History Main / WrittenbytheWinners

8th Dec '16 11:28:41 PM TSBasilisk
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** This is the underlying principle of all Divine Ancestors. Earth goddesses defeated by warrior gods have their power stolen and memories sealed, rendering them obedient daughters or wives of the victor. This usually appears in mythology as a hero conquering a dragon (earth goddesses often manifest as dragons) and rescuing a maiden.
* In ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'' the history of the Eldian people sees this from both sides. During their reign, the Eldians depicted themselves as bringers of civilization and wealth; the Marleyans who replaced them depict the Eldians as bloodthirsty racists who tried to exterminate the Marleyans. Even their link to the [[spoiler:Titans]] is subject to this, with Eldians claiming it as a divine blessing and the Marleyans as a demonic pact.
** [[spoiler:Owl]] admits the truth is likely lost at this point, but probably lies somewhere between the extremes. The Eldians were imperfect humans and so could not have been perfect rulers; at the same time their rule was so long that if they had truly tried to exterminate the Marleyans none would remain.
12th Nov '16 8:15:05 AM MCanter89
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* ''Film/{{Braveheart}}'', the opening monologue: "I shall tell you of William Wallace. Historians from England will say I am a liar, but history is written by those who have hanged heroes." Note however, that both English and Scottish were united in calling out the film for its blatant historical inaccuracies (on the Scots' side, it sidelined an even ''greater'' national hero-the future King Robert the Bruce-in favor of Wallace, whom he is falsely portrayed as betraying).

to:

* ''Film/{{Braveheart}}'', the opening monologue: "I shall tell you of William Wallace. Historians from England will say I am a liar, but history is written by those who have hanged heroes." Note Note, however, that both the English and the Scottish were united in calling out the film for its blatant historical inaccuracies (on the Scots' side, it sidelined an even ''greater'' national hero-the hero--the future King Robert the Bruce-in Bruce--in favor of Wallace, whom he is falsely portrayed as betraying).
26th Oct '16 9:54:18 PM PaulA
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* In another issue of PeterDavid's (this time ''ComicBook/XFactor''), ComicBook/{{Quicksilver}} offers his own version of the phrase: "The future is written by the winners. History is written by the survivors."

to:

* In another issue of PeterDavid's Creator/PeterDavid's (this time ''ComicBook/XFactor''), ComicBook/{{Quicksilver}} offers his own version of the phrase: "The future is written by the winners. History is written by the survivors."
22nd Oct '16 6:46:14 AM ironballs16
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** It actually works the other way as well. A popular view of pre-Columbian Native Culture is one of great nobility and peace. While individual tribes may have been somewhat peaceful, tribes fought each other just as much as European states did and for the same reasons. One way to tell is by common tribal name. If the common name was given by the tribe itself, it likely means "the people" or something similar. If given a name by Europeans, it often refers to a nearby natural characteristic (lake, waterfall, etc...). If named by another tribe, there's a very good chance it means something close to "enemy". For instance, "Apache" comes from a Zuni word meaning "enemy". They call themselves the Ndee.
** Both the settlers and the Native Americans occasionally kidnapped each other's children and tried to convert them, however settlers converting Native American children has always been more likely to be portrayed as "saving them" than the other way around.

to:

** It actually works the other way as well. A popular view of pre-Columbian Native Culture [[NobleSavage is one of great nobility and peace.peace]]. While individual tribes may have been somewhat peaceful, tribes fought each other just as much as European states did and for the same reasons. One way to tell is by common tribal name. If the common name was given by the tribe itself, it likely means "the people" or something similar. If given a name by Europeans, it often refers to a nearby natural characteristic (lake, waterfall, etc...). If named by another tribe, there's a very good chance it means something close to "enemy". For instance, "Apache" comes from a Zuni word meaning "enemy". They call themselves the Ndee.
** Both the settlers and the Native Americans occasionally kidnapped each other's children and tried to convert them, however settlers converting Native American children has always been more likely to be portrayed as "saving them" than the other way around.around, best evidenced [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_boarding_schools by the boarding schools that openly discouraged students from any behavior that wasn't European-inspired]].
10th Oct '16 7:55:10 PM Mhazard
Is there an issue? Send a Message


-->-- '''UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler''' [[note]]who, sure enough, wasn't "[[AuthorExistenceFailure there]] [[{{Irony}} to explain]]" at the end of the war.[[/note]]

to:

-->-- '''UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler''' [[note]]who, sure enough, wasn't "[[AuthorExistenceFailure there]] [[{{Irony}} "[[TemptingFate there to explain]]" at the end of the war.[[/note]]
10th Oct '16 7:54:11 PM Mhazard
Is there an issue? Send a Message


