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6th Dec '17 6:47:49 AM Saber15
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* In ''[[Videogame/{{X}} X3: Albion Prelude]]'', the Terran Conflict has this in spades in the war zones. The two human factions, the [[HumanityIsAdvanced high-tech]] Earth State ("Terrans"), and their LostColony, the Argon Federation, are locked in a GuiltFreeExterminationWar. Even if you're a loved Guardian of Earth in the Solar system and celebrated Federation Marshall in Argon Prime, the Argon Federation navy will blow your ships up left and right in the conflict zone because the Terrans like you more. The same applies with the Terrans if your reputation is ever so slightly higher with the Argon. If you're neutral with both, they'll take turns blowing your crap up. However, outside of these war zones both sides will happily sell you battleships even if they just blew your stuff up two systems over.
20th Oct '17 8:44:24 AM Scorntex
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* ''ComicBook/TheTransformersMoreThanMeetsTheEye'': If all his other methods fail, [[{{Jerkass}} Prowl]] will try this option, even trying to use it on Ultra Magnus when the guy tries to call him on his BS before [[spoiler:Megatron's trial.]]
* ''ComicBook/MightyAvengers:'' During ''Last Days'', Steve Rodgers declares as such to the Mighty Avengers. Either they're helping him hunt down the Illuminati, or they're the enemy. The team don't support either group, and decide to TakeAThirdOption.

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* ''ComicBook/TheTransformersMoreThanMeetsTheEye'': ''ComicBook/TheTransformersMoreThanMeetsTheEye'':
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If all his other methods fail, [[{{Jerkass}} Prowl]] will try this option, even trying to use it on Ultra Magnus when the guy tries to call him on his BS before [[spoiler:Megatron's trial.]]
** Getaway, as well. [[spoiler:He spent a year going around the crew, asking who sympathised with Megatron, and who would side with Rodimus in a coup, wiping their memories if they gave an answer he didn't like. When the time comes, he has the people who disagreed kicked off the ship.]]
* ''ComicBook/MightyAvengers:'' ''ComicBook/MightyAvengers2013:'' During ''Last Days'', Steve Rodgers declares as such to the Mighty Avengers. Either they're helping him hunt down the Illuminati, or they're the enemy. The team don't support either group, and decide to TakeAThirdOption.
24th Sep '17 11:49:54 AM nombretomado
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* Belgarath defines the battle at the core of the ''[[{{Belgariad}} Malloreon]]'' as "them and us" at one point (as opposed to "good and evil", which he considers a dangerous game to start playing).

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* Belgarath defines the battle at the core of the ''[[{{Belgariad}} Malloreon]]'' ''Literature/TheMalloreon'' as "them and us" at one point (as opposed to "good and evil", which he considers a dangerous game to start playing).
19th Sep '17 10:12:43 AM Necrodomo
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* Namm, the angelic god of justice from the ''VideoGame/NexusWar'' series, is so absorbed with the necessity of his war with the ManipulativeBastard demon lord Tlacolotl that he considers anyone not as dedicated to the war as he is to be a real or potential enemy. Casualties of this so far include mortals who haven't become angels fast enough, anyone who tries to sit the war out, angels who don't have perfect scores on the KarmaMeter, and [[spoiler:Azazel, another angelic deity]] who Namm didn't think was supporting him enough. Namm's attitude is the main [[DarkMessiah recruitment]] method for Tlacolotl, yet at the same time Tlacolotl really ''is'' enough of a threat to the universe that it's not clear whether Namm is actually wrong or not.
17th Jul '17 5:27:59 PM TheGreenHerring
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* In ''Film/MagnumForce'', the [[DirtyCop renegade cops]], whose idea of justice is premeditated murder of the accused, try to use this to make CowboyCop [[Film/DirtyHarry Harry Callahan]] join them: "Either you're for us, or you're against us."
--> '''Harry:''' I'm afraid you've misjudged me.
10th Jul '17 4:34:58 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'': The BigBad Loghain's game-long paranoia regarding Orlais ([[FantasyCounterpartCulture Fantasy Medieval France]]), and his conviction that they're using the [[WorldWreckingWave the Blight]] as a smokescreen to send in Grey Warden spies to infiltrate and retake Ferelden ([[FantasyCounterpartCulture Fantasy Medieval England]]) from within, becomes so intense by the end-game that he's ''convinced'' that you're either with him and thus the nation's continued freedom, or you're against Ferelden's independence and are an Orlesian spy/sympathizer.
* In ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'', tensions between the mages and the templars in Kirkwall reach a peak when [[spoiler:Anders blows up the Chantry]] that Hawke is forced to either side with the mages and protect them from the Templars or side with the Templars and exterminate the mages.
** By Act III, Meredith is so paranoid that she believes that anyone who disagrees with her is a blood mage's slave. She refuses to acknowledge the possibility that her fellow Templars might disagree with her entirely of their own free will. You're either with her, or with the blood mages. [[spoiler:This gets even more pronounced when she whips out her lyrium idol sword, which was the cause of Bartrand's insanity and also what pushes her to the edge.]]
** [[spoiler: By the end of the game, Anders has deteriorated to the point that anybody who does not explicitly share his exact opinions on mage freedom fighting is just as bad as an enemy. It's difficult to say how much of this is from Anders himself and how much comes from [[EnemyWithin Vengeance]].]]
* ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'': Sera claims to [[MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch dislikes elven culture's]] "us against them" attitude toward humans, yet ironically holds this view between nobles and commoners, and "elfy elves" verses everyone else. It also comes to a head in her romance with a [[PlayerCharacter Elven Inquisitor]], as [[spoiler:she'll force you to choose between your elfy beliefs or the relationship]].

