention drawn to himself as the head of a covert terrorist organization (since Paparazzi would likely be following these famous women). It would be like if Osama Bin Laden occasionally came out of hiding to sleep with A-list Hollywood Celebrities.
* TheChessmaster: He pretty much ''is'' Cerberus, ensuring to be that he's personally involved in all of their operations. Considering how intricate and far reaching their influence is, that's a lot of pawns.



*** He claimed that Liara couldn't be trusted because she was working for the Shadow Broker, when the truth was the exact opposite. However, he later goes back on this and actually provides Shepard with intel that results in the Shadow Broker's downfall, giving him the opening to try to take Liara down once she was no longer useful.

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*** He claimed that Liara couldn't be trusted because she was working for the Shadow Broker, when that couldn't be farther from the truth (she was trying to take revenge against the exact opposite.Broker). However, he later goes back on this and actually provides Shepard with intel that results in the Shadow Broker's downfall, giving him the opening to try to take Liara down once she was no longer useful.



* ConsummateLiar: It's nearly impossible to tell when he's being truthful or lying. Aria T'Loak notes that his very body language is cultivated to be just as inscrutable as his words. One of the few people capable of successfully lying to Aria's face.

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* ConsummateLiar: It's nearly impossible to tell when he's being truthful or lying. Aria T'Loak notes that his very body language is cultivated to be just as inscrutable as his words. One He's one of the few people capable of successfully lying to Aria's face.



* CutsceneBoss: [[spoiler:At the end of the third game, you will either be able to [[TalkingTheMonsterToDeath convince him to kill himself]], [[CallBack like with Saren in the first game]], or you'll have to take him out using one of two [[QuickTimeEvent Renegade interrupts]]. Not taking either of them results in a NonstandardGameOver]].

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* CutsceneBoss: [[spoiler:At the end of the third game, you will either be able to [[TalkingTheMonsterToDeath convince him to kill himself]], [[CallBack like with Saren in the first game]], or you'll have to take him out using one of two [[QuickTimeEvent Renegade interrupts]]. Not taking either of them results in a NonstandardGameOver]].NonstandardGameOver.]]



* DiabolicalMastermind: Manipulates everyone to get humanity above.
* DirtyOldMan: See ReallyGetsAround.

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* %%* DiabolicalMastermind: Manipulates everyone to get humanity above.
* %%* DirtyOldMan: See ReallyGetsAround.



* [[spoiler:DyingAsYourself: If Shepard shoots TIM, his final words are: "There... Earth. I wish you could see it like I do, Shepard. It's so... perfect."]]

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* [[spoiler:DyingAsYourself: If DyingAsYourself:
** [[spoiler:If
Shepard shoots TIM, his final words are: "There... Earth. I wish you could see it like I do, Shepard. It's so... perfect."]]



* ElectronicEyes: [[spoiler: A sign that he's already undergoing Indoctrination.]]
* EmpathicEnvironment: His office, after the Suicide Mission. [[spoiler:If Shepard made the Paragon decision at the end of the mission, the star will turn blue. Otherwise (i.e., the Renegade decision) it will turn red]].
** Averted if Shepard doesn't survive. Regardless of what became of Collector Base, the star will remain its normal color (orange with hues of blue).
* EnemyMine: ''Mass Effect 2'' revolves around an uneasy alliance between him and Shepard. Previously, he had one with Liara to secure Shepard's body from the Shadow Broker.
** He seems to consider cooperating with non-humans as this kind of arrangement. Which is ironic considering that he helped save the entire turian race from Indoctrination back when he was still a mercenary.
* EvenEvilHasStandards: The Cerberus facility that created Jack was actually a rogue facility outside his approval, and he ordered ''all'' of the surviving scientists from the project executed once he learned precisely what they were doing. Furthermore, his e-mail responses to both the Paragon and Renegade endings of the [[{{DLC}} Project Overlord incident]] give further credence to the idea that he still tries to maintain ''some'' ethical standards in his research projects.
** However, his response to ''Overlord'''s Renegade ending claims that while he thought the experiments went too far, he's happy that Shepard decided to keep the research subject within Cerberus. For the Paragon ending, he complains that "Though your decision is understandable, it has set our efforts to understand the geth back several years." (This makes even less sense if Shepard already has Legion as a squadmate, though this could be an oversight on the author's part.) It's possible that while the Illusive Man would happily reap the fruits of even the most unethical projects, he values Shepard's loyalty enough to go along with what s/he chooses to do.
* EvilCannotComprehendGood: He believes that Shepard will always understand what he hopes to accomplish, [[spoiler:even when it means using a base where hundreds of thousands of humans were liquefied as fuel for a human Reaper prototype]]. He also fails to see Miranda ever betraying him because he thought she was completely loyal to him.
** Though given the aggressiveness with which he tries to convince Shepard to preserve the Collector Base, it seems likely that he was afraid that Shepard wouldn't listen to him, and was trying to appeal to their drive to stop the Reapers, as well as drawing parallels between the Collector Base and the Lazarus Project in order to exploit any possible gratitude Shepard may have had for being saved by Cerberus.
* EvilIsNotAToy: [[spoiler:As [[MagnificentBastard magnificent]] as he was, he was still way out of his league attempting to take control of the Reapers]].

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* ElectronicEyes: [[spoiler: A sign that he's already undergoing Indoctrination.indoctrination.]]
* EmpathicEnvironment: His office, after the Suicide Mission. [[spoiler:If Shepard made the Paragon decision at the end of the mission, the star will turn blue. Otherwise (i.e., the Renegade decision) it will turn red]].
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red]]. Averted if Shepard doesn't survive. Regardless of what became of the Collector Base, the star will remain its normal color (orange with hues of blue).
* EnemyMine: EnemyMine:
**
''Mass Effect 2'' revolves around an uneasy alliance between him and Shepard. Previously, he had one with Liara to secure Shepard's body from the Shadow Broker.
** He seems to consider cooperating with non-humans as this kind of arrangement. Which is ironic ironic, considering that he helped save the entire turian race from Indoctrination indoctrination back when he was still a mercenary.
* EvenEvilHasStandards: EvenEvilHasStandards:
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The Cerberus facility that created Jack was actually a rogue facility outside his approval, and he ordered ''all'' of the surviving scientists from the project executed once he learned precisely what they were doing. Furthermore, his e-mail responses to both the Paragon and Renegade endings of the [[{{DLC}} Project Overlord incident]] give further credence to the idea that he still tries to maintain ''some'' ethical standards in his research projects.
** However, his response to ''Overlord'''s "Overlord"'s Renegade ending claims that while he thought the experiments went too far, he's happy that Shepard decided to keep the research subject within Cerberus. For the Paragon ending, he complains that "Though your decision is understandable, it has set our efforts to understand the geth back several years." (This makes even less sense if Shepard already has Legion as a squadmate, though this could be an oversight on the author's part.) It's possible that while the Illusive Man would happily reap the fruits of even the most unethical projects, he values Shepard's loyalty enough to go along with what s/he chooses to do.
* EvilCannotComprehendGood: He believes that Shepard will always understand what he hopes to accomplish, [[spoiler:even when it means using a base where hundreds of thousands of humans were liquefied as fuel for a human Reaper prototype]]. He also fails to see Miranda ever betraying him because he thought she was completely loyal to him.
** Though given the aggressiveness with which he tries to convince Shepard to preserve the Collector Base, it seems likely that he was afraid that Shepard wouldn't listen to him, and was trying to appeal to their drive to stop the Reapers, as well as drawing parallels between the Collector Base and the Lazarus Project in order to exploit any possible gratitude Shepard may have had for being saved by Cerberus.
him.
* EvilIsNotAToy: [[spoiler:As [[MagnificentBastard magnificent]] as he was, he was still way out of his league attempting to take control of the Reapers]].Reapers.]]



