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20th Sep '17 12:53:14 AM ImpudentInfidel
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** Infinity itself is difficult for most people to understand, and also has very strange consequences, as two infinite quantities are not necessarily equal, and some infinities are, effectively, bigger than others. Related to this is infinitesimal, which is a something that can only be described as a value that is infinitely small, but still reasonably significant. It's probably first heard when taking a physics class or learning about integrals. There are also an infinite number of numbers between 0 and 1, or indeed, between any two values.

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** Infinity itself is difficult for most people to understand, and also has very strange consequences, as two infinite quantities are not necessarily equal, and some infinities are, effectively, bigger than others.others[[note]]For example there are an infinite number of counting numbers and an infinite number of even counting numbers, but the second set is obviously smaller [[/note]]. Related to this is infinitesimal, which is a something that can only be described as a value that is infinitely small, but still reasonably significant. It's probably first heard when taking a physics class or learning about integrals. There are also an infinite number of numbers between 0 and 1, or indeed, between any two values.
20th Sep '17 12:25:09 AM ImpudentInfidel
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***In some depictions his form and even his words vary with the observer. To his psycher-immune bodyguards however he [[spoiler: is just a man.]]
17th Sep '17 8:24:56 AM Morgenthaler
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** According to Zachariah, his true form has 6 wings and 4 faces, one of which is a lion. This is actually in line with how Literature/TheBible describes angels.

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** According to Zachariah, in response to Dean mocking him for still looking like a bald, middle-aged man when they run into him in Heaven, his true form has 6 wings and 4 faces, one of which is a lion. This is actually in line with how Literature/TheBible describes angels.angels.
-->'''Zachariah:''' You see ''this'' because you're... limited.
12th Sep '17 7:21:07 PM appealus
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** Happens AGAIN in the Lovecraft-inspired ''Crouch End'', where the woman telling the story to the police recounts how her husband saw ''something'' in a pit in Crouch End, she was only able to glance it but he saw the whole thing, and his mind immediatly blanked it out and caused him to regress mentally.

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** Happens AGAIN in the Lovecraft-inspired ''Crouch End'', where the woman telling the story to the police recounts how her husband saw ''something'' in a pit in Crouch End, she was only able to glance it but he saw the whole thing, and his mind immediatly immediately blanked it out and caused him to regress mentally.
10th Sep '17 6:51:16 PM GrammarNavi
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** The Alara block gives us the [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=188962 Nemesis of Rea-]] [[{{Candlejack}} THE END]].

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** The Alara block gives us the [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=188962 Nemesis of Rea-]] [[{{Candlejack}} [[JustForFun/CandleJack THE END]].
5th Sep '17 9:57:20 PM KillerClowns
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* An unusual and particularly dark case for the TrueFinalBoss of ''VideoGame/TheBindingOfIsaac: Afterbirth+''. Isaac cannot grasp the true form of [[spoiler:Delirium]], but not for the reasons usual for an {{Eldritch Abomination}}. No, it's because [[spoiler:Delirium is a [[WorldOfSymbolism symbolic representation]] of Isaac's mind shutting down on the threshold of death; Isacc cannot grasp the true form because there's almost nothing left of ''Isaac'' to do the grasping]].
28th Aug '17 10:25:02 PM Theriocephalus
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* ''WebOriginal/OrionsArm'' takes a slightly different approach. An intelligence of a lower toposophic ''cannot'' understand a higher intelligence. Humans are considered S0 intelligences ([[PunyHumans the lowest level of sapient intelligence]]), and cannot comprehend the nature or thoughts of a S1 intelligence (Basic Transapient). However, a S1 is likewise unable to comprehend a S2, and so forth. The highest intelligences are the Greater Archailects (S6), which exist physically as multiple planet-sized objects networked together, sometimes at least partially in alternate universes of their own creation. It's said that an archailect's ''individual thoughts'' are themselves sentient entities, whatever that means.
** Actually, S6 is the highest level that baseline humans ("S0s") are aware of. Given that an S6 is effectively a vast and all-powerful interstellar civilisation in itself, an S7 would be... perhaps literally incomprehensible to humans.
* A good many Wiki/{{SCP|Foundation}}s are likely to qualify, although most are written as mundane things with strange properties, rather than strange things appearing as mundane things.
** The most prominent of these would probably be [[http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-055 SCP-055]], which is a... thing. Anybody who sees it will completely forget about it within a few minutes. Anybody who hears or sees secondhand details, including picture and video, about it will also forget about those within a few minutes. The object is classified as Keter (most dangerous) simply because the Foundation ''doesn't know'' if it's dangerous, specifically mentioning that it could have killed hundreds of personnel in the process of getting it and they wouldn't remember any of it. People ''can'' remember what it isn't, however, and so far the Foundation has determined that SCP-055 is not spherical.
*** [[http://www.scp-wiki.net/revenants This story]] dials the horror of such a... thing that isn't spherical up to eleven.

