History Main / YouCanNotKillAnIdea

12th May '16 9:33:17 AM Morgenthaler
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** In ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedII'', one of the Codex pages reveals that Altaïr mused on this subject more than once, noting that the [[TheKnightsTemplar Templars]] waged war by seeking to win over the hearts and minds of people with ideas, rather than more conventional weapons. This made it rather difficult for the [[TheHashshashin Assassins]] to fight back... But it also makes it rather difficult for the Templars to exterminate them.

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** In ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedII'', one of the Codex pages reveals that Altaïr mused on this subject more than once, noting that the [[TheKnightsTemplar [[UsefulNotes/TheKnightsTemplar Templars]] waged war by seeking to win over the hearts and minds of people with ideas, rather than more conventional weapons. This made it rather difficult for the [[TheHashshashin Assassins]] to fight back... But it also makes it rather difficult for the Templars to exterminate them.
11th Mar '16 1:13:49 PM StFan
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* ''ComicBook/ThePhantom'': Go ahead, try to kill him. You might succeed, it won't help.

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* ''ComicBook/ThePhantom'': ''ComicStrip/ThePhantom'': Go ahead, try to kill him. You might succeed, it won't help.
11th Mar '16 1:13:14 PM StFan
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* In ''[[Film/ThreeHundred 300]]'', Xerxes angrily declares that once he defeats the Spartans, he will completely destroy them and wipe out any trace of them from history.

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* In ''[[Film/ThreeHundred 300]]'', ''ComicBook/ThreeHundred'', Xerxes angrily declares that once he defeats the Spartans, he will completely destroy them and wipe out any trace of them from history.



* ''ComicBook/ThePhantom'': Go ahead, try to kill him. You might succeed, it won't help.



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* ''ComicBook/ThePhantom'': Go ahead, try to kill him. You might succeed, it won't help.
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* ''Film/IronMan1'' uses a villainous version. It's one thing if you want your idea to spread and inspire people, but what if you want to keep your idea - like, say, the key to PoweredArmor - to yourself to avoid it being abused?
-->'''Stane:''' You think that just because you have an idea, it ''belongs'' to you?
* ''Film/IronMan2'' confirms this. Iron Man's existence made the whole world realize that PoweredArmor is a viable and powerful weapon. Tony initially downplays the problem because he's one of the only people who can actually make a reliable suit. Unfortunately, the villain of the movie is also smart enough to make his own suit, and he's got a grudge against Tony.

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* ''Film/IronMan'':
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''Film/IronMan1'' uses a villainous version. It's one thing if you want your idea to spread and inspire people, but what if you want to keep your idea - -- like, say, the key to PoweredArmor - -- to yourself to avoid it being abused?
-->'''Stane:''' --->'''Stane:''' You think that just because you have an idea, it ''belongs'' to you?
* ** ''Film/IronMan2'' confirms this. Iron Man's existence made the whole world realize that PoweredArmor is a viable and powerful weapon. Tony initially downplays the problem because he's one of the only people who can actually make a reliable suit. Unfortunately, the villain of the movie is also smart enough to make his own suit, and he's got a grudge against Tony.









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* This trope is one of the main reasons why many people (often Sci-Fi writers) claim that [[HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct going back in time to kill Hitler wouldn't work]], as once his sick idea was planted in the minds of the Nazis once he was killed, someone (perhaps even crazier -- or worse, more [[GeneralFailure competent]] -- than he was) would have continued on his work.




