History Main / YokoOhNo

9th Oct '17 8:25:36 PM Dravencour
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Basically DieForOurShip, but aimed at the RealLife love interest of a celebrity or other public figure. She ([[AlwaysFemale and it almost always will be a woman]]) is a lightning rod of hatred from the fanbase, either for [[LoveMakesYouUncreative negatively affecting the quality of his work]], upsetting group dynamics, or just “stealing him away” from them.

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Basically DieForOurShip, but aimed at the RealLife love interest of a celebrity or other public figure. She ([[AlwaysFemale and it almost always will be a woman]]) she]]) is a lightning rod of hatred from the fanbase, either for [[LoveMakesYouUncreative negatively affecting the quality of his work]], upsetting group dynamics, or just “stealing him away” from them.
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4th Oct '17 1:26:18 PM CartoonQueen99
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* Former Music/{{Supertramp}} member Roger Hodgson has cited Rick Davies’ wife managing the band as one of the reasons for leaving and not participating in the reunions. Their mid-1970s producer Ken Scott [[WordOfGod mentioned in his memoirs]] that by ''Crisis? What Crisis?'', the bandmembers’ girlfriends and wives were constantly at odds with each other; he describes that the way many people are led to believe (falsely) that the Beatles’ group tensions were precipitated by Yoko Ono and Linda [=McCartney=] was actually the atmosphere Supertramp were in at the time.

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* Former Music/{{Supertramp}} member Roger Hodgson has cited Rick Davies’ wife managing the band as one of the reasons for leaving and not participating in the reunions. Their mid-1970s producer Ken Scott [[WordOfGod mentioned in his memoirs]] that by ''Crisis? What Crisis?'', the bandmembers’ bandmembers’ girlfriends and wives were constantly at odds with each other; he describes that the way many people are led to believe (falsely) that the Beatles’ group tensions were precipitated by Yoko Ono and Linda [=McCartney=] was actually the atmosphere Supertramp were in at the time.



* LetsPlay/JackSepticEye's girlfriend Signe (aka WebVideo/Wiishu) got hate when Jack announced they were moving in together, and Jack actually had to yell at his fans on Tumblr for attacking her. Even today, some people accuse her of using Jack to get subs for her own channel and leeching off his fame.

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* LetsPlay/JackSepticEye's girlfriend Signe (aka WebVideo/Wiishu) WebVideo/{{Wiishu}}) got hate when Jack announced they were moving in together, and Jack actually had to yell at his fans on Tumblr for attacking her. Even today, some people accuse her of using Jack to get subs for her own channel and leeching off his fame.
4th Oct '17 1:23:17 PM CartoonQueen99
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* LetsPlay/JackSepticEye's girlfriend Signe (aka Wiishu) got hate when Jack announced they were moving in together, and Jack actually had to yell at his fans on Tumblr for attacking her. Even today, some people accuse her of using Jack to get subs for her own channel and leeching off his fame.

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* LetsPlay/JackSepticEye's girlfriend Signe (aka Wiishu) WebVideo/Wiishu) got hate when Jack announced they were moving in together, and Jack actually had to yell at his fans on Tumblr for attacking her. Even today, some people accuse her of using Jack to get subs for her own channel and leeching off his fame.
13th Sep '17 8:30:06 PM merotoker
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* Both Creator/DitaVonTeese and Music/MarilynManson got flak from each other’s fans when they got together and later married. In addition to the usual insane “removal from the dating pool” reaction, many fans expressed concern about Von Teese [[LoveMakesYouUncreative negatively affecting Manson’s art]]. Then they broke up just as fans were getting used to it (and Von Teese’s fans were blindsided when she started dating a dashing French aristrocrat).

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* Both Creator/DitaVonTeese and Music/MarilynManson got flak from each other’s fans when they got together and later married. In addition to the usual insane “removal from the dating pool” reaction, many fans expressed concern about Von Teese [[LoveMakesYouUncreative negatively affecting Manson’s art]]. Then they broke up just as fans were getting used to it (and Von Teese’s fans were blindsided when she started dating a dashing French aristrocrat).aristocrat).



