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18th Sep '17 11:24:59 AM BeerBaron
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** Also from the backstory, the Ayleids (Wild Elves) are the "losers" to the Alessian Empire "winners". While there is plenty of evidence that the Ayleids [[KickTheDog committed atrocities]] against their human slaves, there has almost certainly been some exaggeration of the centuries since. Even though several [[TokenHeroicOrc rebel Ayleid lords]] supported Alessia during the [[SlaveRevolt revolt]] and were permitted to keep their lands and culture after the war, even they would be demonized once the monkey prophet Maruhk came to power. In addition to the persecution of any elves within the empire, he also [[UnPerson destroyed any records and cultural artifacts]] of the Ayleids that could be found. Eventually, only the (almost certainly heavily biased) Imperial records of the Alessian Revolt remained.

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** Also from the backstory, the Ayleids (Wild Elves) are the "losers" to the Alessian Empire "winners". While there is plenty of evidence that the Ayleids [[KickTheDog committed atrocities]] against their human slaves, there has almost certainly been some exaggeration of the centuries since. Even though several [[TokenHeroicOrc rebel Ayleid lords]] supported Alessia during the [[SlaveRevolt revolt]] and were permitted to keep their lands and culture after the war, even they would be demonized once the monkey prophet Maruhk Marukh came to power. power and founded the [[TheTheocracy Alessian Order]]. In addition to the persecution of any elves within the empire, he the Order also [[UnPerson destroyed any records and cultural artifacts]] of the Ayleids that could be found. Eventually, only the (almost certainly heavily biased) Imperial records of the Alessian Revolt remained.
14th Sep '17 10:21:13 AM ultimomant
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* ''Literature/{{Gate}}'': Three years before the main story, the Empire invaded the Kingdom of the [[LittleBitBeastly Warrior Bunnies]]. The Warrior Bunnies fought back, but Queen Tyuule realized that if this continued, they would lose. She bravely offered herself to Prince Zorzal as a SexSlave if he would spare her people. Unfortunately, he took her as a slave and then [[ILied had the Kingdom razed anyway]], with anyone who couldn't escape killed or enslaved. The Empire then recorded in their public records that Tyuule cowardly sold out her people and offered herself to Zorzal to save her own life. As a result, the survivors hate Tyuule's guts and think she is a traitor.

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* ''Literature/{{Gate}}'': Three years before the main story, the Empire invaded the Kingdom of the [[LittleBitBeastly Warrior Bunnies]]. The Warrior Bunnies fought back, but Queen Tyuule realized that if this continued, they would lose. She bravely offered herself to Prince Zorzal as a SexSlave if he would spare her people. Unfortunately, he took her as a slave and then [[ILied had the Kingdom razed anyway]], with anyone who couldn't escape killed or enslaved. The Empire then recorded in their public records that Tyuule cowardly sold out her people and offered herself to Zorzal to save her own life. As a result, the survivors hate Tyuule's guts and think she is a traitor. [[spoiler:Sometime after Tyuule's death, the protagonists find out the truth of the matter and manage to clear her name.]]
6th Sep '17 6:57:49 PM ultimomant
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%%* ''Literature/{{Gate}}'': Three years before the main story, the Empire invaded the Kingdom of the [[LittleBitBeastly Warrior Bunnies]]. The Warrior Bunnies fought back, but Queen Tyuule realized that if this continued, they would lose. She bravely offered herself to Prince Zorzal as a SexSlave if he would spare her people. Unfortunately, he took her as a slave and then [[ILied had the Kingdom razed anyway]], with anyone who couldn't escape killed or enslaved. The Empire then recorded in their public records that Tyuule cowardly sold out her people and offered herself to Zorzal to save her own life. As a result, the survivors hate Tyuule's guts and think she is a traitor.

