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1st Apr '17 8:51:11 PM DustSnitch
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Two characters are discussing a controversial, possibly RippedFromTheHeadlines course of action or social policy. After one of them comes out against it, the other recites a quote endorsing it, or a description of a person who believed it. When the person opposing the policy asks who said that, the proponent identifies it as being by a universally respected historical figure, religious icon, or someone else who is typically considered to have been wise and generally correct about things (such as {{Jesus}}, UsefulNotes/AbrahamLincoln, or UsefulNotes/AlbertEinstein).

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Two characters are discussing a controversial, possibly RippedFromTheHeadlines course of action or social policy. After one of them comes out against it, the other recites a quote endorsing it, or a description of a person who believed it. When the person opposing the policy asks who said that, the proponent identifies it as being by a universally respected historical figure, religious icon, or someone else who is typically considered to have been wise and generally correct about things (such as {{Jesus}}, UsefulNotes/{{Jesus}}, UsefulNotes/AbrahamLincoln, or UsefulNotes/AlbertEinstein).
21st Feb '17 7:27:28 PM Fireblood
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** There's also the anti-abortion argument in the same link, which paints a squalid picture of a mother of a huge family riddled with health problems and no father mentioned, and then "reveals" that the last potential child is Music/LudwigVanBeethoven. Beethoven was the third child of professional-class parents, wealthy enough to give him an extensive musical education, and only a few of his siblings even survived infancy.

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** There's also the anti-abortion argument in the same link, which paints a squalid picture of a mother of a huge family riddled with health problems and no father mentioned, and then "reveals" that the last potential child is Music/LudwigVanBeethoven. Beethoven was the third child of professional-class parents, wealthy enough to give him an extensive musical education, and only a few of his siblings even survived infancy. Some have reversed this it by using an example of a boy born to [[KissingCousins cousins]] with the father being abusive to him, with the reveal that it describes Hitler, to point out this absurdity (with the implication that if he'd been aborted, millions might have lived).



* An experiment carried out during the [=McCarthy=] days had people refusing to sign a document consisting of quotes from the Declaration of Independence and Constitution... out of fear it would have them marked as a Communist.[[note]]This may be an urban legend.[[/note]] Of course AntiIntellectualism was a major part of the RedScare. One famous incident during TheThirties when Hallie Flanagan was called to report to the [=HUAC=] had them citing an interview Flanagan where she quoted an excerpt. The senator asked Flanagan who she was quoting and she said, Creator/ChristopherMarlowe, to which the Commitee asked Flanagan [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer if Marlowe was a communist]], Flanagan reminded the Commitee that Marlowe was an Elizabethan playwright preceding Shakespeare. The Commitee than claimed that art was itself [[InsaneTrollLogic communist]] and leftist and castigated against productions by Mr. [[Creator/{{Euripides}} Euripides]].

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* An experiment carried out during the [=McCarthy=] days had people refusing to sign a document consisting of quotes from the Declaration of Independence and Constitution... out of fear it would have them marked as a Communist.[[note]]This may be an urban legend.[[/note]] Of course AntiIntellectualism was a major part of the RedScare. One famous incident during TheThirties when Hallie Flanagan was called to report to the [=HUAC=] had them citing an interview Flanagan where she quoted an excerpt. The senator asked Flanagan who she was quoting and she said, said Creator/ChristopherMarlowe, to which the Commitee Committee asked Flanagan [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer if Marlowe was a communist]], communist]]. Flanagan reminded the Commitee Committee that Marlowe was an Elizabethan playwright preceding Shakespeare. The Commitee Committee than claimed that art was itself [[InsaneTrollLogic communist]] and leftist and castigated against productions by Mr. [[Creator/{{Euripides}} Euripides]]. This was reproduced in the film ''Cradle Will Rock''.



* A history professor once read a series of speeches to the general approval of his generally left-leaning students, only to reveal at the end that the speeches were given by Benito Mussolini. The goal was not to condemn left-wing politics but merely to prove that fascism was not a right-wing philosophy (It technically is a far-right position, but ideological extremes are said to exist not on a sliding scale, [[TheHorseshoeEffect but rather a horseshoe graph. That is to say, they both meet each other at the bottom]]).