* {{Expy}}: The Illusive Man's development in ''3'' is rather parallel to Saren's from the first game: they both are [[WellIntentionedExtremist Well Intentioned Extremists]] who cross the MoralEventHorizon to deal with the Reaper threat. [[spoiler: While Saren feels that he can work with the Reapers to save all organic life, TIM decides to try to find a way to control them and uplift humanity. They both even justify their actions with the '''exact same''' argument; "the Reapers never truly wiped out all of organics". Both of their paths leads to them getting Reaper implants, making them easier to be indoctrinated. In the end, they both can also die in the same exact way, committing suicide if Shepard manages to convince them that the Reapers are controlling them.]]
** Outside of the series, the Illusive Man is widely believed to have been [[ShoutOut inspired]] by the Cigarette-Smoking Man from ''Series/TheXFiles'', since both characters are menacing, nameless cigarette-smoking characters who alternatively aid and work against the protagonists, and have an agenda that involves protecting humanity no matter the cost.

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* {{Expy}}: The Illusive Man's development in ''3'' is rather parallel to Saren's from the first game: they both are [[WellIntentionedExtremist Well Intentioned Well-Intentioned Extremists]] who cross the MoralEventHorizon to deal with the Reaper threat. [[spoiler: While Saren feels that he can work with the Reapers to save all organic life, TIM decides to try to find a way to control them and uplift humanity. They both even justify their actions with the '''exact same''' ''exact same'' argument; "the Reapers never truly wiped out all of organics". Both of their paths leads lead to them getting Reaper implants, making them easier to be indoctrinated. In the end, they both can also die in the same exact way, committing suicide if Shepard manages to convince them that the Reapers are controlling them.]]
** Outside of the series, the Illusive Man is widely believed to have been [[ShoutOut inspired]] by the Cigarette-Smoking Man from ''Series/TheXFiles'', since both characters are menacing, nameless cigarette-smoking characters who alternatively aid and work against the protagonists, and have an agenda that involves protecting humanity no matter the cost.
]]



** Also the reason why the decision regarding the Collector Base in ''2'' is so controversial. Some fans believe that utilizing technology built upon the horrific mass-murder of countless innocent people is an abhorrent idea, especially since it would also mean continued cooperation with Cerberus. Others agree with the Illusive Man's argument that since the Reapers haven't been defeated by a long shot, they need to use all the resources and help they can find, and that studying the proto-Reaper and how it was built could provide a critical advantage in the fight against the Reapers. [[spoiler: Though the third game kinda renders the argument moot since he and a good portion of Cerberus wound up indoctrinated because of their "unrestrained" methods in studying Reaper tech, and this will end up happening regardless of the decision Shepard made.]]
** Another argument among players about the decision about the Collector station was based on the theme of ''earning'' your advancement. Some may see preserving the Collector Base similar as uplifting themselves with tech they don't "deserve" like the krogan did thanks to the salarians, with disastrous consequences. Others tend to argue that the galaxy is on the brink of annihilation and humanity needs to take risks. In some ways the game favor the first argument; after all the Mass Relays are specifically an impossibly clever trap that begins with giving species the Mass Effect technology, and TIM himself becomes indoctrinated and by and large plays into the Reapers' hands. However, TIM's breakthrough in Horizon does seems to take the Reapers by surprise, and ultimately [[spoiler:''VideoGame/MassEffect3'' leaves it up to you to decide whether or not his plan to control and harness the Reapers is a good idea.]]



* FatalFlaw: His {{Pride}}. He's so convinced that the ends justify the means, [[spoiler: it leads to himself and the entirety of Cerberus getting indoctrinated by the Reapers]].

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* FatalFlaw: His {{Pride}}.{{pride}}. He's so convinced that the ends justify the means, [[spoiler: it leads to himself and the entirety of Cerberus getting indoctrinated by the Reapers]].



** Although it is mentioned that the huge price of bringing Shepard back was offset by the valuable medical data obtained through the process.
** [[spoiler:Un-shackled EDI explains that Cerberus owns the companies that built the first ''Normandy''. They likely still have the resources and technology involved. Not that it makes the rebuilding of the ''Normandy'' any less significant an achievement]].
* FightingFromTheInside: [[spoiler: A Paragon Shepard can help The Illusive Man realize he is indoctrinated. He starts to noticeably struggle more and more to justify his actions almost as if he is in physical pain. Continuing this path can finally help him break their control long enough for him to kill himself.]]
* {{Foreshadowing}}. In ''2'', TIM mentions his eyes are enhanced by Reaper technology. You don't say.[[note]]Reaper technology, however, doesn't indoctinate. Contact with Reapers, even ''dead'' ones, does, so it's probable TIM could have investigated the Leviathan of Dis or his experimentation in creating Husks got him ''too'' close to the Reapers' influence.[[/note]]

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** Although it is mentioned that the huge price of bringing Shepard back was offset by the valuable medical data obtained through the process.
** [[spoiler:Un-shackled EDI explains that Cerberus owns the companies that built the first ''Normandy''. They likely still have the resources and technology involved. Not that it makes the rebuilding of the ''Normandy'' any less significant an achievement]].
* FightingFromTheInside: [[spoiler: A Paragon Shepard can help The the Illusive Man realize he is indoctrinated. He starts to noticeably struggle more and more to justify his actions almost as if he is in physical pain. Continuing this path can finally help him break their control long enough for him to kill himself.]]
* {{Foreshadowing}}. In ''2'', TIM mentions his eyes are enhanced by Reaper technology. You don't say.[[note]]Reaper technology, however, doesn't indoctinate.indoctrinate. Contact with Reapers, even ''dead'' ones, does, so it's probable TIM could have investigated the Leviathan of Dis or his experimentation in creating Husks got him ''too'' close to the Reapers' influence.[[/note]]



* GameplayAndStorySegregation: [[spoiler:Even if you've finished the game depriving him of Reaper tech, he'll still go out of his way to get Kasumi in your team even though they've already finished their mission. The same goes for the Overlord mission, begging the question of why he'd request your aid in stopping his project after you blew up the Collector Base. In addition, you still get Cerberus funding when completing missions]].

