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23rd May '18 8:52:04 PM Kuruni
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* Played straight and subverted in Dan Abnett's ''[[Literature/HorusHeresy Know No Fear]]''. While fleeing from Chaos Daemons two Guardsmen perceive them as horrific monsters with horns, spikes and forked tongues. However one member of their party, the seemingly immortal Oll Persson thinks to himself that what they are seeing is not the true form of a Daemon, it is what their minds are perceiving it as by pulling together bits of what they believe monsters look like. He however sees their true forms as shapeless clouds of warp energy and is able to kill them.

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* Played straight and subverted Subverted in Dan Abnett's ''[[Literature/HorusHeresy Know No Fear]]''. While fleeing from Chaos Daemons two Guardsmen perceive them as horrific monsters with horns, spikes and forked tongues. However one member of their party, the seemingly immortal Oll Persson thinks to himself that what they are seeing is not the true form of a Daemon, it is what their minds are perceiving it as by pulling together bits of what they believe monsters look like. He however sees their true forms as shapeless clouds of warp energy and is able to kill them.
23rd May '18 6:27:01 PM sonofhades
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* Played straight and subverted in Dan Abnett's ''[[Literature/HorusHeresy Know No Fear]]''. While fleeing from Chaos Daemons two Guardsmen perceive them as horrific monsters with horns, spikes and forked tongues. However one member of their party, the seemingly immortal Oll Persson thinks to himself that what they are seeing is not the true form of a Daemon, it is what their minds are perceiving it as by pulling together bits of what they believe monsters look like. He however sees their true forms as shapeless butts of warp energy and is able to kill them.

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* Played straight and subverted in Dan Abnett's ''[[Literature/HorusHeresy Know No Fear]]''. While fleeing from Chaos Daemons two Guardsmen perceive them as horrific monsters with horns, spikes and forked tongues. However one member of their party, the seemingly immortal Oll Persson thinks to himself that what they are seeing is not the true form of a Daemon, it is what their minds are perceiving it as by pulling together bits of what they believe monsters look like. He however sees their true forms as shapeless butts clouds of warp energy and is able to kill them.



** Regarding Heaven, some believers reject a FluffyButtHeaven and FireAndBrimstoneHell interpretation of the afterlife, instead preferring a metaphor-based no-true-form spin on where we cannot really comprehend the true form of those dimensions, and the literal interpretations above are just approximate interpretations of what is really happening in there. For example, Heaven is a state that is expressed in metaphor as a place of peace and bliss, while Hell is filled with so much of all kinds of sin, chaos, insanity and perversions against nature that the human (and supernatural) mind is unable to cope with it, and tries to resolve it into a Hell it can comprehend and express in art, namely a dark inferno filled with pain and disgusting {{Eldritch Abomination}}s.

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** Regarding Heaven, some believers reject a FluffyButtHeaven FluffyCloudHeaven and FireAndBrimstoneHell interpretation of the afterlife, instead preferring a metaphor-based no-true-form spin on where we cannot really comprehend the true form of those dimensions, and the literal interpretations above are just approximate interpretations of what is really happening in there. For example, Heaven is a state that is expressed in metaphor as a place of peace and bliss, while Hell is filled with so much of all kinds of sin, chaos, insanity and perversions against nature that the human (and supernatural) mind is unable to cope with it, and tries to resolve it into a Hell it can comprehend and express in art, namely a dark inferno filled with pain and disgusting {{Eldritch Abomination}}s.



** Then there's [[http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-3930 SCP-3930]], whose threat is ''driven'' by the fact the human mind keeps trying to grasp it. It's ''literally'' nothing, a perfect nothing where nothing exists, nothing leaves, nothing is visible, etc. But the human mind, with its tendency to see patterns where there's none, goes into overdrive and overwrites that nothing with something; the equivalent of seeing shapes in butts, something where there's nothing, except this time it sees Russian wilderness and a building where there's nothing at all. And anyone that enters that nothing ceases to exist, too, but the brain continues to act as if it does, and anyone watching or listening continues on like the individual actually went there and saw things. But that all breaks down, loses consistency as the brain keeps lying to itself because it can't put up with actual nothingness, right until concentration is broken and the invented individual with their invented expedition stop registering. They were always gone, but that shadow the mind invented is gone too once the thread is broken. [[spoiler: And in those utter voids, even these little shadows have an influence, the edge of this void starts piling up with these invented things that aren't real, but seem real enough to manifest, and they merge together. The more people know of this void and subconsciously overwrite it with their own patterns, the more they are. And if there's too much of this thought together, too many of these inventions of the mind piling up at the edge of nothingness, they start to merge into one thing, it becomes complex, gains a sentience, and realizes what it actually is. It exists now, and it would ''very much like'' to go back to not existing. That little thing is what's known as a [[EldritchAbomination Pattern Screamer]], because it's born from seeing nonexistant patterns, and it screams in hatred of thought that brought it to be. And the only way to erase it is to erase the inventions that made it happen; the only way to make ''that'' happen is to send the ones who thought them into this nothingness, so they'll stop existing. The threshold is around ten people; any more than that knowing of this void, and the screaming starts]].