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* ''WebOriginal/OrionsArm'' takes a slightly different approach. An intelligence of a lower toposophic ''cannot'' understand a higher intelligence. Humans are considered S0 intelligences ([[PunyHumans the lowest level of sapient intelligence]]), and cannot comprehend the nature or thoughts of a S1 intelligence (Basic Transapient). However, a S1 is likewise unable to comprehend a S2, the thoughts of an S2 entity, and so forth. The highest intelligences (or at least the highest ''known'') are the Greater Archailects (S6), which exist physically as multiple planet-sized objects networked together, sometimes at least partially in alternate universes of their own creation. It's said that an archailect's ''individual thoughts'' are themselves sentient entities, whatever that means.
** Actually, S6 is the highest level that baseline humans ("S0s") are aware of.
means. Given that an S6 is effectively a vast and all-powerful interstellar civilisation in itself, an S7 (if such beings exist) would be... perhaps literally incomprehensible to humans.
* A good many Wiki/{{SCP|Foundation}}s are likely to qualify, although most are written as mundane things with strange properties, rather than strange things appearing as mundane things.
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things. The most prominent of these would probably be [[http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-055 SCP-055]], which is a... thing. Anybody who sees it will completely forget about it within a few minutes. Anybody who hears or sees secondhand details, including picture and video, about it will also forget about those within a few minutes. The object is classified as Keter (most dangerous) simply because the Foundation ''doesn't know'' if it's dangerous, specifically mentioning that it could have killed hundreds of personnel in the process of getting it and they wouldn't remember any of it. People ''can'' remember what it isn't, however, and so far the Foundation has determined that SCP-055 is not spherical.
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spherical. [[http://www.scp-wiki.net/revenants This story]] dials the horror of such a... thing that isn't spherical up to eleven.
24th Aug '17 4:37:16 PM nighttrainfm
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** This is the whole plot of ''FromABuick8'', with the Buick not really being a car, or even anything remotely resembling one; it simply looks like one to our senses. It might be described as a gate to another dimension, but it probably isn't that either, not fully or exactly. One of the main characters actually compares it to the breathing apparatus on a scuba tank.

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** This is the whole plot of ''FromABuick8'', ''Literature/FromABuick8'', with the Buick not really being a car, or even anything remotely resembling one; it simply looks like one to our senses. It might be described as a gate to another dimension, but it probably isn't that either, not fully or exactly. One of the main characters actually compares it to the breathing apparatus on a scuba tank.
7th Aug '17 12:22:13 PM BeerBaron
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* WordOfGod says that [[http://www.imperial-library.info/content/cosmology this holds true]] for the [[AlienSky night sky]] in ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls''. Mortals can't comprehend an infinite plane of existence enclosed in another infinite plane of existence which itself is enclosed in another infinite plane of existence so it all appears as a solar system.
** This also applies to the eponymous scrolls, depending on the person. If the person has no idea it's an Elder Scroll, they can look at it without ill effect and all they think it is a map of the stars. If someone knows it's an Elder Scroll, then depending on how well they prepare their mind can mean anything from instant blindness to [[GoMadFromTheRevelation going insane]]. Even those that have the most extensive amount of training eventually go blind. As for the player character, what little you can see of the one you find before it blinds you for a few seconds is a set of strange runes and writing, when they're supposed to hold the world's entire history. Including its ''future''.
*** Your dragon soul is also the only thing preventing you from going blind or insane from reading the Scrolls without training, since it exists on the same cosmic plane as them, and both are connected to time itself (since the god of dragons is also the god of time).
** More comedically, the copy of ''Boethiah's Pillow Book'' found in the third game for the Thieve's Guild is implied to be so pornographic that "No words can describe what you see. Or what you think you see."
** This is implied to happen to Daedric Princes as well, as they are actually their own plane of Oblivion, and their ingame appearances are only [[AFormYouAreComfortableWith a form mortals can understand]].

