History Main / YouCanNotKillAnIdea

28th Jul '16 1:10:43 AM dRoy
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* Sometimes ''not'' Truth in Television. Examples of lost ideas like Roman cement, GreekFire, ancient stoneworking, literacy, etc. can be lost if everyone who has that idea is dead or they can't get the materials or not enough people can get together to operate the machinery, etc. On the other hand, while the specific recipes for Roman Cement and GreekFire were lost, the ''idea'' of cement and fire weapons survived until the world re-invented the concepts (modern cement and Napalm); sometimes, even when the original form of the idea disappears from history forever, it will be re-invented later on. There has even a specific type of red glass, typically used in stained glass, that has been lost and rediscovered three times through history.
** This can happen very quickly, even in the modern era. FOGBANK might be a record. This was a classified material used in constructing [[PeaceThroughSuperiorFirepower thermonuclear warheads for Trident missiles]]. Production of FOGBANK was shut down in 1989. Just 7 years later, when the Navy needed more of the material to refurbish older warheads, it was discovered that due to poor record-keeping the manufacturing process had been completely lost. It took many years and millions of dollars to recreate FOGBANK - it turned out an undocumented impurity in the raw materials used to create it was responsible for some of its important properties.
16th Jul '16 9:48:45 AM AdamIsI
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* There were several sects of early Christians that are only known about by official church writings condemning them. In some cases we only have the names and there must have been others where even that hasn't survived. Of course since we don't know what their ideas were it is impossible to say whether those ideas were killed, absorbed by the Catholic Church or recycled by better known groups.

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* There were several sects of early Christians that are only known about by official church writings condemning them. In some cases we only have the names and there must have been others where even that hasn't survived. Of course since we don't know what their ideas were it is impossible to say whether those ideas were killed, absorbed by the Catholic Church or recycled by better known groups. (That's a red herring, as many of those ideas would have had to also have been "absorbed" by the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Assyrian Church of the East, and the Oriental Orthodox Church)
5th Jul '16 5:43:32 AM LadyJaneGrey
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-->'''Illithid:''' I don't care…" he spat out. No matter how many of us you pigs kill… ''(draws a knife)'' …''[[DiscussedTrope you can't kill an idea!]]''

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-->'''Illithid:''' I don't care…" he spat out. care… No matter how many of us you pigs kill… ''(draws a knife)'' …''[[DiscussedTrope you can't kill an idea!]]''
3rd Jul '16 5:34:52 AM LadyJaneGrey
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* Evil example done in the prologue to ''Fanfic/ShadowchasersConspiracy''; in a flashback set in 1945 during the siege of Berlin, an American Chaser named Anderson Steading and two others have cornered a Nazi officer who is, in reality, [[HumanoidAbomination an illithid.]]
-->'''Steading:''' I'm not warning you again. As of this moment, I'm no more impressed by the title of 'Fuhrer' than I am of the powerless weakling an illithid is when it can't use its psychic powers. Now put your slimy hands up or I swear I'll send you to Hell to meet him.
-->'''Illithid:''' I don't care…" he spat out. No matter how many of us you pigs kill… ''(draws a knife)'' …''[[DiscussedTrope you can't kill an idea!]]''
-->''[[SuicideByCop (Lunges, but Steading and his men open fire, killing him.)]]''
-->'''Steading:''' Maybe... [[PostMortemOneLiner But an idea can kill you…]]
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2nd Jul '16 8:44:03 PM MasterofGalaxies4628
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* This trope is the reason behind {{Thoughtcrime}} policies: because an idea resides in the mind of the individual, it can only be quelled if they themselves suppress it.
31st May '16 4:41:23 AM Doug86
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* {{Plato}} was a pioneer of this trope. His philosophizing posited 'forms' existing independently of the real world, i.e. every chair may look different, but we recognize them as 'a chair' because they all reflect form of the eternal chair. Hence, mankind will never forget how to make chairs because the idea exists separately from any one man. Things like 'justice', 'virtue', and 'goodness' were also forms. In his 'Republic', the leaders communed with 'the Form of the Good' and embodied it completely.

