History Manga / BillyBat

22nd Jul '16 4:38:17 PM Lanthorn
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** HumansNeedAliens / PunyEarthlings: Seeing as the bat's origin was [[spoiler: a meteor that crashed to earth]]: "Ever since that time... You all [humanity/those who can see the bat] has never stopped asking me: [='=]'''''What should I do?'''''[='=]"

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** HumansNeedAliens / PunyEarthlings: Seeing as the bat's origin was [[spoiler: a meteor that crashed to earth]]: "Ever since that time... You all [humanity/those who can see the bat] has never stopped asking me: me (puts on [[HumansAreMorons pouty/whiny face]]) [='=]'''''What should I do?'''''[='=]"



* ManipulativeBastard: the Bat and whoever is/trying to control it.

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* ManipulativeBastard: the Bat and whoever is/trying is/tries to control it.



* NoKillLikeOverkill: The lengths Chuck Culkin Enterprises would go to protect its interests, from killing bootleggers and "fan artists" to obliterating a "cult of bat-worshipers" in Tibet [[spoiler: they're just hiding]] to plowing into a crowded newsstand just to kill one snooping lawyer.

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* NoKillLikeOverkill: The lengths Chuck Culkin Enterprises would go to protect its interests, from killing bootleggers and "fan artists" of Kevin Yamagata's bat to obliterating a "cult of bat-worshipers" in Tibet [[spoiler: they're just hiding]] to plowing into a crowded newsstand just to kill one snooping lawyer.lawyer [[spoiler: they're stopped by Audrey who happens to need an exceptionally brave lawyer to find a certain Japanese-American artist hiding in Texas]].



* WellIntentionedExtremist: Timmy in 2017 has expanded Culkin Enterprises into water and power (and dismisses accusations by a lawyer who [[EveryoneIsRelated happens to be an ex-girlfriend of Kevin Goodman]] that his operations are polluting the land and poisoning the inhabitants) because he wants to save the world -- specifically [[ItsAllAboutMe all of Billy Bat's current and future fans]] so Billy can live ''forever''. Well, [[UnreliableNarrator that's what he's claiming anyway]]. [[spoiler: He then orders his men to eliminate the lawyer.]]

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* WellIntentionedExtremist: Timmy in 2017 has expanded Culkin Enterprises into water and power (and dismisses accusations by a lawyer who [[EveryoneIsRelated happens to be an ex-girlfriend of Kevin Goodman]] that his operations are polluting the land and poisoning the inhabitants) because he wants to save the world -- specifically [[ItsAllAboutMe all of Billy Bat's current and future fans]] so Billy can live ''forever''. Well, [[UnreliableNarrator that's what he's claiming anyway]].he's doing]]. [[spoiler: He then orders his men to eliminate the lawyer.]]
22nd Jul '16 4:21:42 PM Lanthorn
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* ButNotTooForeign: Kevin is a Nisei (second-generation) Japanese-American, as are the Momochis; Timmy is half-Japanese, half-German (though it's unknown how much he knows about his parentage).

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* ButNotTooForeign: Kevin is a Nisei (second-generation) Japanese-American, as are the Momochis; Timmy is half-Japanese, half-German (though it's unknown how much he knows about his parentage).half-German.



* [[NonIndicativeFirstEpisode Non-Indicative First Chapter]]
* NoNameGiven: [[spoiler: Fake!Chuck Culkin's real name has yet to be revealed, even though the latest arc depicts his backstory as a WWII German soldier]].
** MysteriousParent: [[spoiler: Audrey Culkin tried to investigate her father's past and found absolutely nothing.]]



* NoKillLikeOverkill: The lengths Chuck Culkin Enterprises would go to protect its interests, from killing bootleggers and "fan artists" to obliterating a "cult of bat-worshipers" in Tibet [[spoiler: they're just hiding]] to plowing into a crowded newsstand just to kill one snooping lawyer.
* NoNameGiven: [[spoiler: Fake!Chuck Culkin's real name has yet to be revealed, even though the latest arc depicts his backstory as a WWII German soldier]].
** MysteriousParent: [[spoiler: Audrey Culkin tried to investigate her father's past and found absolutely nothing.]]
* [[NonIndicativeFirstEpisode Non-Indicative First Chapter]]



* RealityWarper: The bat allows people to either [[YouCantFightFate predict the future]] or [[WindsOfDestinyChange change it]], [[MindScrew (apparently)]].

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* RealityWarper: The bat allows people to either [[YouCantFightFate predict the future]] or [[WindsOfDestinyChange change it]], [[MindScrew (apparently)]]. It used to have the power to "fix" reality but they've run out of "lives" and this one's all we've got.



* RuleOfThree: [[spoiler: There's actually three bats. It used to be one being until it fell to earth in prehistoric times. "Black" and "White" are on earth manipulating humanity while the third one was observing things on the moon.]]

