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2nd Jun '18 11:23:16 AM nombretomado
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At some point in the conversation, the personification of TV Tropes drops a little MindScrew in your tea: [[TheTreacheryOfImages you are not looking at, or conversing with, all that TV Tropes is]]. You are not even seeing an [[{{Glamour}} illusion that TV Tropes is projecting into your mind]]. Rather, the sheer [[SugarWiki awesomeness]] of TV Tropes, the [[TheContributors might]] and [[DarthWiki/ThisExists immense hideousness of it]], or [[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife its life-ruining influence]] bypass your eyes and occipital lobe entirely, and your mind meekly registers it as the closest, safest, yet still comparable thing on hand.[[note]]For safety's sake, just say TheWikiWitchOfTheWeb put a spell on you[[/note]] You Cannot Grasp The True Form, or else you will GoMadFromTheRevelation. May overlap with BrownNote.

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At some point in the conversation, the personification of TV Tropes drops a little MindScrew in your tea: [[TheTreacheryOfImages you are not looking at, or conversing with, all that TV Tropes is]]. You are not even seeing an [[{{Glamour}} illusion that TV Tropes is projecting into your mind]]. Rather, the sheer [[SugarWiki [[SugarWiki/SweetExists awesomeness]] of TV Tropes, the [[TheContributors might]] and [[DarthWiki/ThisExists immense hideousness of it]], or [[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife its life-ruining influence]] bypass your eyes and occipital lobe entirely, and your mind meekly registers it as the closest, safest, yet still comparable thing on hand.[[note]]For safety's sake, just say TheWikiWitchOfTheWeb put a spell on you[[/note]] You Cannot Grasp The True Form, or else you will GoMadFromTheRevelation. May overlap with BrownNote.
28th May '18 2:22:19 PM PatPayne
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** This trope was invoked by Creator/RusselTDavies to explain why the Time War would not be depicted onscreen -- the true form could not be grasped by any sort odf special effects and so anything that was attempted would be disappointing.

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** This trope was invoked by Creator/RusselTDavies Creator/RussellTDavies to explain why the Time War would not be depicted onscreen -- the true form could not be grasped by any sort odf of special effects and so anything that was attempted would be disappointing.
28th May '18 2:21:47 PM PatPayne
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** This trope was invoked by Creator/RusselTDavies to explain why the Time War would not be depicted onscreen -- the true form could not be grasped by any sort odf special effects and so anything that was attempted would be disappointing.
28th May '18 6:02:26 AM shawn_allen
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** In The Acts of the Apostles, the Holy Spirit descended upon the Apostles "like tongues of fire". Since the only way to make light in the first century would have been A) the Sun (obviously not it) B) lightning (again, not in a flash) or C) fire, this would have been the only way someone then could have described it. They would not have said something like "descended with the brightness of a 100-watt light bulb."
25th May '18 5:21:59 PM Malady
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At some point in the conversation, the personification of TV Tropes drops a little MindScrew in your tea: [[TheTreacheryOfImages you are not looking at, or conversing with, all that TV Tropes is]]. You are not even seeing an [[{{Glamour}} illusion that TV Tropes is projecting into your mind]]. Rather, the sheer [[SugarWiki awesomeness]] of TV Tropes, the [[TheContributors might]] and [[DarthWiki immense hideousness of it]], or [[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife its life-ruining influence]] bypass your eyes and occipital lobe entirely, and your mind meekly registers it as the closest, safest, yet still comparable thing on hand.[[note]]For safety's sake, just say TheWikiWitchOfTheWeb put a spell on you[[/note]] You Cannot Grasp The True Form, or else you will GoMadFromTheRevelation. May overlap with BrownNote.