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* GameplayAndStorySegregation: [[spoiler:Even if you've finished the game depriving him of Reaper tech, he'll still go out of his way to get Kasumi in your team even though they've already finished their mission. The same goes for the Overlord mission, begging the question of why he'd request your aid in stopping his project after you blew up the Collector Base. In addition, you still get Cerberus funding when completing missions]].missions.]]



* HeWhoFightsMonsters: How did he raise such a huge army in ''VideoGame/MassEffect3''? [[spoiler:Indoctrination. Unfortunately, indoctrination based on Reaper tech. He wasn't just playing with fire, he was playing with randomly spontaneously combusting thermite. And naturally, he succumbed himself]].

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* HeWhoFightsMonsters: How did he raise such a huge army in ''VideoGame/MassEffect3''? [[spoiler:Indoctrination. Unfortunately, indoctrination based on Reaper tech. He wasn't just playing with fire, he was playing with randomly spontaneously combusting thermite. And naturally, he succumbed himself]].himself.]]



--> [[spoiler: ''"I'm sorry, Shephard... I tried." (BANG)'']]
* HiddenAgendaVillain: He's trying to make humanity dominant in the galaxy. Beyond that, not even Miranda, his most loyal agent, has any idea what he wants. [[spoiler:The third game reveals that he's looking for a way to control the Reapers]].
* {{Hypocrite}}: Despite being the leader of a pro-human organisation, according to his Shadow Broker dossier, he has numerous sexual liaisons with aliens.

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--> [[spoiler: ''"I'm '''The Illusive Man:''' [[spoiler:''"I'm sorry, Shephard...Shepard... I tried." (BANG)'']]
* HiddenAgendaVillain: He's trying to make humanity dominant in the galaxy. Beyond that, not even Miranda, his most loyal agent, has any idea what he wants. [[spoiler:The third game reveals that he's looking for a way to control the Reapers]].
Reapers.]]
* {{Hypocrite}}: Despite being the leader of a pro-human organisation, according to his Shadow Broker dossier, he has had [[BoldlyComing numerous sexual liaisons with aliens.aliens]].



* JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope: Whatever his research ethics were like before, it becomes clear in the third game that he's thrown off any remaining restraints, to the point of attempting to institute a [[spoiler:''second'' Project Overlord, which disgusts even the head of the original project. And this is before the big reveal of the atrocity factory known as Sanctuary]].

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* JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope: Whatever his research ethics were like before, it becomes clear in the third game that he's thrown off any remaining restraints, to the point of attempting to institute a [[spoiler:''second'' Project Overlord, which disgusts even the head of the original project. And this is before the big reveal of the atrocity factory known as Sanctuary]].Sanctuary.]]



** His real name may qualify as well. [[spoiler:He shares his surname with former [[UsefulNotes/CanadianPolitics Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper]], whose administration was notorious for its xenophobia and lack of transparency.]] WordOfGod claims this was a coincidence, though.
* MotiveDecay: [[spoiler: Indoctrination can do that. If every Paragon response is chosen, you can see him visibly struggling against Indoctrination during the Thessia mission, where he falters for a moment when Shepard asks him [[ArmourPiercingQuestion how he can possibly justify betraying humanity]] by fighting them, instead of the ''Reapers?!'']]

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** His real name may qualify as well. [[spoiler:He shares his surname with former [[UsefulNotes/CanadianPolitics Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper]], whose administration was notorious for its xenophobia and lack of transparency.]] WordOfGod claims this was a coincidence, though.
* MotiveDecay: [[spoiler: Indoctrination can do that. If every Paragon response is chosen, you can see him visibly struggling against Indoctrination his indoctrination during the Thessia mission, where he falters for a moment when Shepard asks him [[ArmourPiercingQuestion how he can possibly justify betraying humanity]] by fighting them, instead of the ''Reapers?!'']]



* MysteriousEmployer: None of his subordinates know anything about him and the smart ones know better than to attempt to rectify that. In fact, many who work under his agents have no idea they're following his orders.
** Doubles as a MysteriousBacker in general.

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* MysteriousEmployer: None of his subordinates know anything about him and the smart ones know better than to attempt to rectify that. In fact, many who work under his agents have no idea they're following his orders.
**
orders. Doubles as a MysteriousBacker in general.



%%* NonActionBigBad: In every appearance with him as an antagonist.



* NotSoStoic: For most of the two games he's in he maintains a calm demeanor. However during the final confrontation, if you use the persuasion options he starts to sound increasingly angry and desperate, culminating in him [[spoiler:trying to shoot Shepard or taking his own life]].

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* NotSoStoic: For most of the two games he's in he maintains a calm demeanor. However However, during the final confrontation, if you use the persuasion options he starts to sound increasingly angry and desperate, culminating in him [[spoiler:trying to shoot Shepard or taking his own life]].



* PeoplePuppets: [[spoiler: He gains this power after getting Reaper implants. He uses it to hold Shepard and Anderson in place as he monologues, and also forces Shepard to shoot his/her mentor.]]

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* PeoplePuppets: [[spoiler: He [[spoiler:He gains this power after getting Reaper implants. He uses it to hold Shepard and Anderson in place as he monologues, and also forces Shepard to shoot his/her mentor.]]



* PunnyName: [[FanNickname Some]] [[SomeCallMeTim call him]] [[FunWithAcronyms TIM]].



* ShadowArchetype: Arguably serves as the dark reflection of Admiral Hackett.
** Particularly noticeable in ''3'', where they both are described as leaders of humanity (Cerberus and Alliance respectively), both are gathering resources and intel to defeat the Reapers and both have sent Shepard on Black-Ops missions in previous games.

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* ShadowArchetype: Arguably serves as the dark reflection of Admiral Hackett.
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Hackett. Particularly noticeable in ''3'', where they both are described as leaders of humanity (Cerberus and the Alliance respectively), both are gathering resources and intel to defeat the Reapers and both have sent Shepard on Black-Ops black ops missions in previous games.