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* This trope is one of the main reasons why many people (often Sci-Fi writers) claim that [[HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct going back in time to kill Hitler wouldn't work]], as once his sick idea was planted in the minds of the Nazis once he was killed, someone (perhaps even crazier - or worse, more [[GeneralFailure competent]] - than he was) would have continued on his work.
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3rd Mar '16 4:44:49 PM Irrwisch
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*German folk song ''Die Gedanken sind frei'' - (''Thoughts are free'') is all about this. Sophie Scholl, a member of the [[LaResistance White Rose]], famously played the song on her flute outside the walls of Ulm prison in 1942, where her father Robert had been detained for calling Hitler ''a scourge of God''.
24th Feb '16 7:48:05 PM Discar
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-->"Did you think to kill me? There's no flesh or blood within this cloak to kill. There's only an idea. Ideas are bulletproof."
* In ''[[Film/ThreeHundred 300]]'', Xerxes angrily declares that once he defeats the Spartans, he will completely destroy them and wipe out any trace of them from history. Leonidas coolly responds:
-->"The world will know that free men stood against a tyrant, that few stood against many and, before this battle is over, that even a god-king can bleed." (The ironic part is that, if Xerxes had followed through on his promised plans, the world ''wouldn't'' know of the Spartans' last stand.)

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-->"Did -->'''V:''' Did you think to kill me? There's no flesh or blood within this cloak to kill. There's only an idea. Ideas are bulletproof."
bulletproof.
* In ''[[Film/ThreeHundred 300]]'', Xerxes angrily declares that once he defeats the Spartans, he will completely destroy them and wipe out any trace of them from history. Leonidas coolly responds:
-->"The
history.
-->'''Leonidas:''' The
world will know that free men stood against a tyrant, that few stood against many and, before this battle is over, that even a god-king can bleed." (The ironic part is that, if Xerxes had followed through on his promised plans, the world ''wouldn't'' know of the Spartans' last stand.)



-->'''Eligor''': You cannot kill an idea!
-->'''Santyaga''': Yes. We prefer to exterminate those, who carry them.*stabs him*

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-->'''Eligor''': You cannot kill an idea!
-->'''Santyaga''':
idea!\\
'''Santyaga''':
Yes. We prefer to exterminate those, those who carry them.*stabs him*them. ''[stabs him]''



* ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'', "Rightful Heir": Chancellor Gowron talks about the symbolic effect of the return of the Klingon GodEmperor.
-->"Kahless has been dead for a thousand years; but the idea of Kahless is still alive. Have you ever fought an idea, Picard? It has no weapon to destroy, no body to kill."

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* ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'', ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'':
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"Rightful Heir": Chancellor Gowron talks about the symbolic effect of the return of the Klingon GodEmperor.
-->"Kahless --->'''Gowron:''' Kahless has been dead for a thousand years; but the idea of Kahless is still alive. Have you ever fought an idea, Picard? It has no weapon to destroy, no body to kill."



-->"You can deny me all you want but you can't deny Ben Sisko He exists! That future, that space station, all those people they exist in here! In my mind. I created it. And everyone of you knew it, you read it. It's here. Do you hear what I'm telling you? You can pulp a story but you cannot destroy an idea, don't you understand, that's ancient knowledge, you cannot destroy an idea. That future I created it, and it's real! Don't you understand? It is real. I created it. And it's real! It's real!"
* In the ''Series/{{Sherlock}}'' episode, "[[Recap/SherlockS02E03TheReichenbachFall The Reichenbach Fall]]", Donovan and Anderson manage to [[spoiler:sow the seeds of doubt regarding Sherlock's authenticity as a (relatively) aboveboard detective]]. When Lestrade [[spoiler:comes to warn Sherlock of his impending arrest]]:
-->'''Sherlock:''' After all, you can't kill an idea, can you? Not once it's made a home... ''(Taps Lestrade's forehead)'' There.

