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15th Jun '16 8:53:25 PM nombretomado
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* The Alexander Kent ''RichardBolitho'' series.

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* The Alexander Kent ''RichardBolitho'' ''Literature/RichardBolitho'' series.



* The ''{{Temeraire}}'' series is basically this, except the ships are [[DragonRider talking dragons.]] There are plenty of the standard type as well. They frequently [[InterserviceRivalry do not get along well]] with the airborne versions, and one of the leads is a navy man adjusting to dragonback service.
* While David Eddings' ''{{Belgariad}}'' depicts life at sea rather romantically, its sequel, ''The Malloreon'', paints a considerably more grim picture of the conditions driving a sailor to desert his captain. It still involves a lot of "[[TalkLikeAPirate mateys]]", though.
* The ''LordRamage'' novels of Dudley Pope.

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* The ''{{Temeraire}}'' ''Literature/{{Temeraire}}'' series is basically this, except the ships are [[DragonRider talking dragons.]] There are plenty of the standard type as well. They frequently [[InterserviceRivalry do not get along well]] with the airborne versions, and one of the leads is a navy man adjusting to dragonback service.
* While David Eddings' ''{{Belgariad}}'' ''Literature/{{Belgariad}}'' depicts life at sea rather romantically, its sequel, ''The Malloreon'', paints a considerably more grim picture of the conditions driving a sailor to desert his captain. It still involves a lot of "[[TalkLikeAPirate mateys]]", though.
* The ''LordRamage'' ''Literature/LordRamage'' novels of Dudley Pope.
16th May '16 12:33:46 PM Eievie
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[[caption-width-right:300:"[[http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2005/10/battle-trafalgar/worrall-text England expects that every man will do his duty.]]"]]

->''"Heart of oak are our ships, jolly tars are our men.''\\
''We always are ready; steady, boys, steady.''\\
''We'll fight and we'll conquer again and again!"''

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[[caption-width-right:300:"[[http://ngm.[[caption-width-right:300:[[http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2005/10/battle-trafalgar/worrall-text England "England expects that every man will do his duty.]]"]]

->''"Heart
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->''Heart
of oak are our ships, jolly tars are our men.''\\
''We
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We
always are ready; steady, boys, steady.''\\
''We'll
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We'll
fight and we'll conquer again and again!"''again!''



Despite spending most of their life on the high seas, [[SuperDrowningSkills only a few sailors from this age could swim]]. Few captains cared to teach swimming to their men[[note]]though for the sake of cleanliness, impromptu shark-proof pools were occasionally rigged from a sail suspended in the water[[/note]], and the vast majority of sailors expected a quick death if falling into the sea - swimming would only serve to draw out their inevitable death if no help was forthcoming, as it often wasn't[[note]]what captain would halt a thousand-man ship-of-the-line-of-battle (something almost impossible to do quickly anyway) to rescue a single enlisted man who'd fallen overboard? Much less in the heat of battle?[[/note]]. The chronicles of 16th century sea-life describe swimming and free-diving as valued skills [[DancingBear because they were so rare]] - something true even in the heyday of this trope in the early nineteenth century. The state of swimming skills remained woeful at least partly because it was believed that teaching one's (largely press-ganged or shanghaied, and much-brutalised) ratings to swim would only encourage them to literally jump ship and desert when close to shore.

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Despite spending most of their life on the high seas, [[SuperDrowningSkills only a few sailors from this age could swim]]. Few captains cared to teach swimming to their men[[note]]though for the sake of cleanliness, impromptu shark-proof pools were occasionally rigged from a sail suspended in the water[[/note]], and the vast majority of sailors expected a quick death if falling into the sea - swimming sea--swimming would only serve to draw out their inevitable death if no help was forthcoming, as it often wasn't[[note]]what wasn't. [[note]]What captain would halt a thousand-man ship-of-the-line-of-battle (something almost impossible to do quickly anyway) to rescue a single enlisted man who'd fallen overboard? Much less in the heat of battle?[[/note]]. battle?[[/note]] The chronicles of 16th century sea-life describe swimming and free-diving as valued skills [[DancingBear because they were so rare]] - something rare]]--something true even in the heyday of this trope in the early nineteenth century. The state of swimming skills remained woeful at least partly because it was believed that teaching one's (largely press-ganged or shanghaied, and much-brutalised) ratings to swim would only encourage them to literally jump ship and desert when close to shore.



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12th Mar '16 5:40:19 AM Mhazard
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Not to be confused with the Avalon Hill BoardGame of the same name, which is [[OlderThanTheyThink where we got the trope name]], or with SchizoTech settings where wood ships coexist with PoweredArmor. The phrase shows up at least as far back as the [[http://books.google.com/books?id=8FACAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA14&dq=wooden+ships+and+iron+men late 19th century]], making it OlderThanRadio.

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Not to be confused with the Avalon Hill BoardGame of the same name, which is [[OlderThanTheyThink where we got the trope name]], or with SchizoTech settings where wood ships coexist with PoweredArmor.PoweredArmor, or with ''ComicBook/IronMan''. The phrase shows up at least as far back as the [[http://books.google.com/books?id=8FACAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA14&dq=wooden+ships+and+iron+men late 19th century]], making it OlderThanRadio.
22nd Feb '16 11:28:35 PM LBHills
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* ''Literature/ThePyrates'' parodies the glorification of the era by taking all its components UpToEleven.
19th Feb '16 10:31:55 AM PaulA
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* ''TreasureIsland'' in most of its incarnations.