* SmugSnake: Not as bad as Leng (being voiced by Creator/MartinSheen helps), but prevalent in ''3''. Constantly giving arrogant lectures to Shepard whenever they meet, never truly explaining his motives beyond human supremacy, and never willing to admit there could be a better option. As with most smug snakes, many of his arguments are [[LogicalFallacies full of holes]]. A number of his remarks are also often accompanied by an annoyingly smug grin. [[spoiler:Of course, Indoctrination has the effect of making even the best MagnificentBastard into a SmugSnake. A telltale sign he's indoctrinated is when he politely tells Shepard not to interfere anymore, as if that's supposed to deter them. Both Saren and Kenson before him had done the same, and all three ultimately devolved into child-like whining when the Indoctrination became most severe and when their plans started to fall apart]].
** This was also very much present in ''2'', though hidden more because [[ButThouMust the game would seldom let Shepard explicitly call out his fallacies.]] Almost all of the operations he funds result in [[EpicFail hilarious failures]] causing him to beg Shepard to clean up said messes, and he will continually attempt to manipulate Shepard in the most transparent ways possible, reaching levels of ImplausibleDeniability numerous times (such as asserting he didn't know anything about the Pragia facility, even though Shepard can find files in the Shadow Broker's base stating otherwise). Despite this, he is 100% convinced that Shepard will buy his arguments and bend to his will, no matter how many times Shepard blows him off or undermines him. This reaches its head at the Collector Base, where he's utterly ''shocked'' (and enraged) if Shepard chooses to blow up the base rather than hand it to him. Even if Shepard had spent the whole game as a Paragon whose every word to TIM dripped with contempt.

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* SmugSnake: SmugSnake:
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Not as bad as Leng (being voiced by Creator/MartinSheen helps), but prevalent in ''3''. Constantly giving arrogant lectures to Shepard whenever they meet, never truly explaining his motives beyond human supremacy, and never willing to admit there could be a better option. As with most smug snakes, many of his arguments are [[LogicalFallacies full of holes]]. A number of his remarks are also often accompanied by an annoyingly smug grin. [[spoiler:Of course, Indoctrination indoctrination has the effect of making even the best MagnificentBastard into a SmugSnake. A telltale sign he's indoctrinated is when he politely tells Shepard not to interfere anymore, as if that's supposed to deter them. Both Saren and Amanda Kenson before him had done the same, and all three ultimately devolved into child-like whining when the Indoctrination indoctrination became most severe and when their plans started to fall apart]].
** This was is also very much present in ''2'', though hidden more because [[ButThouMust the game would seldom let lets Shepard explicitly call out his fallacies.]] fallacies]]. Almost all of the operations he funds result in [[EpicFail hilarious failures]] causing him to beg Shepard to clean up said messes, and he will continually attempt to manipulate Shepard in the most transparent ways possible, reaching levels of ImplausibleDeniability numerous times (such as asserting he didn't know anything about the Pragia facility, even though Shepard can find files in the Shadow Broker's base stating otherwise). Despite this, he is 100% convinced that Shepard will buy his arguments and bend to his will, no matter how many times Shepard blows him off or undermines him. This reaches its head at the Collector Base, where he's utterly ''shocked'' (and enraged) if Shepard chooses to blow up the base rather than hand it to him. Even if Shepard had spent the whole game as a Paragon whose every word to TIM dripped with contempt.



* SpannerInTheWorks: Part of how Cerberus operates in ''3''. [[spoiler:Attacking Sur'Kesh to kill the fertile females, and attempting to set off a turian bomb on Tuchanka in order to prevent races from uniting. And if Shepard is diligent, Shepard spanners them right back every time]].
* StartOfDarkness: ''Mass Effect: Evolution''.
* SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute: To [[spoiler:Saren]] in ''Mass Effect 3''. [[spoiler:Both seek to use the Reapers as a means to secure the dominance of their race, and end up indoctrinated and implanted with Reaper tech for their efforts. Shepard can even talk the Illusive Man into suicide in an almost exact replication of Saren. According to a Prothean VI, every cycle has groups like these that emerge]].
* TalkingTheMonsterToDeath: [[spoiler:You can convince him to kill himself at the end of ''Mass Effect 3''. However, unlike with the encounter with Saren in the first game, which just requires a bunch of points in the Charm or Intimidate skills, the dialogue option to do this with the Illusive Man is ''very'' [[GuideDangIt difficult to unlock]]; you have to have a completely full Reputation bar, ''and'' have to have taken all of the Persuade options in ''every conversation you have with him during the game'']].
* [[spoiler: TouchedByVorlons: Before becoming the Illusive Man, he was exposed to a Reaper artefact that had an effect on him and is strongly implied to be the reason behind some of his personal abilities]].
* TheUnfought: In ''Mass Effect 3''. This is slightly justified since he is a NonActionBigBad. [[spoiler:A battle with him was originally intended, but they decided that going OneWingedAngel and turning into an unrecognizable monster didn't fit someone whose weapon had always been his mind[=/=]ideals. Or because it was "too videogamey"]].

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* SpannerInTheWorks: Part of how Cerberus operates in ''3''. [[spoiler:Attacking Sur'Kesh to kill the fertile females, and attempting to set off a turian bomb on Tuchanka in order to prevent races from uniting. And if Shepard is diligent, Shepard spanners them right back every time]].
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StartOfDarkness: ''Mass Effect: Evolution''.
* SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute: To [[spoiler:Saren]] in ''Mass Effect 3''. [[spoiler:Both seek to use the Reapers as a means to secure the dominance of their race, and end up indoctrinated and implanted with Reaper tech for their efforts. Shepard can even talk the Illusive Man into suicide in an almost exact replication of Saren. According to a Prothean VI, every cycle has groups like these that emerge]].
emerge.]]
* TalkingTheMonsterToDeath: [[spoiler:You can convince him to kill himself at the end of ''Mass Effect 3''. However, unlike with the encounter with Saren in the first game, which just requires a bunch of points in the Charm or Intimidate skills, the dialogue option to do this with the Illusive Man is ''very'' [[GuideDangIt difficult to unlock]]; you have to have a completely full Reputation bar, ''and'' have to have taken all of the Persuade options in ''every conversation you have with him during the game'']].
game''.]]
* [[spoiler: TouchedByVorlons: Before [[spoiler:Before becoming the Illusive Man, he was exposed to a Reaper artefact artifact that had an effect on him and is strongly implied to be the reason behind some of his personal abilities]].
abilities.]]
* TheUnfought: In ''Mass Effect 3''. This is slightly justified since he is a NonActionBigBad. [[spoiler:A battle with him was originally intended, but they decided that going OneWingedAngel and turning into an unrecognizable monster didn't fit someone whose weapon had always been his mind[=/=]ideals. Or because it was "too videogamey"]].videogamey."]]