-->-- '''UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler''' [[note]]who, sure enough, wasn't "[[AuthorExistanceFailure there to explain]]" at the end of the war.[[/note]]

to:

-->-- '''UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler''' [[note]]who, sure enough, wasn't "[[AuthorExistanceFailure there "[[AuthorExistenceFailure there]] [[{{Irony}} to explain]]" at the end of the war.[[/note]]
10th Oct '16 7:53:06 PM Mhazard
Is there an issue? Send a Message


-->-- '''UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler''' [[note]]who, sure enough, wasn't "there to explain" at the end of the war[[/note]]

to:

-->-- '''UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler''' [[note]]who, sure enough, wasn't "there "[[AuthorExistanceFailure there to explain" explain]]" at the end of the war[[/note]]
war.[[/note]]
30th Sep '16 5:21:54 AM Nejiiuyn
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* In ''Manga/OnePiece'', this is more or less the case with the Lost Century, though it's less "written" and more "entirely ignored". The World Government absolutely forbids any research into the century immediately prior to their founding. They will murder anyone and raze entire islands to keep that secret. The only record of that time is found on indestructible tablets called Poneglyphs, written in a dead language that only one living person knows how to read. Others could before, and the government had them systematically killed.

to:

* In ''Manga/OnePiece'', this is more or less the case with the Lost Void Century, though it's less "written" and more "entirely ignored". The World Government absolutely forbids any research into the century immediately prior to their founding. They will murder anyone and raze entire islands to keep that secret. The only record of that time is found on indestructible tablets called Poneglyphs, written in a dead language that only one living person knows how to read. Others could before, and the government had them systematically killed.
25th Sep '16 5:16:08 PM jormis29
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* In the ''Series/TheElderScrolls'' backstory, as shown most prominently in ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]'': Because of [[PlotTriggeringDeath Nerevar's death]], the disappearance of the Dwemer, [[BigBad Dagoth Ur's]] [[KingInTheMountain presumed death]], and the fact that Azura is a [[OurDemonsAreDifferent Daedric Prince]] who doesn't often openly communicate with mortals, [[PhysicalGod the Tribunal]] were the only ones present for [[TheRashomon the events following the Battle of Red Mountain]] left in a position to declare how the events there took place. As such, the [[CorruptChurch Tribunal Temple's]] ''official'' story about what happened is the most widely accepted version, even though it is clearly the version most full of BlatantLies and [[MetaphoricallyTrue Metaphorical Truths]] out of those that comprise TheRashomon once you've done a little research. All stories to the contrary are considered heresy, kept alive only by the actions of the [[NobleSavage Ashlander]] Nerevarine Cult and the [[DefectorFromDecadence Dissident Priests]].

to:

* In the ''Series/TheElderScrolls'' ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' backstory, as shown most prominently in ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]'': Because of [[PlotTriggeringDeath Nerevar's death]], the disappearance of the Dwemer, [[BigBad Dagoth Ur's]] [[KingInTheMountain presumed death]], and the fact that Azura is a [[OurDemonsAreDifferent Daedric Prince]] who doesn't often openly communicate with mortals, [[PhysicalGod the Tribunal]] were the only ones present for [[TheRashomon the events following the Battle of Red Mountain]] left in a position to declare how the events there took place. As such, the [[CorruptChurch Tribunal Temple's]] ''official'' story about what happened is the most widely accepted version, even though it is clearly the version most full of BlatantLies and [[MetaphoricallyTrue Metaphorical Truths]] out of those that comprise TheRashomon once you've done a little research. All stories to the contrary are considered heresy, kept alive only by the actions of the [[NobleSavage Ashlander]] Nerevarine Cult and the [[DefectorFromDecadence Dissident Priests]].
25th Sep '16 4:23:55 PM kome360
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** Between Oblivion and Skyrim, the Thalmor were the most intact organization at the end of the Oblivion Crisis (by virtue of not being there to lose half their army), and were able to spread enough propaganda and threaten enough countries to write a completely false series of legends as historical canon and get away with it. Specifically, anything that people, especially Mer, praised? "We did it."

to:

** Between Oblivion and Skyrim, the Thalmor were the most intact organization at the end of the Oblivion Crisis (by virtue of not being there to lose half their army), and were able to spread enough propaganda and threaten enough countries to write a completely false series of legends as historical canon and get away with it. Specifically, anything that people, especially Mer, praised? "We did it."it". Saved the world from Mehrunes Dagon? "We did it". Brought back the twin moons that are worshipped by the Kahjit? "We did it".
This list shows the last 10 events of 468. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.WrittenbytheWinners