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* RuleOfThree: [[spoiler: The Three Lee Harvey Oswalds ([[FourIsDeath four]] if you count the original).
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There's actually three bats. It used to be one being until it fell to earth in prehistoric times. "Black" and "White" are on earth manipulating humanity while the third one was observing things on the moon.]]



** In the original comics, Billy Bat is a private eye, clearly evoking Sam Spade of the Maltese Falcon who eventually becomes an inspiration for Dick Tracy. The 'real' segments with Kevin start off with every indication that this is Urasawa's Cavalier and Clay, then the mind screw happens.

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** In the original comics, Billy Bat is a private eye, clearly evoking Sam Spade of the Maltese Falcon who eventually becomes an inspiration for Dick Tracy. The 'real' segments with Kevin start off with every indication that this is Urasawa's Cavalier and Clay, ''Literature/TheAmazingAdventuresOfKavalierAndClay'', then the mind screw happens.



* StepfordSmiler: Timmy as head of Culkin Enterprises: His ''Billy Bat'' is bad (his own agents think it's "boring") and his attempts to "save Billy's fans" by expanding into water and power so they can withstand climate change is poisoning them instead (though he denies it) but he always has a serene expression on his face -- at least until he starts explaining his plan to save the world and gets increasingly unhinged-looking.



* ViciousCycle: [[spoiler: The black bat thinks all of the white bat's plans to save humanity/use humans to save the world are like this because ''they keep winding up in the same awful place''.]]

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* UsedToBeASweetKid: We first meet Timmy as an innocent, adorable child who liked to draw. Currently, see Well-Intentioned Extremist.
* ViciousCycle: [[spoiler: The black bat thinks all of the white bat's plans to save humanity/use humans to save the world are like this because ''they no matter what they do they keep winding up in such a bad spot they need to be bailed out by the same awful place''.bats.]]



* WellIntentionedExtremist: Timmy in 2017 has expanded Culkin Enterprises into water and power (and dismisses accusations by a lawyer who happens to be an ex-girlfriend of Kevin Goodman that his operations are polluting the land and poisoning the inhabitants) because he wants to save the world -- specifically [[ItsAllAboutMe all of Billy Bat's current and future fans]] so Billy can live ''forever''. [[spoiler: He then orders his men to "eliminate" the lawyer.]]

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* WellIntentionedExtremist: Timmy in 2017 has expanded Culkin Enterprises into water and power (and dismisses accusations by a lawyer who [[EveryoneIsRelated happens to be an ex-girlfriend of Kevin Goodman Goodman]] that his operations are polluting the land and poisoning the inhabitants) because he wants to save the world -- specifically [[ItsAllAboutMe all of Billy Bat's current and future fans]] so Billy can live ''forever''. Well, [[UnreliableNarrator that's what he's claiming anyway]]. [[spoiler: He then orders his men to "eliminate" eliminate the lawyer.]]


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** Chapter 159-160. [[spoiler: There's a ''third'' bat observing things on the moon, they used to be one being, and it came from outer space]].
22nd Jul '16 3:42:41 PM Lanthorn
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* ButNotTooForeign: Kevin is a Nisei (second-generation) Japanese-American.

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* ButNotTooForeign: Kevin is a Nisei (second-generation) Japanese-American.Japanese-American, as are the Momochis; Timmy is half-Japanese, half-German (though it's unknown how much he knows about his parentage).



** Turns out [[spoiler: The white bat wants to save the world using humans while the black bat wants to destroy humanity to save the world. The '''third bat''' (whose "color" isn't mentioned) has been observing them from the moon for millennia.]]



* HumanityIsYoung: From the bat's perspective. He appeared in caveman times and from his POV we're still cavemen.
** HumansNeedAliens / PunyEarthlings: Seeing as the bat's origin was [[spoiler: a meteor that crashed to earth]]: "Ever since that time... You all [humanity/those who can see the bat] has never stopped asking me: [='=]'''''What should I do?'''''[='=]"



* ItWillNeverCatchOn: "Who's gonna read a comic that isn't for kids?"

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* ItWillNeverCatchOn: "Who's gonna read a comic that Ethat isn't for kids?"


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** [[spoiler: There's ''three'' bats who used to be one, and it/they are from outer space]].


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* RuleOfThree: [[spoiler: There's actually three bats. It used to be one being until it fell to earth in prehistoric times. "Black" and "White" are on earth manipulating humanity while the third one was observing things on the moon.]]


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** The Bat to Kevin Goodman in 2017, after revealing they've run out of alternate earths and this one MUST be saved: "You can't go back, anymore. There's only one thing left for you to do. Now go on... and draw."


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* ViciousCycle: [[spoiler: The black bat thinks all of the white bat's plans to save humanity/use humans to save the world are like this because ''they keep winding up in the same awful place''.]]