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-->"You -->'''Sisko:''' You can deny me all you want but you can't deny Ben Sisko He exists! That future, that space station, all those people they exist in here! In my mind. I created it. And everyone of you knew it, you read it. It's here. Do you hear what I'm telling you? You can pulp a story but you cannot destroy an idea, don't you understand, that's ancient knowledge, you cannot destroy an idea. That future I created it, and it's real! Don't you understand? It is real. I created it. And it's real! It's real!"
real!
* ''Series/{{Sherlock}}'':
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In the ''Series/{{Sherlock}}'' episode, "[[Recap/SherlockS02E03TheReichenbachFall The Reichenbach Fall]]", Donovan and Anderson manage to [[spoiler:sow the seeds of doubt regarding Sherlock's authenticity as a (relatively) aboveboard detective]]. When Lestrade [[spoiler:comes to warn Sherlock of his impending arrest]]:
-->'''Sherlock:''' --->'''Sherlock:''' After all, you can't kill an idea, can you? Not once it's made a home... ''(Taps Lestrade's forehead)'' There.



* In ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedII'', one of the Codex pages reveals that Altaïr mused on this subject more than once, noting that the [[TheKnightsTemplar Templars]] waged war by seeking to win over the hearts and minds of people with ideas, rather than more conventional weapons. This made it rather difficult for the [[TheHashshashin Assassins]] to fight back... But it also makes it rather difficult for the Templars to exterminate them.
-->'''Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad''' ''...how does one wage war against a concept? It is the perfect weapon. It lacks a physical form yet can alter the world around us in numerous, often violent ways. You cannot kill a creed. Even if you kill all of its adherents, destroy all of its writings these are a reprieve at best. Some one, some day, will rediscover it. Reinvent it. I believe that even we, the Assassins, have simply re-discovered an Order that predates the Old Man himself...''

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* ''Franchise/AssassinsCreed'':
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In ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedII'', one of the Codex pages reveals that Altaïr mused on this subject more than once, noting that the [[TheKnightsTemplar Templars]] waged war by seeking to win over the hearts and minds of people with ideas, rather than more conventional weapons. This made it rather difficult for the [[TheHashshashin Assassins]] to fight back... But it also makes it rather difficult for the Templars to exterminate them.
-->'''Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad''' ''...--->'''Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad''' ...how does one wage war against a concept? It is the perfect weapon. It lacks a physical form yet can alter the world around us in numerous, often violent ways. You cannot kill a creed. Even if you kill all of its adherents, destroy all of its writings these are a reprieve at best. Some one, some day, will rediscover it. Reinvent it. I believe that even we, the Assassins, have simply re-discovered an Order that predates the Old Man himself...''



-->''Even when your kind appears to triumph, still, we rise again. And, do you know why? It is because the Order is born of a '''realization.''' We require no '''creed!''' No indoctrination by desperate old men. All we need is that the world be '''as it is.''' And this is why the Templars will never be destroyed!''
* Invoked in ''VideoGame/DeusEx'' when the terrorist leader says 'You can't fight ideas with bullets'. A [[CentralTheme running theme]] throughout the game.
** "A single artist, a single general, a single hero or a single villain may all die, but it is impossible to kill a people, a nation, an idea -- except when that idea has grown weak and is overpowered by one that is stronger." --The Doctrine of the Mighty

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-->''Even --->'''Haytham:''' Even when your kind appears to triumph, still, we rise again. And, do you know why? It is because the Order is born of a '''realization.''' ''realization.'' We require no '''creed!''' ''creed!'' No indoctrination by desperate old men. All we need is that the world be '''as ''as it is.''' '' And this is why the Templars will never be destroyed!''
destroyed!
* Invoked in ''VideoGame/DeusEx'' when the terrorist leader says 'You can't fight ideas with bullets'. A [[CentralTheme running theme]] throughout the game.
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game. "A single artist, a single general, a single hero or a single villain may all die, but it is impossible to kill a people, a nation, an idea -- except when that idea has grown weak and is overpowered by one that is stronger." --The Doctrine of the Mighty
21st Feb '16 11:15:49 AM Allexan
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'''Eligor''': You cannot kill an idea!
'''Santyaga''': Yes. We prefer to exterminate those, who carry them.*stabs him*

