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18th Oct '17 2:57:15 PM LovePsychothefirst
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** Luke himself is typically quite abrasive toward his companions (even Ion and Mieu, the only two people who put up with him no matter what he does), refuses to admit that he is wrong or that Van is in any way untrustworthy and is also quite selfish (he wants to save Akzeriuth Van's way because it will make him a hero and because Van promised to take him to Daath). [[spoiler:Of course, he's actually ''seven'' so his entire character during that point makes unfortunate sense.]] [[TookALevelInKindness He gets better]], to the point of being the ''nicest'' person in the entire game (discounting Ion).

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** Luke himself is typically quite abrasive toward his companions (even Ion [[MoralityPet Ion]] and Mieu, the only two people who put up with him no matter what he does), refuses to admit that he is wrong or that Van is in any way untrustworthy and is also quite selfish (he wants to save Akzeriuth Van's way because it will make him a hero and because Van promised to take him to Daath). [[spoiler:Of course, he's actually ''seven'' so his entire character during that point makes unfortunate sense.]] [[TookALevelInKindness He gets better]], to the point of being the ''nicest'' person in the entire game (discounting Ion).Ion).
** They don't really get away from this trope until the end game either as they continue to treat Luke as the ButtMonkey and keep various secrets and avoid talking about their problems. A stand out example is [[spoiler: the fact Anise is TheMole and the consequences of her being such.]]
8th Oct '17 7:00:34 PM Malady
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* ''Series/FriendOrFoe'': This game show, which aired on GameShowNetwork in the late 1990s and early 2000s, was built on this trope. Simply put, teams of two contestants each worked together to answer questions and earn cash. At the end of each elimination round, assuming the last-place team had earned any cash, the team that was being eliminated got to decide whether they wanted to split their earnings ... but the catch was they made their decision separately, setting up the trope. If they wanted to split, they said "Friend," but if they wanted to keep all the money for themselves, they marked "Foe." Thus, one contestant saying "Friend" and the other marking "Foe" meant only the contestant who chose "Foe" kept the money ... thus fitting the "backstabbing" aspect of this trope. (Incidentally, the team split the money 50-50 for a double "Friend" and lost everything on a double "Foe.")

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* ''Series/FriendOrFoe'': This game show, which aired on GameShowNetwork [[Creator/{{GSN}} Game Show Network]] in the late 1990s and early 2000s, was built on this trope. Simply put, teams of two contestants each worked together to answer questions and earn cash. At the end of each elimination round, assuming the last-place team had earned any cash, the team that was being eliminated got to decide whether they wanted to split their earnings ... but the catch was they made their decision separately, setting up the trope. If they wanted to split, they said "Friend," but if they wanted to keep all the money for themselves, they marked "Foe." Thus, one contestant saying "Friend" and the other marking "Foe" meant only the contestant who chose "Foe" kept the money ... thus fitting the "backstabbing" aspect of this trope. (Incidentally, the team split the money 50-50 for a double "Friend" and lost everything on a double "Foe.")



* Col and Frank from ''TheAdventuresOfLanoAndWoodley'', though this is one-sided (i.e. Col -> Frank).

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* Col and Frank from ''TheAdventuresOfLanoAndWoodley'', ''Series/TheAdventuresOfLanoAndWoodley'', though this is one-sided (i.e. Col -> Frank).
20th Aug '17 12:17:31 PM Kissinger113
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* ''WesternAnimation/RockosModernLife'': Heffer and Filburt can be like this to Rocko in their less sympathetic moments. In one episode, Heffer gives Rocko a truly horrible makeshift birthday present, and Filburt tries to exploit ensuing [[FeudEpisode feud]] on daytime television.