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* WellIntentionedExtremist: Timmy in 2017 has expanded Culkin Enterprises into water and power (and dismisses accusations by a lawyer who happens to be an ex-girlfriend of Kevin Goodman that his operations are polluting the land and poisoning the inhabitants) because he wants to save the world -- specifically [[ItsAllAboutMe all of Billy Bat's current and future fans]] so Billy can live ''forever''. [[spoiler: He then orders his men to "eliminate" the lawyer.]]
1st Jul '16 7:06:46 PM nombretomado
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** Zofuu-sensei looks like the assassin from ''TwentiethCenturyBoys''.

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** Zofuu-sensei looks like the assassin from ''TwentiethCenturyBoys''.''Manga/TwentiethCenturyBoys''.



** Jackie Momochi is a less ditzy [[TwentiethCenturyBoys Kyoko Koizumi.]] They even end up having to do their class reports through similar misunderstandings.

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** Jackie Momochi is a less ditzy [[TwentiethCenturyBoys [[Manga/TwentiethCenturyBoys Kyoko Koizumi.]] They even end up having to do their class reports through similar misunderstandings.
28th Jun '16 10:04:21 AM Doug86
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Kevin Yamagata was born to Japanese immigrants in California in the 1920s, and during World War II he worked with allied forces in Japan as an interpreter. After the war he became a comic book writer, and by 1949 his series Billy Bat, about a private detective in a world populated by animals, is a huge hit whose popularity rivals the biggest titles of {{DC Comics}}. His comfortable life comes crashing down when the police use his apartment for a stakeout, and one of them notes that his work is very similar to a Japanese manga. Kevin is horrified that he may have subconsciously plagiarized a work he saw while in Japan, and promptly stops work on the comic to go back and investigate.

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Kevin Yamagata was born to Japanese immigrants in California in the 1920s, and during World War II he worked with allied forces in Japan as an interpreter. After the war he became a comic book writer, and by 1949 his series Billy Bat, about a private detective in a world populated by animals, is a huge hit whose popularity rivals the biggest titles of {{DC Comics}}.Creator/DCComics. His comfortable life comes crashing down when the police use his apartment for a stakeout, and one of them notes that his work is very similar to a Japanese manga. Kevin is horrified that he may have subconsciously plagiarized a work he saw while in Japan, and promptly stops work on the comic to go back and investigate.
27th Jun '16 1:31:18 AM biznizz
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* NiceJobBrekaingItHero: [[spoiler: Kevin Goodman passing the artist/writer duties of the Billy Bat comic to Timmy Sanada, who went on to became the current BigBad.]]

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* NiceJobBrekaingItHero: NiceJobBreakingItHero: [[spoiler: Kevin Goodman passing the artist/writer duties of the Billy Bat comic to Timmy Sanada, who went on to became the current BigBad.]]
15th Jun '16 9:54:43 PM Doug86
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A manga series by Creator/NaokiUrasawa, the man behind ''{{Anime/Monster}}'', ''Manga/TwentiethCenturyBoys'', and ''Manga/{{Pluto}}''.

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A manga series by Creator/NaokiUrasawa, the man behind ''{{Anime/Monster}}'', ''Anime/{{Monster}}'', ''Manga/TwentiethCenturyBoys'', and ''Manga/{{Pluto}}''.



* LawyerFriendlyCameo: Kevin works for [[MarvelComics Marble Comics]] and by TheFifties Billy has his own theme park in Florida.

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* LawyerFriendlyCameo: Kevin works for [[MarvelComics [[Creator/MarvelComics Marble Comics]] and by TheFifties Billy has his own theme park in Florida.
7th Jun '16 6:55:24 PM Willbyr
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** Kevin is a dead-ringer for Sahad, Agent Smith for Gesicht, and [[spoiler:the real Chuck Culkin]] for Professor Hoffman, all from ''{{Pluto}}''.

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** Kevin is a dead-ringer for Sahad, Agent Smith for Gesicht, and [[spoiler:the real Chuck Culkin]] for Professor Hoffman, all from ''{{Pluto}}''.''Manga/{{Pluto}}''.
2nd Mar '16 5:26:31 PM Klaudandus
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* AnArmAndALeg: [[spoiler: Kevin Yamagata survived his shooting, but lost both arms.]]
9th Feb '16 9:18:57 AM Angewomon
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* SavingTheWorldWithArt: Literally. Mangaka who can see Billy Bat can create manga that actually influences the course of history. But this being Urasawa, it's most certainly played with. [[spoiler: Kevin Goodman prevented Kiyoshi from resetting history and destroying the world, but he changed too much. It's heavily implied that his changes set the course for 9/11...and possibly something even worse.]]

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* SavingTheWorldWithArt: Literally. Mangaka who can see Billy Bat can create manga that actually influences the course of history. But this being Urasawa, it's most certainly played with. [[spoiler: Kevin Goodman prevented Kiyoshi from resetting history and destroying the world, but he changed too much. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero It's heavily implied that his changes set the course for 9/11...and possibly something even worse.]]]]]]
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