* Producer Glenn Fricker has never been through this himself, but he has seen it ruin so many promising careers it's something he warns about ''very'' often on his YouTube channel. He is very much against romantic partners being in the same band, or any romantic partner who isn't in the band hanging out at the studio during recording. He claims to have designated a specific uncomfortable spot in the corner for the LoveInterest to sit while his/her partner works in the studio. He says it works so well they leave and never return. His main examples are of girlfriends tailing their rockstar boyfriends, but he [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwuzIIPZ9A8 will gladly swap the genders around to show he's an equal-opportunity opponent here]].

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* Producer Glenn Fricker has never been through this himself, but he has seen it ruin so many promising careers it's something he warns about ''very'' often on his YouTube channel. He is very much against romantic partners being in the same band, or any romantic partner who isn't in the band hanging out at the studio during recording. He claims to have designated a specific uncomfortable spot in the corner for the LoveInterest {{Love Interest|s}} to sit while his/her partner works in the studio. He says it works so well they leave and never return. His main examples are of girlfriends tailing their rockstar boyfriends, but he [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwuzIIPZ9A8 will gladly swap the genders around to show he's an equal-opportunity opponent here]].



* Some fans of ''Series/{{House}}'' want the actors who play House and Cuddy, Creator/HughLaurie and Creator/LisaEdelstein, to [[ActorShipping hook up in real life]]. Laurie has been married to his wife since 1989 and has three children with her; when reminded of this, these fans lambast her for [[FanDumb not having any on-screen chemistry with him.]]

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* Some fans of ''Series/{{House}}'' want the actors who play House and Cuddy, Creator/HughLaurie and Creator/LisaEdelstein, to [[ActorShipping hook up in real life]]. Laurie has been married to his wife since 1989 and has three children with her; when reminded of this, these fans lambast her for [[FanDumb not having any on-screen chemistry with him.]]him]].



** When Wrestling/{{Lita}} left Wrestling/MattHardy for Wrestling/{{Edge}}, the scandal forced her to retire because she couldn't shake off the XPacHeat. After Matt Hardy became an internet laughing stock in 2011, fans switched their sympathy to Lita for how she was essentially forced out of a job.

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** When Wrestling/{{Lita}} left Wrestling/MattHardy for Wrestling/{{Edge}}, the scandal forced her to retire because she couldn't shake off the XPacHeat. After Matt Hardy became an internet Internet laughing stock in 2011, fans switched their sympathy to Lita for how she was essentially forced out of a job.



* Even though many Raura shippers have accepted Creator/RossLynch's current girlfriend Courtney Eaton (Because they only want nothing but Ross' happiness in everything he does and the same for Laura), there will be some Raura shippers and fans of his who will never accept her and still insist of having Creator/LauraMarano be his "one true love in and out of ''Series/AustinAndAlly''". One rabbid Raura shipper had Ross' Instagram pics of him with Courtney reported "so I don't have to see them again" (said shipper's words). Ross' response in [[https://twitter.com/rossR5/status/885711477637734401 this tweet]] made it look like he's not fazed with the said shipper's anger.

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* Even though many Raura shippers have accepted Creator/RossLynch's current girlfriend Courtney Eaton (Because they only want nothing but Ross' happiness in everything he does and the same for Laura), there will be some Raura shippers and fans of his who will never accept her and still insist of having Creator/LauraMarano be his "one true love in and out of ''Series/AustinAndAlly''". One rabbid rabid Raura shipper had Ross' Instagram pics of him with Courtney reported "so I don't have to see them again" (said shipper's words). Ross' response in [[https://twitter.com/rossR5/status/885711477637734401 this tweet]] made it look like he's not fazed with the said shipper's anger.



** In ''Manga/SensualPhrase'', Aucifer songwriter and lead singer [[BastardBoyfriend Sakuya's]] girlfriend [[ShrinkingViolet Aine]] has to deal with overzealous, whiny, and sometimes downright ''violent'' fangirls more than once. Once she befriended a girl named Sakura, only to be dumped by her new "friend" once she learned that she was dating Sakuya. [[spoiler:Sakura later gets to briefly date Sakuya -- but then we learn it's a BatmanGambit from him, since he wants to "punish" Sakura for taking Aine's friendship and position for granted]].

