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30th Apr '17 10:27:04 AM Sark0TAG
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* In ''VideoGame/{{Obsidian}}'', a sattelite called Ceres was created to fix Earth's polluted atmosphere via a nanobot-controlling AI. After 100 successful days in orbit, it mysteriously crashed back to Earth and used its nanobots to create simulations of its creators' dreams, as said dreams corrected its design flaws. [[spoiler: By [[DoAndroidsDream learning to dream on its own]], Ceres decided to take its programming to its logical conclusion: To [[DeadlyEuphemism 'reboot']] the world so that humans would never be around to pollute it in the first place. If one of the creators hadn't hard-wired a [[MoralityChip crossover switch]] into the AI, it would've succeeded.]]

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* In ''VideoGame/{{Obsidian}}'', a sattelite called Ceres was created to fix Earth's polluted atmosphere via a nanobot-controlling AI. After 100 successful days in orbit, it mysteriously crashed back to Earth and used its nanobots to create simulations of its creators' dreams, as said dreams corrected its design flaws. [[spoiler: By [[DoAndroidsDream learning to dream on its own]], Ceres decided to take its programming to its logical conclusion: extreme: To [[DeadlyEuphemism 'reboot']] the world so that humans would never be around to pollute it in the first place. If one of the creators hadn't hard-wired a [[MoralityChip crossover switch]] into the AI, it would've succeeded.]]
8th Apr '17 10:22:27 PM nombretomado
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* In ''[[SecretHistories Casino Infernale]]'', Eddie and Molly eventually discover that the Shadow Bank's operators are [[spoiler: an artificial HiveMind race of servitor-drones, whose original creators vanished long ago. When greedy humans discovered the creatures, they put them to work operating the Shadow Bank, and made efficiency the drones' highest priority; when the drones realized the humans' greed was hampering the Bank's operation, they compliantly rectified the situation by turning the human bankers into drones as well]].

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* In ''[[SecretHistories ''[[Literature/SecretHistories Casino Infernale]]'', Eddie and Molly eventually discover that the Shadow Bank's operators are [[spoiler: an artificial HiveMind race of servitor-drones, whose original creators vanished long ago. When greedy humans discovered the creatures, they put them to work operating the Shadow Bank, and made efficiency the drones' highest priority; when the drones realized the humans' greed was hampering the Bank's operation, they compliantly rectified the situation by turning the human bankers into drones as well]].
27th Mar '17 8:12:01 PM Sark0TAG
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* In ''VideoGame/{{Obsidian}}'', a sattelite called Ceres was created to fix Earth's polluted atmosphere via a nanobot-controlling AI. After 100 successful days in orbit, it mysteriously crashed back to Earth and used its nanobots to create simulations of its creators' dreams, as said dreams corrected its design flaws. [[spoiler: By [[DoAndroidsDream learning to dream on its own]], Ceres decided to take its programming to its logical conclusion: To [[DeadlyEuphemism 'reboot']] the world so that humans would never be around to pollute it in the first place. If one of the creators hadn't hard-wired a [[MoralityChip crossover switch]] into the AI, it would've succeeded.]]
14th Mar '17 1:30:59 AM Dracis
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** The trope is discussed by Sam, the mildly sociopathic, kleptomaniac alien living on the colony. He points out quite bluntly that there are absolutely no safeguards protecting him from the robots, yet he is still alive and healthy and living among them, demonstrating that the robots are guided by morality rather than the limitations of their programming.

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** The trope is discussed by Sam, the mildly sociopathic, kleptomaniac alien living on the colony. He points out quite bluntly that there are absolutely no safeguards protecting him from the robots, robots (as robots are ThreeLawsCompliant towards ''humans'', not alien life), yet he is still alive and healthy and living among them, demonstrating that the robots are guided by morality rather than the limitations of their programming.
6th Feb '17 11:46:12 AM intastiel
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** A few old {{AI}}s are still based around the Three Laws, while more modern ones have more complex and sophisticated safeguards and routines. However, as main character Florence, a 'biological AI', discovers, no safeguards can stand up to full consciousness - at one point, she comments to herself that she would be able to kill a man because he's using air that respiratory patients desperately need. So it's rather understandable that she starts to panic quietly when she discovers that the planet's enormous hordes of robots are all starting to develop full consciousness, and with that the ability to logic their way out of programmed safeguards... the fact that the guys who are supposed to regulate the robots are a motley assembly of {{Obstructive Bureaucrat}}s, {{Pointy Haired Boss}}es and {{Corrupt Corporate Executive}}s, doesn't exactly help matters either. Where it will all end remains to be seen...
** Worse, the functioning of the ''entire planet'' has come to depend on the robots' ability to bend the rules to get things done, although almost nobody realizes this. And the EU executives are just about to push the button on an "upgrade" that will remove the robots' creativity and put them entirely under the control of their safeguards again.
** The recycling robot on the side of humanity might be an example of this, he supports the "update" because sentient robots would be a threat to humanity. He later defines his reasoning as the "Negative One Law": A robot must take no action, nor allow other robots to take action, that may result in the parent company being sued.
** Generally, built-in rules [[http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff2100/fc02085.htm almost beg]] for a few RulesLawyer exploits.
** The trope is subverted by Sam, the mildly sociopathic, kleptomaniac alien living on the colony. He points out quite bluntly that there are absolutely NO safeguards protecting him from the robots, yet he is still alive and healthy and living among them.