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* ''WesternAnimation/RockosModernLife'': Heffer and Filburt can be like this to Rocko in their less sympathetic moments. In one episode, Heffer gives Rocko a truly horrible makeshift birthday present, and Filburt tries to exploit their ensuing [[FeudEpisode feud]] on daytime television.
9th Aug '17 9:14:11 AM xcountryguy
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* SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker and Penguin, believe it or not. Between regularly scheduled betrayal, multiple acts of attempted murder, and verbal and physical abuse (both men seem to really enjoy watching each other suffer), they still insist they're friends. Joker even cried when he thought Penguin had died and worked with Batman to catch the culprit. [[spoiler: When he found out Penguin was FakingTheDead he did try to murder him for real, but this being the Joker the Penguin was lucky it was only a token attempt.]]

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* SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker and Penguin, believe it or not. Between regularly scheduled betrayal, multiple acts of attempted murder, and verbal and physical abuse (both men seem to really enjoy watching each other suffer), they still insist they're friends. Joker even cried when he thought Penguin had died and worked with Batman to catch the culprit. [[spoiler: When [[spoiler:When he found out Penguin was FakingTheDead he did try to murder him for real, but this being the Joker the Penguin was lucky it was only a token attempt.]]



* Hector to Jeremy from ''ComicStrip/{{Zits}}''. Most of times, he isn't very supportive, preferring to be a DeadpanSnarker instead. Not very helpful for Jeremy's self-esteem. Emblematic in this sense, the series of strips in which both guys do an IQ test, and Jeremy scores only 38. All that Hector (who scored 108) can say in response to depression of a friend, is more or less: "[[JerkAss Hey, what should I say, I have an underdeveloped as friend.]]". [[spoiler: For the record, at last Jeremy discovers that the test is not reliable at all: his father did the test too, and he scored a little bit too high, for a guy who doesn't even know how to use a computer.]]

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* Hector to Jeremy from ''ComicStrip/{{Zits}}''. Most of times, he isn't very supportive, preferring to be a DeadpanSnarker instead. Not very helpful for Jeremy's self-esteem. Emblematic in this sense, the series of strips in which both guys do an IQ test, and Jeremy scores only 38. All that Hector (who scored 108) can say in response to depression of a friend, is more or less: "[[JerkAss Hey, what should I say, I have an underdeveloped as friend.]]". [[spoiler: For [[spoiler:For the record, at last Jeremy discovers that the test is not reliable at all: his father did the test too, and he scored a little bit too high, for a guy who doesn't even know how to use a computer.]]



* In ''Literature/TheSecretHistory'', Henry and Bunny are thought to be best friends. [[spoiler: Henry engineers Bunny's murder in the middle of the book.]] The rest of the main characters, despite being a near-impenetrable clique of supposed friends, aren't exactly models of love and caring either. Possibly the constant scheming makes it difficult to trust each other...

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* In ''Literature/TheSecretHistory'', Henry and Bunny are thought to be best friends. [[spoiler: Henry [[spoiler:Henry engineers Bunny's murder in the middle of the book.]] The rest of the main characters, despite being a near-impenetrable clique of supposed friends, aren't exactly models of love and caring either. Possibly the constant scheming makes it difficult to trust each other...



* A.J. Literature/{{Raffles}} often treats his faithful sidekick and chronicler, Bunny, less than kindly. [[spoiler: But he does eventually admit that Bunny's utterly dependable in a crunch.]]

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* A.J. Literature/{{Raffles}} often treats his faithful sidekick and chronicler, Bunny, less than kindly. [[spoiler: But [[spoiler:But he does eventually admit that Bunny's utterly dependable in a crunch.]]



* ''Literature/{{Schooled}}'': Hugh Winkleman, who demonstrates that being a middle-school outcast does ''not'' make you a nice guy. Instead of warning his new (and only) friend [[TheHero Cap]] about being bullied, he uses Cap to shield himself from abuse, although he admits to not being proud of it. [[spoiler: When Cap starts gaining popularity, Hugh jealously turns on him and sets him up get to get brutally tackled by the football team. Hugh then takes advantage of rumors of Cap's death to manipulate the student body into liking him]].

