History Manga / Aiki

1st Nov '15 7:28:40 PM nombretomado
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* TakeThat: During the fight between Houmei and Seiji Sawatari, Seiji breaks out his "[[RanmaOneHalf Cat Fist]]". Joukyuu's reaction...
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* TakeThat: During the fight between Houmei and Seiji Sawatari, Seiji breaks out his "[[RanmaOneHalf "[[Manga/RanmaOneHalf Cat Fist]]". Joukyuu's reaction...
23rd Oct '15 8:09:29 AM Morgenthaler
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Misuse. It's Genre Savvy, not just "savvy".
* GenreSavvy: Joukyuu loves {{lampshading}} Shonen tropes even while he's subverting them. Joukyuu on the PowerOfFriendship: -->"''Frieennds? So you're that kind of guy? Always singing the same old song. 'You're not alone.' 'If you have troubles we will be there for you.' 'Together we are strong.' Those kinds of songs, there are so many of them! (...) However... don't you think they say that just to cover their own incompetence? Isn't that just a means to cheer oneself for being poor and hopeless? 'Friends' is what you call someone who likes to be someone else's minion, isn't it? [[SlasherSmile I don't need such things like 'friends'! Well, I don't have any friends to begin with]]!"[[note]]Full disclosure -- he's saying this to the new BigBad's new QuirkyMinibossSquad to get their goat while deliberately giving his students a preview of what they'll be up against.[[/note]]
20th Sep '15 3:03:02 PM Willbyr
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unnecessary with the link at the top of the page
http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Aiki_TVTropes.jpg AIKI is a {{Seinen}} action manga, written and drawn by Isutoshi, an [[BleachedUnderpants artist mostly known for doing H-manga]]. However, as the series has progressed, the manga has tilted more towards martial arts and comedy and less towards the ecchi side (though a good amount of FanService still remains).
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http://static.[[quoteright:300:http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Aiki_TVTropes.jpg AIKI jpg]] ''AIKI'' is a {{Seinen}} action manga, written and drawn by Isutoshi, an [[BleachedUnderpants artist mostly known for doing H-manga]]. However, as the series has progressed, the manga has tilted more towards martial arts and comedy and less towards the ecchi side (though a good amount of FanService still remains).

In short, think of AIKI as a much more lewd and evil version of ''KenichiTheMightiestDisciple''. A [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/Aiki character sheet]] is being created. Gained a sequel called Aiki S which is currently in publication.
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In short, think of AIKI as a much more lewd and evil version of ''KenichiTheMightiestDisciple''. A [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/Aiki character sheet]] is being created. ''Manga/KenichiTheMightiestDisciple''. Gained a sequel called Aiki S ''Aiki S'' which is currently in publication.

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In short, think of AIKI as a much more lewd and evil version of ''KenichiTheMightiestDisciple''. A [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/Aiki character sheet]] is being created. Gained a sequel called Aiki S which is currently in publication.
14th Jun '15 12:20:46 PM ZeroSennin
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* ChefOfIron: Though heís way past his prime, Soutetsu is both a master of karate and a supreme Japanese chef.

* FightingCook: Though heís way past his prime, Soutetsu is both a master of karate and a supreme Japanese chef.
14th Jun '15 12:17:05 PM ZeroSennin
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Fixing some red links.
--> '''Veronica''': Doesnít this country have a rebellion or a civil war or something?"
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--> '''Veronica''': Doesnít this country have a rebellion or a civil war or something?"something?

* CharlieBrownFromOuttaTown: Akemi's boyfriend Daiki's going off the deep end, and Joukyuu's the only one who might be able to stop him -- if he can get back into condition. He needs a sparring partner at his level, but Akemi doesn't think she can actively oppose Daiki. In the nick of time, the mysterious masked wrestler "Joan the Shadow" appears. (See PaperThinDisguise). * CombatChef: Though heís long since past his prime Soutetsu is a master of karate and a supreme Japanese chief.
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* CharlieBrownFromOuttaTown: Akemi's boyfriend Daiki's going off the deep end, and Joukyuu's the only one who might be able to stop him -- if him--if he can get back into condition. He needs a sparring partner at his level, but Akemi doesn't think she can actively oppose Daiki. In the nick of time, the mysterious masked wrestler "Joan the Shadow" appears. (See PaperThinDisguise). * CombatChef: Though heís long since past his prime Soutetsu is a master of karate and a supreme Japanese chief.PaperThinDisguise).