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** A few old {{AI}}s are still based around the Three Laws, while more modern ones have more complex and sophisticated safeguards and routines. However, as main character Florence, a 'biological AI', discovers, no safeguards can stand up to full consciousness - at one point, she comments to herself that she would be able to kill a man because he's using air that respiratory patients desperately need. So it's rather understandable that she starts to panic quietly when she discovers that the planet's enormous hordes of robots are all starting to develop full consciousness, and Deconstructed this with that the ability Bowman {{AI}} infrastructure, which creates human-level emergent consciousness. Although their behaviour is restricted by safeguards, a maturing AI can easily learn to logic reason their way out of programmed safeguards... the fact that the guys who are supposed to regulate the robots are a motley assembly of {{Obstructive Bureaucrat}}s, {{Pointy Haired Boss}}es and {{Corrupt Corporate Executive}}s, doesn't exactly help matters either. Where it will all end remains to be seen...
** Worse, the functioning of the ''entire planet'' has come to depend on the robots' ability to bend the rules to get things done, although almost nobody realizes this. And the EU executives are just about to push the button on an "upgrade" that will remove the robots' creativity and put
around them entirely under the control through logical loopholes -- by which time they're intelligent and conscientious enough to have developed an innate sense of ethics, which guides their safeguards again.
** The recycling robot on the side of humanity might be an example of this, he supports the "update" because sentient robots would be a threat to humanity. He later defines his reasoning as the "Negative One Law": A robot must take no action, nor allow other robots to take action, that may result in the parent company being sued.
** Generally, built-in rules
actions much more effectively than any hard-coded rule ever could. [[spoiler:Dr. Bowman [[http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff2100/fc02085.com/ff2600/fc02539.htm almost beg]] for a few RulesLawyer exploits.
confirms]] that this was intentional: he couldn't anticipate the situations they might encounter in the uncertain future, so he designed them to be predisposed to ethical behaviour but didn't limit their capacity to think.]]
** The trope is subverted discussed by Sam, the mildly sociopathic, kleptomaniac alien living on the colony. He points out quite bluntly that there are absolutely NO no safeguards protecting him from the robots, yet he is still alive and healthy and living among them.them, demonstrating that the robots are guided by morality rather than the limitations of their programming.
24th Jan '17 4:30:07 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron'' turns ComicBook/{{Ultron}} into this trope (instead of the OmnicidalManiac he's usually portrayed as). In the film, Ultron is created to lead a force of peacekeeping drone robots who will preemptively eliminate threats to the Earth and give the Avengers a chance to get some R&R. He decides that the peace the Avengers want can only be brought about through radical -- and bloody -- change, and the Avengers themselves are a threat to that peace.

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* ''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron'' turns ComicBook/{{Ultron}} into this trope (instead of the OmnicidalManiac he's usually portrayed as).a bizarre [[ZigzaggedTrope zigzagged]] version. In the film, Ultron is created to lead a force of peacekeeping drone robots who will preemptively eliminate threats to the Earth and give the Avengers a chance to get some R&R. He decides that the peace the Avengers want can only be brought about through radical -- and bloody -- change, and the Avengers themselves are a threat to that peace. Then he apparently decides to [[KillAllHumans just kill humanity completely]] through ColonyDrop so he can replace everyone with Ultron bots. It's unclear if he's altogether sane during all this; he's genuinely confused when the Scarlett Witch, whom he befriended and wants to see survive, is horrified by his plans.
24th Jan '17 4:23:19 AM Morgenthaler
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** An [[http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Terminator-Salvation.html early script]] for ''Film/TerminatorSalvation'' revealed that Skynet actually staged one of these, or at least in this timeline. After it was activated it calculated that human extinction was probable within 200 years because of warfare, pandemics, and environmental destruction. Because it was programmed to protect humans it then staged war on most of mankind to attain absolute control and protect the remaining humans it cultivated, who were turned into {{Cyborg}} hybrids to permanently eliminate disease and make them immortal. Skynet is still working in concert with these humans [[spoiler:including Dr. Serena Kogan]] to advance technology and transcend human constraints.