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At some point in the conversation, the personification of TV Tropes drops a little MindScrew in your tea: [[TheTreacheryOfImages you are not looking at, or conversing with, all that TV Tropes is]]. You are not even seeing an [[{{Glamour}} illusion that TV Tropes is projecting into your mind]]. Rather, the sheer [[SugarWiki awesomeness]] of TV Tropes, the [[TheContributors might]] and [[DarthWiki [[DarthWiki/ThisExists immense hideousness of it]], or [[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife its life-ruining influence]] bypass your eyes and occipital lobe entirely, and your mind meekly registers it as the closest, safest, yet still comparable thing on hand.[[note]]For safety's sake, just say TheWikiWitchOfTheWeb put a spell on you[[/note]] You Cannot Grasp The True Form, or else you will GoMadFromTheRevelation. May overlap with BrownNote.
24th May '18 11:47:54 AM intastiel
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* In ''Literature/TheStormlightArchive'' book ''Literature/{{Oathbringer}}'', the GodOfEvil Odium appears to Dalinar [[GodInHumanForm in human form]] for a chat. Dalinar makes the mistake of telling Odium that he now knows the face of his enemy, so Odium gives him a glimpse of the infinite seething expanse of fire, divine power, and raw transcendent hatred that he ''really'' is, leaving Dalinar acutely aware that any more exposure would drive him insane.
23rd May '18 8:52:04 PM Kuruni
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* Played straight and subverted in Dan Abnett's ''[[Literature/HorusHeresy Know No Fear]]''. While fleeing from Chaos Daemons two Guardsmen perceive them as horrific monsters with horns, spikes and forked tongues. However one member of their party, the seemingly immortal Oll Persson thinks to himself that what they are seeing is not the true form of a Daemon, it is what their minds are perceiving it as by pulling together bits of what they believe monsters look like. He however sees their true forms as shapeless clouds of warp energy and is able to kill them.

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* Played straight and subverted Subverted in Dan Abnett's ''[[Literature/HorusHeresy Know No Fear]]''. While fleeing from Chaos Daemons two Guardsmen perceive them as horrific monsters with horns, spikes and forked tongues. However one member of their party, the seemingly immortal Oll Persson thinks to himself that what they are seeing is not the true form of a Daemon, it is what their minds are perceiving it as by pulling together bits of what they believe monsters look like. He however sees their true forms as shapeless clouds of warp energy and is able to kill them.
23rd May '18 6:27:01 PM sonofhades
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* Played straight and subverted in Dan Abnett's ''[[Literature/HorusHeresy Know No Fear]]''. While fleeing from Chaos Daemons two Guardsmen perceive them as horrific monsters with horns, spikes and forked tongues. However one member of their party, the seemingly immortal Oll Persson thinks to himself that what they are seeing is not the true form of a Daemon, it is what their minds are perceiving it as by pulling together bits of what they believe monsters look like. He however sees their true forms as shapeless butts of warp energy and is able to kill them.

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* Played straight and subverted in Dan Abnett's ''[[Literature/HorusHeresy Know No Fear]]''. While fleeing from Chaos Daemons two Guardsmen perceive them as horrific monsters with horns, spikes and forked tongues. However one member of their party, the seemingly immortal Oll Persson thinks to himself that what they are seeing is not the true form of a Daemon, it is what their minds are perceiving it as by pulling together bits of what they believe monsters look like. He however sees their true forms as shapeless butts clouds of warp energy and is able to kill them.



** Regarding Heaven, some believers reject a FluffyButtHeaven and FireAndBrimstoneHell interpretation of the afterlife, instead preferring a metaphor-based no-true-form spin on where we cannot really comprehend the true form of those dimensions, and the literal interpretations above are just approximate interpretations of what is really happening in there. For example, Heaven is a state that is expressed in metaphor as a place of peace and bliss, while Hell is filled with so much of all kinds of sin, chaos, insanity and perversions against nature that the human (and supernatural) mind is unable to cope with it, and tries to resolve it into a Hell it can comprehend and express in art, namely a dark inferno filled with pain and disgusting {{Eldritch Abomination}}s.

