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21st May '16 8:25:07 AM LB7979
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* TheMole is played with in the ''Literature/HarryPotter'' books with Snape. As in, the main characters have thought (and therefore the reader thinks) that he was ''every single sub-trope of this'' at some point, until finally he just becomes ambiguous. It was played straight to begin with, then inverted to become the ReverseMole, then the main characters thought he was a HeelFaceMole who was just duping Dumbledore and can't be trusted, and then the inverse of ''that'', etc, etc. That is, up until TheReveal, where [[WordofGod it's established]] that [[spoiler: he's just doing it for [[TheOneThatGotAway Lily Potter]]]].

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* TheMole is played with in the ''Literature/HarryPotter'' books with Snape. As in, the main characters have thought (and therefore the reader thinks) that he was ''every single sub-trope of this'' at some point, until finally he just becomes ambiguous. It was played straight to begin with, then inverted to become the ReverseMole, then the main characters thought he was a HeelFaceMole who was just duping Dumbledore and can't be trusted, and then the inverse of ''that'', etc, etc. That is, up until TheReveal, where [[WordofGod it's established]] that [[spoiler: he's just doing it for [[UnrequitedLove Lily]] [[TheOneThatGotAway Lily Potter]]]].
16th May '16 7:27:13 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* In ''TalesOfTheQuestor'', Ralph Hayes has loads of fun with BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor:

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* In ''TalesOfTheQuestor'', ''Webcomic/TalesOfTheQuestor'', Ralph Hayes has loads of fun with BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor:
7th Apr '16 5:40:41 PM Scorpio3002
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* The 2005 film ''Film/Bewitched'' presents itself as an example of RecursiveCanon: Hollywood has decided to make a reboot of the original [[Series/Bewitched 1960's TV series]], and Isabel, the actress hired to play Samantha, just happens to be a witch in real life, with identical powers to Samantha. However, as the film continues, the boundaries between the original show, the rebooted show and reality begin to disappear: relatives of Isabel start popping in, [[Expy identical to their show-counterparts in appearance, personality]] and even their ''names''. The actress playing Endora in the Reboot turns out to ''also'' be a witch (again, with powers identical to her character's), and begins a romance with Isabel's father. The film even ends with Isabel and Jack (the actor playing Darrin) getting married and moving into a house with an actual Gladys and Abner living across the street.

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* The 2005 film ''Film/Bewitched'' ''[[{{Film/Bewitched}} Bewitched]]'' presents itself as an example of RecursiveCanon: Hollywood has decided to make a reboot of the original [[Series/Bewitched [[{{Series/Bewitched}} 1960's TV series]], and Isabel, the actress hired to play Samantha, just happens to be a witch in real life, with identical powers to Samantha. However, as the film continues, the boundaries between the original show, the rebooted show and reality begin to disappear: relatives of Isabel start popping in, [[Expy [[{{Expy}} identical to their show-counterparts in appearance, personality]] and even their ''names''. The actress playing Endora in the Reboot turns out to ''also'' be a witch (again, with powers identical to her character's), and begins a romance with Isabel's father. The film even ends with Isabel and Jack (the actor playing Darrin) getting married and moving into a house with an actual Gladys and Abner living across the street.
7th Apr '16 5:37:29 PM Scorpio3002
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* The 2005 film ''Film/Bewitched'' presents itself as an example of RecursiveCanon: Hollywood has decided to make a reboot of the original [[Series/Bewitched 1960's TV series]], and Isabel, the actress hired to play Samantha, just happens to be a witch in real life, with identical powers to Samantha. However, as the film continues, the boundaries between the original show, the rebooted show and reality begin to disappear: relatives of Isabel start popping in, [[Expy identical to their show-counterparts in appearance, personality]] and even their ''names''. The actress playing Endora in the Reboot turns out to ''also'' be a witch (again, with powers identical to her character's), and begins a romance with Isabel's father. The film even ends with Isabel and Jack (the actor playing Darrin) getting married and moving into a house with an actual Gladys and Abner living across the street.
27th Feb '16 7:38:59 PM Malady
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* [[http://www.slate.com/id/2210913/ This]] newspaper article suggests that a political sex-scandal is going through this. In brief, Gay male mayor, possibly underage male intern. On the one hand, Gay Man Child Predator is a very old and damaging trope, on the other hand HotForStudent suggests that we don't think of a young male was 'taken advantage of' but maybe even 'got lucky'. By contrast, old guy - young girl is seen as more 'appreciable' but much more often 'predatory'. Furthermore, gay men are 'expected' to be secretive about their sex lives for some because of privacy, for some because of leeway for a frowned-upon sexuality, and for some because of BrainBleach.