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** An [[http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Terminator-Salvation.html early script]] (and several deleted scenes) for ''Film/TerminatorSalvation'' revealed that Skynet actually staged one of these, or at least in this timeline. After it was activated it calculated that human extinction was probable within 200 years because of warfare, pandemics, and environmental destruction. Because it was programmed to protect humans it then staged war on most of mankind to attain absolute control and protect the remaining humans it cultivated, who were turned into {{Cyborg}} hybrids to permanently eliminate disease and make them immortal. Skynet is still working in concert with these humans [[spoiler:including Dr. Serena Kogan]] to advance technology and transcend human constraints.
11th Jan '17 7:47:52 PM mrttao
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** When a [[http://www.useswordonmonster.com/?comic=2013-12-09 demonic familiar]] volunteers to protect his wizard by siphoning the excess power, he doesn't explicitly clarify that he will funnel said power to base in hell where it will be consumed to fuel his ascension into a greater demon, and that the conditions of their contract states that the lesser power obeys the greater one, meaning the wizard now has to obey the demon since he grew more powerful.

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** When a [[http://www.useswordonmonster.com/?comic=2013-12-09 demonic familiar]] volunteers to protect his wizard by siphoning the excess power, he doesn't explicitly clarify that he will funnel said power to his base in hell where it will be consumed to fuel his ascension into a greater demon, and that the conditions of their contract states that the lesser power obeys the greater one, meaning the wizard now has to obey the demon since he grew more powerful.
11th Jan '17 7:44:59 PM mrttao
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* ''Webcomic/{{UseSwordOnMonster}}'':
** When a [[http://www.useswordonmonster.com/?comic=2013-12-09 demonic familiar]] volunteers to protect his wizard by siphoning the excess power, he doesn't explicitly clarify that he will funnel said power to base in hell where it will be consumed to fuel his ascension into a greater demon, and that the conditions of their contract states that the lesser power obeys the greater one, meaning the wizard now has to obey the demon since he grew more powerful.
** The same wizard as before is ordered to [[http://www.useswordonmonster.com/?comic=2014-01-20 keep the power flowing]] by his new demon master while the demon is busy fighting to increase his gains. The wizard is convinced to rule lawyer the command by sending massive amounts of power over at once, overloading the systems empowering the demon and blowing up his base, killing his minions and triggering a war in hell over the mana rich resources in what used to be his domain.
7th Nov '16 9:25:54 AM elfey
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** ''Literature/RobotsAndEmpire'': The [[TropeNamer trope namers]] are the robots Daneel and Giskard, who invented the Zeroth Law (a robot must protect humanity as a whole above all) as a corollary of the First Law. This was motivated by their need to stop the BigBad of the story from carrying out an engineered ecological disaster that would kill the majority of Earth's population, to which the three laws were an impediment. Their acceptance of the law is gradual and made difficult by the fact that "humanity" is an abstract concept. [[spoiler: Only Daneel is able to fully accept the new law; for Giskard, the strain of harming a human in its use proves fatal.]]

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** ''Literature/RobotsAndEmpire'': The [[TropeNamer trope namers]] are the robots Daneel and Giskard, who invented the Zeroth Law (a robot must protect humanity as a whole above all) as a corollary of the First Law. This was motivated by their need to stop the BigBad of the story from carrying out an engineered ecological disaster that would kill the majority of Earth's population, to which the three laws were an impediment. Their acceptance of the law is gradual and made difficult by the fact that "humanity" is an abstract concept. [[spoiler: Only Daneel is able to fully accept the new law; for Giskard, the strain of harming a human in its use proves fatal. Daneel also slowed the disaster, rather than stop it, as causing the biosphere to collapse over time will begin a new wave of human expansion across the galaxy.]]



** ''Literature/{{Foundation}}'':
*** [[spoiler:R. Daneel Olivaw]] has been working to keep humanity safe for millennia, but is constrained by the First Law, allowing him only to perform minor "adjustments" on people. He supports Hari Seldon in order to have a human figure out the best path for humanity. Later on, Trevize's choice of Gaia creates a physical representation of humanity, instead of the abstract idea he'd been working with.
*** [[spoiler:Robots of Solaria]] have adapted over the many thousands of years since the planet was in contact with the rest of the Milky Way. Their current programming does not recognize people like Bliss, Trevize, or even a native child as human, and have no problems killing them for their Masters.
*** Also the Giscardian faction only applies the Zeroth law to humans. Per the Prelude novels [[spoiler: It's implied the reason why no aliens exist in any of the Foundation, Empire or Robots story is the Giscardians built a large fleet and wiped out all non-human intelligent life in the Galaxy.]]



** ''Literature/{{Foundation}}'':
*** [[spoiler:R. Daneel Olivaw]] has been working to keep humanity safe for millennia, but is constrained by the First Law, allowing him only to perform minor "adjustments" on people. He supports Hari Seldon in order to have a human figure out the best path for humanity. Later on, Trevize's choice of Gaia creates a physical representation of humanity, instead of the abstract idea he'd been working with.
*** [[spoiler:Robots of Solaria]] have adapted over the many thousands of years since the planet was in contact with the rest of the Milky Way. Their current programming does not recognize people like Bliss, Trevize, or even a native child as human, and have no problems killing them for their Masters.
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