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%%* * ''Literature/{{Gate}}'': Three years before the main story, the Empire invaded the Kingdom of the [[LittleBitBeastly Warrior Bunnies]]. The Warrior Bunnies fought back, but Queen Tyuule realized that if this continued, they would lose. She bravely offered herself to Prince Zorzal as a SexSlave if he would spare her people. Unfortunately, he took her as a slave and then [[ILied had the Kingdom razed anyway]], with anyone who couldn't escape killed or enslaved. The Empire then recorded in their public records that Tyuule cowardly sold out her people and offered herself to Zorzal to save her own life. As a result, the survivors hate Tyuule's guts and think she is a traitor.
21st Aug '17 2:13:32 PM Frankencastle
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* ''Literature/{{Gate}}'': Three years before the main story, the Empire invaded the Kingdom of the [[LittleBitBeastly Warrior Bunnies]]. The Warrior Bunnies fought back, but Queen Tyuule realized that if this continued, they would lose. She bravely offered herself to Prince Zorzal as a SexSlave if he would spare her people. Unfortunately, he took her as a slave and then [[ILied had the Kingdom razed anyway]], with anyone who couldn't escape killed or enslaved. The Empire then recorded in their public records that Tyuule cowardly sold out her people and offered herself to Zorzal to save her own life. As a result, the survivors hate Tyuule's guts and think she is a traitor.

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* %%* ''Literature/{{Gate}}'': Three years before the main story, the Empire invaded the Kingdom of the [[LittleBitBeastly Warrior Bunnies]]. The Warrior Bunnies fought back, but Queen Tyuule realized that if this continued, they would lose. She bravely offered herself to Prince Zorzal as a SexSlave if he would spare her people. Unfortunately, he took her as a slave and then [[ILied had the Kingdom razed anyway]], with anyone who couldn't escape killed or enslaved. The Empire then recorded in their public records that Tyuule cowardly sold out her people and offered herself to Zorzal to save her own life. As a result, the survivors hate Tyuule's guts and think she is a traitor.


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* Series/GenerationKill gives us a more "unique" interpretation of this trope.
--> '''Sgt. Eric Kocher:''' If something happens to me, I want my wife to know the truth. If they say we fought valiantly here, I want her to know we fought retarded.
21st Aug '17 11:15:41 AM SeptimusHeap
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** Addressed but averted in Creator/TimothyZahn's ''[[HandOfThrawn Vision of the Future]]'':

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** Addressed but averted in Creator/TimothyZahn's ''[[HandOfThrawn ''[[Literature/HandOfThrawn Vision of the Future]]'':
30th Jul '17 9:11:59 AM AdamC
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* Goes both ways in ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse''.
** Gems raised on Homeworld largely believe the Earth was destroyed, and all life on it was wiped out, rather than the Homeworld forces having been driven off Earth by the Crystal Gems. Peridot wasn't even aware that there had been a war, only that Earth was no longer a viable colony. There is information available about Rose Quartz, but she's much more treated as a monster; not for starting the Civil War but instead for [[spoiler: killing Pink Diamond.]]
** On the flipside, Steven and Amethyst, the two members of the Crystal Gems who were born after the war, are kept in the dark over some unsavory things their seniors have done. [[spoiler: Neither knew until they were told that Rose shattered Pink Diamond, which Garnet and Pearl later tell them was a necessary step for victory. Rose Quartz herself also poofed and bubbled Bismuth, a Crystal Gem rogue who was willing to take the war in a darker direction, and then allowed the other members of the group to believe she'd gone missing.]]
16th Jul '17 12:46:32 PM Morgenthaler
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16th Jul '17 10:44:58 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' - In an [[InvertedTrope inversion]], in the episode "Living Witness", the history was written from the perspective of the ''losers'' who were relegated to second class citizenry, and the winning faction was very annoyed at being portrayed as vicious, bloodthirsty tyrants who slaughtered innocents and made martyrs out of people that turned out to be pirates and raiders. As it turns out, both sides weren't exactly saints to begin with.
** It is very likely the history was originally written by the winners and only turned to favor the other side in the centuries of coexistence later. The story still puts almost all the blame on ''Voyager'' rather than the winners themselves. In the propaganda simulation, even the representative of the victorious species who made the deal for Voyager's involvement is horrified at their atrocities, but his objections are ignored.
** Ultimately subverted at the end of the episode [[spoiler:when we flash forward to the future to see that both sides have reconciled their differences (thanks in large part to the Doctor). The old anti-Voyager propaganda simulations are still on display, but only as an example of how past prejudices once pushed them apart.]]