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* ''Literature/{{Schooled}}'': Hugh Winkleman, who demonstrates that being a middle-school outcast does ''not'' make you a nice guy. Instead of warning his new (and only) friend [[TheHero Cap]] about being bullied, he uses Cap to shield himself from abuse, although he admits to not being proud of it. [[spoiler: When [[spoiler:When Cap starts gaining popularity, Hugh jealously turns on him and sets him up get to get brutally tackled by the football team. Hugh then takes advantage of rumors of Cap's death to manipulate the student body into liking him]].



** This is briefly subverted in the episodes immediately following [[spoiler: Amber's death]]. House's seeming insensitive to Wilson's pain and ducking his responsibility for what happened lead Wilson to tell him, "We're not friends, House. I'm not sure we ever were."

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** This is briefly subverted in the episodes immediately following [[spoiler: Amber's [[spoiler:Amber's death]]. House's seeming insensitive to Wilson's pain and ducking his responsibility for what happened lead Wilson to tell him, "We're not friends, House. I'm not sure we ever were."



* Hyde to Eric in ''Series/That70sShow'' (one sided), and to Kelso, whose {{Jerkass}} tendencies are at least as strong as Hyde's own. In one episode Kelso takes the gang out to eat, but plans to skip out on the check. One by one, everyone leaves, until Donna and Eric are stuck paying the bill. They get their "friends" back by [[spoiler: making them "special" brownies with laxatives in them.]]

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* Hyde to Eric in ''Series/That70sShow'' (one sided), and to Kelso, whose {{Jerkass}} tendencies are at least as strong as Hyde's own. In one episode Kelso takes the gang out to eat, but plans to skip out on the check. One by one, everyone leaves, until Donna and Eric are stuck paying the bill. They get their "friends" back by [[spoiler: making [[spoiler:making them "special" brownies with laxatives in them.]]



** And is it arguable that this also applies to Blackadder and Captain Darling from Blackadder Goes Forth. They hate each other, Blackadder envious of his cushy job miles from the trenches and constantly picks on and riles him, yet it is implied that they do know each other well and were possible friends before the war. Their strange friendship is shown the strongest in the final episode ''Goodbyeeee'', where [[spoiler: not only do Blackadder, George and Baldrick fail to escape 'going over the top', but Captain Darling is also sent by Melchette to join them, and he and Blackadder seemingly bury the hatchet minutes before going to their deaths]]

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** And is it arguable that this also applies to Blackadder and Captain Darling from Blackadder Goes Forth. They hate each other, Blackadder envious of his cushy job miles from the trenches and constantly picks on and riles him, yet it is implied that they do know each other well and were possible friends before the war. Their strange friendship is shown the strongest in the final episode ''Goodbyeeee'', where [[spoiler: not [[spoiler:not only do Blackadder, George and Baldrick fail to escape 'going over the top', but Captain Darling is also sent by Melchette to join them, and he and Blackadder seemingly bury the hatchet minutes before going to their deaths]]



** One could argue that until his most recent incarnation (that is to say, 11th), this defined the relationship between River and the Doctor. Ten saw her as an incredibly vexing interruption which she found highly amusing [[spoiler: because she already knows about him while he doesn't know her. [[MindScrew Reversed parallel timelines]], you see..]].

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** One could argue that until his most recent incarnation (that is to say, 11th), this defined the relationship between River and the Doctor. Ten saw her as an incredibly vexing interruption which she found highly amusing [[spoiler: because [[spoiler:because she already knows about him while he doesn't know her. [[MindScrew Reversed parallel timelines]], you see..]].



* ''Series/TheGoldenGirls'' often verged on this. For one example, in "The Artist" Blanche, Rose and Dorothy lie to each other repeatedly, fight over the same man ([[spoiler: who turns out to be gay, but they don't know that]]), and spend the whole episode basically calling each other old, fat and ugly, only for the artist at the end to commend them on what wonderful friends they are.

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* ''Series/TheGoldenGirls'' often verged on this. For one example, in "The Artist" Blanche, Rose and Dorothy lie to each other repeatedly, fight over the same man ([[spoiler: who ([[spoiler:who turns out to be gay, but they don't know that]]), and spend the whole episode basically calling each other old, fat and ugly, only for the artist at the end to commend them on what wonderful friends they are.



