History Main / YouKnowWhoSaidThat

17th Aug '16 10:32:39 AM Berrenta
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* HitlerAteSugar [[http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=70013 fail]] from Website/FundiesSayTheDarndestThings:
-->Here are two official slogans or mottos. As I rehearse them for you, ask yourself where these originated.
--->"Politics do not belong in the church."
--->"The church must be separate from the state."
-->These mottos did not come from the ACLU, nor from Americans United for the Separation of Church and State, nor from the Freedom from Religion Foundation. [[{{Narm}} No, these slogans, word for word, came directly from the mind of Adolph Hitler.]]
** None of which is remotely true: Hitler forcibly amalgamated the Catholic and Lutheran churches into one government-controlled Reich church, persecuting any dissenting clergy, such as Martin Niemoller or Dietrich Bonhoeffer, along with entire minority groups like the Jehovah's Witnesses. So basically the opposite.
** On the other side of the debate, [[http://www.daylightatheism.org/2006/08/hitler-atheist.html Hitler's opinions on atheism]]:
*** "Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without religious foundation is built on air; consequently all character training and religion must be derived from faith..."
*** "We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out." (Hitler really did shut down atheist organizations in Germany, and state-sponsored prayer in schools was firmly entrenched). Note these quotes aren't offered to debunk opponents of church-state separation due to an AssociationFallacy, but the specific claim of "Hitler was an atheist, thus atheism is wrong."
16th Jul '16 9:06:25 AM nombretomado
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Two characters are discussing a controversial, possibly RippedFromTheHeadlines course of action or social policy. After one of them comes out against it, the other recites a quote endorsing it, or a description of a person who believed it. When the person opposing the policy asks who said that, the proponent identifies it as being by a universally respected historical figure, religious icon, or someone else who is typically considered to have been wise and generally correct about things (such as {{Jesus}}, UsefulNotes/AbrahamLincoln, or AlbertEinstein).

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Two characters are discussing a controversial, possibly RippedFromTheHeadlines course of action or social policy. After one of them comes out against it, the other recites a quote endorsing it, or a description of a person who believed it. When the person opposing the policy asks who said that, the proponent identifies it as being by a universally respected historical figure, religious icon, or someone else who is typically considered to have been wise and generally correct about things (such as {{Jesus}}, UsefulNotes/AbrahamLincoln, or AlbertEinstein).
UsefulNotes/AlbertEinstein).
13th May '16 11:04:27 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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-->'''Stephen Colbert:''' It was ThomasJefferson himself who said, "Everyone imposes his own system as far as his army can reach."\\

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-->'''Stephen Colbert:''' It was ThomasJefferson UsefulNotes/ThomasJefferson himself who said, "Everyone imposes his own system as far as his army can reach."\\
28th Feb '16 2:37:54 AM JulianLapostat
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* An experiment carried out during the [=McCarthy=] days had people refusing to sign a document consisting of quotes from the Declaration of Independence and Constitution... out of fear it would have them marked as a Communist.[[note]]This may be an urban legend.[[/note]]
** Occasionally, reporters pull this stunt for a quick story on how poorly modern US citizens understand their founding documents. It's all quotes with most people, not concepts.