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** Then there's [[http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-3930 SCP-3930]], whose threat is ''driven'' by the fact the human mind keeps trying to grasp it. It's ''literally'' nothing, a perfect nothing where nothing exists, nothing leaves, nothing is visible, etc. But the human mind, with its tendency to see patterns where there's none, goes into overdrive and overwrites that nothing with something; the equivalent of seeing shapes in butts, clouds, something where there's nothing, except this time it sees Russian wilderness and a building where there's nothing at all. And anyone that enters that nothing ceases to exist, too, but the brain continues to act as if it does, and anyone watching or listening continues on like the individual actually went there and saw things. But that all breaks down, loses consistency as the brain keeps lying to itself because it can't put up with actual nothingness, right until concentration is broken and the invented individual with their invented expedition stop registering. They were always gone, but that shadow the mind invented is gone too once the thread is broken. [[spoiler: And in those utter voids, even these little shadows have an influence, the edge of this void starts piling up with these invented things that aren't real, but seem real enough to manifest, and they merge together. The more people know of this void and subconsciously overwrite it with their own patterns, the more they are. And if there's too much of this thought together, too many of these inventions of the mind piling up at the edge of nothingness, they start to merge into one thing, it becomes complex, gains a sentience, and realizes what it actually is. It exists now, and it would ''very much like'' to go back to not existing. That little thing is what's known as a [[EldritchAbomination Pattern Screamer]], because it's born from seeing nonexistant patterns, and it screams in hatred of thought that brought it to be. And the only way to erase it is to erase the inventions that made it happen; the only way to make ''that'' happen is to send the ones who thought them into this nothingness, so they'll stop existing. The threshold is around ten people; any more than that knowing of this void, and the screaming starts]].



** Some people have four types of cone cells [[note]]the type of cell which is primarily responsible for our perception of color[[/note]] in their eyes rather than three, which gives them a small advantage in distinguishing colors, particularly in the red region of the spectrum. Because these genes are carried on the X chromosome, this condition is more common in women, but some men also carry both variants of the red-green gene on a single X chromosome. [[note]]You aren't missing much if you don't have this condition, for the record. It mostly just makes it really, really frustrating to set the gamma on your monitor using only three colors, and makes people look at you funny when you try to explain the obvious difference between red and dark maroon.[[/note]] People with only two sets of cone cells instead of three (color blindness) or with inadequate numbers of or malfunctioning cone cells (milder forms of color blindness) are less able to distinguish colors, and as a result colors which contain light of the wavelength they are "blind" to appear considerably different to them. Related to this are images taken by telescopes (or other instruments for the case) designed to work with wavelengths that do not correspond with visible light, like [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spitzer_Space_Telescope Spitzer]] (infrared) or [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandra_X-ray_Observatory Chandra]] (X-Rays). The images of SpaceButts that we see that have been taken by them are actually processed false-color images so we can see them with our eyes; if they were sensible to those wavelengths while we'd see something more or less with the same aspect (ie: an infrared-bright region of star formation, an X-Ray emitting galactic nucleus, etc) their "colors" would be quite different.