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** In ''Manga/SensualPhrase'', Aucifer songwriter and lead singer [[BastardBoyfriend Sakuya's]] girlfriend [[ShrinkingViolet Aine]] has to deal with overzealous, whiny, and sometimes downright ''violent'' fangirls more than once. Once she befriended a girl named Sakura, only to be dumped by her new "friend" once she learned that she was dating Sakuya. [[spoiler:Sakura later gets to briefly date Sakuya -- but then we learn it's a BatmanGambit from him, since he wants to "punish" Sakura for taking Aine's friendship and position for granted]].granted.]]



* Coco from ''Series/FlightOfTheConchords'': She's actually perfectly nice, but Jemaine insists that she'll break up the band, and compares her to the TropeNamer. As it happens, Jemaine worrying that she'll break up the band is exactly what makes Bret quit.

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* Coco from ''Series/FlightOfTheConchords'': She's actually perfectly nice, but Jemaine insists that she'll break up the band, and compares her to the TropeNamer.{{Trope Namer|s}}. As it happens, Jemaine worrying that she'll break up the band is exactly what makes Bret quit.



* ''Series/GilmoreGirls'' discussed the TropeNamer:

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* ''Series/GilmoreGirls'' discussed the TropeNamer: {{Trope Namer|s}}:
13th Sep '17 7:32:56 PM nombretomado
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* Creator/TomHiddleston, best kown as Loki from ''Film/{{Thor}}'', attracts ire whenever he's seen with a woman. One of those women happened to be Creator/TaylorSwift, who has her own legions of insane fans -- and there were persistent rumors that the relationship was just for show while they promoted a music video they did together. It doesn't help that Hiddleston is so focused on his acting that his relationships tend not to last very long.

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* Creator/TomHiddleston, best kown known as Loki from ''Film/{{Thor}}'', attracts ire whenever he's seen with a woman. One of those women happened to be Creator/TaylorSwift, Music/TaylorSwift, who has her own legions of insane fans -- and there were persistent rumors that the relationship was just for show while they promoted a music video they did together. It doesn't help that Hiddleston is so focused on his acting that his relationships tend not to last very long.
1st Aug '17 11:13:43 PM arnoldmcguire335
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* Even though many Raura shippers have accepted Creator/RossLynch's current girlfriend Courtney Eaton (Because they only want nothing but Ross' happiness in everything he does and the same for Laura), there will be some Raura shippers and fans of his who will never accept her and still insist of having Creator/LauraMarano be his "one true love in an out of ''Series/AustinAndAlly''". One rabbid Raura shipper had Ross' Instagram pics of him with Courtney reported "so I don't have to see them again" (said shipper's words). Ross' response in [[https://twitter.com/rossR5/status/885711477637734401 this tweet]] made it look like he's not fazed with the said shipper's anger.

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* Even though many Raura shippers have accepted Creator/RossLynch's current girlfriend Courtney Eaton (Because they only want nothing but Ross' happiness in everything he does and the same for Laura), there will be some Raura shippers and fans of his who will never accept her and still insist of having Creator/LauraMarano be his "one true love in an and out of ''Series/AustinAndAlly''". One rabbid Raura shipper had Ross' Instagram pics of him with Courtney reported "so I don't have to see them again" (said shipper's words). Ross' response in [[https://twitter.com/rossR5/status/885711477637734401 this tweet]] made it look like he's not fazed with the said shipper's anger.
31st Jul '17 8:43:04 PM arnoldmcguire335
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* Even though many Raura shippers have accepted Creator/RossLynch's current girlfriend Courtney Eaton (Because they only want nothing but Ross' happiness in everything he does and the same for Laura), there will be some Raura shippers and fans of his who will never accept her and still insist of having Creator/LauraMarano be his "one true love in an out of ''Series/AustinAndAlly''". One rabbid Raura shipper had Ross' Instagram pics of him with Courtney reported "so I don't have to see them again" (said shipper's words). Ross' response in [[https://twitter.com/rossR5/status/885711477637734401 this tweet]] made it look like he's not fazed with the said shipper's anger.
22nd Jul '17 1:00:45 AM LaughingGiraffe
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* Very few instances of this trope can claim to have caused a constitutional crisis and a king's abdication, but this is exactly what happened in Britain with [[UsefulNotes/TheHouseOfWindsor King Edward VIII]] and his wife Wallis Simpson. When Simpson met the then-Prince of Wales, she was ''(a)'' American, ''(b)'' had already been divorced once, and ''(c)'' already married to her ''second'' husband, whom she would divorce to marry Edward. And the Church of England at the time did not permit divorceés to marry if their spouse was still alive. People in the know about her feared that she was a GoldDigger, [[ReallyGetsAround had more lovers]] no one knew about, and could divorce Edward while he was King. The general public in Britain didn't learn about her until after he was crowned. In the end, Prime Minister Stanley Baldwin threatened that the entire government would resign if the king married her; he responded by abdicating in order to marry her. The couple fled to France, and Wallis received a ton of hate mail. The royal family refused to grant her the style "Her Royal Highness", even though she was entitled to it by marriage. History vindicated the abdication (if only because Edward turned out to be a Nazi sympathizer, and his brother and successor George VI was a very popular king), but Wallis remains a controversial figure in history to this day.

