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7th Aug '16 6:14:58 PM nombretomado
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* In TheDCU, Johnny Quick's sidekick Tubby Watts tried reciting Johnny's [[FormulaicMagic magical formula]] of [[EEqualsMCHAmmer ("3X2(9YZ)4A")]] [[note]]It is a nonsense formula, do not bother searching for it.[[/note]] in order to give himself SuperSpeed like Johnny's. It failed. A later {{Retcon}} established that the 'formula' was actually a personal mantra that would only work for Johnny (and eventually his daughter).

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* In TheDCU, Franchise/TheDCU, Johnny Quick's sidekick Tubby Watts tried reciting Johnny's [[FormulaicMagic magical formula]] of [[EEqualsMCHAmmer ("3X2(9YZ)4A")]] [[note]]It is a nonsense formula, do not bother searching for it.[[/note]] in order to give himself SuperSpeed like Johnny's. It failed. A later {{Retcon}} established that the 'formula' was actually a personal mantra that would only work for Johnny (and eventually his daughter).
5th Aug '16 12:22:14 PM Morgenthaler
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* Parodied in [[http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=3#comic this]] SaturdayMorningBreakfastCereal comic.

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* Parodied in [[http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=3#comic this]] SaturdayMorningBreakfastCereal ''Webcomic/SaturdayMorningBreakfastCereal'' comic.
25th Jul '16 1:28:05 AM Chabal2
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* ''Film/BedknobsAndBroomsticks'', the [[ConArtist man]] who [[AchievementsInIgnorance invented the spells from what he thought was a nonsense book]] could not use them, but [[Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast Angela]] [[Film/NannyMcPhee Lans]][[Series/MurderSheWrote bury's]] character, Miss Eglantine Price, could because she actually believed in magic. It took a great deal of concentration before he could finally get one to work after being shown numerous times that magic existed.
** Later, Angela Landsbury gets a hold of the magic words on the [=MacGuffin=] that she had been searching for throughout the film...and they do not work. The man then explains that ''none'' of the magic words she had been using for her spells were the "real" words or preparations; he had found them, but spiced them up a bit before selling them on. He suggests she tries the same (read: they all sing a song)- and it works.

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* ''Film/BedknobsAndBroomsticks'', the [[ConArtist man]] who [[AchievementsInIgnorance invented the spells from what he thought was a nonsense book]] could not use them, but [[Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast Angela]] [[Film/NannyMcPhee Lans]][[Series/MurderSheWrote bury's]] character, Miss Eglantine Price, could because she actually believed in magic. It took a great deal of concentration (and telling his reflection to believe in something for once in his life) before he could finally get one to work after being shown numerous times that magic existed.
** Later, Angela Landsbury Miss Price gets a hold of the magic words on the [=MacGuffin=] that she had been searching for throughout the film...and they do not work. The man then explains that ''none'' of the magic words she had been using for her spells were the "real" words or preparations; he had found them, but spiced them up a bit before selling them on. He suggests she tries the same (read: they all sing a song)- and it works.



** Same thing in ''Discworld/WyrdSisters'' as the names of instruments of demon summoning are immaterial as long as the general sound and intent is there.

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** Same thing in ''Discworld/WyrdSisters'' as the names of instruments of demon summoning are immaterial as long as the general sound and intent is there. Turns out a big copper ladle is quite useful for bopping an uncooperative demon.
24th Jul '16 9:12:57 PM Discar
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** Also, the actual chanting done by the Wizards in the {{Necromancy}} department is meaningless, any old chanting will do as long as it sounds the part.

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** Also, the actual chanting done by the Wizards in the {{Necromancy}} department is meaningless, any old chanting will do as long as it sounds the part. Even then, this is only because they're trying to summon dead necromancers, who are big on tradition.
26th Jun '16 9:11:05 PM nombretomado
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* Present in ''TheDresdenFiles'', but the words are still an important ''part'' of the spell. The incantation is as much a part of the spell as pointing and drawing up power, so wizards will use nonsense--but consistent--words rather than real ones, to avoid the risk of accidentally misfiring.

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* Present in ''TheDresdenFiles'', ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'', but the words are still an important ''part'' of the spell. The incantation is as much a part of the spell as pointing and drawing up power, so wizards will use nonsense--but consistent--words rather than real ones, to avoid the risk of accidentally misfiring.