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* An experiment carried out during the [=McCarthy=] days had people refusing to sign a document consisting of quotes from the Declaration of Independence and Constitution... out of fear it would have them marked as a Communist.[[note]]This may be an urban legend.[[/note]]
** Occasionally, reporters pull this stunt for
[[/note]] Of course AntiIntellectualism was a quick story on how poorly modern US citizens understand their founding documents. It's all quotes with most people, not concepts.major part of the RedScare. One famous incident during TheThirties when Hallie Flanagan was called to report to the [=HUAC=] had them citing an interview Flanagan where she quoted an excerpt. The senator asked Flanagan who she was quoting and she said, Creator/ChristopherMarlowe, to which the Commitee asked Flanagan [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer if Marlowe was a communist]], Flanagan reminded the Commitee that Marlowe was an Elizabethan playwright preceding Shakespeare. The Commitee than claimed that art was itself [[InsaneTrollLogic communist]] and leftist and castigated against productions by Mr. [[Creator/{{Euripides}} Euripides]].
27th Feb '16 10:00:00 PM 10-13-2
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* In an early issue of ''Robin'', Two-Face and his gang use automatic weapons to slaughter an entire convention of [[AcceptableTargets lawyers]] (wearing tuxedoes and evening gowns, no less!), [[AssholeVictim an action for which one Gotham police detective jokingly suggests giving them medals]]. Two-Face quickly learns that his henchmen are nowhere near as well-read as he is.
-->'''Two-Face:''' "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers." Do you know who said that?
-->'''Henchman:''' Uhhh...[[LiteralMinded you]]?
-->'''Two-Face:''' [[SurroundedByIdiots Idiot.]]
14th Dec '15 4:13:17 PM Doug86
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* The RoyZimmerman song "That is the War on Terror" uses this, referring to a 'great quote about war': "Now, who said that...? Oh that's right, it was [[GodwinsLaw Hermann Goering.]]"

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* The RoyZimmerman Music/RoyZimmerman song "That is the War on Terror" uses this, referring to a 'great quote about war': "Now, who said that...? Oh that's right, it was [[GodwinsLaw Hermann Goering.]]"
8th Dec '15 1:19:25 AM jormis29
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* A history professor once read a series of speeches to the general approval of his generally left-leaning students, only to reveal at the end that the speeches were given by Benito Mussolini. The goal was not to condemn left-wing politics but merely to prove that fascism was not a right-wing philosophy (It technically is a far-right position, but ideological extremes are said to exist not on a sliding scale, but rather a horseshoe graph. That is to say, [[NotSoDifferent they both meet each other at the bottom]]).

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* A history professor once read a series of speeches to the general approval of his generally left-leaning students, only to reveal at the end that the speeches were given by Benito Mussolini. The goal was not to condemn left-wing politics but merely to prove that fascism was not a right-wing philosophy (It technically is a far-right position, but ideological extremes are said to exist not on a sliding scale, [[TheHorseshoeEffect but rather a horseshoe graph. That is to say, [[NotSoDifferent they both meet each other at the bottom]]).
7th Dec '15 11:19:59 PM Miracle@StOlaf
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* A history professor once read a series of speeches to the general approval of his generally left-leaning students, only to reveal at the end that the speeches were given by Benito Mussolini. The goal was not to condemn left-wing politics but merely to prove that fascism was not a right-wing philosophy (which it actually is... ish. The whole left-right dichotomy kind of breaks down when the people in charge aren't even paying lip-service to democracy. Fascism is generally called ''fusionist'' i.e. a fusion of both left and right, or a "third position", so this is not really surprising. Many might agree that it takes the worst aspects of both).

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* A history professor once read a series of speeches to the general approval of his generally left-leaning students, only to reveal at the end that the speeches were given by Benito Mussolini. The goal was not to condemn left-wing politics but merely to prove that fascism was not a right-wing philosophy (which it actually is... ish. The whole left-right dichotomy kind of breaks down when the people in charge aren't even paying lip-service (It technically is a far-right position, but ideological extremes are said to democracy. Fascism exist not on a sliding scale, but rather a horseshoe graph. That is generally called ''fusionist'' i.e. a fusion of to say, [[NotSoDifferent they both left and right, or a "third position", so this is not really surprising. Many might agree that it takes meet each other at the worst aspects of both).bottom]]).
27th Nov '15 6:51:52 PM Fireblood
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* ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration''. Jean-Luc Picard, facing a WitchHunt of a hearing, quotes the investigator's father speaking out against just such actions. The prosecutor takes the usage of her idolized father's quote against her so poorly that the admiral presiding over the trial leaves immediately and dismisses all charges.

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* ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration''. Jean-Luc Picard, facing a WitchHunt of a hearing, quotes the investigator's father speaking out against just such actions. The prosecutor investigator takes the usage of her idolized father's quote against her so poorly that the admiral presiding over the trial leaves her superior watching immediately leaves and dismisses all charges.ends the investigation.