* ''Theatre/{{Hamlet}}'' has the title character's "old friends" Rosencratz and Guildenstern, who have no trouble spying on their friend for his uncle/stepfather. Hamlet, in turn, has no trouble [[spoiler: forging his uncle's orders to have England kill them in his place.]]

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* ''Theatre/{{Hamlet}}'' has the title character's "old friends" Rosencratz and Guildenstern, who have no trouble spying on their friend for his uncle/stepfather. Hamlet, in turn, has no trouble [[spoiler: forging [[spoiler:forging his uncle's orders to have England kill them in his place.]]



** Luke himself is typically quite abrasive toward his companions (even Ion and Mieu, the only two people who put up with him no matter what he does), refuses to admit that he is wrong or that Van is in any way untrustworthy and is also quite selfish (he wants to save Akzeriuth Van's way because it will make him a hero and because Van promised to take him to Daath). [[spoiler: Of course, he's actually ''seven'' so his entire character during that point makes unfortunate sense.]] [[TookALevelInKindness He gets better]], to the point of being the ''nicest'' person in the entire game (discounting Ion).

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** Luke himself is typically quite abrasive toward his companions (even Ion and Mieu, the only two people who put up with him no matter what he does), refuses to admit that he is wrong or that Van is in any way untrustworthy and is also quite selfish (he wants to save Akzeriuth Van's way because it will make him a hero and because Van promised to take him to Daath). [[spoiler: Of [[spoiler:Of course, he's actually ''seven'' so his entire character during that point makes unfortunate sense.]] [[TookALevelInKindness He gets better]], to the point of being the ''nicest'' person in the entire game (discounting Ion).



* Quoted words by words in ''VisualNovel/ApolloJusticeAceAttorney'' regarding the relationship between Phoenix Wright and Kristoph Gavin, as the former tries to pin the later for a murder charge while the later desperately tries to make Phoenix to look as bad as possible. [[spoiler: In the flashback case, Kristoph is the one who manipulated his friend into losing his career, meaning the bad bloods have been maintained over years before Phoenix finally has an opportunity to take revenge.]]

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* Quoted words by words in ''VisualNovel/ApolloJusticeAceAttorney'' regarding the relationship between Phoenix Wright and Kristoph Gavin, as the former tries to pin the later for a murder charge while the later desperately tries to make Phoenix to look as bad as possible. [[spoiler: In [[spoiler:In the flashback case, Kristoph is the one who manipulated his friend into losing his career, meaning the bad bloods have been maintained over years before Phoenix finally has an opportunity to take revenge.]]



** Whichever Freelancer is currently hanging out with the Reds and Blues. Whether it's Tex with her constant backstabbing, Wash working out his psychoses, or [[spoiler: Carolina]], the Freelancers are always at least as much trouble as help. Except the ones they're fighting, who are at least as much help as trouble. The Reds and Blues are some of the worst-ranked soldiers humanity hasn't kicked out of their militaries, and the Freelancers are each a OneManArmy.

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** Whichever Freelancer is currently hanging out with the Reds and Blues. Whether it's Tex with her constant backstabbing, Wash working out his psychoses, or [[spoiler: Carolina]], [[spoiler:Carolina]], the Freelancers are always at least as much trouble as help. Except the ones they're fighting, who are at least as much help as trouble. The Reds and Blues are some of the worst-ranked soldiers humanity hasn't kicked out of their militaries, and the Freelancers are each a OneManArmy.



* While [[WebVideo/WhereTheBearsAre the bears]] always make up when they fight, they are occasionally ''horrible'' to each other. Examples include [[spoiler: Reggie having jailhouse sex with the serial killer who tried to murder Nelson, and Wood neglecting to tell Nelson that said serial killer had escaped from prison months ago.]]