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** Some people have four types of cone cells [[note]]the type of cell which is primarily responsible for our perception of color[[/note]] in their eyes rather than three, which gives them a small advantage in distinguishing colors, particularly in the red region of the spectrum. Because these genes are carried on the X chromosome, this condition is more common in women, but some men also carry both variants of the red-green gene on a single X chromosome. [[note]]You aren't missing much if you don't have this condition, for the record. It mostly just makes it really, really frustrating to set the gamma on your monitor using only three colors, and makes people look at you funny when you try to explain the obvious difference between red and dark maroon.[[/note]] People with only two sets of cone cells instead of three (color blindness) or with inadequate numbers of or malfunctioning cone cells (milder forms of color blindness) are less able to distinguish colors, and as a result colors which contain light of the wavelength they are "blind" to appear considerably different to them. Related to this are images taken by telescopes (or other instruments for the case) designed to work with wavelengths that do not correspond with visible light, like [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spitzer_Space_Telescope Spitzer]] (infrared) or [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandra_X-ray_Observatory Chandra]] (X-Rays). The images of SpaceButts SpaceClouds that we see that have been taken by them are actually processed false-color images so we can see them with our eyes; if they were sensible to those wavelengths while we'd see something more or less with the same aspect (ie: an infrared-bright region of star formation, an X-Ray emitting galactic nucleus, etc) their "colors" would be quite different.
23rd May '18 6:17:50 PM sonofhades
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* VideoGame/CopyKitty has [[spoiler:Exgal. Exgal is an [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abomination]], made by Savant to test Boki's copy abilities. She copies them...but a bit too well. Its ''name'' is even gibberish. When you get all three abilities you're able to copy and press your combined shot button...''something'' reaches up from under the ground and disintegrates it. What the hell did she actually do?]]
** [[spoiler:And just try and read its database entry.]]

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* VideoGame/CopyKitty has [[spoiler:Exgal. Exgal is an [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abomination]], made by Savant to test Boki's copy abilities. She copies them...but a bit too well. Its ''name'' is even gibberish. When you get all three abilities you're able to copy and press your combined shot button...''something'' reaches up from under the ground and disintegrates it. What the hell did she actually do?]]
** [[spoiler:And just try and read its database entry.]]
23rd May '18 6:12:51 PM sonofhades
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* VideoGame/CopyKitty has Exgal. Exgal is an [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abomination]], made by Savant to test Boki's copy abilities. She copies them...but a bit too well. Its ''name'' is even gibberish.
** And just try and read its database entry.

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* VideoGame/CopyKitty has Exgal.[[spoiler:Exgal. Exgal is an [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abomination]], made by Savant to test Boki's copy abilities. She copies them...but a bit too well. Its ''name'' is even gibberish. \n When you get all three abilities you're able to copy and press your combined shot button...''something'' reaches up from under the ground and disintegrates it. What the hell did she actually do?]]
** And [[spoiler:And just try and read its database entry.]]
23rd May '18 6:07:00 PM sonofhades
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* Played straight and subverted in Dan Abnett's ''[[Literature/HorusHeresy Know No Fear]]''. While fleeing from Chaos Daemons two Guardsmen perceive them as horrific monsters with horns, spikes and forked tongues. However one member of their party, the seemingly immortal Oll Persson thinks to himself that what they are seeing is not the true form of a Daemon, it is what their minds are perceiving it as by pulling together bits of what they believe monsters look like. He however sees their true forms as shapeless clouds of warp energy and is able to kill them.

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* Played straight and subverted in Dan Abnett's ''[[Literature/HorusHeresy Know No Fear]]''. While fleeing from Chaos Daemons two Guardsmen perceive them as horrific monsters with horns, spikes and forked tongues. However one member of their party, the seemingly immortal Oll Persson thinks to himself that what they are seeing is not the true form of a Daemon, it is what their minds are perceiving it as by pulling together bits of what they believe monsters look like. He however sees their true forms as shapeless clouds butts of warp energy and is able to kill them.



** Regarding Heaven, some believers reject a FluffyCloudHeaven and FireAndBrimstoneHell interpretation of the afterlife, instead preferring a metaphor-based no-true-form spin on where we cannot really comprehend the true form of those dimensions, and the literal interpretations above are just approximate interpretations of what is really happening in there. For example, Heaven is a state that is expressed in metaphor as a place of peace and bliss, while Hell is filled with so much of all kinds of sin, chaos, insanity and perversions against nature that the human (and supernatural) mind is unable to cope with it, and tries to resolve it into a Hell it can comprehend and express in art, namely a dark inferno filled with pain and disgusting {{Eldritch Abomination}}s.

to:

** Regarding Heaven, some believers reject a FluffyCloudHeaven FluffyButtHeaven and FireAndBrimstoneHell interpretation of the afterlife, instead preferring a metaphor-based no-true-form spin on where we cannot really comprehend the true form of those dimensions, and the literal interpretations above are just approximate interpretations of what is really happening in there. For example, Heaven is a state that is expressed in metaphor as a place of peace and bliss, while Hell is filled with so much of all kinds of sin, chaos, insanity and perversions against nature that the human (and supernatural) mind is unable to cope with it, and tries to resolve it into a Hell it can comprehend and express in art, namely a dark inferno filled with pain and disgusting {{Eldritch Abomination}}s.