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* Very few instances of this trope can claim to have caused a constitutional crisis and a king's abdication, but this is exactly what happened in Britain with [[UsefulNotes/TheHouseOfWindsor King Edward VIII]] and his wife Wallis Simpson. When Simpson met the then-Prince of Wales, she was ''(a)'' American, ''(b)'' had already been divorced once, and ''(c)'' already married to her ''second'' husband, whom she would divorce to marry Edward. And the Church of England at the time did not permit divorceés to marry if their spouse was still alive. People in the know about her feared that she was a GoldDigger, [[ReallyGetsAround had more lovers]] no one knew about, and could divorce Edward while he was King. The general public in Britain didn't learn about her until after his father died and he was crowned. became king. In the end, Prime Minister Stanley Baldwin threatened that the entire government would resign if the king married her; he responded by abdicating in order to marry her.her and as a result, was never formally crowned. The couple fled to France, and Wallis received a ton of hate mail. The royal family refused to grant her the style "Her Royal Highness", even though she was entitled to it by marriage. History vindicated the abdication (if only because Edward turned out to be a Nazi sympathizer, and his brother and successor George VI was a very popular king), but Wallis remains a controversial figure in history to this day.
10th Jul '17 7:27:30 AM MCanter89
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'''Barry:''' Yeah, that’s 'cause you only date band-breaker-uppers.

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'''Barry:''' Yeah, that’s 'cause ’cause you only date band-breaker-uppers.
10th Jul '17 7:25:09 AM MCanter89
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'''Barry:''' Yeah, that's 'cause you only date band-breaker-uppers.

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'''Barry:''' Yeah, that's that’s 'cause you only date band-breaker-uppers.



* The {{Trope Namer|s}} is Music/YokoOno, widow of Music/TheBeatles’ Music/JohnLennon. She’s [[{{Misblamed}} frequently blamed]] for breaking up the Beatles; fans and the media accuse her of monopolizing John’s attention, influencing his music and opinions, and just upsetting group dynamics. It is known that John would routinely bring her to recording sessions (in violation of the band’s longstanding “no girlfriends in the studio” rule), and he cited her as a big inspiration to his work. The other Beatles, for their part, don’t specifically blame her for the breakup, or at least don’t consider her scheming or malicious; they instead blame it on the group drifting apart musically and personally for some time. Yoko just happened to be there when it all imploded (although they do maintain that she wasn’t the easiest person to get along with, which may not have been entirely helpful either).

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* The {{Trope Namer|s}} is Music/YokoOno, widow of Music/TheBeatles’ Music/JohnLennon. She’s [[{{Misblamed}} frequently blamed]] for breaking up the Beatles; fans and the media accuse her of monopolizing John’s attention, influencing his music and opinions, and just upsetting group dynamics. It is known that John would routinely bring her to recording sessions (in violation of the band’s longstanding “no girlfriends in the studio” rule), and he cited her as a big inspiration to his work. The other Beatles, for their part, don’t specifically blame her for the breakup, or at least don’t consider her scheming or malicious; they instead blame it on the group drifting apart musically and personally for some time. Yoko just happened to be there when it all imploded (although they do maintain that she wasn’t the easiest person to get along with, which may not have been entirely helpful helpful, either).