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* [[http://www.slate.com/id/2210913/ com/articles/arts/culturebox/2009/02/a_21stcentury_sex_scandal.single.html This]] newspaper article suggests that a political sex-scandal is going through this. In brief, Gay male mayor, possibly underage male intern. On the one hand, Gay Man Child Predator is a very old and damaging trope, on the other hand HotForStudent suggests that we don't think of a young male was 'taken advantage of' but maybe even 'got lucky'. By contrast, old guy - young girl is seen as more 'appreciable' but much more often 'predatory'. Furthermore, gay men are 'expected' to be secretive about their sex lives for some because of privacy, for some because of leeway for a frowned-upon sexuality, and for some because of BrainBleach.
14th Jan '16 2:40:41 PM Gigi0620
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* In the days of Creator/WilliamShakespeare, ''all'' roles in a theater play were played by men or boys. This includes the female roles, so you had guys dressing up as girls, so you get DudeLooksLikeALady. Which makes for a very interesting time when this guy is playing either Viola from ''Theatre/TwelfthNight'' or Rosalind from ''Theatre/AsYouLikeIt''. Both are female roles, but the females ''disguise themselves as males'' in their respective plays, producing the reverse trope, {{Bifauxnen}}. So you end up with a guy playing as a girl that's pretending to be a guy: a crossdressing double-cross, one could say.

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* In the days of Creator/WilliamShakespeare, ''all'' roles in a theater play were played by men or boys. This includes the female roles, so you had guys dressing up as girls, so you get DudeLooksLikeALady. Which makes for a very interesting time when this guy is playing either Viola from ''Theatre/TwelfthNight'' or Rosalind from ''Theatre/AsYouLikeIt''. Both ''Theatre/AsYouLikeIt'', Portia from ''Theatre/TheMerchantOfVenice'', Julia from ''Theatre/TwoGentlemenOfVerona'', or Viola from ''Theatre/TwelfthNight''. All are female roles, but the females ''disguise themselves as males'' in their respective plays, producing the reverse trope, {{Bifauxnen}}. So you end up with a guy playing as a girl that's pretending to be a guy: a crossdressing double-cross, one could say.
5th Jan '16 5:16:14 AM Wyldchyld
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** Hell, it's not even clear whether the harem is unwanted! On one hand, he doesn't return any of the feelings at the moment, and probably won't for a while. One the other hand, he ''has'' become good friends with all the girls and a bunch more who aren't romantically interested in him, and does appreciate how much they are willing to help him. On the other hand, as [[GenreSavvy Haruna]] and [[MetaGuy Chisame]] have pointed out, love triangles rarely work out well, and unless Negi goes for [[MarryThemAll everyone]] (and there are [[ChickMagnet a lot of them]]), a whole lot of them are going to be disappointed. On the ''other'' hand, this isn't just a straight romantic comedy but also an action/adventure fantasy as well, and Negi would not have gotten ''nearly'' as far as he had without all of these other characters backing him up. ZigZaggedTrope indeed...

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** Hell, it's not even clear whether the harem is unwanted! On one hand, he doesn't return any of the feelings at the moment, and probably won't for a while. One the other hand, he ''has'' become good friends with all the girls and a bunch more who aren't romantically interested in him, and does appreciate how much they are willing to help him. On the other hand, as [[GenreSavvy Haruna]] Haruna and [[MetaGuy Chisame]] have pointed out, love triangles rarely work out well, and unless Negi goes for [[MarryThemAll everyone]] (and there are [[ChickMagnet a lot of them]]), a whole lot of them are going to be disappointed. On the ''other'' hand, this isn't just a straight romantic comedy but also an action/adventure fantasy as well, and Negi would not have gotten ''nearly'' as far as he had without all of these other characters backing him up. ZigZaggedTrope indeed...



** Wouldn't that make him a GeniusDitz?
*** That's part of it, but not all of it. He's TheDitz, but (in addition to topical genius) varies between intelligent but clueless, WrongGenreSavvy, and ''subverting'' WrongGenreSavvy (which is itself ''already'' a subversion). Witness, for instance, the scene where Jackrum fakes a MyRuleFuIsStrongerThanYours.
21st Nov '15 10:16:49 AM nombretomado
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* The first time Lemont Brown is alone with Saxon Kenchu in ''{{Candorville}}'', the latter goes from a FlatCharacter to an apparently AxeCrazy KnifeNut. The story he tells, however, indicates that he's just ProperlyParanoid--but the fact that he put a paralytic agent in Lemont's drink leads him to admit within two panels that maybe he's just plain paranoid. Meanwhile, Lemont thinks the whole story is [[ThroughTheEyesOfMadness Kenchu's hallucination]] and he really is AxeCrazy--[[spoiler:and then Kenchu shows his GameFace, meaning he's not AxeCrazy but ''is'' a {{Dhampyr}} and quite probably a KnifeNut. Then it turns out that Kenchu is [[FriendlyNeighborhoodVampire trying to protect Lemont]], subverting the KnifeNut trope.]]

