History Main / YouCantFightFate

23rd Jul '16 6:35:26 AM morane
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* The concept of predestination, which is prevalent in Western Christianity, especially in Calvinist denominations, lesser in Lutheranism and Roman Catholicism, but also in Islam. While the idea that the ultimate fate of every human being is ''foreknown'' by God is accepted by all, "Predestination" is normally associated with the idea that God picks who he will save ''completely'' independent of what that person does in life. This is because salvation is a freely given gift, and not something one can "earn." [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment Suffice to say]], [[FlameWar this is a rather contentious school of thought]], particularly as it seems to invalidate free will.

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* The concept of predestination, which is prevalent in Western Christianity, especially in Calvinist denominations, lesser in Lutheranism and Roman Catholicism, but also in Islam. While the idea that the ultimate fate of every human being is ''foreknown'' by God is accepted by all, "Predestination" is normally associated with the idea that God picks who he will save ''completely'' independent of what that person does in life. This is because salvation is a freely given gift, and not something one can "earn." [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment Suffice to say]], [[FlameWar this is a rather contentious school of thought]], particularly as it seems to invalidate free will. Taken to its [[UnfortunateImplications logical extreme]], it will make [[GodIsEvil God the source of all sin and evil]], which is, of course, not Biblical.
18th Jul '16 12:34:39 PM VVK
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* Doctor Manhattan of ''Comicbook/{{Watchmen}}'' gradually came to such a belief due to his immense powers. Despite being a PhysicalGod, he felt himself powerless before the forces governing the universe. Even though he could see key events before they occurred and could easily have shaped history to his liking, he felt that anything he did would be so insignificant in the long run, taking action was pointless. [[spoiler:His ability to see the future being disrupted is one of the reasons he stops being passive.]]
** Doctor Manhattan could ''not'' change the future to his liking because his "foreknowledge" was simply an ability to remember future events. While he could foresee the future he could only react to it in the moment, meaning that anything that took him by surprise at the time was beyond his ability to change. Basically, he lives in an "eternal now".

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* [[NonLinearCharacter Doctor Manhattan Manhattan]] of ''Comicbook/{{Watchmen}}'' gradually came to such a belief due to his immense powers. Despite being a PhysicalGod, he felt himself powerless before the forces governing the universe. Even though he could see key events before they occurred and could easily have shaped history to his liking, he felt states that anything he did would be so insignificant in the long run, taking action was pointless. [[spoiler:His ability to see the future being disrupted is one of the reasons he stops being passive.]]
** Doctor Manhattan could ''not''
can't change the future to his liking that he sees because his "foreknowledge" was simply an ability to remember future events. While when he could foresee sees it, that means it's "already" "there"; the future is ostensibly present to him like the present is, so changing it would be like making something unhappen that already happened. This applies even to his own reactions, since sometimes he could only reacts with surprise to things he already knew about because that's what causality has him do. Thus, he has no free will. ("We're all puppets, Laurie. I'm just a puppet who can see the strings.") But while he claims he can't react to it in information from the moment, meaning that anything that took him by surprise future, he does do so when he explains to people things he sees will happen. At around this point at the time was beyond his ability latest, it all turns into a huge MindScrew if you try to change. Basically, he lives in an "eternal now".think about how it should really work. It helps that he's so absolutely neutral he's not really motivated to change the future anyway.
12th Jul '16 8:21:18 PM TheTropper
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* In ''VideoGame/RadiantHistoria'' all the things that happened were ThePlan [[spoiler: from the twins to, not only save the world, but also to make Heiss accept his fate of being the sacrifice]].

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* In ''VideoGame/RadiantHistoria'' ''VideoGame/TheWalkingDead'', regardless of alternate choices made, the outcome of certain events; such as Doug's or Carley's death will exactly be the same.
* In ''VideoGame/RadiantHistoria'',
all the things that happened were ThePlan [[spoiler: from the twins to, not only save the world, but also to make Heiss accept his fate of being the sacrifice]].sacrifice.]]
9th Jul '16 11:50:14 AM nombretomado
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* In ''Franchise/{{Bionicle}}'', generally speaking, anyone who tries to avoid their destiny fails. [[spoiler:[[BigBad Makuta]] was supposed to help [[BigGood Mata Nui]] repair the shattered planet Spheres Magna, but turned evil and tried to take over. When the two eventually fought, Makuta ended up drawing in the two fragments in an attempt to attack Mata Nui, one of which hit him in the back of the head and killed him. Thanks to Makuta pulling the planet chunks closer, Mata Nui is able to finish the job on his own.]]

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* In ''Franchise/{{Bionicle}}'', ''Toys/{{Bionicle}}'', generally speaking, anyone who tries to avoid their destiny fails. [[spoiler:[[BigBad Makuta]] was supposed to help [[BigGood Mata Nui]] repair the shattered planet Spheres Magna, but turned evil and tried to take over. When the two eventually fought, Makuta ended up drawing in the two fragments in an attempt to attack Mata Nui, one of which hit him in the back of the head and killed him. Thanks to Makuta pulling the planet chunks closer, Mata Nui is able to finish the job on his own.]]
11th Jun '16 5:07:53 AM narm00
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* Present throughout ''ComicBook/BoosterGold'', but particularly in the issue where he tries to keep Barbara Gordon (Comicbook/{{Batgirl}}) [[Comicbook/TheKillingJoke from getting shot by]] SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker. He tries and fails to stop the event from happening multiple times before accepting that there are some things he isn't capable of changing because of solidified time (i.e. changing the past purposely, already extremely dangerous in "normal" cases, becomes impossible because certain events are too important to change, such as preventing Barbra Gordon from being crippled, thus preventing her from becoming Oracle, or saving ComicBook/BlueBeetle, preventing the Max Lord / Checkmate conspiracy from being revealed).
* ''Comicbook/UniversalWarOne'' , when the group of heroes are trapped in the past, one of them realise that all the attempts to avoid the death of one of them is in fact leading to his death.