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* A history professor once read a series of speeches to the general approval of his generally left-leaning students, only to reveal at the end that the speeches were given by Benito Mussolini. The goal was not to condemn left-wing politics but merely to prove that fascism was not a right-wing philosophy (It (it technically is a far-right position, but ideological extremes are said to exist not on a sliding scale, [[TheHorseshoeEffect but rather a horseshoe graph. That is to say, they both meet each other at the bottom]]).
20th Jan '17 3:40:17 PM Westing1992
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* That big quote from ''Series/TheWestWing''? Every discussion forum that's ever argued the toss on LGBT rights has had someone quote it.

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* That big quote from ''Series/TheWestWing''? Every discussion forum that's ever argued the toss on LGBT rights has had someone quote it. it, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if8A9Kvg3r0 despite its abundant flaws]].
9th Dec '16 2:22:15 PM ShamusAran
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* ZenPencils has been called a FramingDevice for nothing but one YouKnowWhoSaidThat moment after another.
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10th Oct '16 2:37:15 AM MCanter89
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* Hitler's underling Hermann Goering uttered a phrase which has often been used in this sense, especially in recent years:

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* Hitler's underling Hermann Goering Göring uttered a phrase which has often been used in this sense, especially in recent years:



29th Sep '16 12:51:48 PM Morgenthaler
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'''Jon Stewart:''' Stephen, [[JosephStalin Stalin]] said that. That was Stalin. Jefferson said he'd rather have a free press and no government than a government and no free press.\\

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'''Jon Stewart:''' Stephen, [[JosephStalin [[UsefulNotes/JosephStalin Stalin]] said that. That was Stalin. Jefferson said he'd rather have a free press and no government than a government and no free press.\\
20th Sep '16 7:34:19 AM Morgenthaler
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* One which has been linked to on this site is a page comparing AlGore quotes to those of the Unabomber.

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* One which has been linked to on this site is a page comparing AlGore UsefulNotes/AlGore quotes to those of the Unabomber.
17th Aug '16 10:32:39 AM Berrenta
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* HitlerAteSugar [[http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=70013 fail]] from Website/FundiesSayTheDarndestThings:
-->Here are two official slogans or mottos. As I rehearse them for you, ask yourself where these originated.
--->"Politics do not belong in the church."
--->"The church must be separate from the state."
-->These mottos did not come from the ACLU, nor from Americans United for the Separation of Church and State, nor from the Freedom from Religion Foundation. [[{{Narm}} No, these slogans, word for word, came directly from the mind of Adolph Hitler.]]
** None of which is remotely true: Hitler forcibly amalgamated the Catholic and Lutheran churches into one government-controlled Reich church, persecuting any dissenting clergy, such as Martin Niemoller or Dietrich Bonhoeffer, along with entire minority groups like the Jehovah's Witnesses. So basically the opposite.
** On the other side of the debate, [[http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/hitler-atheist.html Hitler's opinions on atheism]]:
*** "Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without religious foundation is built on air; consequently all character training and religion must be derived from faith..."
*** "We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out." (Hitler really did shut down atheist organizations in Germany, and state-sponsored prayer in schools was firmly entrenched). Note these quotes aren't offered to debunk opponents of church-state separation due to an AssociationFallacy, but the specific claim of "Hitler was an atheist, thus atheism is wrong."
16th Jul '16 9:06:25 AM nombretomado
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Two characters are discussing a controversial, possibly RippedFromTheHeadlines course of action or social policy. After one of them comes out against it, the other recites a quote endorsing it, or a description of a person who believed it. When the person opposing the policy asks who said that, the proponent identifies it as being by a universally respected historical figure, religious icon, or someone else who is typically considered to have been wise and generally correct about things (such as {{Jesus}}, UsefulNotes/AbrahamLincoln, or AlbertEinstein).

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Two characters are discussing a controversial, possibly RippedFromTheHeadlines course of action or social policy. After one of them comes out against it, the other recites a quote endorsing it, or a description of a person who believed it. When the person opposing the policy asks who said that, the proponent identifies it as being by a universally respected historical figure, religious icon, or someone else who is typically considered to have been wise and generally correct about things (such as {{Jesus}}, UsefulNotes/AbrahamLincoln, or AlbertEinstein).
UsefulNotes/AlbertEinstein).
13th May '16 11:04:27 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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-->'''Stephen Colbert:''' It was ThomasJefferson himself who said, "Everyone imposes his own system as far as his army can reach."\\

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-->'''Stephen Colbert:''' It was ThomasJefferson UsefulNotes/ThomasJefferson himself who said, "Everyone imposes his own system as far as his army can reach."\\
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