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* ''TreasureIsland'' ''Literature/TreasureIsland'' in most of its incarnations.
11th Feb '16 6:28:25 PM jormis29
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* The classic 1956 version of ''Literature/MobyDick'' with Gregory Peck as Ahab.

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* The classic 1956 version of ''Literature/MobyDick'' ''Film/MobyDick'' with Gregory Peck as Ahab.
11th Feb '16 6:21:17 PM jormis29
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** ''VideoGame/EmpireTotalWar''is set in the Age of Sail and is notably the first game in the series to have fully realised naval battles. Interestingly, one of the ships available in ''Empire'' is an oar-and-sail powered ''galley'' [[SchizoTech with forward-facing cannons]].

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** ''VideoGame/EmpireTotalWar''is ''VideoGame/EmpireTotalWar'' is set in the Age of Sail and is notably the first game in the series to have fully realised naval battles. Interestingly, one of the ships available in ''Empire'' is an oar-and-sail powered ''galley'' [[SchizoTech with forward-facing cannons]].
24th Nov '15 2:10:07 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''HMSPinafore'' mocks the trope mercilessly. The parody begins already in the title, with a man-o'-war named after a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinafore garment for little girls]], and continues with a crew of completely sober sailors, a captain who doesn't swear and a First Sea Lord who insists on micromanaging everything in spite of never having been closer to the ocean than a [[IncrediblyLamePun partnership]] in a law firm.

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* ''HMSPinafore'' ''Theatre/HMSPinafore'' mocks the trope mercilessly. The parody begins already in the title, with a man-o'-war named after a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinafore garment for little girls]], and continues with a crew of completely sober sailors, a captain who doesn't swear and a First Sea Lord who insists on micromanaging everything in spite of never having been closer to the ocean than a [[IncrediblyLamePun partnership]] in a law firm.
23rd Nov '15 8:35:17 PM Doug86
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* ''Franchise/OnePiece'' has this as it's main setting. Though it ''appears'' to take place sometime around the 17th century It's somewhat warped by the surprisingly modern fashion choices and SchizoTech everywhere.

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* ''Franchise/OnePiece'' has this as it's its main setting. Though it ''appears'' to take place sometime around the 17th century It's somewhat warped by the surprisingly modern fashion choices and SchizoTech everywhere.



* Another JackLondon novel, ''TheSeaWolf'' definitely invokes the harsh conditions of sailing vessels, as told through the point of view of a gentleman, rescued from sea and force to work upon the ship.

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* Another JackLondon novel, ''TheSeaWolf'' ''Literature/TheSeaWolf'' definitely invokes the harsh conditions of sailing vessels, as told through the point of view of a gentleman, rescued from sea and force to work upon the ship.



* The {{Literature/Kydd}} series by [[http://julianstockwin.com Julian Stockwin]].

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* The {{Literature/Kydd}} Literature/{{Kydd}} series by [[http://julianstockwin.com Julian Stockwin]].



* ''[[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}} Warhammer 40,000]]'' is this trope RecycledInSpace as far as life on board Imperial Fleet ships goes.

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* ''[[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}} Warhammer 40,000]]'' ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' is this trope RecycledInSpace as far as life on board Imperial Fleet ships goes.
22nd Oct '15 3:22:54 PM margdean56
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Despite carrying most of their life on the high seas, [[SuperDrowningSkills only a few sailors from this age could swim]]. Few captains cared to teach swimming to their men[[note]]though for the sake of cleanliness, impromptu shark-proof pools were occasionally rigged from a sail suspended in the water[[/note]], and the vast majority of sailors expected a quick death if falling into the sea - swimming would only serve to draw out their inevitable death if no help was forthcoming, as if often wasn't[[note]]what captain would halt a thousand-man ship-of-the-line-of-battle (something almost impossible to do quickly anyway) to rescue a single enlisted man who'd fallen overboard? Much less in the heat of battle?[[/note]]. The chronicles of 16th century sea-life describe swimming and free-diving as valued skills [[DancingBear because they were so rare]] - something true even in the heyday of this trope in the early nineteenth-century. The state of swimming-skills remained woeful at least partly because it was believed that teaching one's (largely press-ganged or shanghai-ed, and much-brutalised) ratings to swim would only encourage them to literally jump ship and desert when close to shore.

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Despite carrying spending most of their life on the high seas, [[SuperDrowningSkills only a few sailors from this age could swim]]. Few captains cared to teach swimming to their men[[note]]though for the sake of cleanliness, impromptu shark-proof pools were occasionally rigged from a sail suspended in the water[[/note]], and the vast majority of sailors expected a quick death if falling into the sea - swimming would only serve to draw out their inevitable death if no help was forthcoming, as if it often wasn't[[note]]what captain would halt a thousand-man ship-of-the-line-of-battle (something almost impossible to do quickly anyway) to rescue a single enlisted man who'd fallen overboard? Much less in the heat of battle?[[/note]]. The chronicles of 16th century sea-life describe swimming and free-diving as valued skills [[DancingBear because they were so rare]] - something true even in the heyday of this trope in the early nineteenth-century. nineteenth century. The state of swimming-skills swimming skills remained woeful at least partly because it was believed that teaching one's (largely press-ganged or shanghai-ed, shanghaied, and much-brutalised) ratings to swim would only encourage them to literally jump ship and desert when close to shore.
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