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27th Jun '17 2:45:13 PM Austin
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** The Riddler ''lives'' to go head-to-head with Batman, the only person he believes to be a worthy challenge for his intellect. Some fans believe this makes him stupid for constantly giving away clues to what he's going to do, but the Riddler doesn't care about money or material objects. All he cares about is having his Worthy Opponent's full attention and the thrill of the game.
* There's also an incredibly minor subtext of this in ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'', between Reed Richards and his '''ARCHNEMESIS!!!''' Doctor Doom. The two of them regularly top canon and fanon lists of the smartest men in the Marvel Universe, and Reed steps in and out of feeling guilty for what happened to Doom in college. Part of it comes from the fact that they don't have to talk down to each other -- smartest men in the world and all that.

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** The Riddler ComicBook/TheRiddler ''lives'' to go head-to-head with Batman, the only person he believes to be a worthy challenge for his intellect. Some fans believe this makes him stupid for constantly giving away clues to what he's going to do, but the Riddler doesn't care about money or material objects. All he cares about is having his Worthy Opponent's full attention and the thrill of the game.
* There's also an incredibly minor subtext of this in ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'', between Reed Richards and his '''ARCHNEMESIS!!!''' Doctor Doom.ComicBook/DoctorDoom. The two of them regularly top canon and fanon lists of the smartest men in the Marvel Universe, and Reed steps in and out of feeling guilty for what happened to Doom in college. Part of it comes from the fact that they don't have to talk down to each other -- smartest men in the world and all that.
22nd Jun '17 2:27:19 AM markband
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18th Jun '17 9:00:39 PM Linda58
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* [[BiggerBad The First Evil]] in ''[[http://members.chello.nl/~jg.temolder1/stories/Chosen_to_Destroy.htm Chosen to Destroy]]'' easily and openly admits that if things had gone as planned (namely, Buffy staying dead after facing the Master), the team of [[Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer Faith, Xander, Willow, and Giles]] would have almost certainly defeated it and might have even found a way to permanently destroy it. Unfortunately for them, Buffy didn't stay dead and thus prevented the formation of "the greatest demon hunting team the world has ever known".

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* [[BiggerBad The First Evil]] in ''[[http://members.chello.nl/~jg.temolder1/stories/Chosen_to_Destroy.htm Chosen to Destroy]]'' easily and openly admits that if things had gone as planned (namely, Buffy staying dead after facing the Master), the team of [[Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer Faith, Xander, Willow, and Giles]] would have almost certainly defeated it and might have even found a way to permanently destroy it. Unfortunately for them, Buffy didn't stay dead and thus prevented the formation of "the greatest demon hunting team the world has ever known". [[spoiler:It then makes a point to kill them to prevent this team from still forming, and then leaves confident there is now no one that can stop it]].


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* Referenced and then ''spectacularly'' defied in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11298331/1/A-different-weasel-makes-a-difference A different weasel makes a difference]]''. [[ArrogantKungFuGuy Loras]] [[MilesGloriosus Tyrell]], sick and unarmed, ''demands'' the [[{{BigBad}} Night's Queen]] fight him:
-->'''Night's Queen:''' I only fight worthy opponents. ''[[spoiler:(decapitates him)]]''
16th Jun '17 8:40:04 AM Gosicrystal
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* ''[[VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigationsMilesEdgeworth Ace Attorney Investigations 2]]'':
** The first case has Edgeworth assisted by ''[[ProfessionalKiller Shelley de Killer]]'' of all people. The reason being that the murder victim (a bodyguard) was one of the very few people badass enough to ''stop'' a de Killer assassination. This really struck a chord with de Killer, who is usually able to kill his targets without getting a scratch on him, and he wanted to help get justice for such a skilled opponent.
** In the third case, [[spoiler:Dane Gustavia]] is deeply disappointed that Jeff Master was the one suspected of the murder, since [[spoiler:he]] deeply respected Master [[spoiler:as a fellow pastry chef]] and considered him a worthy opponent. [[spoiler:He]] was actually trying to frame someone else, but an accident caused the victim's body to be discovered early in a place that made Master look suspicious.