* FakeUltimateHero: "Bull-kun"
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* FakeUltimateHero: "Bull-kun"Bull is portrayed as one of these whenever Joukyuu uses him to fight tough opponents; since they never see Joukyuu fighting, they assume Bull's a badass because of how easily his opponents lose. * FightingCook: Though heís way past his prime, Soutetsu is both a master of karate and a supreme Japanese chef.
14th Jun '15 12:13:15 PM ZeroSennin
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Grammar fixes.
Of course, it doesn't help that most of Juzenji High School is out to defeat Kizuki, or that Kunitoshi's scantily-clad, female cousin Miu Takatori(who's the principal's daughter and Kizuki's main opponent for control of the school) is trying to recruit him [[KissingCousins by any means necessary]]. Not to mention that Kunitoshi himself is a JerkAss [[LovableSexManiac pervert]] who constantly arranges for his students to be [[FigureItOutYourself thrown into dangerous situations]] and may be the [[AntiHero worst role model ever]]. Despite all this, Kunitoshi grudgingly trains a growing group of women into skilled martial artists while battling a SortingAlgorithmOfEvil as he looks for a way to regain his previous strength.
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Of course, it doesn't help that most of Juzenji High School is out to defeat Kizuki, or that Kunitoshi's Joukyuu's scantily-clad, female cousin Miu Takatori(who's Takatori (who's the principal's daughter and Kizuki's main opponent for control of the school) is trying to recruit him [[KissingCousins by any means necessary]]. Not to mention that Kunitoshi Joukyuu himself is a JerkAss [[LovableSexManiac pervert]] who constantly arranges for his students to be [[FigureItOutYourself thrown into dangerous situations]] and may be the [[AntiHero worst role model ever]]. Despite all this, Kunitoshi Joukyuu grudgingly trains a growing group of women into skilled martial artists while battling a SortingAlgorithmOfEvil as he looks for a way to regain his previous strength.

* ArrogantKungFuGuy: Kunitoshi
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* ArrogantKungFuGuy: Kunitoshi'''Joukyuu.'''

* BadassGrandpa: Kaneoto Houju. Due to old age, he has only about a tenth of Kunitoshi's speed and lacks the stamina to fight for more than 30 seconds, as well as rheumatism and cataracts. He still manages to fight Kunitoshi to a draw. Arguably the most skilled character to appear in the original manga.
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* BadassGrandpa: Kaneoto Houju. Due to old age, he has only about a tenth of Kunitoshi's Joukyuu's speed and lacks the stamina to fight for more than 30 seconds, as well as rheumatism and cataracts. He still manages to fight Kunitoshi Joukyuu to a draw. Arguably the most skilled character to appear in the original manga.

* BizarreTasteInFood: Veronica eats seafood with mayonnaise * BlackComedyRape: Seriously. We're not talking about implicating or alluding to it either. Kunitoshi is a ''dick''. * BlatantLies: This is how Soketsu got Joukyuu and the others to go to America with him * BloodKnight: --> '''Veronica''': Doesnít this country have a rebellion or a civil war or something.
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* BizarreTasteInFood: Veronica eats seafood with mayonnaise mayonnaise. * BlackComedyRape: Seriously. We're not talking about implicating or alluding to it either. Kunitoshi Joukyuu is a ''dick''. * BlatantLies: This is how Soketsu Soutetsu got Joukyuu and the others to go to America with him him. * BloodKnight: BloodKnight: Veronica really enjoys fighting and is bored in daily life. --> '''Veronica''': Doesnít this country have a rebellion or a civil war or something.something?"