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* WordOfGod says that [[http://www.imperial-library.info/content/cosmology this holds true]] ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls''
** This is said to be the case
for the [[AlienSky series' AlienSky. The sun and stars aren't typical flaming orbs of gas, but are holes punched in reality by escaping spirits during the creation of Mundus, the mortal plane. They connect to Aetherius, the realm of magic, through which magic flows into Mundus, visible in the night sky]] in ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls''. Mortals can't comprehend an infinite plane sky as nebulae. The [[WeirdMoon two moons]] are said to be the sundered and rotting "flesh divinity" of existence enclosed in another infinite plane Lorkhan (aka [[IHaveManyNames many other names]]), the [[GodIsDead "dead" creator god]] of existence which itself is enclosed in another infinite plane Mundus. The eight planets are said to be the flesh divinity of existence so it the original eight [[OurGodsAreDifferent Aedra]], spirits who stayed and sacrificed much of their divine power/very beings to create Mundus. This all appears as a solar system.
** This also applies to
it does because it is the eponymous scrolls, best a mortal mind can do to comprehend it.
** The Daedric Princes are the spirits who did not participate in the creation of Mundus, and thus remain at full power with CompleteImmortality. They are really a form of EldritchAbomination who subscribe to their own BlueAndOrangeMorality
depending on the person. If [[AnthropomorphicPersonification sphere they represent]]. When dealing with mortals, however, they often take a form that mortals are [[AFormYouAreComfortableWith more comfortable and familiar with]]. One exception is Hermaeus Mora, the person has no idea it's Daedric Prince of Knowledge (with a specialty in [[TheseAreThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow Eldritch knowledge]]). When he takes form, it tends to be as an infinite and mind-melting mass of tentacles and eyes. Within his realm of Apocrypha, his tentacles ''blot out the sky''.
** The eponymous
Elder Scroll, they Scrolls, also called "Fragments of Creation", in addition to being [[TomeOfEldritchLore Tomes of Eldritch Lore]] and TomesOfProphecyAndFate, can look at it without ill effect and all they think it is a map of the stars. If someone knows it's an Elder Scroll, then be this depending on how well the reader. If the reader is completely untrained in reading the scrolls, the scrolls appear to be a sort of star chart with indecipherable glowing glyphs printed over (and under) the map. If the reader has some knowledge of the scrolls, they prepare may be able to decipher some knowledge, but it will likely be incomplete, and the reader will be struck instantly blind. A fully trained and mentally prepared reader, such a member of the Cult of the Ancestor Moth (who tend to be the primary keepers and readers of the scrolls), can glean significant knowledge and recover their mind can mean anything from instant blindness to eyesight, but will eventually go blind after repeated readings. In all cases, including for people who merely study the nature of the scrolls and never even use them, [[GoMadFromTheRevelation going insane]]. Even those that have the most extensive amount of training eventually go blind. As for the player character, what little you can see of the one you find before it blinds you for a few seconds complete madness]] is a set frequent side effect. In ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'', the [[PlayerCharacter Dragonborn]] can attempt to read an Elder Scroll. The result is a split second view of strange runes and writing, when they're supposed to hold the world's entire history. Including its ''future''.
*** Your dragon soul
writing before temporary blindness sets in. It is also implied that that the only thing preventing you from going blind or insane from reading is that you possess the Scrolls without training, since it exists on soul of an immortal being (a [[DragonsAreDivine dragon]], in this case) and thus exist slightly outside of time, just like the same cosmic plane as them, and both are connected to time itself (since the god of dragons is also the god of time).
scroll itself.
** More comedically, the copy of ''Boethiah's ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]'' includes a comedic example with Boethiah's Pillow Book'' found in the third game for the Thieve's Guild is implied to be Book, a book so pornographic that "No words can describe what you see. Or what you think you see."
** This is implied to happen to Daedric Princes
" It features into a ThievesGuild quest where it will be used as well, as they are actually their own plane of Oblivion, and their ingame appearances are only [[AFormYouAreComfortableWith blackmail against a form mortals can understand]].local politician.
4th Aug '17 2:29:01 PM fgenzo159
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* "[[http://personaltao.com/teachings/taoism/taoism-101/ The Tao]] we can describe is not the Tao that is."

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* In UsefulNotes/{{Taoism}}, from Creator/{{Laozi}} in the ''Daodejing'' : "[[http://personaltao.com/teachings/taoism/taoism-101/ The Tao]] we can describe is not the Tao that is."
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