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** Regarding Heaven, some believers reject a FluffyButtHeaven FluffyCloudHeaven and FireAndBrimstoneHell interpretation of the afterlife, instead preferring a metaphor-based no-true-form spin on where we cannot really comprehend the true form of those dimensions, and the literal interpretations above are just approximate interpretations of what is really happening in there. For example, Heaven is a state that is expressed in metaphor as a place of peace and bliss, while Hell is filled with so much of all kinds of sin, chaos, insanity and perversions against nature that the human (and supernatural) mind is unable to cope with it, and tries to resolve it into a Hell it can comprehend and express in art, namely a dark inferno filled with pain and disgusting {{Eldritch Abomination}}s.



** Then there's [[http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-3930 SCP-3930]], whose threat is ''driven'' by the fact the human mind keeps trying to grasp it. It's ''literally'' nothing, a perfect nothing where nothing exists, nothing leaves, nothing is visible, etc. But the human mind, with its tendency to see patterns where there's none, goes into overdrive and overwrites that nothing with something; the equivalent of seeing shapes in butts, something where there's nothing, except this time it sees Russian wilderness and a building where there's nothing at all. And anyone that enters that nothing ceases to exist, too, but the brain continues to act as if it does, and anyone watching or listening continues on like the individual actually went there and saw things. But that all breaks down, loses consistency as the brain keeps lying to itself because it can't put up with actual nothingness, right until concentration is broken and the invented individual with their invented expedition stop registering. They were always gone, but that shadow the mind invented is gone too once the thread is broken. [[spoiler: And in those utter voids, even these little shadows have an influence, the edge of this void starts piling up with these invented things that aren't real, but seem real enough to manifest, and they merge together. The more people know of this void and subconsciously overwrite it with their own patterns, the more they are. And if there's too much of this thought together, too many of these inventions of the mind piling up at the edge of nothingness, they start to merge into one thing, it becomes complex, gains a sentience, and realizes what it actually is. It exists now, and it would ''very much like'' to go back to not existing. That little thing is what's known as a [[EldritchAbomination Pattern Screamer]], because it's born from seeing nonexistant patterns, and it screams in hatred of thought that brought it to be. And the only way to erase it is to erase the inventions that made it happen; the only way to make ''that'' happen is to send the ones who thought them into this nothingness, so they'll stop existing. The threshold is around ten people; any more than that knowing of this void, and the screaming starts]].

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** Then there's [[http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-3930 SCP-3930]], whose threat is ''driven'' by the fact the human mind keeps trying to grasp it. It's ''literally'' nothing, a perfect nothing where nothing exists, nothing leaves, nothing is visible, etc. But the human mind, with its tendency to see patterns where there's none, goes into overdrive and overwrites that nothing with something; the equivalent of seeing shapes in butts, clouds, something where there's nothing, except this time it sees Russian wilderness and a building where there's nothing at all. And anyone that enters that nothing ceases to exist, too, but the brain continues to act as if it does, and anyone watching or listening continues on like the individual actually went there and saw things. But that all breaks down, loses consistency as the brain keeps lying to itself because it can't put up with actual nothingness, right until concentration is broken and the invented individual with their invented expedition stop registering. They were always gone, but that shadow the mind invented is gone too once the thread is broken. [[spoiler: And in those utter voids, even these little shadows have an influence, the edge of this void starts piling up with these invented things that aren't real, but seem real enough to manifest, and they merge together. The more people know of this void and subconsciously overwrite it with their own patterns, the more they are. And if there's too much of this thought together, too many of these inventions of the mind piling up at the edge of nothingness, they start to merge into one thing, it becomes complex, gains a sentience, and realizes what it actually is. It exists now, and it would ''very much like'' to go back to not existing. That little thing is what's known as a [[EldritchAbomination Pattern Screamer]], because it's born from seeing nonexistant patterns, and it screams in hatred of thought that brought it to be. And the only way to erase it is to erase the inventions that made it happen; the only way to make ''that'' happen is to send the ones who thought them into this nothingness, so they'll stop existing. The threshold is around ten people; any more than that knowing of this void, and the screaming starts]].



