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19th Mar '17 1:28:42 PM AlleyOop
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** Prompto gets it the worst of the lot, being that he's the ButtMonkey and a skinny short blond {{Keet}} with [[StepfordSmiler genuine self-confidence issues beneath his extroverted persona]]. However he does eventually overcome them with a little pushing from his friends, and can snap back when pushed enough. And while the game indicates he's the poorest fighter of the team, it's because he lacks their formal combat training, not because he's physically delicate. In fact [[AllThereInTheManual the anime]] shows him exercising vigorously, to the point he actually has ''more'' visible muscle definition than [[MusclesAreMeaningless Noctis]] does. However fangirls frequently gloss over this and exaggerate him into a spineless frail weepy mess and literal DamselInDistress who falls apart without Noctis's constant validation, leading to hot steamy sex which frequently ends in Prompto [[MisterSeahorse becoming pregnant]].

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** Prompto gets it the worst of the lot, being that he's the ButtMonkey and a skinny short blond {{Keet}} with who kinda looks like Cloud Strife. He does [[StepfordSmiler have genuine self-confidence issues beneath his extroverted persona]]. However he does persona]], but eventually overcome overcomes them with a little pushing from his friends, and can snap back only ever cries in the game ''once'' (during a time when pushed enough. literally everyone else is too), and is plenty capable of taking and dishing snark in equal measure. And while the game indicates he's the poorest fighter of the team, it's because he lacks their has the least formal combat training, not because he's physically delicate. In fact [[AllThereInTheManual the anime]] shows him exercising he exercises vigorously, to the point he actually has ''more'' visible muscle definition than [[MusclesAreMeaningless Noctis]] does.Noctis]]. However fangirls frequently gloss over this and exaggerate him into a spineless frail weepy mess and literal DamselInDistress who falls apart without Noctis's constant validation, leading to hot steamy sex which frequently ends in Prompto [[MisterSeahorse becoming pregnant]].



** Ignis also gets a lot of it. In game he's the resident chef whose job is to be Noctis's adviser and caretaker, and does so with gusto. Likewise it's popular to interpret him as the TeamMom to Gladio's TeamDad. However in fanfiction this is warped into him becoming a ''literal'' housewife or mother figure to the other characters, even though he can be quite firm with the others when they step out of line, their own feelings be damned.

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** Ignis also gets a lot of it. In game he's the resident chef whose job is to be Noctis's adviser and caretaker, and does so with gusto. Likewise it's popular to interpret him as the TeamMom to Gladio's TeamDad. However in fanfiction this is warped into him becoming a ''literal'' housewife or mother figure to the other characters, characters (despite being no more than two years older than Noctis and Prompto), even though he can be quite firm with the others when they step out of line, their own feelings be damned.
18th Mar '17 2:16:34 PM nombretomado
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* Barney Stinson in ''Series/HowIMetYourMother'' fics. In canon, he's hyper-masculine, pushy, forceful, extremely insensitive, loud-mouthed, aggressively seductive, personal-space-invading, and specializes in actively getting women into bed, not the other way around, hates losing control, and is repelled by intimacy. With Robin, the nature of his canon feelings for her might excuse an exception, but most slash involving him is with Ted, which makes his ukefication even stranger, since nearly all his HoYay-ish moments with Ted involve Barney as the forward, demanding, overbearing instigator (which slashers can interpret as 'seductive') while Ted is either resistant or passive. In fics, of course, Barney's often a weepy, delicate, emotional, clingy thing with virginal vibes who's so hurt by any standoffish-ness from nasty old Ted/Robin/[[LauncherOfAThousandShips whoever's screwing him today]]. Perhaps fic writers think NeilPatrickHarris is just too good-looking to be in the "man's" position.