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* While [[WebVideo/WhereTheBearsAre the bears]] always make up when they fight, they are occasionally ''horrible'' to each other. Examples include [[spoiler: Reggie [[spoiler:Reggie having jailhouse sex with the serial killer who tried to murder Nelson, and Wood neglecting to tell Nelson that said serial killer had escaped from prison months ago.]]



* ''WesternAnimation/EdEddNEddy'': In later seasons, Eddy and the other two Eds. It finally entered {{Deconstruction}} territory in TheMovie WesternAnimation/EdEddNEddysBigPictureShow where Edd begins to question his friendship with Eddy. [[spoiler: Eddy (and Ed) finally cross the line when they play a DudeNotFunny joke by pretending to drown. Edd and Eddy get into a fight and after Edd throws Eddy off of him, he snaps and says that [[SCrewThisImOuttaHere he would rather face the consequences of his actions,]] than to hang around with a "so-called friend," thus ending his friendship with Eddy. Then finally enters {{Reconstruction}} with Eddy ends up feeling remorse for his actions and cries. Edd ends up forgiving Eddy and they both reconcile.]]

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* ''WesternAnimation/EdEddNEddy'': In later seasons, Eddy and the other two Eds. It finally entered {{Deconstruction}} territory in TheMovie WesternAnimation/EdEddNEddysBigPictureShow where Edd begins to question his friendship with Eddy. [[spoiler: Eddy [[spoiler:Eddy (and Ed) finally cross the line when they play a DudeNotFunny joke by pretending to drown. Edd and Eddy get into a fight and after Edd throws Eddy off of him, he snaps and says that [[SCrewThisImOuttaHere he would rather face the consequences of his actions,]] than to hang around with a "so-called friend," thus ending his friendship with Eddy. Then finally enters {{Reconstruction}} with Eddy ends up feeling remorse for his actions and cries. Edd ends up forgiving Eddy and they both reconcile.]]



** Josee gets away with a lot of abuse towards Jacques thanks to DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale. [[spoiler: It [[TheDogBitesBack comes back to bite her in the ass]] later on.]]

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** Josee gets away with a lot of abuse towards Jacques thanks to DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale. [[spoiler: It [[spoiler:It [[TheDogBitesBack comes back to bite her in the ass]] later on.]]
2nd Aug '17 2:49:45 PM WKennedy334
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* ''WesternAnimation/SonicSATAM'':
** Sonic and Antoine Antoine acts like a [[FrenchJerk stuck-up jerk]] towards Sonic a lot, and Sonic constantly insults Antoine. While Sonic does show that he cares about [[TrueCompanions Sally, Tails, Rotor, and Bunnie]], it's really hard to tell if he even cares about Antoine.

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* ''WesternAnimation/SonicSATAM'':
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''WesternAnimation/SonicSATAM'': Sonic and Antoine Antoine. Antoine acts like a [[FrenchJerk stuck-up jerk]] towards Sonic a lot, and Sonic constantly insults Antoine. While Sonic does show that he cares about [[TrueCompanions Sally, Tails, Rotor, and Bunnie]], it's really hard to tell if he even cares about Antoine.



* ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'':
** Cartman versus everyone else. He takes this further than most cases of this trope, as Cartman has [[UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist almost no redeeming qualities]]. Also uncommon for the trope, the other characters will flat out tell Cartman that he is a monster.\\
Not only do they state he's a horrible person but that they all hate him and the only reason he was ever with anyone was that they thought he was just always following them or that he was with someone else. After realizing this they decided to ignore him completely.