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* ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' - In an [[InvertedTrope inversion]], in the episode "Living Witness", the history was written from the perspective of the ''losers'' who were relegated to second class citizenry, and the winning faction was very annoyed at being portrayed as vicious, bloodthirsty tyrants who slaughtered innocents and made martyrs out of people that turned out to be pirates and raiders. As it turns out, both sides weren't exactly saints to begin with.
** It is very likely the history was originally written by the winners and only turned to favor the other side in the centuries of coexistence later. The story still puts almost all the blame on ''Voyager'' rather than the winners themselves. In the propaganda simulation, even the representative of the victorious species who made the deal for Voyager's involvement is horrified at their atrocities, but his objections are ignored.
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with. Ultimately subverted at the end of the episode [[spoiler:when we flash forward to the future to see that both sides have reconciled their differences (thanks in large part to the Doctor). The old anti-Voyager propaganda simulations are still on display, but only as an example of how past prejudices once pushed them apart.]]
16th Jul '17 10:43:49 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Series/TheManInTheHighCastle'': This trope is in full effect here. Several characters of the Greater Nazi Reich sometimes mention the "American genocide", referring to the mass murder of the Indians in their history. By accentuating these negative events, the victors portray the Americans they conquered as a savage people with a tendency to brutally kill off whoever gets in their way, making the victors look more sympathetic (or, alternatively, as proof that the Americans already had Nazi-like tendencies before the Axis invaded). The Nazis also refer to their genocide against the Jews as their war against Semite terrorists. This chillingly shows that the winners of a war can portray the losers as terrible as they want them to be, distracting the people from their own wrongdoings.

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* ''Series/TheManInTheHighCastle'': This trope is in full effect here. here.
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Several characters of the Greater Nazi Reich sometimes mention the "American genocide", referring to the mass murder of the Indians in their history. By accentuating these negative events, the victors portray the Americans they conquered as a savage people with a tendency to brutally kill off whoever gets in their way, making the victors look more sympathetic (or, alternatively, as proof that the Americans already had Nazi-like tendencies before the Axis invaded). invaded).
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The Nazis also refer to their genocide against the Jews as their war against Semite terrorists. This chillingly shows that the winners of a war can portray the losers as terrible as they want them to be, distracting the people from their own wrongdoings.wrongdoings.
** The opening of Season 2 shows some Nazi students ''praising'' the fact that UsefulNotes/GeorgeWashington and UsefulNotes/ThomasJefferson owned 600 and 300 slaves, respectively. It is fitting since in our timeline, these facts are glossed over or underappreciated.
3rd Jul '17 1:57:14 PM Theriocephalus
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* In [[FanFic/EquestriaAHistoryRevealed Equestria: A History Revealed]], the ConspiracyTheorist LemonyNarrator seems to think that all of Equestria's history was rewritten by Celestia, [[IRejectYourReality despite clear evidence that this is not the case.]] However, Celestia does alter history a few times in [[spoiler: eliminating Discord's name before his return, sealing away the records on the Crystal Empire, and altering some aspects of the Equestrian Civil War]], which hints that the LemonyNarrator was not entirely incorrect.

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* In [[FanFic/EquestriaAHistoryRevealed Equestria: A History Revealed]], ''FanFic/EquestriaAHistoryRevealed'', the ConspiracyTheorist LemonyNarrator seems to think that all of Equestria's history was rewritten by Celestia, [[IRejectYourReality despite clear evidence that this is not the case.]] However, Celestia does alter history a few times in [[spoiler: eliminating Discord's name before his return, sealing away the records on the Crystal Empire, and altering some aspects of the Equestrian Civil War]], which hints that the LemonyNarrator was not entirely incorrect.