* BroughtDownToNormal: Well, to at least half his power. Kunitoshi still manages to beat almost everyone without breaking a sweat. * ButtMonkey: Bull * CassandraTruth: Averted bull realized that no one would every believe that he was kidnapped and dropped into the middle of a battlefield so just left the matter alone ** Played straight later when his boss wouldnít listen when he tried to explain just how dangerous joukoryu is *** It doesnít help that Joukyuu intentionally invoked mistaken for servant making everyone think bull was AxCrazy unstoppable monster which was pretty easy due to bullís fear induced nervous breakdown. * CharlieBrownFromOuttaTown: Akemi's boyfriend Daiki's going off the deep end, and Kunitoshi's the only one who might be able to stop him -- if he can get back into condition. He needs a sparring partner at his level, but Akemi doesn't think she can actively oppose Daiki. In the nick of time, the mysterious masked wrestler "Joan the Shadow" appears. (See PaperThinDisguise).
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* BroughtDownToNormal: Well, to at least half his power. Kunitoshi Joukyuu still manages to beat almost everyone without breaking a sweat. * ButtMonkey: Bull Bull, starting from his first appearance in ''Aiki'' and continuing into ''Aiki S.'' * CassandraTruth: Averted bull Averted; in ''Aiki'', Bull realized that no one would every ever believe that he was kidnapped and just dropped into the middle of a battlefield battlefield, so he just left the matter alone alone. ** Played straight later when his boss wouldnít listen when he tried to explain just how dangerous joukoryu is *** It doesnít help that Joukyuu intentionally invoked mistaken for servant making everyone think bull was AxCrazy unstoppable monster which was pretty easy due to bullís fear induced nervous breakdown. is. * CharlieBrownFromOuttaTown: Akemi's boyfriend Daiki's going off the deep end, and Kunitoshi's Joukyuu's the only one who might be able to stop him -- if he can get back into condition. He needs a sparring partner at his level, but Akemi doesn't think she can actively oppose Daiki. In the nick of time, the mysterious masked wrestler "Joan the Shadow" appears. (See PaperThinDisguise).

* CombatPragmatist: Kunitoshi, and he tries to teach his students to be ready for this.
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* CombatPragmatist: Kunitoshi, Joukyuu, and he tries to teach his students to be ready for this.

* CurbStompBattle: Kunitoshi sometimes does this just to demonstrate his strength against anyone trying to buck the SortingAlgorithmOfEvil.
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* CurbStompBattle: Kunitoshi Joukyuu sometimes does this just to demonstrate his strength against anyone trying to buck the SortingAlgorithmOfEvil.

* DramaPreservingHandicap: So that joukyuu didnít completely decimate team Orlando after they at all of his food he ended up getting diarrhea after binging on pizza and burgers. * EvilMatriarch: Ayake Shinonome, Kunitoshi's mother and the one person in the world who can scare the crap out of him with her presence alone.
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* DramaPreservingHandicap: So that joukyuu didnít completely decimate team Orlando after they at all of his food he ended up getting Joukyuu gets diarrhea from eating American food in ''Aiki S'', after binging on pizza and burgers.Team Orlando eats all the Japanese food prepared for him. * EvilMatriarch: Ayake Shinonome, Kunitoshi's Joukyuu's mother and the one person in the world who can scare the crap out of him with her presence alone.

* FigureItOutYourself: Kunitoshi ''never'' properly teaches his students, even when he's a ''college lecturer''. However, he does give legitimate praise and guidance when his students do learn. * FingerPokeOfDoom: With 90% of his strength in his left arm, Kunitoshi is able to take out two members of an elite military martial arts squad by poking their foreheads. * FlashStep: Being able to move faster than the eye follows is a sign that you're one of the stronger characters. On video, it looks like a stupid dance, [[spoiler:but Kizuki learned to pull it off by ''mimicking the dance'', earning some respect from Kunitoshi]].
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* FigureItOutYourself: Kunitoshi Joukyuu ''never'' properly teaches his students, even when he's a ''college lecturer''. However, he does give legitimate praise and guidance when his students do learn. * FingerPokeOfDoom: With 90% of his strength in his left arm, Kunitoshi Joukyuu is able to take out two members of an elite military martial arts squad by poking their foreheads. * FlashStep: Being able to move faster than the eye follows is a sign that you're one of the stronger characters. On video, it looks like a stupid dance, [[spoiler:but Kizuki learned to pull it off by ''mimicking the dance'', earning some respect from Kunitoshi]].Joukyuu]].

