History Main / YouKnowWhoSaidThat

27th Dec '17 12:37:24 PM Nakuyabi
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* Social science has [[https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/02/170228222756.htm lately been studying this trope in partisan politics]]. One political tactic that has lately been gaining credibility as a means of persuasion is to present people from the opposing faction with a highly agreeable statement from one of the leaders of one's own faction without attributing it to its actual source. Then, when members of the opposition agree with the statement, spring this trope on them: "You know who else agrees with that? [Source], because he/she's the one who said it!" This is especially persuasive if the statement is something specifically about one of the "hot-button" issues of the day, e.g. "You know who ''else'' agrees with you slaveholders that black people aren't equal to white people? Abraham Lincoln, because he's the one who said that!"



* Social science has [[https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/02/170228222756.htm lately been studying this trope in partisan politics]]. One political tactic that has lately been gaining credibility as a means of persuasion is to present people from the opposing faction with a highly agreeable statement from one of the leaders of one's own faction without attributing it to its actual source. Then, when members of the opposition agree with the statement, spring this trope on them: "You know who else agrees with that? [Source], because he/she's the one who said it!" This is especially persuasive if the statement is something specifically about one of the "hot-button" issues of the day, e.g. "You know who ''else'' agrees with you slaveholders that black people aren't equal to white people? Abraham Lincoln, because he's the one who said that!"

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* Social science has [[https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/02/170228222756.htm lately been studying this trope in partisan politics]]. One political tactic that has lately been gaining credibility as a means of persuasion is to present people from the opposing faction with a highly agreeable statement from one of the leaders of one's own faction without attributing it to its actual source. Then, when members of the opposition agree with the statement, spring this trope on them: "You know who else agrees with that? [Source], because he/she's the one who said it!" This is especially persuasive if the statement is something specifically about one of the "hot-button" issues of the day, e.g. "You know who ''else'' agrees with you slaveholders that black people aren't equal to white people? Abraham Lincoln, because he's the one who said that!"
27th Dec '17 12:36:59 PM Nakuyabi
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* Social science has [[https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/02/170228222756.htm lately been studying this trope in partisan politics]]. One political tactic that has lately been gaining credibility as a means of persuasion is to present people from the opposing faction with a highly agreeable statement from one of the leaders of one's own faction without attributing it to its actual source. Then, when members of the opposition agree with the statement, spring this trope on them: "You know who else agrees with that? [Source], because he/she's the one who said it!" This is especially persuasive if the statement is something specifically about one of the "hot-button" issues of the day, e.g. "You know who ''else'' agrees with you slaveholders that black people aren't equal to white people? Abraham Lincoln, because he's the one who said that!"
26th Dec '17 4:52:30 PM SantosLHalper
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* An experiment carried out during the [=McCarthy=] days had people refusing to sign a document consisting of quotes from the Declaration of Independence and Constitution... out of fear it would have them marked as a Communist.[[note]]This may be an urban legend.[[/note]] Of course AntiIntellectualism was a major part of the RedScare. One famous incident during TheThirties when Hallie Flanagan was called to report to the [=HUAC=] had them citing an interview Flanagan where she quoted an excerpt. The senator asked Flanagan who she was quoting and she said Creator/ChristopherMarlowe, to which the Committee asked Flanagan [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer if Marlowe was a communist]]. Flanagan reminded the Committee that Marlowe was an Elizabethan playwright preceding Shakespeare. The Committee than claimed that art was itself [[InsaneTrollLogic communist]] and leftist and castigated productions by Mr. [[Creator/{{Euripides}} Euripides]]. This was reproduced in the film ''Cradle Will Rock''.

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* [[http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/govt-and-politics/years-ago-fear-ruled-fourth-reporter-s-petition-measured-effect/article_3a6ea200-819c-11e0-994d-001cc4c03286.html An experiment experiment]] carried out during the [=McCarthy=] days had people refusing to sign a document consisting of quotes from the Declaration of Independence and Constitution... out of fear it would have them marked as a Communist.[[note]]This may be an urban legend.[[/note]] Of course AntiIntellectualism was a major part of the RedScare. One famous incident during TheThirties when Hallie Flanagan was called to report to the [=HUAC=] had them citing an interview Flanagan where she quoted an excerpt. The senator asked Flanagan who she was quoting and she said Creator/ChristopherMarlowe, to which the Committee asked Flanagan [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer if Marlowe was a communist]]. Flanagan reminded the Committee that Marlowe was an Elizabethan playwright preceding Shakespeare. The Committee than claimed that art was itself [[InsaneTrollLogic communist]] and leftist and castigated productions by Mr. [[Creator/{{Euripides}} Euripides]]. This was reproduced in the film ''Cradle Will Rock''.
7th Jul '17 4:31:34 PM ShaiPa
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->'''Riker''': Someone once said, “Don’t try to be a great man, Just be a man, and let history make its own judgments.”
->'''Cochrane''': Rhetorical nonsense. Who said that?
->'''Riker''': You did, ten years from now.
--> -- ''Film/StarTrekFirstContact''


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* The movie ''Film/{{Airplane}}'' plays the trope surprisingly straight. When Ted Stryker has lost his confidence and [[AchillesInHisTent refuses to help land the plane]], Dr. Zumack tells of him about a dying pilot whose last words were about agreeing with his captain’s decision during a dangerous mission. The pilot is George Zipp, and his captain was Ted Stryker. Hearing this restores Ted's confidence and leads him to fly the plane again.
1st Apr '17 8:51:11 PM DustSnitch
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Two characters are discussing a controversial, possibly RippedFromTheHeadlines course of action or social policy. After one of them comes out against it, the other recites a quote endorsing it, or a description of a person who believed it. When the person opposing the policy asks who said that, the proponent identifies it as being by a universally respected historical figure, religious icon, or someone else who is typically considered to have been wise and generally correct about things (such as {{Jesus}}, UsefulNotes/AbrahamLincoln, or UsefulNotes/AlbertEinstein).