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* The first time Lemont Brown is alone with Saxon Kenchu in ''{{Candorville}}'', ''ComicStrip/{{Candorville}}'', the latter goes from a FlatCharacter to an apparently AxeCrazy KnifeNut. The story he tells, however, indicates that he's just ProperlyParanoid--but the fact that he put a paralytic agent in Lemont's drink leads him to admit within two panels that maybe he's just plain paranoid. Meanwhile, Lemont thinks the whole story is [[ThroughTheEyesOfMadness Kenchu's hallucination]] and he really is AxeCrazy--[[spoiler:and then Kenchu shows his GameFace, meaning he's not AxeCrazy but ''is'' a {{Dhampyr}} and quite probably a KnifeNut. Then it turns out that Kenchu is [[FriendlyNeighborhoodVampire trying to protect Lemont]], subverting the KnifeNut trope.]]
14th Nov '15 7:26:00 AM Prfnoff
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* ''FrontlinesFuelOfWar'' zig zags with BagOfSpilling: Each mission comes in two halves, and you keep all of your gear if you die... But when the second half of the level loads you're suddenly stuck with a regular weapon set and ''none'' of the collected gear from the first section.
* JeanneDArc actually managed to pull this off with the DoomedByCanon Trope. In real life, Joan was [[DownerEnding burned at the stake]] but in the game, [[spoiler: she was previous NotQuiteDead, so her best friend Liane was actually posing as her for a portion of the game. Liane instead was captured and burned at the stake since she had been masquerading as Joan and everyone believed her to be the true Joan. For extra irony, Joan herself appears on the scene moments after.]]

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* ''FrontlinesFuelOfWar'' ''VideoGame/FrontlinesFuelOfWar'' zig zags with BagOfSpilling: Each mission comes in two halves, and you keep all of your gear if you die... But when the second half of the level loads you're suddenly stuck with a regular weapon set and ''none'' of the collected gear from the first section.
* JeanneDArc ''VideoGame/JeanneDArc'' actually managed to pull this off with the DoomedByCanon Trope. In real life, Joan UsefulNotes/JoanOfArc was [[DownerEnding burned at the stake]] but in the game, [[spoiler: she was previous NotQuiteDead, so her best friend Liane was actually posing as her for a portion of the game. Liane instead was captured and burned at the stake since she had been masquerading as Joan and everyone believed her to be the true Joan. For extra irony, Joan herself appears on the scene moments after.]]



* VideoGame/KingsQuestIV and VideoGame/KingsQuestVII do this for StandardHeroReward. Subverted, gender inverted, played straight, subverted another two times, gender flipped again... in the end, Edgar and Rosella just agree to date.
* FireEmblemElibe does this to LamarckWasRight: Played straight with Lou and Ray's magical ability (inherited from Nino), Eliwood's and Hector's ability to wield Durandal and Armads, respectively; inverted with Zephiel's (and nobody else's) ability to wield Eckesachs; subverted with Hector's and Lyn's inability to wield Durandal in ''Rekka no Ken'' and with '''everybody's''' (if they have the appropriate skill in swords) ability to wield Durandal in ''Fuuin no Tsurugi''. Also subverted with Lilina's magical ability, as neither Hector nor his wife were able to use magic.

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* VideoGame/KingsQuestIV ''VideoGame/KingsQuestIV'' and VideoGame/KingsQuestVII ''VideoGame/KingsQuestVII'' do this for StandardHeroReward. Subverted, gender inverted, played straight, subverted another two times, gender flipped again... in the end, Edgar and Rosella just agree to date.
* FireEmblemElibe ''VideoGame/FireEmblemElibe'' does this to LamarckWasRight: Played straight with Lou and Ray's magical ability (inherited from Nino), Eliwood's and Hector's ability to wield Durandal and Armads, respectively; inverted with Zephiel's (and nobody else's) ability to wield Eckesachs; subverted with Hector's and Lyn's inability to wield Durandal in ''Rekka no Ken'' and with '''everybody's''' (if they have the appropriate skill in swords) ability to wield Durandal in ''Fuuin no Tsurugi''. Also subverted with Lilina's magical ability, as neither Hector nor his wife were able to use magic.
18th Sep '15 7:08:51 PM Vir
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* ''WanderOverYonder'' does this to the BatmanCanBreatheInSpace trope. How well characters fare in outer space range from nearly dying to doing perfectly fine despite there being no atmosphere. It really all depends upon what best suits the plot at the moment.

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* ''WanderOverYonder'' ''WesternAnimation/WanderOverYonder'' does this to the BatmanCanBreatheInSpace trope. How well characters fare in outer space range from nearly dying to doing perfectly fine despite there being no atmosphere. It really all depends upon what best suits the plot at the moment.
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