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1st Jun '18 12:18:33 AM TheGreenHerring
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* In ''Film/MagnumForce'', the [[DirtyCop renegade cops]], whose idea of justice is premeditated murder of the accused, try to use this to make CowboyCop [[Film/DirtyHarry Harry Callahan]] join them: "Either you're for us, or you're against us."

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* In ''Film/MagnumForce'', the [[DirtyCop [[RabidCop renegade cops]], whose idea of justice is premeditated murder of the accused, try to use this to make CowboyCop [[Film/DirtyHarry Harry Callahan]] join them: "Either you're for us, or you're against us."
6th May '18 2:40:10 PM uoftroper
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**The irony in Obi-Wan's response is often pointed out, but this does illustrate a key difference between Jedi and Sith, even though Palpatine pointed out some of their similarities. The Jedi believe in absolute Good and Evil, but acknowledge that most people are neutral in this conflict and that asking everyone to be on the side of Good would be too much, thus them remaining neutral is a good compromise. The Sith compromise the distinction between Good and Evil because they only care about themselves or at best their family, but they hate or despise anyone who isn't helping them and are thus absolutists on the matter of their own self-interests. Anakin's sentence is in line with a Darksider's psychology, Obi-Wan's was not the most fitting but it doesn't mean as much about the Jedis' hypocrisy as many believe.
20th Feb '18 5:01:53 AM Vir
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* In the second part of the ''VideoGame/BioshockInfinite'' DLC ''Burial At Sea'', Elizabeth is making her way through the newly war-torn Rapture when Ryan gets wind of her and contacts her wondering what she is doing in the city and offers to let her fight for him. She makes it clear she's on her own mission and doesn't want anything to do with Rapture or his war. But Ryan, paranoid as always of outsiders, takes that to mean she's a "parasite" and sics his splicers on her.

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* In the second part of the ''VideoGame/BioshockInfinite'' ''VideoGame/BioShockInfinite'' DLC ''Burial At Sea'', Elizabeth is making her way through the newly war-torn Rapture when Ryan gets wind of her and contacts her wondering what she is doing in the city and offers to let her fight for him. She makes it clear she's on her own mission and doesn't want anything to do with Rapture or his war. But Ryan, paranoid as always of outsiders, takes that to mean she's a "parasite" and sics his splicers on her.
20th Feb '18 4:56:53 AM Vir
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* In ''VideoGame/PlaystationAllStarsBattleRoyale'':
** This is the reason for [[VideoGame/InFamous Good!Cole Macgrath]] starting up a rivalry with [[VideoGame/MetalGearRisingRevengeance Raiden.]]

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* In ''VideoGame/PlaystationAllStarsBattleRoyale'':
''VideoGame/PlayStationAllStarsBattleRoyale'':
** This is the reason for [[VideoGame/InFamous Good!Cole Macgrath]] MacGrath]] starting up a rivalry with [[VideoGame/MetalGearRisingRevengeance Raiden.]]
8th Feb '18 2:55:57 PM DLMaximum1
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* ''ComicBook/MightyAvengers2013:'' During ''Last Days'', Steve Rodgers declares as such to the Mighty Avengers. Either they're helping him hunt down the Illuminati, or they're the enemy. The team don't support either group, and decide to TakeAThirdOption.

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* ''ComicBook/MightyAvengers2013:'' During ''Last Days'', Steve Rodgers Rogers declares as such to the Mighty Avengers. Either they're helping him hunt down the Illuminati, or they're the enemy. The team don't support either group, and decide to TakeAThirdOption.
2nd Feb '18 12:37:16 PM Xtifr
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** The Atlantic Federation does this with regards to [[TheKingdom Orb]]. Orb has a mass driver, which the Atlantic Federation needs, so they give them this trope as an ultimatum[[note]]This was done mainly by Muruta Azrael; the other leaders of the Atlantic Federation were very reluctant to go along with it[[/note]]. It happens all over again in ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny'', (albeit done by [[WesternTerrorists Blue Cosmos]] / [[AncientConspiracy Logos]] this time) when the Destroy Gundam is unleashed on the western Eurasian Federation for being too sympathetic to ZAFT. Durandal also pulls this at the end of the series, stating that anyone who doesn't agree to his Destiny Plan is a threat to world peace, in with the aforementioned terrorists and deserve to be eliminated via KillSat.