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* ''Franchise/DragonAge'':
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''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'': The BigBad Loghain's game-long paranoia regarding Orlais ([[FantasyCounterpartCulture Fantasy Medieval France]]), and his conviction that they're using the [[WorldWreckingWave the Blight]] as a smokescreen to send in Grey Warden spies to infiltrate and retake Ferelden ([[FantasyCounterpartCulture Fantasy Medieval England]]) from within, becomes so intense by the end-game that he's ''convinced'' that you're either with him and thus the nation's continued freedom, or you're against Ferelden's independence and are an Orlesian spy/sympathizer.
* ** In ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'', tensions between the mages and the templars in Kirkwall reach a peak when [[spoiler:Anders blows up the Chantry]] that Hawke is forced to either side with the mages and protect them from the Templars or side with the Templars and exterminate the mages.
** *** By Act III, Meredith is so paranoid that she believes that anyone who disagrees with her is a blood mage's slave. She refuses to acknowledge the possibility that her fellow Templars might disagree with her entirely of their own free will. You're either with her, or with the blood mages. [[spoiler:This gets even more pronounced when she whips out her lyrium idol sword, which was the cause of Bartrand's insanity and also what pushes her to the edge.]]
** *** [[spoiler: By the end of the game, Anders has deteriorated to the point that anybody who does not explicitly share his exact opinions on mage freedom fighting is just as bad as an enemy. It's difficult to say how much of this is from Anders himself and how much comes from [[EnemyWithin Vengeance]].]]
* ** ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'': Sera claims to [[MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch dislikes elven culture's]] "us against them" attitude toward humans, yet ironically holds this view between nobles and commoners, and "elfy elves" verses everyone else. It also comes to a head in her romance with a [[PlayerCharacter Elven Inquisitor]], as [[spoiler:she'll force you to choose between your elfy beliefs or the relationship]].
8th Jul '17 6:43:33 PM nombretomado
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TruthInTelevision, as anyone who has gone to a FlameWar on a political or religious (or anti-religious) MessageBoard can attest. TheOtherWiki [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27re_either_with_us%2C_or_against_us can attest, too]]. The phrase "if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem" is frequently used as a more polite-sounding version that nonetheless amounts to the same thing.

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TruthInTelevision, as anyone who has gone to a FlameWar on a political or religious (or anti-religious) MessageBoard can attest. TheOtherWiki Wiki/TheOtherWiki [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27re_either_with_us%2C_or_against_us can attest, too]]. The phrase "if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem" is frequently used as a more polite-sounding version that nonetheless amounts to the same thing.



** Considering what happened to him (TheOtherWiki has a lot of information on that), this view becomes [[ItMakesSenseInContext understandable in hindsight.]]

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** Considering what happened to him (TheOtherWiki (Wiki/TheOtherWiki has a lot of information on that), this view becomes [[ItMakesSenseInContext understandable in hindsight.]]
3rd Jul '17 2:31:19 AM Nintendoman01
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* ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'': During the Future Trunks Saga, this is the reason [[spoiler:Goku Black and Future Zamasu [[KillTheGod killed all the gods]] in Future Trunks' timeline. As Black explains, he knew that none of the other gods would ever support or understand his plans or ideals, so they had to die to prevent them from trying to stop him.]]
22nd Apr '17 12:11:34 PM DeathorCake
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** Pretty much the exact opposite situation occurred with the Forge World of Xana II. While a hive of scum and villainy by Forge World standards, they decided to stay neutral during the Heresy as they already had significant territory and stood to gain little. The Warmaster secured their support with promises of relics and freedom of research, and they promised him [[WaveMotionGun Ordinatus Minoris Engines]] in return. The Loyalists attacked just as the handover began, and although they succeeded in destroying or capturing all three Ordinatii, the assault both got their Navy Battlegroup shot to hell by the Xanatite defense fleet and broke open the high-security prison of Anacharis Scoria, Dark Archmagos. Taking command of the defence with his personal force of [[MadScientist enhanced combat robots]] he annihilated over half of the [[SpaceMarine Astartes]] assault force and committed the planet firmly to the Traitor cause, where it has supplied the Traitor Legions for over ten thousand years. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Good job, Dark Angels]].
18th Apr '17 12:46:17 PM BeerBaron
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--> '''Balgruuf (paraphrased)''': To not fight with him is to side against him!

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--> ----> '''Balgruuf (paraphrased)''': To "To not fight with him is to side against him!him!"



--> [[spoiler:'''Delphine''']]: It's your choice Dragonborn: us or him.

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--> ----> [[spoiler:'''Delphine''']]: It's "It's your choice Dragonborn: us or him."
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