* GenreSavvy: Kunitoshi loves {{lampshading}} Shonen tropes even while he's subverting them. Kunitoshi on the PowerOfFriendship:
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* GenreSavvy: Kunitoshi Joukyuu loves {{lampshading}} Shonen tropes even while he's subverting them. Kunitoshi Joukyuu on the PowerOfFriendship:

* HandicappedBadass: Kunitoshi can only usually tap into half of his full strength ever since his father ''dislocated and relocated half of the bones in his body'' in a vain effort to humble him. He regains part of his ability as the series progresses, but Kunitoshi himself believes he will never fully recover.
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* HandicappedBadass: Kunitoshi Joukyuu can only usually tap into half of his full strength ever since his father ''dislocated and relocated half of the bones in his body'' in a vain effort to humble him. He regains part of his ability as the series progresses, but Kunitoshi Joukyuu himself believes he will never fully recover.

* IdiotPlot: Aiki s evolve the heroís going to America after being convince to help some random guy they met in the street. * IHaveYouNowMyPretty: One of Kunitoshi's [[BlackComedyRape worse habits]]. As most of his opponents are gorgeous, well-built young women, he occasionally wrangles it so he gets to have his way with them if he wins. [[ShowyInvincibleHero And he always does.]]
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* IdiotPlot: Aiki s evolve the heroís going to America after being convince to help some random guy they met in the street. * IHaveYouNowMyPretty: One of Kunitoshi's Joukyuu's [[BlackComedyRape worse habits]]. As most of his opponents are gorgeous, well-built young women, he occasionally wrangles it so he gets to have his way with them if he wins. [[ShowyInvincibleHero And he always does.]]

** In Aiki-s joukyuu would fight using bull as a puppet
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** In Aiki-s joukyuu both Aiki and Aiki S, Joukyuu would fight using bull Bull as a puppetpuppet, mostly to throw off whoever his opponent was fighting against.

* JerkassHasAPoint: Kunitoshi's a jerk, but his advice is usually pretty good.
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* JerkassHasAPoint: Kunitoshi's Joukyuu's a jerk, but his advice is usually pretty good.

** KatanasAreJustBetter: Kunitoshi makes fun of him for using a custom titanium blade instead of a ''real'' katana or bokken. * LeaningOnTheFourthWall: After arriving in America Joukyuu yelled at Seketsu that in addition to not seeing any sites they even skipped the airplane scene
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** KatanasAreJustBetter: Kunitoshi Joukyuu makes fun of him for using a custom titanium blade instead of a ''real'' katana or bokken. * LeaningOnTheFourthWall: After arriving in America America, Joukyuu yelled yells at Seketsu Soutetsu, explicitly mentioning that in addition to not seeing any sites they even skipped the airplane scene was skipped over.

* MistakenForBadass: In aiki-s because bull was with the otherís the tournament committee mistook him for an unknown expert * MuggingTheMonster: Bullís new yakuza boss didnít take to kindly to calling him a greenhorn and a hoodlum. ** He also threatened to sell Veronica and Akemi when they laughed at him because of this.
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* MistakenForBadass: In aiki-s because bull was with the otherís ''Aiki S',' Bull is mistaken for an expert martial artist by the tournament committee mistook him for an unknown expert because he's hanging around Jouykuu and his group. It doesnít help that Joukyuu intentionally invokes MistakenForServant so that Bull's fear-induced freakouts are perceived as threats by the other competitors. * MuggingTheMonster: In Aiki S, Bullís new yakuza boss didnít take to kindly to calling him a greenhorn gets pretty mad about being mocked by Joukyuu's group, and a hoodlum. ** He also threatened decides to sell try beating up Joukyuu and selling Veronica and Akemi when they laughed at him because of this.into prostitution. He learns very quickly that this is a bad idea.

* OhCrap: The yakuza boss once he realized how screwed he was for challenging veronica
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* OhCrap: The yakuza boss boss, once he realized how screwed he that Veronica was for challenging veronicaa bona-fide ActionGirl.