* Played with in the ''Fanfic/PonyPOVSeries'' when Celestia reveals she erased Discord from the history books because, in her mind, he didn't deserve a legacy after all he'd done. She also explained that she [[spoiler:didn't want the memory of those like Shady who were related to Discord to be tainted by association with him.]]
** We later see [[spoiler:the Sea Ponies in the [[BadFuture Epilogue timeline]] are fed a completely rewritten version of history that's the ''complete opposite'' of what happened, right down to Discord blaming the Alicorns for the genocide ''he'' committed.]]

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* Played with in the ''Fanfic/PonyPOVSeries'' when ''Fanfic/PonyPOVSeries'':
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Celestia reveals she erased Discord from the history books because, in her mind, he didn't deserve a legacy after all he'd done. She also explained that she [[spoiler:didn't want the memory of those like Shady who were related to Discord to be tainted by association with him.]]
him]].
** We later see [[spoiler:the Sea Ponies in the [[BadFuture Epilogue timeline]] are fed a completely rewritten version of history that's the ''complete opposite'' of what happened, right down to Discord blaming the Alicorns for the genocide ''he'' committed.]]committed]].



** Cadence defies this after the Changeling battle: [[spoiler:Cadence beats Chrysalis and becomes the Changeling Queen, Chrysalis dying of her injuries and [[{{Reincarnation}} is reincarnated as an innocent filly]]. Cadence then tells the Changelings to remember Chrysalis for the good she did, but also not deny the evil either.]]

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** Cadence defies this after the Changeling battle: [[spoiler:Cadence beats Chrysalis and becomes the Changeling Queen, Chrysalis dying dies of her injuries and [[{{Reincarnation}} is reincarnated as an innocent filly]]. Cadence then tells the Changelings to remember Chrysalis for the good she did, but also not deny the evil either.]]



* FanFic/TheLastRingbearer points out that the Red Book, which is the basis of TheLordOfTheRings, is actually a history written by the winners. It's bursting full of examples. In it, the Orks and Wild Men of the south are simply people of color. The Red Book dehumanizes its enemies, makes light of Aragorn using {{Necromancy}} to defeat the Mordorians and condemns the scientific nation of Mordor as corrupters by blaming the desertification of their homeland on them. The war was started by Gandalf because the enemy technology was becoming stronger, while the magic of the eldritch elves and the wizards became only weaker as knowledge was lost. Saruman saw that the only way to stamp out science was to commit genocide and wanted nothing to do with it.
** Further, Aragorn taunts the Mordorian general after having him shot in the back during a honor duel: "The history books will say you got killed by a midget and a broad."

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* FanFic/TheLastRingbearer ''FanFic/TheLastRingbearer'' points out that the Red Book, which is the basis of TheLordOfTheRings, is actually a history written by the winners. It's bursting full of examples. In it, the Orks and Wild Men of the south are simply people of color. The Red Book dehumanizes its enemies, makes light of Aragorn using {{Necromancy}} to defeat the Mordorians and condemns the scientific nation of Mordor as corrupters by blaming the desertification of their homeland on them. The war was started by Gandalf because the enemy technology was becoming stronger, while the magic of the eldritch elves and the wizards became only weaker as knowledge was lost. Saruman saw that the only way to stamp out science was to commit genocide and wanted nothing to do with it.
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it. Further, Aragorn taunts the Mordorian general after having him shot in the back during a honor duel: "The history books will say you got killed by a midget and a broad."


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* ''Fanfic/TheLifeAndTimesOfAWinningPony'': In ''The Lunar Rebellion'', the Pegasopolan ephors, and Swift Blade and Bright Charger in particular, claim that Celestia rewrote much Equestria's official history to make herself look better, considering the tale of Nightmare Moon to be a smear campaign created by Celestia after unjustly overthrowing her sister to make herself sole ruler of Equestria, and further justify their alliance with warlocks and lunar cultists by the reasoning that assigning such titles is simply a way for Celestia to discredit political opponents. Subverted in the end, as this is all portrayed as being completely incorrect -- Nightmare Moon is still a self-centered MadGod, the warlocks are genuinely horrible people, and this belief in general seems to be more than anything a way for the Ephorate to retroactively justify their rebellion against Celestia -- and not all ephors buy much into this line of reasoning, for that matter.
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