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** The Atlantic Federation does this with regards to [[TheKingdom [[TheGoodKingdom Orb]]. Orb has a mass driver, which the Atlantic Federation needs, so they give them this trope as an ultimatum[[note]]This was done mainly by Muruta Azrael; the other leaders of the Atlantic Federation were very reluctant to go along with it[[/note]]. It happens all over again in ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny'', (albeit done by [[WesternTerrorists Blue Cosmos]] / [[AncientConspiracy Logos]] this time) when the Destroy Gundam is unleashed on the western Eurasian Federation for being too sympathetic to ZAFT. Durandal also pulls this at the end of the series, stating that anyone who doesn't agree to his Destiny Plan is a threat to world peace, in with the aforementioned terrorists and deserve to be eliminated via KillSat.
26th Jan '18 5:35:53 PM ZombieAladdin
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** In a different episode, Poison Ivy is also shown to have this view, and she also says the above sentence almost exactly the same way: Anyone who isn't treating plant life like they would their own children, to her, is someone who must be destroyed, hence why she is at odds with Batman before he even does anything.
6th Dec '17 6:47:49 AM Saber15
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* In ''[[Videogame/{{X}} X3: Albion Prelude]]'', the Terran Conflict has this in spades in the war zones. The two human factions, the [[HumanityIsAdvanced high-tech]] Earth State ("Terrans"), and their LostColony, the Argon Federation, are locked in a GuiltFreeExterminationWar. Even if you're a loved Guardian of Earth in the Solar system and celebrated Federation Marshall in Argon Prime, the Argon Federation navy will blow your ships up left and right in the conflict zone because the Terrans like you more. The same applies with the Terrans if your reputation is ever so slightly higher with the Argon. If you're neutral with both, they'll take turns blowing your crap up. However, outside of these war zones both sides will happily sell you battleships even if they just blew your stuff up two systems over.
20th Oct '17 8:44:24 AM Scorntex
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* ''ComicBook/TheTransformersMoreThanMeetsTheEye'': If all his other methods fail, [[{{Jerkass}} Prowl]] will try this option, even trying to use it on Ultra Magnus when the guy tries to call him on his BS before [[spoiler:Megatron's trial.]]
* ''ComicBook/MightyAvengers:'' During ''Last Days'', Steve Rodgers declares as such to the Mighty Avengers. Either they're helping him hunt down the Illuminati, or they're the enemy. The team don't support either group, and decide to TakeAThirdOption.

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* ''ComicBook/TheTransformersMoreThanMeetsTheEye'': ''ComicBook/TheTransformersMoreThanMeetsTheEye'':
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If all his other methods fail, [[{{Jerkass}} Prowl]] will try this option, even trying to use it on Ultra Magnus when the guy tries to call him on his BS before [[spoiler:Megatron's trial.]]
** Getaway, as well. [[spoiler:He spent a year going around the crew, asking who sympathised with Megatron, and who would side with Rodimus in a coup, wiping their memories if they gave an answer he didn't like. When the time comes, he has the people who disagreed kicked off the ship.]]
* ''ComicBook/MightyAvengers:'' ''ComicBook/MightyAvengers2013:'' During ''Last Days'', Steve Rodgers declares as such to the Mighty Avengers. Either they're helping him hunt down the Illuminati, or they're the enemy. The team don't support either group, and decide to TakeAThirdOption.
24th Sep '17 11:49:54 AM nombretomado
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* Belgarath defines the battle at the core of the ''[[{{Belgariad}} Malloreon]]'' as "them and us" at one point (as opposed to "good and evil", which he considers a dangerous game to start playing).

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* Belgarath defines the battle at the core of the ''[[{{Belgariad}} Malloreon]]'' ''Literature/TheMalloreon'' as "them and us" at one point (as opposed to "good and evil", which he considers a dangerous game to start playing).
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