* RedBaron: Kunitoshi, called the "Gravity Magician". [[http://mangafox.me/manga/aiki/v08/c053/12.html For]] [[http://mangafox.me/manga/aiki/v10/c086/17.html good]] [[http://mangafox.me/manga/aiki/v11/c095/3.html reason]]. * RestrainingBolt: The entire first arc was spent with Kunitoshi slowly but surely easing most of his handicap, and even coming up with little ways to work around his restricted physical limitations.
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* RedBaron: Kunitoshi, Joukyuu, called the "Gravity Magician". [[http://mangafox.me/manga/aiki/v08/c053/12.html For]] [[http://mangafox.me/manga/aiki/v10/c086/17.html good]] [[http://mangafox.me/manga/aiki/v11/c095/3.html reason]]. * RestrainingBolt: The entire first arc was spent with Kunitoshi Joukyuu slowly but surely easing most of his handicap, and even coming up with little ways to work around his restricted physical limitations.

* ShowSomeLeg: Miu flashes Kunitoshi to set him up to be thrown. Unfortunately, he'd [[BatmanGambit positioned himself so he could bounce off a light pole in his flight path back at her]].
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* ShowSomeLeg: Miu flashes Kunitoshi Joukyuu to set him up to be thrown. Unfortunately, he'd [[BatmanGambit positioned himself so he could bounce off a light pole in his flight path back at her]].

* SmugSuper: The only reason Kunitoshi gets away with being such a cocky bastard is that he has the skills to back it up.
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* SmugSuper: The only reason Kunitoshi Joukyuu gets away with being such a cocky bastard is that he has the skills to back it up.

* TakeThat: During the fight between Houmei and Seiji Sawatari, Seiji breaks out his "[[RanmaOneHalf Cat Fist]]". Kunitoshi's reaction... -->'''Kunitoshi:''' I know that the Chinese martial arts have 4000 years of history, but doesn't "Cat Fist" just sound too weird? * ThatCameOutWrong: Seiji Sawatari (the Chinese Kempo fighter who humiliates Houmei) has a tendency for his expressions of bloodlust to come out the wrong way. For instance, when trying to challenge Kunitoshi:
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* TakeThat: During the fight between Houmei and Seiji Sawatari, Seiji breaks out his "[[RanmaOneHalf Cat Fist]]". Kunitoshi's Joukyuu's reaction... -->'''Kunitoshi:''' -->'''Joukyuu:''' I know that the Chinese martial arts have 4000 years of history, but doesn't "Cat Fist" just sound too weird? * ThatCameOutWrong: Seiji Sawatari (the Chinese Kempo fighter who humiliates Houmei) has a tendency for his expressions of bloodlust to come out the wrong way. For instance, when trying to challenge Kunitoshi:Joukyuu:

'''Kunitoshi:''' (Grimaces)\\
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'''Kunitoshi:''' '''Joukyuu:''' (Grimaces)\\

'''Kunitoshi:''' Go kill yourself.
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'''Kunitoshi:''' '''Joukyuu:''' Go kill yourself.

* ThrowingOffTheDisability: Kunitoshi spends a good amount of time being injured in later arcs to avoid being a total BoringInvincibleHero, but readily curbstomps his opponent as soon as he recovers. * TooDumbToLive: The yakuza boss who employed bull who challenged Joukoryu for looking down at him. Not only did Joukuryu, Veronica, and Akemi not look the least bit scared of him, did they laughed when he bragged how strong he was, but bull was nearly pissing himself in fear desperately trying to warn him just how dangerous these three were.
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* ThrowingOffTheDisability: Kunitoshi Joukyuu spends a good amount of time being injured in later arcs to avoid being a total BoringInvincibleHero, but readily curbstomps his opponent as soon as he recovers. * TooDumbToLive: The yakuza Bull's new Yakuza boss who employed bull who challenged Joukoryu for looking down at him. Not only did Joukuryu, in ''Aiki S'' decides to try and teach Joukyuu and his friends a lesson. Joukyuu, Veronica, and Akemi not don't look the least bit scared of him, did they laughed laugh when he bragged brags about how strong he was, but bull was nearly pissing himself in fear desperately trying is, and he completely ignores Bull's attempts to warn him just about how dangerous these three were.they are.

* {{Troll}}: Some of Kunitoshi's more outrageous stunts are purely done to piss people off.
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* {{Troll}}: Some of Kunitoshi's Joukyuu's more outrageous stunts are purely done to piss people off.