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* Barney Stinson in ''Series/HowIMetYourMother'' fics. In canon, he's hyper-masculine, pushy, forceful, extremely insensitive, loud-mouthed, aggressively seductive, personal-space-invading, and specializes in actively getting women into bed, not the other way around, hates losing control, and is repelled by intimacy. With Robin, the nature of his canon feelings for her might excuse an exception, but most slash involving him is with Ted, which makes his ukefication even stranger, since nearly all his HoYay-ish moments with Ted involve Barney as the forward, demanding, overbearing instigator (which slashers can interpret as 'seductive') while Ted is either resistant or passive. In fics, of course, Barney's often a weepy, delicate, emotional, clingy thing with virginal vibes who's so hurt by any standoffish-ness from nasty old Ted/Robin/[[LauncherOfAThousandShips whoever's screwing him today]]. Perhaps fic writers think NeilPatrickHarris Creator/NeilPatrickHarris is just too good-looking to be in the "man's" position.
21st Feb '17 1:55:11 AM AlleyOop
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* It was bound to happen with ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXV'', given that the main party is a CastFullOfPrettyBoys with HoYay.
** Prompto gets it the worst of the lot, being that he's the ButtMonkey and a skinny short blond {{Keet}} with [[StepfordSmiler genuine self-confidence issues beneath his extroverted persona]]. However he does eventually overcome them with a little pushing from his friends, and can snap back when pushed enough. And while the game indicates he's the poorest fighter of the team, it's because he lacks their formal combat training, not because he's physically delicate. In fact [[AllThereInTheManual the anime]] shows him exercising vigorously, to the point he actually has ''more'' visible muscle definition than [[MusclesAreMeaningless Noctis]] does. However fangirls frequently gloss over this and exaggerate him into a spineless frail weepy mess and literal DamselInDistress who falls apart without Noctis's constant validation, leading to hot steamy sex which frequently ends in Prompto [[MisterSeahorse becoming pregnant]].
*** Not that Noctis gets it so great in these fics either. His own canonical issues with inadequacy and shyness are ignored in favor of turning him into a bland PrinceCharming RelationshipSue to compliment Prompto's self-insert status.
** Ignis also gets a lot of it. In game he's the resident chef whose job is to be Noctis's adviser and caretaker, and does so with gusto. Likewise it's popular to interpret him as the TeamMom to Gladio's TeamDad. However in fanfiction this is warped into him becoming a ''literal'' housewife or mother figure to the other characters, even though he can be quite firm with the others when they step out of line, their own feelings be damned.
12th Feb '17 2:03:27 PM Wyldchyld
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** In the worst case scenario, Critic is usually reduced to getting raped/having to give blowjobs or playing the DistressedDude. Partly because the authors find it [[ButtMonkey funny]] or [[FetishFuel hot]] to crush him completely and leave him like that, so it's not quite as horrible as some other examples.

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** In the worst case scenario, Critic is usually reduced to getting raped/having to give blowjobs or playing the DistressedDude. Partly because the authors find it [[ButtMonkey funny]] or [[FetishFuel hot]] hot to crush him completely and leave him like that, so it's not quite as horrible as some other examples.
26th Jan '17 12:41:49 PM RoseAndHeather
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So you like a television show which features a male character named Bob [[HomoeroticSubtext who has]] [[HoYay (or seems to have)]] subtle sexual tension with another male character, Charlie. Bob's a [[TheBigGuy Big Guy]] who takes no guff from anyone and will pull a gun on anyone who deserves it. You like the show, so you idly open up a FanFic by some author named {{Yaoi| Fan Girl}}[[MostFanFicWritersAreGirls Grrl33]] and--huh? The ass-kicking character you liked so much has consummated his sexual attraction with Charlie, but in the process he has somehow become a submissive NonActionGuy. Bob is now prone to {{Luminescent Blush}}es and shaky sighs whenever Charlie so much as looks at him, gives hesitant and protracted confessions about past traumas, and -- when he finally does shoot an attacker to save Charlie's life -- [[BleedEmAndWeep drops his gun and breaks down crying]]. [[FlatWhat What.]]

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So you like a television show which features a male character named Bob [[HomoeroticSubtext who has]] [[HoYay (or seems to have)]] subtle sexual tension with another male character, Charlie. Bob's a [[TheBigGuy Big Guy]] who takes no guff from anyone and will pull a gun on anyone who deserves it. You like the show, so you idly open up a FanFic by some author named {{Yaoi| Fan Girl}}[[MostFanFicWritersAreGirls Grrl33]] and--huh? The ass-kicking character you liked so much has consummated his sexual attraction with Charlie, but in the process he has somehow become a submissive NonActionGuy. Bob is now prone to {{Luminescent Blush}}es and shaky sighs whenever Charlie so much as looks at him, gives hesitant and protracted confessions about past traumas, and -- when he finally does shoot an attacker to save Charlie's life -- [[BleedEmAndWeep drops his gun and breaks down crying]].