** There was an episode wherein the antagonist, a corrupt mortician, is ''constantly'' doing this with the Bible. For example, at one point he says, "Like the Bible says, 'Penny saved, penny earned.'" He is told that the quotation is actually from Creator/BenjaminFranklin. Later in the episode the same formula is inverted by the same character against him in a cruelly ironic way.
** There was another episode with a young thug (who may be undead) who does the same thing with the quotes of ''various'' religions. For instance, at one point he attributes "first come, first serve" to Buddha Guatama.
* This is wonderfully [[DiscussedTrope discussed]] in a ''Series/TheWestWing'' episode where the President takes apart a woman who made her radio career on this type of thing.

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** There was an episode wherein the antagonist, a corrupt mortician, is ''constantly'' doing this with the Bible. For example, at one point he says, says "Like the Bible says, 'Penny saved, penny earned.'" He is told that the quotation is actually from Creator/BenjaminFranklin. Later in the episode the same formula is inverted by the same character against him in a cruelly ironic way.
** There was another episode with a young thug (who may be undead) who does the same thing with the quotes of ''various'' religions. For instance, at one point he attributes "first come, first serve" to Buddha Guatama.
Guatama Buddha.
* This is wonderfully [[DiscussedTrope discussed]] {{discussed}} in a ''Series/TheWestWing'' episode where the President takes apart a woman who made her radio career on this type of thing.



-->'''Bartlet:''' Chapter and verse. I wanted to ask you a couple of questions while I have you here. I'm interested in selling my youngest daughter into slavery as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. She's a Georgetown sophomore, speaks fluent Italian, always cleared the table when it was her turn. What would a good price for her be? While thinking about that, can I ask another? My Chief of Staff Leo [=McGarry=] insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly says that he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself or is it okay to call the police? Here's one that's really important because we've got a lot of sports fans in this town: touching the skin of a dead pig makes one unclean. Leviticus 11:7. If they promise to wear gloves, can the Washington Redskins still play football? Can Notre Dame? Can West Point? Does the whole town ''really'' have to be together to stone my brother John for planting different crops side by side? Can I burn my mother in a small family gathering for wearing garments made from two different threads? Think about these questions, would you? One last thing: While you may be mistaking this for your monthly meeting of the Ignorant Tight-Ass Club, in this building, when the President stands, nobody sits.

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-->'''Bartlet:''' Chapter and verse. I wanted to ask you a couple of questions while I have you here. I'm interested in selling my youngest daughter into slavery as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. She's a Georgetown sophomore, speaks fluent Italian, always cleared the table when it was her turn. What would a good price for her be? While thinking about that, can I ask another? My Chief of Staff Leo [=McGarry=] insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly says that he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself or is it okay to call the police? Here's one that's really important because we've got a lot of sports fans in this town: touching the skin of a dead pig makes one unclean. Leviticus 11:7. If they promise to wear gloves, can the Washington Redskins still play football? Can Notre Dame? Can West Point? Does the whole town ''really'' have to be together to stone my brother John for planting different crops side by side? Can I burn my mother in a small family gathering for wearing garments made from two different threads? Think about these questions, would you? One last thing: While while you may be mistaking this for your monthly meeting of the Ignorant Tight-Ass Club, in this building, when the President stands, nobody sits.



Common examples are "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" in the context of separation of church and state or paying taxes, and "Love your enemies" in the context of pacifism (both uttered by Jesus). Louis Blanc derived the slogan "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" from a passage in Acts, chapter 2, which was more famously reproduced by Karl Marx, though in reference to only the higher phase of socialism, as he supported labor vouchers being used in the 'lower phase' of socialism, while Louis Blanc intended it to describe an immediate post-revolutionary situation. Annoyingly, Karl Marx didn't even quote correctly, his line is derived from Acts 4:32: "The believers had all things in common, giving to anyone who had need." Around the same time, anarcho-socialist Pierre-Joseph Proudhon wrote the book ''What Is Property?'' with an answer within it that "property is theft," thus coining the well-known political slogan. Among the influences he cites at the front of the book is "Jesus Christ", based on the same quote.