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* {{Plato}} Creator/{{Plato}} was a pioneer of this trope. His philosophizing posited 'forms' existing independently of the real world, i.e. every chair may look different, but we recognize them as 'a chair' because they all reflect form of the eternal chair. Hence, mankind will never forget how to make chairs because the idea exists separately from any one man. Things like 'justice', 'virtue', and 'goodness' were also forms. In his 'Republic', the leaders communed with 'the Form of the Good' and embodied it completely.
28th May '16 2:52:00 AM Morgenthaler
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* In ''ItCantHappenHere'', the totalitarian government never completely stamps out people's longing for freedom and dignity. Revolts erupt across America as people take back areas from Haik's forces. Doremus in particular exemplifies this trope, continuing the struggle after having lost loved ones, endured torture and incarceration, and lived in lonely exile.

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* In ''ItCantHappenHere'', ''Literature/ItCantHappenHere'', the totalitarian government never completely stamps out people's longing for freedom and dignity. Revolts erupt across America as people take back areas from Haik's forces. Doremus in particular exemplifies this trope, continuing the struggle after having lost loved ones, endured torture and incarceration, and lived in lonely exile.
12th May '16 9:33:17 AM Morgenthaler
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** In ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedII'', one of the Codex pages reveals that Altaïr mused on this subject more than once, noting that the [[TheKnightsTemplar Templars]] waged war by seeking to win over the hearts and minds of people with ideas, rather than more conventional weapons. This made it rather difficult for the [[TheHashshashin Assassins]] to fight back... But it also makes it rather difficult for the Templars to exterminate them.

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** In ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedII'', one of the Codex pages reveals that Altaïr mused on this subject more than once, noting that the [[TheKnightsTemplar [[UsefulNotes/TheKnightsTemplar Templars]] waged war by seeking to win over the hearts and minds of people with ideas, rather than more conventional weapons. This made it rather difficult for the [[TheHashshashin Assassins]] to fight back... But it also makes it rather difficult for the Templars to exterminate them.
11th Mar '16 1:13:49 PM StFan
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* ''ComicBook/ThePhantom'': Go ahead, try to kill him. You might succeed, it won't help.

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* ''ComicBook/ThePhantom'': ''ComicStrip/ThePhantom'': Go ahead, try to kill him. You might succeed, it won't help.
11th Mar '16 1:13:14 PM StFan
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* In ''[[Film/ThreeHundred 300]]'', Xerxes angrily declares that once he defeats the Spartans, he will completely destroy them and wipe out any trace of them from history.

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* In ''[[Film/ThreeHundred 300]]'', ''ComicBook/ThreeHundred'', Xerxes angrily declares that once he defeats the Spartans, he will completely destroy them and wipe out any trace of them from history.



* ''ComicBook/ThePhantom'': Go ahead, try to kill him. You might succeed, it won't help.



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* ''ComicBook/ThePhantom'': Go ahead, try to kill him. You might succeed, it won't help.
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* ''Film/IronMan1'' uses a villainous version. It's one thing if you want your idea to spread and inspire people, but what if you want to keep your idea - like, say, the key to PoweredArmor - to yourself to avoid it being abused?
-->'''Stane:''' You think that just because you have an idea, it ''belongs'' to you?
* ''Film/IronMan2'' confirms this. Iron Man's existence made the whole world realize that PoweredArmor is a viable and powerful weapon. Tony initially downplays the problem because he's one of the only people who can actually make a reliable suit. Unfortunately, the villain of the movie is also smart enough to make his own suit, and he's got a grudge against Tony.

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''Film/IronMan1'' uses a villainous version. It's one thing if you want your idea to spread and inspire people, but what if you want to keep your idea - -- like, say, the key to PoweredArmor - -- to yourself to avoid it being abused?
-->'''Stane:''' --->'''Stane:''' You think that just because you have an idea, it ''belongs'' to you?
* ** ''Film/IronMan2'' confirms this. Iron Man's existence made the whole world realize that PoweredArmor is a viable and powerful weapon. Tony initially downplays the problem because he's one of the only people who can actually make a reliable suit. Unfortunately, the villain of the movie is also smart enough to make his own suit, and he's got a grudge against Tony.









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* This trope is one of the main reasons why many people (often Sci-Fi writers) claim that [[HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct going back in time to kill Hitler wouldn't work]], as once his sick idea was planted in the minds of the Nazis once he was killed, someone (perhaps even crazier -- or worse, more [[GeneralFailure competent]] -- than he was) would have continued on his work.




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* This trope is one of the main reasons why many people (often Sci-Fi writers) claim that [[HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct going back in time to kill Hitler wouldn't work]], as once his sick idea was planted in the minds of the Nazis once he was killed, someone (perhaps even crazier - or worse, more [[GeneralFailure competent]] - than he was) would have continued on his work.
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