[[FlatWhat What.]]
25th Jan '17 8:03:44 AM Willbyr
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** As for Japan... let's just say that while he isn't exactly the most assertive or masculine-looking nation-tan in canon, there are several fics that surgically remove any hint of the [[YamatoNadeshiko 'subtle, but definitely present, touch of iron']] behind his JapanesePoliteness or the fact that he ''does'' [[CuteBruiser know how to handle a katana]] (and successfully fought off the ''HetaliaBloodbath2010'' kidnapper, that had been able to [[TheWorfEffect overpower Russia and General Winter]], with a ''[[ImprovisedWeapon rolled-up poster]]'') to turn him into a completely helpless {{Moe}}blob [[DistressedDude utterly unable to defend or stand up for himself]]. More than one of these fics even go so far as to have him be abused by America or claimed/possessed by [[BastardBoyfriend bastardpirateboyfriend]]!England and either being a weepy LoveMartyr or needing to be rescued by someone else. Mind you, this only happens to Japan about as often as he gets "semeified"/[[RonTheDeathEater bastardized]] instead. On the other hand, if ''China'' is the seme in their relationship...\\

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** As for Japan... let's just say that while he isn't exactly the most assertive or masculine-looking nation-tan in canon, there are several fics that surgically remove any hint of the [[YamatoNadeshiko 'subtle, but definitely present, touch of iron']] behind his JapanesePoliteness or the fact that he ''does'' [[CuteBruiser know how to handle a katana]] (and successfully fought off the ''HetaliaBloodbath2010'' ''Manga/HetaliaBloodbath2010'' kidnapper, that had been able to [[TheWorfEffect overpower Russia and General Winter]], with a ''[[ImprovisedWeapon rolled-up poster]]'') to turn him into a completely helpless {{Moe}}blob [[DistressedDude utterly unable to defend or stand up for himself]]. More than one of these fics even go so far as to have him be abused by America or claimed/possessed by [[BastardBoyfriend bastardpirateboyfriend]]!England and either being a weepy LoveMartyr or needing to be rescued by someone else. Mind you, this only happens to Japan about as often as he gets "semeified"/[[RonTheDeathEater bastardized]] instead. On the other hand, if ''China'' is the seme in their relationship...\\
23rd Jan '17 4:58:53 AM LondonKdS
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* Spock often ends up being the uke in ''Franchise/StarTrek'' SlashFic. There's a reason for that (well, it's good enough for fangirls, anyway) -- in "Amok Time", Spock complains that he didn't think ''pon farr'' would apply to him as a half-Vulcan. This implies he hasn't experienced it before, which, in turn, implies he is a virgin. However, Kirk is far more frequently ukefied than Spock, especially in pon farr fics, where Spock is usually shown going into a feral predatory mating frenzy. Apparently, this somehow affects Kirk's personality too.

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* Spock often ends up being the uke in ''Franchise/StarTrek'' SlashFic. Kirk/Spock SlashFic can go either way DependingOnTheWriter. There's a reason for that uke!Spock (well, it's good enough for fangirls, anyway) -- in "Amok Time", Spock complains that he didn't think ''pon farr'' would apply to him as a half-Vulcan. This implies he hasn't experienced it before, which, in turn, implies he is a virgin. However, Kirk is far more frequently ukefied than Spock, especially in pon farr fics, where Spock is usually shown going into a feral predatory mating frenzy. Apparently, this somehow affects Kirk's personality too.



* Happens to the Doctor (especially [[Creator/DavidTennant the Tenth]]) of ''Series/DoctorWho'' far too often. Okay, so he often seems to be a ChasteHero, but he's also, in general, emotionally stunted and repressed (see: his definition of "all right" in "Forest of the Dead") ''and'' MinoredInAsskicking. Ukefication is generally brought on by the Master, [[Series/{{Torchwood}} Jack Harkness]], or Donna Noble. The Ninth Doctor tends to get the reverse of this in het fics: there's a highly visible element of Nine/Rose shippers who write him as ludicrously sexually dominant, sometimes to the point of being a BastardBoyfriend, despite the lack of any canon hint of it.