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'''Eligor''': -->'''Eligor''': You cannot kill an idea!
'''Santyaga''': -->'''Santyaga''': Yes. We prefer to exterminate those, who carry them.*stabs him*
21st Feb '16 11:15:05 AM Allexan
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* Invoked in "Literature/SecretCity":
'''Eligor''': You cannot kill an idea!
'''Santyaga''': Yes. We prefer to exterminate those, who carry them.*stabs him*
17th Jan '16 7:57:34 PM Discar
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** [[spoiler:The spren who were bonded to the old Knights Radiant were all killed during the Recreance, when all the knights broke their oaths at once. Since the spen were also their [[SoulCuttingBlade Shardblades]], they were locked in that form when they died, and the kingdoms of the world have been using the corpses of spren as the most dangerous and valuable objects for millennia. A non-Radiant can bond with a Blade, giving the spren a simulacrum of life for a moment (enough to be [[CallToHand summoned and dismissed at will]]), but no more. Truly bringing them back to life would require their bearer to speak the ancient oaths and hold to them]].

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** [[spoiler:The spren who were bonded to the old Knights Radiant were all killed during the Recreance, when all the knights broke their oaths at once. Since the spen were also their [[SoulCuttingBlade Shardblades]], they were locked in that form when they died, and the kingdoms of the world have been using the corpses of spren as the most dangerous and valuable objects for millennia. A non-Radiant can bond with a Blade, giving the spren a simulacrum of life for a moment (enough to be [[CallToHand [[SummonToHand summoned and dismissed at will]]), but no more. Truly bringing them back to life would require their bearer to speak the ancient oaths and hold to them]].
17th Jan '16 7:47:55 PM Discar
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* Averted in ''Literature/TheStormlightArchive'', where humans can, and have, killed thousands of ideas. In fact, the bodies of dead ideas are probably the single most valuable commodity in that world.
** Also, the BigBad's plan consists mostly of seeking out the [[PiecesOfGod Shards of Adonalsium]] and killing them.

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* Averted in ''Literature/TheStormlightArchive'', where humans can, ''Literature/TheStormlightArchive'':
** Spren are living ideas. The more common ones are things like wind
and have, rot and anger, but more powerful and intelligent ones are spirits of honor and lies and law. Normally, killing any of these is essentially impossible, but there is one way to kill them on an individual level: When they bond with a human (which grants that person special powers), the spren gains the ability to maintain their sentience in the Physical Realm, but they also become vulnerable. If the human does not hold to their oaths (the precise oath varies depending on the spren), the spren will weaken and eventually lose their sentience. Actively breaking their oaths will actually kill the spren. They can be brought back if the human re-swears their oaths, but it is very difficult.
** [[spoiler:The spren who were bonded to the old Knights Radiant were all
killed thousands of ideas. In fact, during the bodies of dead ideas are probably Recreance, when all the single knights broke their oaths at once. Since the spen were also their [[SoulCuttingBlade Shardblades]], they were locked in that form when they died, and the kingdoms of the world have been using the corpses of spren as the most dangerous and valuable commodity in that world.
** Also,
objects for millennia. A non-Radiant can bond with a Blade, giving the BigBad's plan consists mostly spren a simulacrum of seeking out life for a moment (enough to be [[CallToHand summoned and dismissed at will]]), but no more. Truly bringing them back to life would require their bearer to speak the [[PiecesOfGod Shards of Adonalsium]] ancient oaths and killing them.hold to them]].
10th Jan '16 1:18:03 PM Prfnoff
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'''Robert''' ''(as men sing "Stouthearted Men" offstage)'': All right, Ribaud, you have won, but long after my amusing execution something will live after me. Listen! You hear that--that song, that spriti will destroy you and your king, and all the cruelty you stand for!

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'''Robert''' ''(as men sing "Stouthearted Men" offstage)'': All right, Ribaud, you have won, but long after my amusing execution something will live after me. Listen! You hear that--that song, that spriti spirit will destroy you and your king, and all the cruelty you stand for!
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