* TragicHero[=/=]TragicVillain: He needs quite a bit of whitewashing to be considered a "hero", but the fact remains that he had the power, intelligence, knowledge (his information network nearly rivals the Shadow Broker's), and charisma to stand a significant chance of defeating the Reapers. [[spoiler:Too bad his {{pride}} led to him getting too close to Reaper tech and becoming one of their biggest assets against Shepard. It's hard to dispute that had the Illusive Man sided with Shepard when they encountered one another on Mars, the fight could have been won much sooner and more easily]].

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* TragicHero[=/=]TragicVillain: TragicVillain: He needs quite a bit of whitewashing to be considered a "hero", but the fact remains that he had the power, intelligence, knowledge (his information network nearly rivals the Shadow Broker's), and charisma to stand a significant chance of defeating the Reapers. [[spoiler:Too bad his {{pride}} led to him getting too close to Reaper tech and becoming one of their biggest assets against Shepard. It's hard to dispute that had the Illusive Man sided with Shepard when they encountered one another on Mars, the fight could have been won much sooner and more easily]].easily.]]



* UngratefulBastard: Cerberus will oppose Shepard in ''Mass Effect 3'' regardless of whether s/he [[spoiler:decided to destroy the Collector Base or not]], [[spoiler:though it later becomes clear that this is largely due to Indoctrination]].
* UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans: See the above quote. In this case, utopia = human dominance.
* VillainousBreakdown: [[spoiler:If you destroy the Collector Base]]. He doesn't rant and rave, but he's clearly ''not pleased'' that [[spoiler:Shepard basically gave him the middle finger and told him they're doing things Shepard's way from now on, or he can sod off]]. His last words before being cut off are even a pathetic "Think about everything Cerberus has done for you!".
** In ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', he has a pretty epic one when [[spoiler:confronting Shepard and Anderson at the endgame, especially if Shepard keeps pointing out that his plan to control the Reapers is failing because he himself is indoctrinated and playing into their hands]]. It ends with him either [[spoiler:ranting violently at Shepard and trying to shoot him/her and Anderson, or fighting off his Indoctrination and committing suicide]].
* VillainWithGoodPublicity: While he's painted as a terrorist by the Alliance, he does get an ambiguous portrayal in the second game that makes it possible for Shepard to ally with him. [[spoiler:In the third game, it turns out he's worked very hard on that facade by carefully selecting the Cerberus operatives that Shepard comes into contact with while never letting them get close to his more traditionally villainous schemes or henchmen. This is why the ''Normandy'' SR-2 is staffed by [[WideEyedIdealist "Cerberus is not anti-alien, it's pro-humanity" Kelly Chambers]] rather than [[FantasticRacism "Only a dead alien is a good alien" Kai Leng]] and why Shepard's technological assets are an uprated version of his/her old ship and a fairly benign AI rather than whatever husk-related crimes against sapience Cerberus cooked up in its atrocity factories.]]

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* UngratefulBastard: Cerberus will oppose Shepard in ''Mass Effect 3'' regardless of whether s/he [[spoiler:decided to destroy the Collector Base or not]], [[spoiler:though it later becomes clear that this is largely due to Indoctrination]].
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UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans: See the above quote. In this case, utopia = human dominance.
* VillainousBreakdown: VillainousBreakdown:
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[[spoiler:If you destroy the Collector Base]]. He doesn't rant and rave, but he's clearly ''not pleased'' that [[spoiler:Shepard basically gave him the middle finger and told him they're doing things Shepard's way from now on, or he can sod off]]. His last words before being cut off are even a pathetic "Think about everything Cerberus has done for you!".
you!"
** In ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', he has a pretty epic one when [[spoiler:confronting Shepard and Anderson at the endgame, especially if Shepard keeps pointing out that his plan to control the Reapers is failing because he himself is indoctrinated and playing into their hands]]. It ends with him either [[spoiler:ranting violently at Shepard and trying to shoot him/her and Anderson, or fighting off his Indoctrination indoctrination and committing suicide]].
* VillainWithGoodPublicity: While he's painted as a terrorist by the Alliance, he does get an ambiguous portrayal in the second game that makes it possible for Shepard to ally with him. [[spoiler:In the third game, it turns out he's worked very hard on that facade by carefully selecting the Cerberus operatives that Shepard comes into contact with while never letting them get close to his more traditionally villainous schemes or henchmen. This is why the ''Normandy'' SR-2 is staffed by people like [[WideEyedIdealist "Cerberus is not anti-alien, it's pro-humanity" Kelly Chambers]] rather than [[FantasticRacism "Only a dead alien is a good alien" Kai Leng]] and why Shepard's technological assets are an uprated version of his/her old ship and a fairly benign AI rather than whatever husk-related crimes against sapience Cerberus cooked up in its atrocity factories.]]



* VisionaryVillain: Designed to be the best and worst of humanity all at once. [[Pantheon/{{Villains}} Deified.]]

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* VisionaryVillain: Designed to be the best and worst of humanity all at once. [[Pantheon/{{Villains}} Deified.]]



* WouldntHurtAChild: He approves of a lot of extremely shady and unethical scientific experiments to advance Cerberus' cause, but apparently [[spoiler:took action to shut down the Teltin facility on Pragia, which was running brutal experiments on children like Jack to create super biotics]]. Later [[AvertedTrope averted]] when [[spoiler:he uses the refugees, including entire ''families'', on Horizon as test subjects in his experiments into Indoctrination]]. Though at that point [[spoiler:he's pretty deep into being indoctrinated himself.]]

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* WouldntHurtAChild: He approves of a lot of extremely shady and unethical scientific experiments to advance Cerberus' cause, but apparently [[spoiler:took action to shut down the Teltin facility on Pragia, which was running brutal experiments on children like Jack to create super biotics]]. Later [[AvertedTrope averted]] when [[spoiler:he uses the refugees, including entire ''families'', on Horizon as test subjects in his experiments into Indoctrination]].indoctrination]]. Though at that point [[spoiler:he's pretty deep into being indoctrinated himself.]]
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* AlasPoorVillain: [[spoiler:No matter how he dies, his death is given a great deal of emotional weight. If Shepard convinces him of his indoctrination, he becomes horrified at what he's done and shoots himself to end it. If Shepard is the one to shoot him, he takes one last look at his beloved homeworld and comments how beautiful and perfect Earth is in his eyes.]]

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* AlasPoorVillain: [[spoiler:No matter how he dies, his death is given a great deal of emotional weight. If Shepard convinces him of his indoctrination, Indoctrination, he becomes horrified at what he's done and shoots himself to end it. If Shepard is the one to shoot him, he takes one last look at his beloved homeworld and comments how beautiful and perfect Earth is in his eyes.]]