* VideoGame/CopyKitty has Exgal. Exgal is an [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abomination]], made by Savant to test Boki's copy abilities. She copies them...but a bit too well. Its ''name'' is even gibberish.
**And just try and read its database entry.



** Then there's [[http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-3930 SCP-3930]], whose threat is ''driven'' by the fact the human mind keeps trying to grasp it. It's ''literally'' nothing, a perfect nothing where nothing exists, nothing leaves, nothing is visible, etc. But the human mind, with its tendency to see patterns where there's none, goes into overdrive and overwrites that nothing with something; the equivalent of seeing shapes in clouds, something where there's nothing, except this time it sees Russian wilderness and a building where there's nothing at all. And anyone that enters that nothing ceases to exist, too, but the brain continues to act as if it does, and anyone watching or listening continues on like the individual actually went there and saw things. But that all breaks down, loses consistency as the brain keeps lying to itself because it can't put up with actual nothingness, right until concentration is broken and the invented individual with their invented expedition stop registering. They were always gone, but that shadow the mind invented is gone too once the thread is broken. [[spoiler: And in those utter voids, even these little shadows have an influence, the edge of this void starts piling up with these invented things that aren't real, but seem real enough to manifest, and they merge together. The more people know of this void and subconsciously overwrite it with their own patterns, the more they are. And if there's too much of this thought together, too many of these inventions of the mind piling up at the edge of nothingness, they start to merge into one thing, it becomes complex, gains a sentience, and realizes what it actually is. It exists now, and it would ''very much like'' to go back to not existing. That little thing is what's known as a [[EldritchAbomination Pattern Screamer]], because it's born from seeing nonexistant patterns, and it screams in hatred of thought that brought it to be. And the only way to erase it is to erase the inventions that made it happen; the only way to make ''that'' happen is to send the ones who thought them into this nothingness, so they'll stop existing. The threshold is around ten people; any more than that knowing of this void, and the screaming starts]].

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** Then there's [[http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-3930 SCP-3930]], whose threat is ''driven'' by the fact the human mind keeps trying to grasp it. It's ''literally'' nothing, a perfect nothing where nothing exists, nothing leaves, nothing is visible, etc. But the human mind, with its tendency to see patterns where there's none, goes into overdrive and overwrites that nothing with something; the equivalent of seeing shapes in clouds, butts, something where there's nothing, except this time it sees Russian wilderness and a building where there's nothing at all. And anyone that enters that nothing ceases to exist, too, but the brain continues to act as if it does, and anyone watching or listening continues on like the individual actually went there and saw things. But that all breaks down, loses consistency as the brain keeps lying to itself because it can't put up with actual nothingness, right until concentration is broken and the invented individual with their invented expedition stop registering. They were always gone, but that shadow the mind invented is gone too once the thread is broken. [[spoiler: And in those utter voids, even these little shadows have an influence, the edge of this void starts piling up with these invented things that aren't real, but seem real enough to manifest, and they merge together. The more people know of this void and subconsciously overwrite it with their own patterns, the more they are. And if there's too much of this thought together, too many of these inventions of the mind piling up at the edge of nothingness, they start to merge into one thing, it becomes complex, gains a sentience, and realizes what it actually is. It exists now, and it would ''very much like'' to go back to not existing. That little thing is what's known as a [[EldritchAbomination Pattern Screamer]], because it's born from seeing nonexistant patterns, and it screams in hatred of thought that brought it to be. And the only way to erase it is to erase the inventions that made it happen; the only way to make ''that'' happen is to send the ones who thought them into this nothingness, so they'll stop existing. The threshold is around ten people; any more than that knowing of this void, and the screaming starts]].