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Common examples are "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" in the context of separation of church and state or paying taxes, and "Love your enemies" in the context of pacifism (both uttered by Jesus). Louis Blanc derived the slogan "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" from a passage in Acts, chapter 2, which was more famously reproduced by Karl Marx, though in reference to only the higher phase of socialism, as he supported labor vouchers being used in the 'lower phase' of socialism, while Louis Blanc intended it to describe an immediate post-revolutionary situation. Annoyingly, Karl Marx didn't even quote correctly, his line is derived from Acts 4:32: "The believers had all things in common, giving to anyone who had need." Around the same time, Before either, anarcho-socialist Pierre-Joseph Proudhon also wrote the book ''What Is Property?'' with an answer within it that "property is theft," thus coining the well-known political slogan. Among the influences he cites at the front of the book is "Jesus Christ", based on the same quote. Christian socialists like Edward Bellamy, author of ''Literature/LookingBackward'', typically cite this and other verses as justification.



* [[http://www.snopes.com/glurge/twoquest.htm A popular chain e-mail]] offers the reader a choice in leaders between a pair of lazy, womanising drunkards and a chaste war hero. After you read further along, you discover that the drunkards were UsefulNotes/FranklinDRoosevelt and UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill, and the war hero was UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler. This is actually inaccurate, as Hitler had a girlfriend and Churchill was extremely loyal to his wife. (But he ''was'' [[ITakeOffenseToThatLastOne a drunkard]].)

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* [[http://www.snopes.com/glurge/twoquest.htm A popular chain e-mail]] offers the reader a choice in leaders between a pair of lazy, womanising drunkards and a chaste war hero. After you read further along, you discover that the drunkards were UsefulNotes/FranklinDRoosevelt and UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill, and the war hero was UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler. This is actually inaccurate, as Hitler had a girlfriend (whom he married before their suicides) and Churchill was extremely loyal to his wife. (But wife (but he ''was'' [[ITakeOffenseToThatLastOne a drunkard]].)drunkard]]).



** (None of which is remotely true: Hitler forcibly amalgamated the Catholic and Lutheran churches into one government-controlled Reich church, persecuting any dissenting clergy, such as Martin Niemoller or Dietrich Bonhoeffer, along with entire minority groups like the Jehovah's Witnesses. So basically the opposite).

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** (None None of which is remotely true: Hitler forcibly amalgamated the Catholic and Lutheran churches into one government-controlled Reich church, persecuting any dissenting clergy, such as Martin Niemoller or Dietrich Bonhoeffer, along with entire minority groups like the Jehovah's Witnesses. So basically the opposite).opposite.



** The book ''They Never Said It'' questions this one: the students rebelling at the time were mostly Young Nazis objecting to Jewish professors.

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** The book ''They Never Said It'' questions this one: the students rebelling at the time were mostly Young young Nazis objecting to Jewish professors.



* A history professor once read a series of speeches to the general approval of his generally left-leaning students, only to reveal at the end that the speeches were given by Benito Mussolini. The goal was not to condemn left wing politics but merely to prove that fascism was not a right-wing philosophy (which it actually is... ish. The whole left-right dichotomy kind of breaks down when the people in charge aren't even paying lip-service to democracy.)

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* A history professor once read a series of speeches to the general approval of his generally left-leaning students, only to reveal at the end that the speeches were given by Benito Mussolini. The goal was not to condemn left wing left-wing politics but merely to prove that fascism was not a right-wing philosophy (which it actually is... ish. The whole left-right dichotomy kind of breaks down when the people in charge aren't even paying lip-service to democracy.) Fascism is generally called ''fusionist'' i.e. a fusion of both left and right, or a "third position", so this is not really surprising. Many might agree that it takes the worst aspects of both).
10th Nov '15 5:57:34 PM nombretomado
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* In ''Series/SlingsAndArrows'', Sanjay has a habit of making up quotes that support his (totally absurd) claims, and attributing them to RichardNixon.

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* In ''Series/SlingsAndArrows'', Sanjay has a habit of making up quotes that support his (totally absurd) claims, and attributing them to RichardNixon.UsefulNotes/RichardNixon.
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