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* ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'':
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''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'': Cartman versus everyone else. He takes this further than most cases of this trope, as Cartman has [[UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist almost no redeeming qualities]]. Also uncommon for the trope, the other characters will flat out tell Cartman that he is a monster.\\
monster.
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Not only do they state he's a horrible person but that they all hate him and the only reason he was ever with anyone was that they thought he was just always following them or that he was with someone else. After realizing this they decided to ignore him completely.
22nd Jun '17 8:54:55 PM Linda58
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* Discussed in ''[[http://archiveofourown.org/works/5710513/chapters/13155583 Renegades]]''. By this point in the ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' timeline, Oliver has thrown Laurel's addiction struggles in her face twice (including telling her to drink herself to death), been completely unsupportive when she was starting as the Black Canary, and has said ''very'' demeaning things to her. Laurel at one point laments to Felicity how bad her relationship with him has become
-->'''Felicity:''' He just snaps at you and gets so angry with you. Heís not like that with anyone else. We all see it. I donít know why, but I want to believe it comes from some place of caring about you. If he didnít care he wouldnít be so angry, right?
-->'''Laurel:''' It was hard, at first, to let go of the idea that he would ever be there for me the way I had been there for him and his family. I thought I was doing so well, until tonight. No one has ever been able to cut me down like he can.
** To his credit, Oliver later admits he's been a terrible friend to her for awhile now, and starts treating her like an actual friend.
7th Jun '17 11:31:00 AM erforce
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* Franchise/StarWars has R2-D2 and C-3PO.

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* Franchise/StarWars ''Franchise/StarWars'' has R2-D2 and C-3PO.



* It's hard to call ''Film/BadBoys'' a [[BuddyCopShow Buddy Cop film]], since Mike and Marcus spend so much time fighting and throwing insults at each other, with few moments of peace and friendship. In ''Bad Boys II'', on the other hand, they're practically HeterosexualLifePartners.

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* It's hard to call ''Film/BadBoys'' a [[BuddyCopShow Buddy Cop film]], since Mike and Marcus spend so much time fighting and throwing insults at each other, with few moments of peace and friendship. In ''Bad Boys II'', ''Film/BadBoysII'', on the other hand, they're practically HeterosexualLifePartners.



* [[BigEater Meeko]] and [[ButtMonkey Percy]] (somehow) become friends at the end of Disney/{{Pocahontas}}. Enter the DirectToVideo [[{{Sequelitis}} sequel]], and [[{{Jerkass}} Meeko]] is still tormenting Percy by stealing his food.

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* [[BigEater Meeko]] and [[ButtMonkey Percy]] (somehow) become friends at the end of Disney/{{Pocahontas}}.''Disney/{{Pocahontas}}''. Enter the DirectToVideo [[{{Sequelitis}} sequel]], and [[{{Jerkass}} Meeko]] is still tormenting Percy by stealing his food.
2nd Jun '17 3:09:22 PM Skylentt
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* ''Manga/DGrayman'' Kanda is like this with the few people who can put up with him. Lavi seems to enjoy his company, having fun teasing him while Kanda keeps insulting and threatening him. He is a bit softer with Lenalee but often makes very crude comments to her. Then there is a very odd case with Allen with whom they are TrueCompagnons while ''''Genuinely''' hating each others.

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* ''Manga/DGrayman'' Kanda is like this with the few people who can put up with him. Lavi seems to enjoy his company, having fun teasing him while Kanda keeps insulting and threatening him. He is a bit softer with Lenalee but often makes very crude comments to her. Then there is a very odd case with Allen with whom they are TrueCompagnons while ''''Genuinely''' ''Genuinely hating '' each others.
2nd Jun '17 3:08:39 PM Skylentt
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* ''Manga/DGrayman'' Kanda is like this with the few people who can put up with him. Lavi seems to enjoy his company, having fun teasing him while Kanda keeps insulting and threatening him. He is a bit softer with Lenalee but often makes very crude comments to her. Then there is a very odd case with Allen with whom they are TrueCompagnons while ''''Genuinely''' hating each others.
26th May '17 10:01:39 PM Octoya
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* Talia and Brody in ''ComicBook/BrodysGhost''; the former is pushy, snarky, turns Brody's life completely upside down, [[spoiler:lies to him and cruelly manipulates him,]] and the latter is crusty, often unsympathetic, and constantly bemoaning running into the former. Somehow, they remain friends [[spoiler:even at the end of the series. Sort of.]]
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