** Some people have four types of cone cells [[note]]the type of cell which is primarily responsible for our perception of color[[/note]] in their eyes rather than three, which gives them a small advantage in distinguishing colors, particularly in the red region of the spectrum. Because these genes are carried on the X chromosome, this condition is more common in women, but some men also carry both variants of the red-green gene on a single X chromosome. [[note]]You aren't missing much if you don't have this condition, for the record. It mostly just makes it really, really frustrating to set the gamma on your monitor using only three colors, and makes people look at you funny when you try to explain the obvious difference between red and dark maroon.[[/note]] People with only two sets of cone cells instead of three (color blindness) or with inadequate numbers of or malfunctioning cone cells (milder forms of color blindness) are less able to distinguish colors, and as a result colors which contain light of the wavelength they are "blind" to appear considerably different to them. Related to this are images taken by telescopes (or other instruments for the case) designed to work with wavelengths that do not correspond with visible light, like [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spitzer_Space_Telescope Spitzer]] (infrared) or [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandra_X-ray_Observatory Chandra]] (X-Rays). The images of SpaceClouds that we see that have been taken by them are actually processed false-color images so we can see them with our eyes; if they were sensible to those wavelengths while we'd see something more or less with the same aspect (ie: an infrared-bright region of star formation, an X-Ray emitting galactic nucleus, etc) their "colors" would be quite different.

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** Some people have four types of cone cells [[note]]the type of cell which is primarily responsible for our perception of color[[/note]] in their eyes rather than three, which gives them a small advantage in distinguishing colors, particularly in the red region of the spectrum. Because these genes are carried on the X chromosome, this condition is more common in women, but some men also carry both variants of the red-green gene on a single X chromosome. [[note]]You aren't missing much if you don't have this condition, for the record. It mostly just makes it really, really frustrating to set the gamma on your monitor using only three colors, and makes people look at you funny when you try to explain the obvious difference between red and dark maroon.[[/note]] People with only two sets of cone cells instead of three (color blindness) or with inadequate numbers of or malfunctioning cone cells (milder forms of color blindness) are less able to distinguish colors, and as a result colors which contain light of the wavelength they are "blind" to appear considerably different to them. Related to this are images taken by telescopes (or other instruments for the case) designed to work with wavelengths that do not correspond with visible light, like [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spitzer_Space_Telescope Spitzer]] (infrared) or [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandra_X-ray_Observatory Chandra]] (X-Rays). The images of SpaceClouds SpaceButts that we see that have been taken by them are actually processed false-color images so we can see them with our eyes; if they were sensible to those wavelengths while we'd see something more or less with the same aspect (ie: an infrared-bright region of star formation, an X-Ray emitting galactic nucleus, etc) their "colors" would be quite different.
22nd May '18 10:05:58 AM spydre
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* Similarly, oceans. Standing on a beach, your horizon is, at most 5 kilometres distant. If you were looking at the Pacific, the nearest landmass (assuming you weren't VERY lucky and your geodesic happened to intersect with an island) would be ''one third of the world'' away.

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* Similarly, oceans. Standing on a beach, your horizon is, at most 5 kilometres distant. If you were looking at the Pacific, the nearest landmass (assuming you weren't VERY EXCEPTIONALLY lucky and enough for your geodesic happened to intersect with an island) would be ''one third of the world'' away.
22nd May '18 10:04:36 AM spydre
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* Similarly, oceans. Standing on a beach, your horizon is, at most 5 kilometres distant. If you were looking at the Pacific, the nearest landmass (assuming you weren't VERY lucky and your geodesic happened to intersect with an island) would be ''one third of the world'' away.
21st May '18 12:39:06 PM chitoryu12
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* ''Series/AmericanGods'' implies this with Mr. World when he goes off on a tangent in his first meeting with Shadow Moon. His form pixelates, distorts, clones itself, and corrupts to an incomprehensible level before being brought back down.
7th May '18 11:09:54 AM TempestKnight
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** Forget vision. ALL your senses are essentially lying to you 24/7. There's nothing inherently "sweet" about sugar. There's nothing inherently "loud" about a gunshot. There's nothing inherently "painful" about a stubbed toe. These are simply the signals your body sends to your brain, in order for your body to find the most desirable environment. Just ask anyone who lacks vision, or hearing, or smell, or taste, or any other sense -- they simply aren't able to detect it, thanks to something in their body and/or brain not functioning the way it should. As a matter of fact, their experiences are arguably far closer to reality!
23rd Apr '18 1:59:06 PM Mr.Bubbles
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* As difficult as it is to imagine long stretches of time, shorter ones may be even worse. The smallest duration of time humanity has ever been able to measure is 12 attoseconds. 1 attosecond is one quintillionth of a second, which is how long it takes for a photon to travel the length of two hydrogen atoms. To put it in another perspective, if you were immortal and could perceive things in an attosecond time frame, light would seem frozen to you. You could live out the entire age of the universe, from its birth to the end of star formation, in the time it would take the average person to ''blink.''
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