** BigBadDuumvirate: [[spoiler:Subverted, despite what the characters believe. While Harbinger and Cerberus largely ignore a direct confrontation throughout most of ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', the Illusive Man took great steps to control the Reapers in the meantime -- he ordered Henry Lawson to study indoctrination, buffed Cerberus to NGOSuperpower status and modified himself with Reaper tech so he could use the Crucible. Once Harbinger finds out, the Reapers storm Sanctuary in a brief moment of EvilVersusEvil. However, that research ultimately led to the Illusive Man himself becoming indoctrinated (or strengthening it, since his eyes ''are'' Reaper tech). By the final confrontation, it's made clear that TIM was little more than TheStarscream.]]

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** BigBadDuumvirate: [[spoiler:Subverted, despite what the characters believe. While Harbinger and Cerberus largely ignore a direct confrontation throughout most of ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', the Illusive Man took great steps to control the Reapers in the meantime -- he ordered Henry Lawson to study indoctrination, Indoctrination, buffed Cerberus to NGOSuperpower status and modified himself with Reaper tech so he could use the Crucible. Once Harbinger finds out, the Reapers storm Sanctuary in a brief moment of EvilVersusEvil. However, that research ultimately led to the Illusive Man himself becoming indoctrinated (or strengthening it, since his eyes ''are'' Reaper tech). By the final confrontation, it's made clear that TIM was little more than TheStarscream.]]



* ElectronicEyes: [[spoiler: A sign that he's already undergoing indoctrination.]]

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* ElectronicEyes: [[spoiler: A sign that he's already undergoing indoctrination.Indoctrination.]]



** He seems to consider cooperating with non-humans as this kind of arrangement. Which is ironic considering that he helped save the entire turian race from indoctrination back when he was still a mercenary.

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** He seems to consider cooperating with non-humans as this kind of arrangement. Which is ironic considering that he helped save the entire turian race from indoctrination Indoctrination back when he was still a mercenary.



* MotiveDecay: [[spoiler: Indoctrination can do that. If every Paragon response is chosen, you can see him visibly struggling against indoctrination during the Thessia mission, where he falters for a moment when Shepard asks him [[ArmourPiercingQuestion how he can possibly justify betraying humanity]] by fighting them, instead of the ''Reapers?!'']]

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* MotiveDecay: [[spoiler: Indoctrination can do that. If every Paragon response is chosen, you can see him visibly struggling against indoctrination Indoctrination during the Thessia mission, where he falters for a moment when Shepard asks him [[ArmourPiercingQuestion how he can possibly justify betraying humanity]] by fighting them, instead of the ''Reapers?!'']]



* UngratefulBastard: Cerberus will oppose Shepard in ''Mass Effect 3'' regardless of whether s/he [[spoiler:decided to destroy the Collector base or not]], [[spoiler:though it later becomes clear that this is largely due to indoctrination]].

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* UngratefulBastard: Cerberus will oppose Shepard in ''Mass Effect 3'' regardless of whether s/he [[spoiler:decided to destroy the Collector base Base or not]], [[spoiler:though it later becomes clear that this is largely due to indoctrination]].Indoctrination]].



* VillainousBreakdown: [[spoiler:If you destroy the Collector base]]. He doesn't rant and rave, but he's clearly ''not pleased'' that [[spoiler:Shepard basically gave him the middle finger and told him they're doing things Shepard's way from now on, or he can sod off]]. His last words before being cut off are even a pathetic "Think about everything Cerberus has done for you!".
** In ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', he has a pretty epic one when [[spoiler:confronting Shepard and Anderson at the endgame, especially if Shepard keeps pointing out that his plan to control the Reapers is failing because he himself is indoctrinated and playing into their hands]]. It ends with him either [[spoiler:ranting violently at Shepard and trying to shoot him/her and Anderson, or fighting off his indoctrination and committing suicide]].

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* VillainousBreakdown: [[spoiler:If you destroy the Collector base]].Base]]. He doesn't rant and rave, but he's clearly ''not pleased'' that [[spoiler:Shepard basically gave him the middle finger and told him they're doing things Shepard's way from now on, or he can sod off]]. His last words before being cut off are even a pathetic "Think about everything Cerberus has done for you!".
** In ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', he has a pretty epic one when [[spoiler:confronting Shepard and Anderson at the endgame, especially if Shepard keeps pointing out that his plan to control the Reapers is failing because he himself is indoctrinated and playing into their hands]]. It ends with him either [[spoiler:ranting violently at Shepard and trying to shoot him/her and Anderson, or fighting off his indoctrination Indoctrination and committing suicide]].



* WouldntHurtAChild: He approves of a lot of extremely shady and unethical scientific experiments to advance Cerberus' cause, but apparently [[spoiler:took action to shut down the Teltin facility on Pragia, which was running brutal experiments on children like Jack to create super biotics]]. Later [[AvertedTrope averted]] when [[spoiler:he uses the refugees, including entire ''families'', on Horizon as test subjects in his experiments into indoctrination]]. Though at that point [[spoiler:he's pretty deep into being indoctrinated himself.]]

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* WouldntHurtAChild: He approves of a lot of extremely shady and unethical scientific experiments to advance Cerberus' cause, but apparently [[spoiler:took action to shut down the Teltin facility on Pragia, which was running brutal experiments on children like Jack to create super biotics]]. Later [[AvertedTrope averted]] when [[spoiler:he uses the refugees, including entire ''families'', on Horizon as test subjects in his experiments into indoctrination]].Indoctrination]]. Though at that point [[spoiler:he's pretty deep into being indoctrinated himself.]]
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** [[spoiler:What Paragon Shepard does to him after destroying the Collector base. Bonus points for Miranda doing it too, when asked to convince him/her not to do it. Extra bonus points for "Shut up" being the actual dialogue option that shows up on screen]].

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** [[spoiler:What Paragon Shepard does to him after destroying the Collector base.Base. Bonus points for Miranda doing it too, when asked to convince him/her not to do it. Extra bonus points for "Shut up" being the actual dialogue option that shows up on screen]].



* SmugSnake: Not as bad as Leng (being voiced by Creator/MartinSheen helps), but prevalent in ''3''. Constantly giving arrogant lectures to Shepard whenever they meet, never truly explaining his motives beyond human supremacy, and never willing to admit there could be a better option. As with most smug snakes, many of his arguments are [[LogicalFallacies full of holes]]. A number of his remarks are also often accompanied by an annoyingly smug grin. [[spoiler:Of course, indoctrination has the effect of making even the best MagnificentBastard into a SmugSnake. A telltale sign he's indoctrinated is when he politely tells Shepard not to interfere anymore, as if that's supposed to deter them. Both Saren and Kenson before him had done the same, and all three ultimately devolved into child-like whining when the indoctrination became most severe and when their plans started to fall apart]].