** Andrew, the SuperSoldier who was engineered to be a superstrong LightningBruiser that feels no pain who is doomed to die young thanks to the side effects of the experiments performed on him. Even ''Kunitoshi'' feels a little sorry for him. * UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist: Kunitoshi, very much. The audience is not expected to empathize with him in the least.
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** Andrew, the SuperSoldier who was engineered to be a superstrong LightningBruiser that feels no pain who is doomed to die young thanks to the side effects of the experiments performed on him. Even ''Kunitoshi'' ''Joukyuu'' feels a little sorry for him. * UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist: Kunitoshi, Joukyuu, very much. The audience is not expected to empathize with him in the least.

-->'''Kunitoshi:''' Power should just be the icing on the cake. If you utilize your opponent's power, even a little kid should be able to send a two-meter-tall wrestler flying. It's not easy, but it can be done... It's not power, nor is it speed. * WhatTheHellHero: Everyone else in the series calls Kunitoshi out on his, well, everything, all the time. He never listens. When Bull-kun tries it in chapter 77, Kunitoshi turns it back on him by making him realize that he isn't any different. * WhenYouSnatchThePebble: Kunitoshi challenges Kizuki to catch a small fish -- with one hand, ''slowly'' -- to prove that she's worth his time.
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-->'''Kunitoshi:''' -->'''Joukyuu:''' Power should just be the icing on the cake. If you utilize your opponent's power, even a little kid should be able to send a two-meter-tall wrestler flying. It's not easy, but it can be done... It's not power, nor is it speed. * WhatTheHellHero: Everyone else in the series calls Kunitoshi Joukyuu out on his, well, everything, all the time. He never listens. When Bull-kun tries it in chapter 77, Kunitoshi Joukyuu turns it back on him by making him realize that he isn't any different. * WhenYouSnatchThePebble: Kunitoshi Joukyuu challenges Kizuki to catch a small fish -- with one hand, ''slowly'' -- to prove that she's worth his time.
13th Jun '15 6:58:56 PM Leon_Spitman
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18th Apr '15 9:39:32 AM monique.mudie
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* BoobsOfSteel: Cassandra is the strongest member of team Orlando

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* StatuesqueStunner: Cassandra of team Orlando
18th Apr '15 9:38:16 AM monique.mudie
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* DramaPreservingHandicap: So that joukyuu didnít completely decimate team Orlando after they at all of his food he ended up getting diarrhea after binging on pizza and burgers.

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* IdiotPlot: Aiki s evolve the heroís going to America after being convince to help some random guy they met in the street.

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** In Aiki-s joukyuu would fight using bull as a puppet

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* MistakenForBadass: In aiki-s because bull was with the otherís the tournament committee mistook him for an unknown expert
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* BizarreTasteInFood: Veronica eats seafood with mayonnaise

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* BlatantLies: This is how Soketsu got Joukyuu and the others to go to America with him * BloodKnight: --> '''Veronica''': Doesnít this country have a rebellion or a civil war or something.

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* ButtMonkey: Bull * CassandraTruth: Averted bull realized that no one would every believe that he was kidnapped and dropped into the middle of a battlefield so just left the matter alone ** Played straight later when his boss wouldnít listen when he tried to explain just how dangerous joukoryu is *** It doesnít help that Joukyuu intentionally invoked mistaken for servant making everyone think bull was AxCrazy unstoppable monster which was pretty easy due to bullís fear induced nervous breakdown.

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* CombatChef: Though heís long since past his prime Soutetsu is a master of karate and a supreme Japanese chief.

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* LeaningOnTheFourthWall: After arriving in America Joukyuu yelled at Seketsu that in addition to not seeing any sites they even skipped the airplane scene

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* MuggingTheMonster: Bullís new yakuza boss didnít take to kindly to calling him a greenhorn and a hoodlum. ** He also threatened to sell Veronica and Akemi when they laughed at him because of this.

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* OhCrap: The yakuza boss once he realized how screwed he was for challenging veronica

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* TooDumbToLive: The yakuza boss who employed bull who challenged Joukoryu for looking down at him. Not only did Joukuryu, Veronica, and Akemi not look the least bit scared of him, did they laughed when he bragged how strong he was, but bull was nearly pissing himself in fear desperately trying to warn him just how dangerous these three were.
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