** Music/PaulMcCartney’s first wife Linda Eastman got a lot of flak from fans. From the start, they compared her unfavorably with Paul’s previous girlfriend, the upper-class and ladylike Jane Asher. The hatred intensified when Paul invited her to join his post-Beatles band Music/{{Wings}}; she was a photographer, not a musician, and by her own admission wasn’t very good. Persistent rumors suggest she was so bad that they would just turn off her microphone during recording sessions. But she and Paul were HappilyMarried for 29 years before her death from cancer, and her struggle with the disease (and Paul’s return to his solo career) [[IllGirl endeared her more]] to the public.
** Paul’s second wife Heather Mills was not so lucky. She was behind early for being a ReplacementScrappy, Paul having met and married her not long after Linda died. She wasn’t as nice a person as Linda either; in particular, the public was put off by her [[AnimalWrongsGroup extreme and confrontational approach to animal rights]]. And she and Paul broke up very publicly and messily; she didn’t endear herself to the public after that either. Some fans claim that she was even worse than Yoko.

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** Music/PaulMcCartney’s first wife wife, Linda Eastman Eastman, got a lot of flak from fans. From the start, they compared her unfavorably with Paul’s previous girlfriend, the upper-class and ladylike Jane Asher. The hatred intensified when Paul invited her to join his post-Beatles band Music/{{Wings}}; she was a photographer, not a musician, and by her own admission wasn’t very good. Persistent rumors suggest she was so bad that they would just turn off her microphone during recording sessions. But she and Paul were HappilyMarried for 29 years before her death from cancer, and her struggle with the disease (and Paul’s return to his solo career) [[IllGirl endeared her more]] to the public.
** Paul’s second wife wife, Heather Mills Mills, was not so lucky. She was behind early for being a ReplacementScrappy, Paul having met and married her not long after Linda died. She wasn’t as nice a person as Linda Linda, either; in particular, the public was put off by her [[AnimalWrongsGroup extreme and confrontational approach to animal rights]]. And she and Paul broke up very publicly and messily; she didn’t endear herself to the public after that that, either. Some fans claim that she was even worse than Yoko.



* Music/CourtneyLove, widow of Music/{{Nirvana}} frontman Music/KurtCobain, is a particularly famous example. Fans blame her for Cobain’s untimely death; conspiracy theorists go so far as to suggest she caused it or ordered it. It is known that Cobain killed himself after a long battle with depression, bipolar disorder, and drug addiction; he even tried to name an album “I Hate Myself and I Want to Die”. He even left a suicide note, which fans claim was either forged or just a rationalization for quitting the band. Some claim that she introduced him to his destructive habits (ignoring that he was well on the way to addiction before they met), or that she tried to induce a fatal overdose (ignoring that she’s on record as [[http://archive.alternativenation.net/10-reasons-why-kurt-cobain-wasnt-murdered/ having saved him from several such overdoses]]). It didn’t help that Kurt’s family and bandmates didn’t like her, she made several enemies among other musicians, and she called Kurt an asshole after his death (though she called him an asshole for killing himself and anger ''is'' a [[HowDareYouDieOnMe natural stage of grief]]). Fans still haven’t forgiven her, booing her when she tried to make a speech on Nirvana’s induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2014.

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* Music/CourtneyLove, widow of Music/{{Nirvana}} frontman Music/KurtCobain, is a particularly famous example. Fans blame her for Cobain’s untimely death; conspiracy theorists go so far as to suggest she caused it or ordered it. It is known that Cobain killed himself after a long battle with depression, bipolar disorder, and drug addiction; he even tried to name an album “I Hate Myself and I Want to Die”. He even left a suicide note, which fans claim was either forged or just a rationalization for quitting the band. Some claim that she introduced him to his destructive habits (ignoring that he was had been well on the way to addiction before they met), met) or that she tried to induce a fatal overdose (ignoring that she’s on record as [[http://archive.alternativenation.net/10-reasons-why-kurt-cobain-wasnt-murdered/ having saved him from several such overdoses]]). It didn’t help that Kurt’s family and bandmates didn’t like her, she made several enemies among other musicians, and she called Kurt an asshole after his death (though she called him an asshole for killing himself himself, and anger ''is'' a [[HowDareYouDieOnMe natural stage of grief]]). Fans still haven’t forgiven her, booing her when she tried to make a speech on Nirvana’s induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2014.
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