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* SmugSnake: Not as bad as Leng (being voiced by Creator/MartinSheen helps), but prevalent in ''3''. Constantly giving arrogant lectures to Shepard whenever they meet, never truly explaining his motives beyond human supremacy, and never willing to admit there could be a better option. As with most smug snakes, many of his arguments are [[LogicalFallacies full of holes]]. A number of his remarks are also often accompanied by an annoyingly smug grin. [[spoiler:Of course, indoctrination Indoctrination has the effect of making even the best MagnificentBastard into a SmugSnake. A telltale sign he's indoctrinated is when he politely tells Shepard not to interfere anymore, as if that's supposed to deter them. Both Saren and Kenson before him had done the same, and all three ultimately devolved into child-like whining when the indoctrination Indoctrination became most severe and when their plans started to fall apart]].
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** If Shepard dies he seems genuinely remorseful in private, regardless of what s\he did to the Collector base.

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** If Shepard dies he seems genuinely remorseful in private, regardless of what s\he did to the Collector base.Base.



** Though given the aggressiveness with which he tries to convince Shepard to preserve the Collector base, it seems likely that he was afraid that Shepard wouldn't listen to him, and was trying to appeal to their drive to stop the Reapers, as well as drawing parallels between the Collector Base and the Lazarus Project in order to exploit any possible gratitude Shepard may have had for being saved by Cerberus.

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** Though given the aggressiveness with which he tries to convince Shepard to preserve the Collector base, Base, it seems likely that he was afraid that Shepard wouldn't listen to him, and was trying to appeal to their drive to stop the Reapers, as well as drawing parallels between the Collector Base and the Lazarus Project in order to exploit any possible gratitude Shepard may have had for being saved by Cerberus.



* NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist: He claims he wants the best for humanity, but ''humanity'' and Cerberus are the same thing in his mind. In the end, he just want's to secure his own personal power, no matter how hard he tries to deny it.
* OOCIsSeriousBusiness: He remains extraordinarily calm and coolheaded in basically all of his scenes, even in ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'' when the Reapers have invaded and [[spoiler:Cerberus is completely falling apart]]. He only gets upset in two very specific scenes: [[spoiler:the Paragon ending of ''VideoGame/MassEffect2'', in which he chews out Shepard for destroying the Collector base, and the ending of ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'' when he's confronted by Shepard and Anderson on a Reaper-occupied Citadel]]. Both are extremely important character moments for the him.

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* NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist: He claims he wants the best for humanity, but ''humanity'' humanity and Cerberus are the same thing in his mind. In the end, he just want's wants to secure his own personal power, no matter how hard he tries to deny it.
* OOCIsSeriousBusiness: He remains extraordinarily calm and coolheaded in basically all of his scenes, even in ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'' when the Reapers have invaded and [[spoiler:Cerberus is completely falling apart]]. He only gets upset in two very specific scenes: [[spoiler:the Paragon ending of ''VideoGame/MassEffect2'', in which he chews out Shepard for destroying the Collector base, Base, and the ending of ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'' when he's confronted by Shepard and Anderson on a Reaper-occupied Citadel]]. Both are extremely important character moments for the him.



* PsychoticSmirk: [[spoiler:Give him the Collector base at the end of the game, and he'll have a rather creepy one of these]].

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* PsychoticSmirk: [[spoiler:Give him the Collector base Base at the end of the game, and he'll have a rather creepy one of these]].



* ReallyGetsAround: According to his Shadow Broker dossier, he's something of a [[ThePornomancer pornomancer]], though [[EmpoweredBadassNormal there could be one]] [[RuleOfCool two reasons for that]].

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* ReallyGetsAround: According to his Shadow Broker dossier, he's something of a [[ThePornomancer pornomancer]], though [[EmpoweredBadassNormal there could be one]] one]], [[RuleOfCool two reasons for that]].
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** Another argument among players about the decision about the Collector station was based on the theme of ''earning'' your advancement. Some may see preserving the Collector base similar as uplifting themselves with tech they don't "deserve" like the krogan did thanks to the salarians, with disastrous consequences. Others tend to argue that the galaxy is on the brink of annihilation and humanity needs to take risks. In some ways the game favor the first argument; after all the Mass Relays are specifically an impossibly clever trap that begins with giving species the Mass Effect technology, and TIM himself becomes indoctrinated and by and large plays into the Reapers' hands. However, TIM's breakthrough in Horizon does seems to take the Reapers by surprise, and ultimately [[spoiler:''VideoGame/MassEffect3'' leaves it up to you to decide whether or not his plan to control and harness the Reapers is a good idea.]]

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** Another argument among players about the decision about the Collector station was based on the theme of ''earning'' your advancement. Some may see preserving the Collector base Base similar as uplifting themselves with tech they don't "deserve" like the krogan did thanks to the salarians, with disastrous consequences. Others tend to argue that the galaxy is on the brink of annihilation and humanity needs to take risks. In some ways the game favor the first argument; after all the Mass Relays are specifically an impossibly clever trap that begins with giving species the Mass Effect technology, and TIM himself becomes indoctrinated and by and large plays into the Reapers' hands. However, TIM's breakthrough in Horizon does seems to take the Reapers by surprise, and ultimately [[spoiler:''VideoGame/MassEffect3'' leaves it up to you to decide whether or not his plan to control and harness the Reapers is a good idea.]]



* LargeHam: Normally, he's not like this. But in ''3'', [[spoiler: during his VillainousBreakdown, he starts channeling [[Franchise/StarWars Palpatine]] when Shepard points out the fact he's indoctrinated and his plan to control the Reapers will not work]].
* LastSecondChance: Paragon Shepard will keep offering this. The only reason TIM doesn't accept is that he's indoctrinated.
-->'''The Illusive Man:''' Your idealism is... admirable, Shepard.



* LargeHam: Normally, he's not like this. But in ''3'', [[spoiler: during his VillainousBreakdown, he starts channeling [[Franchise/StarWars Palpatine]] when Shepard points out the fact he's Indoctrinated and his plan to control the Reapers will not work]].
* LastSecondChance: Paragon Shepard will keep offering this. The only reason TIM doesn't accept is that he's indoctrinated.
-->'''The Illusive Man:''' Your idealism is... admirable, Shepard.
* ManipulativeBastard: Although he is not as manipulative as he wants to think, what with trying (and failing) to persuade Paragon Shepard to [[spoiler:save the Collector base]].