** Harry at one point in ''Fool Moon'' uses a completely non-verbal spell, but isn't able to do much more than the minimum necessary to not die at the moment (something big and nasty had its hands around his neck), and he nearly died from the after-effects of the spell anyway.

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** Harry at one point in ''Fool Moon'' ''Literature/FoolMoon'' uses a completely non-verbal spell, but isn't able to do much more than the minimum necessary to not die at the moment (something big and nasty had its hands around his neck), and he nearly died from the after-effects of the spell anyway.
1st Jun '16 7:08:45 PM PaulA
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* Shown from a mage's perspective in Creator/RogerZelazny's second part of ''Literature/TheChroniclesOfAmber'' and in ''Changing Land''. Words are not the whole spell--they are just the trigger part, and without a properly readied magic they are meaningless.

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* Shown from a mage's perspective in Creator/RogerZelazny's second part of ''Literature/TheChroniclesOfAmber'' and in ''Changing Land''.''Literature/TheChangingLand''. Words are not the whole spell--they are just the trigger part, and without a properly readied magic they are meaningless.
19th May '16 5:13:20 PM nombretomado
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* ''Film/BedknobsAndBroomsticks'', the [[ConArtist man]] who [[AchievementsInIgnorance invented the spells from what he thought was a nonsense book]] could not use them, but [[Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast Angela]] [[Film/NannyMcPhee Lans]][[MurderSheWrote bury's]] character, Miss Eglantine Price, could because she actually believed in magic. It took a great deal of concentration before he could finally get one to work after being shown numerous times that magic existed.

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* ''Film/BedknobsAndBroomsticks'', the [[ConArtist man]] who [[AchievementsInIgnorance invented the spells from what he thought was a nonsense book]] could not use them, but [[Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast Angela]] [[Film/NannyMcPhee Lans]][[MurderSheWrote Lans]][[Series/MurderSheWrote bury's]] character, Miss Eglantine Price, could because she actually believed in magic. It took a great deal of concentration before he could finally get one to work after being shown numerous times that magic existed.
16th May '16 12:08:36 PM SilverDragon
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* In the ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' series, it's repeatedly noted that magic lies in the user's attitude and determination - chants, cauldrons and blood offerings are generally their because of the RuleOfCool.

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* In the ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' series, it's repeatedly noted that magic lies in the user's attitude and determination - chants, cauldrons and blood offerings are generally their there because of the RuleOfCool.
15th May '16 2:55:32 PM nighttrainfm
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* ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' series

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* In the ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' seriesseries, it's repeatedly noted that magic lies in the user's attitude and determination - chants, cauldrons and blood offerings are generally their because of the RuleOfCool.



** Same thing in ''Wyrd Sisters'' as the names of instruments of demon summoning are immaterial as long as the general sound and intent is there.
** In ''Discworld/IShallWearMidnight''; a very powerful but untrained witch casts a spell that ''other witches'' think is nonsense, overlapping with AchievementsInIgnorance.

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** Same thing in ''Wyrd Sisters'' ''Discworld/WyrdSisters'' as the names of instruments of demon summoning are immaterial as long as the general sound and intent is there.
** In ''Discworld/IShallWearMidnight''; ''Discworld/IShallWearMidnight'', a very powerful but untrained witch casts a spell that ''other witches'' think is nonsense, overlapping with AchievementsInIgnorance.
14th May '16 12:04:08 AM Doug86
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* ''AWizardInRhyme'' plays with this. Magic is treated as a neutral force that responds to any kind of symbol as a vehicle for the user's intent. Words aren't strictly necessary, but happen to be the most accessible, convenient, and reliable symbols to use, especially when arranged in verse. Thus, the use of verse is so prevalent that most spellcasters never bother with any other method.

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* ''AWizardInRhyme'' ''Literature/AWizardInRhyme'' plays with this. Magic is treated as a neutral force that responds to any kind of symbol as a vehicle for the user's intent. Words aren't strictly necessary, but happen to be the most accessible, convenient, and reliable symbols to use, especially when arranged in verse. Thus, the use of verse is so prevalent that most spellcasters never bother with any other method.
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