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Two characters are discussing a controversial, possibly RippedFromTheHeadlines course of action or social policy. After one of them comes out against it, the other recites a quote endorsing it, or a description of a person who believed it. When the person opposing the policy asks who said that, the proponent identifies it as being by a universally respected historical figure, religious icon, or someone else who is typically considered to have been wise and generally correct about things (such as {{Jesus}}, UsefulNotes/{{Jesus}}, UsefulNotes/AbrahamLincoln, or UsefulNotes/AlbertEinstein).
21st Feb '17 7:27:28 PM Fireblood
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** There's also the anti-abortion argument in the same link, which paints a squalid picture of a mother of a huge family riddled with health problems and no father mentioned, and then "reveals" that the last potential child is Music/LudwigVanBeethoven. Beethoven was the third child of professional-class parents, wealthy enough to give him an extensive musical education, and only a few of his siblings even survived infancy.

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** There's also the anti-abortion argument in the same link, which paints a squalid picture of a mother of a huge family riddled with health problems and no father mentioned, and then "reveals" that the last potential child is Music/LudwigVanBeethoven. Beethoven was the third child of professional-class parents, wealthy enough to give him an extensive musical education, and only a few of his siblings even survived infancy. Some have reversed this it by using an example of a boy born to [[KissingCousins cousins]] with the father being abusive to him, with the reveal that it describes Hitler, to point out this absurdity (with the implication that if he'd been aborted, millions might have lived).



* An experiment carried out during the [=McCarthy=] days had people refusing to sign a document consisting of quotes from the Declaration of Independence and Constitution... out of fear it would have them marked as a Communist.[[note]]This may be an urban legend.[[/note]] Of course AntiIntellectualism was a major part of the RedScare. One famous incident during TheThirties when Hallie Flanagan was called to report to the [=HUAC=] had them citing an interview Flanagan where she quoted an excerpt. The senator asked Flanagan who she was quoting and she said, Creator/ChristopherMarlowe, to which the Commitee asked Flanagan [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer if Marlowe was a communist]], Flanagan reminded the Commitee that Marlowe was an Elizabethan playwright preceding Shakespeare. The Commitee than claimed that art was itself [[InsaneTrollLogic communist]] and leftist and castigated against productions by Mr. [[Creator/{{Euripides}} Euripides]].

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* An experiment carried out during the [=McCarthy=] days had people refusing to sign a document consisting of quotes from the Declaration of Independence and Constitution... out of fear it would have them marked as a Communist.[[note]]This may be an urban legend.[[/note]] Of course AntiIntellectualism was a major part of the RedScare. One famous incident during TheThirties when Hallie Flanagan was called to report to the [=HUAC=] had them citing an interview Flanagan where she quoted an excerpt. The senator asked Flanagan who she was quoting and she said, said Creator/ChristopherMarlowe, to which the Commitee Committee asked Flanagan [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer if Marlowe was a communist]], communist]]. Flanagan reminded the Commitee Committee that Marlowe was an Elizabethan playwright preceding Shakespeare. The Commitee Committee than claimed that art was itself [[InsaneTrollLogic communist]] and leftist and castigated against productions by Mr. [[Creator/{{Euripides}} Euripides]]. This was reproduced in the film ''Cradle Will Rock''.



* A history professor once read a series of speeches to the general approval of his generally left-leaning students, only to reveal at the end that the speeches were given by Benito Mussolini. The goal was not to condemn left-wing politics but merely to prove that fascism was not a right-wing philosophy (It technically is a far-right position, but ideological extremes are said to exist not on a sliding scale, [[TheHorseshoeEffect but rather a horseshoe graph. That is to say, they both meet each other at the bottom]]).

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* A history professor once read a series of speeches to the general approval of his generally left-leaning students, only to reveal at the end that the speeches were given by Benito Mussolini. The goal was not to condemn left-wing politics but merely to prove that fascism was not a right-wing philosophy (It (it technically is a far-right position, but ideological extremes are said to exist not on a sliding scale, [[TheHorseshoeEffect but rather a horseshoe graph. That is to say, they both meet each other at the bottom]]).
20th Jan '17 3:40:17 PM Westing1992
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* That big quote from ''Series/TheWestWing''? Every discussion forum that's ever argued the toss on LGBT rights has had someone quote it.

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* That big quote from ''Series/TheWestWing''? Every discussion forum that's ever argued the toss on LGBT rights has had someone quote it. it, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if8A9Kvg3r0 despite its abundant flaws]].
9th Dec '16 2:22:15 PM ShamusAran
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* ZenPencils has been called a FramingDevice for nothing but one YouKnowWhoSaidThat moment after another.
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10th Oct '16 2:37:15 AM MCanter89
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* Hitler's underling Hermann Goering uttered a phrase which has often been used in this sense, especially in recent years:

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* Hitler's underling Hermann Goering Göring uttered a phrase which has often been used in this sense, especially in recent years:



29th Sep '16 12:51:48 PM Morgenthaler
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'''Jon Stewart:''' Stephen, [[JosephStalin Stalin]] said that. That was Stalin. Jefferson said he'd rather have a free press and no government than a government and no free press.\\

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'''Jon Stewart:''' Stephen, [[JosephStalin [[UsefulNotes/JosephStalin Stalin]] said that. That was Stalin. Jefferson said he'd rather have a free press and no government than a government and no free press.\\
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