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* LargeHam: Normally, he's not like this. But in ''3'', [[spoiler: during his VillainousBreakdown, he starts channeling [[Franchise/StarWars Palpatine]] when Shepard points out the fact he's Indoctrinated and his plan to control the Reapers will not work]].
* LastSecondChance: Paragon Shepard will keep offering this. The only reason TIM doesn't accept is that he's indoctrinated.
-->'''The Illusive Man:''' Your idealism is... admirable, Shepard.
* ManipulativeBastard: Although he is not as manipulative as he wants to think, what with trying (and failing) to persuade Paragon Shepard to [[spoiler:save the Collector base]].Base]].
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** Another argument among players about the decision about the Collector station was based on the theme of ''earning'' your advancement. Some may see preserving the collector base similar as uplifting themselves with tech they don't "deserve" like the Krogan did thanks to the Salarians, with disastrous consequences. Others tend to argue that the galaxy is on the brink of annihilation and humanity needs to take risks. In some ways the game favor the first argument, after all the Mass Relays are specifically an impossibly clever trap that begins with giving Species the Mass Effect technology, and TIM himself becomes indoctrinated and by and large plays into the Reapers' hands. However, TIM's breakthrough in Horizon does seems to take the Reapers by surprise, and ultimately [[spoiler:''VideoGame/MassEffect3'' leaves it up to you to decide whether or not his plan to control and harness the Reapers is a good idea.]]

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** Another argument among players about the decision about the Collector station was based on the theme of ''earning'' your advancement. Some may see preserving the collector Collector base similar as uplifting themselves with tech they don't "deserve" like the Krogan krogan did thanks to the Salarians, salarians, with disastrous consequences. Others tend to argue that the galaxy is on the brink of annihilation and humanity needs to take risks. In some ways the game favor the first argument, argument; after all the Mass Relays are specifically an impossibly clever trap that begins with giving Species species the Mass Effect technology, and TIM himself becomes indoctrinated and by and large plays into the Reapers' hands. However, TIM's breakthrough in Horizon does seems to take the Reapers by surprise, and ultimately [[spoiler:''VideoGame/MassEffect3'' leaves it up to you to decide whether or not his plan to control and harness the Reapers is a good idea.]]



* FightingFromTheInside: [[spoiler: A Paragon Shepard can help The Illusive Man realize he is indoctrinated. He starts to noticeably struggle more and more to justify his actions almost as if he is in physical pain. Continue this path can finally help him break their control long enough for him to kill himself.]]
* {{Foreshadowing}}. In ''2'', TIM mentions his eyes are enhanced by Reaper technology. You don't say.[[note]]Reaper technology, however, doesn't indoctinate. Contact with Reapers, even ''dead'' ones, does, so it's probable TIM could have investigated the Leviathan of Dis or his experimentation in creating Husks got him ''too'' close to the Reapers influence.[[/note]]

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* FightingFromTheInside: [[spoiler: A Paragon Shepard can help The Illusive Man realize he is indoctrinated. He starts to noticeably struggle more and more to justify his actions almost as if he is in physical pain. Continue Continuing this path can finally help him break their control long enough for him to kill himself.]]
* {{Foreshadowing}}. In ''2'', TIM mentions his eyes are enhanced by Reaper technology. You don't say.[[note]]Reaper technology, however, doesn't indoctinate. Contact with Reapers, even ''dead'' ones, does, so it's probable TIM could have investigated the Leviathan of Dis or his experimentation in creating Husks got him ''too'' close to the Reapers Reapers' influence.[[/note]]
20th Jan '17 7:37:27 AM SorPepita
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** However, his response to "Overlord"'s Renegade ending claims while he thought the experiments went too far, he's happy that Shepard decided to keep the research subject within Cerberus. For the Paragon ending, he complains that "Though your decision is understandable, it has set our efforts to understand the geth back several years." (This makes even less sense if Shepard already has Legion as a squadmate, though this could be an oversight on the author's part.) It's possible that while the Illusive Man would happily reap the fruits of even the most unethical projects, he values Shepard's loyalty enough to go along with what s/he chooses to do.

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** However, his response to "Overlord"'s ''Overlord'''s Renegade ending claims that while he thought the experiments went too far, he's happy that Shepard decided to keep the research subject within Cerberus. For the Paragon ending, he complains that "Though your decision is understandable, it has set our efforts to understand the geth back several years." (This makes even less sense if Shepard already has Legion as a squadmate, though this could be an oversight on the author's part.) It's possible that while the Illusive Man would happily reap the fruits of even the most unethical projects, he values Shepard's loyalty enough to go along with what s/he chooses to do.
20th Jan '17 7:35:04 AM SorPepita
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* CunningLinguist: Apparently can speak the asari and turian dialects unaided by universal translator, although this is apparently because of [[spoiler:the Reaper tech he was implanted with]].

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* CunningLinguist: Apparently can speak the asari and turian dialects unaided by universal translator, although this is apparently seemingly because of [[spoiler:the Reaper tech he was implanted with]].



* DevilInPlainSight: Doesn't matter whether Shepard is Paragon or Renegade; you always get dialogue options about whether or not the Illusive Man is trustworthy, and whether he knows more than he lets on at the end of several missions (in both cases, often to his face). Granted, a lot of this is to do with Cerberus's reputation and the player's experience of them in the previous game, but even so, its clear that Shepard and other characters are wary of him and his organization, especially as the game goes on and it becomes more and more obvious that they are still up to no good.

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* DevilInPlainSight: Doesn't matter whether Shepard is Paragon or Renegade; you always get dialogue options about whether or not the Illusive Man is trustworthy, and whether he knows more than he lets on at the end of several missions (in both cases, often to his face). Granted, a lot of this is to do with Cerberus's reputation and the player's experience of them in the previous game, but even so, its it's clear that Shepard and other characters are wary of him and his organization, especially as the game goes on and it becomes more and more obvious that they are still up to no good.



** Averted if Shepard doesn't survive. Regardless of what became of Collector Base, the star will remain it's normal color (orange with hues of blue).

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** Averted if Shepard doesn't survive. Regardless of what became of Collector Base, the star will remain it's its normal color (orange with hues of blue).
20th Jan '17 7:29:38 AM SorPepita
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*** Removing any chance of Kaidan/Ashley's interference by either getting them abducted by the Collectors, or forcing Shepard to confront them regarding Shepard's newfound allegiance to Cerberus, which very likely looked worse than it actually was. Either Kaidan/Ashley will cut all ties with Shepard, or begrudgingly accept the decision as a [[IDidWhatIHadToDo necessary one]]. [[XanatosGambit All three outcomes works out for the Illusive Man.]]

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*** Removing any chance of Kaidan/Ashley's interference by either getting them abducted by the Collectors, or forcing Shepard to confront them regarding Shepard's newfound allegiance to Cerberus, which very likely looked worse than it actually was. Either Kaidan/Ashley will cut all ties with Shepard, or begrudgingly accept the decision as a [[IDidWhatIHadToDo necessary one]]. [[XanatosGambit All three outcomes works work out for the Illusive Man.]]
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