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''[[VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigationsMilesEdgeworth Ace Attorney Investigations 2]]'':
** *** The first case has Edgeworth assisted by ''[[ProfessionalKiller Shelley de Killer]]'' of all people. The reason being that the murder victim (a bodyguard) was one of the very few people badass enough to ''stop'' a de Killer assassination. This really struck a chord with de Killer, who is usually able to kill his targets without getting a scratch on him, and he wanted to help get justice for such a skilled opponent.
** *** In the third case, [[spoiler:Dane Gustavia]] is deeply disappointed that Jeff Master was the one suspected of the murder, since [[spoiler:he]] deeply respected Master [[spoiler:as a fellow pastry chef]] and considered him a worthy opponent. [[spoiler:He]] was actually trying to frame someone else, but an accident caused the victim's body to be discovered early in a place that made Master look suspicious.suspicious.
** In ''VisualNovel/TheEmptyTurnabout'''s third chapter, [[spoiler:Athena]] [[SmokingGun has the chance to lie and render all of Apollo's efforts so far in the trial meaningless by testifying against his theory about Arts's murder]], but prefers not to do that because it would be too easy and boring. She wants a fair fight against him sometime in the future, so she goes ahead and tells the truth, allowing Apollo to keep accusing [[spoiler:Mary Adair]].
6th Jun '17 12:15:24 PM Gosicrystal
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* Similarly, the three big video game companies generally have a hefty respect for each other and will rarely criticize each other beyond the occasional joke. When Satoru Iwata (Nintendo's president and a great video game designer in his own right) died, both Sony and Microsoft posted tributes to him.

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* Similarly, the The three big video game companies generally have a hefty respect for each other and will rarely criticize each other beyond the occasional joke. When Satoru Iwata (Nintendo's president and a great video game designer in his own right) died, both Sony and Microsoft posted tributes to him.
12th May '17 6:42:20 PM Prometheus117
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* ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'': [[TheBrute Jasper]] seems to have this approach towards Rose Quartz, albeit in a rather abrasive manner given her first line on the topic is about "beating [Rose] into the ground". She does confess to respecting Rose's tactics, and seems to have a specific inclination towards only fighting things that fit her personal standards of worthiness. She initially refuses to fight the Crystal Gems personally, and later seems to try to talk Garnet down before their fight on the ship. It remains to be seen if losing to the Crystal Gems gives her newfound respect towards them.

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* ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'': [[TheBrute Jasper]] seems to have this approach towards Rose Quartz, albeit in a rather abrasive manner given her first line on the topic is about "beating [Rose] into the ground". She does confess to respecting Rose's tactics, and seems to have a specific inclination towards only fighting things that fit her personal standards of worthiness. She This respect does ''not'' extend to the other Crystal Gems, as she initially refuses to fight the Crystal Gems "a defective Pearl, an overcooked runt, and a Fusion" personally, and later seems to try to talk talks Garnet down before their fight duel on the ship. It remains her ship [[FusionDance for being a Fusion of two "weak" Gems trying to be seen if strong]]. Her repeated defeats at their hands don't improve her stance on them, as she insists that the only reason she keeps losing is because they keep using Fusion against her (which, to her credit, is exactly what led to each of her defeats [[spoiler:and her attempt to abuse it herself [[HoistByHerOwnPetard ends up costing her]]]]). Rose seems to have her respect for being the only Crystal Gems gives Gem capable of fighting her newfound respect towards them.''by herself'' without using "cheap tactics" to get stronger.
9th Apr '17 1:20:24 PM Divra
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*** It's most notable when Tywin visits Highgarden, and he blows off the rest of the people there to take a stroll in the gardens with Olenna. In spite of being leading figures in separate sides of a civil war, the two are chatting away like old friends. It is one of the few times Tywin looks anything remotely resembling happy.
6th Apr '17 4:16:35 PM gb00393
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** As of "Hardhome", the Night's King sees Jon Snow as this, being intimidated enough by his killing of a White Walker in single combat to go down to the docks of the Hardhome settlement personally to raise all of the dead Night's Watchmen and Wildlings from the battle as wights as a show of force.
4th Apr '17 11:00:23 AM gb00393
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** Robb Stark to Tywin Lannister, enough that he acknowledges how badly he underestimated Robb and how talented the Young Wolf is at war. Not bad for a boy of eighteen.
2nd Apr '17 2:49:29 PM MikeW
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* On ''Series/{{Psych}}'', master thief Despereaux is impressed when Shawn is the first to figure out that his "robberies" are really just taking stuff so the owners can cash in on the insurance. Seeing Shawn a bit let down by this, Pierre decides to become a thief for real. He and Shawn clash a few more times but also work together as clearly Despereaux appreciates Shawn's smarts and the challenge of beating him.
** Wonderfully played with in how Detective Lassiter was convinced ''he'' was Despereaux's main rival, having been chasing the man for years. When they finally meet, Lassiter is stunned to realize the thief has absolutely no idea who Lassiter even is.
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