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* Present throughout ''ComicBook/BoosterGold'', but particularly in the issue where he tries to keep Barbara Gordon (Comicbook/{{Batgirl}}) [[Comicbook/TheKillingJoke from getting shot by]] SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker.ComicBook/TheJoker. He tries and fails to stop the event from happening multiple times before accepting that there are some things he isn't capable of changing because of solidified time (i.e. changing the past purposely, already extremely dangerous in "normal" cases, becomes impossible because certain events are too important to change, such as preventing Barbra Barbara Gordon from being crippled, thus preventing her from becoming Oracle, or saving ComicBook/BlueBeetle, preventing the Max Lord / Checkmate conspiracy from being revealed).
* ''Comicbook/UniversalWarOne'' , ** It later turns out, as revealed in ''[[ComicBook/DCRebirth DC Universe: Rebirth]]'', that time can be changed in regards to these events, whether changing their outcome (so Barbara regains the use of her legs), or rewinding/removing them so they haven't happened (so Ted Kord is alive, but hasn't become Blue Beetle) - but only when the timestream's vulnerable, such as in the aftermath of ''ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}}''.
* ''Comicbook/UniversalWarOne'': When
the group of heroes are trapped in the past, one of them realise realises that all the attempts to avoid the death of one of them is in fact leading to his death.



** Season 2's episode "How Long is Forever?" has Starfire sent into 20 years into the future during a battle with a time-traveling villain named Warp. In the future, her friends split apart after he absence and Warp tells her, despite believing his interference caused it, that nothing has changed, as everything is as history says it is. Of course, [[ScrewDestiny reuniting her friends proves otherwise]].

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** Season 2's episode "How Long is Forever?" has Starfire sent into 20 years into the future during a battle with a time-traveling villain named Warp. In the future, her friends split apart after he her absence and Warp tells her, despite believing his interference caused it, that nothing has changed, as everything is as history says it is. Of course, [[ScrewDestiny reuniting her friends proves otherwise]].
1st Jun '16 10:33:39 AM emeriin
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* In WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic's editorial on ''Film/{[Unbreakable}}'', he discusses the darker side of this, asking about the people who hadn't wanted to be mean and the people destined to be victims.
26th May '16 10:53:11 PM M84
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* In the backstory of ''Film/{{Krull}}'', the Cyclops race made a [[DealWithTheDevil deal]] with The Beast: they would trade one of their eyes in exchange for the ability to see the future. The Beast took their eyes and gave them the ability to see the future. Specifically, their future ''deaths''. Any Cyclops who tries to avoid their fated end always ends up dying in an even more painful way instead. The Cyclops Rell leaves the rest of the heroes near the end because his time has come. [[spoiler:He goes back to help them anyway and holds open a pair of moving walls just long enough for the others to enter the lair. Sadly, they are unable to save him as the walls slowly crush him to death.]]
24th May '16 9:43:21 PM lachieshocker
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** Boingo's Stand, Thoth, takes the form of a comic book that predicts the immediate future. These predictions are boasted by Boingo as being 100% absolute. While this is true, they are also highly prone to {{Prophecy Twist}}s; especially if someone actively tries to avoid the predictions of the book. For example, when Boingo's brother Oingo is about to be caught planting a trap that Thoth has prophecised will blow up Jotaro, he uses his Stand to transform himself ''into'' Jotaro to escape detection and ends up being the one who is injured in the trap.

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** Boingo's Stand, Thoth, takes the form of a comic book that predicts the immediate future. These predictions are boasted by Boingo as being 100% absolute. While this is true, they are also highly prone to {{Prophecy Twist}}s; especially if someone actively tries to avoid the predictions of the book. For example, when Boingo's brother Oingo is about to be caught planting a trap that Thoth has prophecised will blow up Jotaro, he uses his Stand to transform himself ''into'' Jotaro to escape detection and ends up being the one who is injured in the trap. [[spoiler: However, one of Thoth's predictions shows Jotaro's face being split in half with "blood everywhere". While this doesn't happen immediately, over 25 years later, Jotaro is killed by Enrico Pucci's Stand Made In Heaven. The scenario? His face is split in half.]]
24th May '16 8:31:35 PM Someoneman
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* It seems that fate is quite determined to have Alexander, main character of ''VideoGame/CirqueDeZale'', become the hero who will save the world. Once Alexander accomplishes his goal of getting a circus together, [[spoiler:he is kidnapped by the sorceror he was supposed to stop. Once he escapes and ends up on a deserted island, he decides to just stay in the fancy mansion that another inhabitant of the island built, resulting in said mansion getting destroyed.]] In the end, [[spoiler:Alexander destroys the device of destruction, but claims that he just did it because he wanted to, not because he was destined to.]]
23rd May '16 9:56:06 AM Doug86
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* ''DarkOracle'': Attempts at preventing the comic's predictions from coming true inevitably result in a SelfFulfillingProphecy.

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* ''DarkOracle'': ''Series/DarkOracle'': Attempts at preventing the comic's predictions from coming true inevitably result in a SelfFulfillingProphecy.
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