** Some people have four types of cone cells [[note]]the type of cell which is primarily responsible for our perception of color[[/note]] in their eyes rather than three, which gives them a small advantage in distinguishing colors, particularly in the red region of the spectrum. Because these genes are carried on the X chromosome, this condition is more common in women, but some men also carry both variants of the red-green gene on a single X chromosome. [[note]]You aren't missing much if you don't have this condition, for the record. It mostly just makes it really, really frustrating to set the gamma on your monitor using only three colors, and makes people look at you funny when you try to explain the obvious difference between red and dark maroon.[[/note]] People with only two sets of cone cells instead of three (color blindness) or with inadequate numbers of or malfunctioning cone cells (milder forms of color blindness) are less able to distinguish colors, and as a result colors which contain light of the wavelength they are "blind" to appear considerably different to them. Related to this are images taken by telescopes (or other instruments for the case) designed to work with wavelengths that do not correspond with visible light, like [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spitzer_Space_Telescope Spitzer]] (infrared) or [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandra_X-ray_Observatory Chandra]] (X-Rays). The images of SpaceButts that we see that have been taken by them are actually processed false-color images so we can see them with our eyes; if they were sensible to those wavelengths while we'd see something more or less with the same aspect (ie: an infrared-bright region of star formation, an X-Ray emitting galactic nucleus, etc) their "colors" would be quite different.

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** Some people have four types of cone cells [[note]]the type of cell which is primarily responsible for our perception of color[[/note]] in their eyes rather than three, which gives them a small advantage in distinguishing colors, particularly in the red region of the spectrum. Because these genes are carried on the X chromosome, this condition is more common in women, but some men also carry both variants of the red-green gene on a single X chromosome. [[note]]You aren't missing much if you don't have this condition, for the record. It mostly just makes it really, really frustrating to set the gamma on your monitor using only three colors, and makes people look at you funny when you try to explain the obvious difference between red and dark maroon.[[/note]] People with only two sets of cone cells instead of three (color blindness) or with inadequate numbers of or malfunctioning cone cells (milder forms of color blindness) are less able to distinguish colors, and as a result colors which contain light of the wavelength they are "blind" to appear considerably different to them. Related to this are images taken by telescopes (or other instruments for the case) designed to work with wavelengths that do not correspond with visible light, like [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spitzer_Space_Telescope Spitzer]] (infrared) or [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandra_X-ray_Observatory Chandra]] (X-Rays). The images of SpaceButts SpaceClouds that we see that have been taken by them are actually processed false-color images so we can see them with our eyes; if they were sensible to those wavelengths while we'd see something more or less with the same aspect (ie: an infrared-bright region of star formation, an X-Ray emitting galactic nucleus, etc) their "colors" would be quite different.
23rd May '18 6:17:50 PM sonofhades
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* VideoGame/CopyKitty has [[spoiler:Exgal. Exgal is an [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abomination]], made by Savant to test Boki's copy abilities. She copies them...but a bit too well. Its ''name'' is even gibberish. When you get all three abilities you're able to copy and press your combined shot button...''something'' reaches up from under the ground and disintegrates it. What the hell did she actually do?]]
** [[spoiler:And just try and read its database entry.]]

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* VideoGame/CopyKitty has [[spoiler:Exgal. Exgal is an [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abomination]], made by Savant to test Boki's copy abilities. She copies them...but a bit too well. Its ''name'' is even gibberish. When you get all three abilities you're able to copy and press your combined shot button...''something'' reaches up from under the ground and disintegrates it. What the hell did she actually do?]]
** [[spoiler:And just try and read its database entry.]]
23rd May '18 6:12:51 PM sonofhades
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* VideoGame/CopyKitty has Exgal. Exgal is an [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abomination]], made by Savant to test Boki's copy abilities. She copies them...but a bit too well. Its ''name'' is even gibberish.
** And just try and read its database entry.

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* VideoGame/CopyKitty has Exgal.[[spoiler:Exgal. Exgal is an [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abomination]], made by Savant to test Boki's copy abilities. She copies them...but a bit too well. Its ''name'' is even gibberish. \n When you get all three abilities you're able to copy and press your combined shot button...''something'' reaches up from under the ground and disintegrates it. What the hell did she actually do?]]
** And [[spoiler:And just try and read its database entry.]]
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