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* Happens to the Doctor (especially [[Creator/DavidTennant the Tenth]]) of ''Series/DoctorWho'' far too often. Okay, so he often seems to be a ChasteHero, but he's also, in general, emotionally stunted and repressed (see: his definition of "all right" in "Forest of the Dead") ''and'' MinoredInAsskicking. Ukefication is generally brought on by the Master, [[Series/{{Torchwood}} Jack Harkness]], or Donna Noble. The Ninth Doctor tends to get the reverse of this in het fics: there's a highly visible element of Nine/Rose shippers who write him as ludicrously sexually dominant, sometimes to the point of being a BastardBoyfriend, despite the lack of any canon hint of it.it (in fact, the very few moments Nine gets that even hint at romance seem to depict him as passive going on outright submissive).
3rd Jan '17 9:32:45 PM MeiwakunaBoku
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* Hanzo from ''VideoGame/{{Overwatch}}'' gets this a lot when he's shipped with [=McCree=] and sometimes, [[IncestYayShipping Genji]].
31st Dec '16 5:35:20 AM shonengirl
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* ''Franchise/FireEmblem'' has this in ''spades'', the most common victims being [[NiceGuy Eli]][[TheHero wood]], Guy, Wil, [[ChivalrousPervert Sain]] and [[DudeLooksLikeALady Lucius]] of ''The Blazing Sword'' and Marth of the Archanea series (particularly in fics from the Super Smash Bros. fandom). It doesn't help Marth ''does'' display more vulnerable traits in the [=OAVs=], that he went from a boyish looking moderate {{Bishounen}} to an [[ViewerGenderConfusion infamously feminine looking]] one in VideoGame/SuperSmashBros, and is canonically somewhat of a a bleeding heart and/or childish in every game except the Shadow Dragon remake.

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* ''Franchise/FireEmblem'' has this in ''spades'', the most common victims being [[NiceGuy Eli]][[TheHero wood]], Guy, Wil, [[ChivalrousPervert Sain]] and [[DudeLooksLikeALady Lucius]] of ''The Blazing Sword'' and Marth of the Archanea series (particularly in fics from the Super Smash Bros. fandom). It doesn't help Marth ''does'' display more vulnerable traits in the [=OAVs=], that he went from a boyish looking moderate {{Bishounen}} to an [[ViewerGenderConfusion infamously feminine looking]] one in VideoGame/SuperSmashBros, ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'', and is canonically somewhat of a a bleeding heart and/or childish in every game except the Shadow Dragon remake.



* In the Pokémon fandom, oddly enough, the MemeticBadass that is [[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue Red]] often gets this when paired with [[TheRival Blue]], as well as the female [[FieryRedhead Misty]] and [[DistaffCounterpart Leaf]]. His lack of a set personality also doesn't help, nor the almost ubiquitous SelfFanservice treatment he gets in the fandom.
** His counterpart, [[Anime/{{Pokemon}} Ash Ketchum]], is not safe from this either. Considering he's a borderline {{Keet}} in canon in contrast to the more hard-headed or stoic characters, it sort of makes sense, though he is still HotBlooded, passionate and quite strong in canon as well. In fact, a common joke in the fandom, especially the Japanese one, is pointing out how how this supposed 10 year old is MadeOfIron, can leap giant chasms InASingleBound, lift huge objects, take ''direct Pokemon attacks'', and do other ludicrous physical feats out of sheer determination.
*** And it's bound to be more prevalent, since one episode shows Ash and company meeting "mirror" versions of themselves and mirror!Ash is a wimpy crybaby who can't battle his way out of a paper bag.
** [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite Both Hilbert (aka Touya or Black) and N]] have been hit with this. The latter's {{Bishonen}} looks and status as a major Woobie don't help; no matter the gender he's paired with, it isn't uncommon for some to {{Flanderize}} him into behaving [[ManChild even more like a child than he already did]], to the point he's less just a mysterious, emotionally stunted, sheltered young man with NoSocialSkills and more of a whiny {{Keet}} who [[CuckoolandersMinder needs to be watched constantly by whoever's his love interest in the story]]. This can especially be seen in earlier stories pairing him with Hilda.

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* In the Pokémon fandom, oddly enough, the MemeticBadass that is [[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue Red]] often gets this when paired with [[TheRival Blue]], as well as the female [[FieryRedhead Misty]] and [[DistaffCounterpart Leaf]]. His lack of a set personality also doesn't help, nor the The almost ubiquitous SelfFanservice treatment he gets in the fandom.
fandom doesn't help, though this is mitigated somewhat by his lack of much of an established personality. However, this started to mostly taper out when he and Blue [[TheBusCameBack returned]] in ''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon'' as adults, with Red growing up into a budding {{Hunk}}; and instead, ''Blue'' became widely seen as the uke instead due to being the {{bishounen}} and more emotional of the two, though surprisingly enough he doesn't get it as bad as most other examples due to his established reputation... ''mostly''.
** His Red's TV show counterpart, [[Anime/{{Pokemon}} Ash Ketchum]], is not safe from this either. Considering he's a borderline {{Keet}} in canon in contrast to the more hard-headed or stoic characters, it sort of makes sense, though he is still HotBlooded, passionate and quite strong in canon as well. In fact, a common joke in the fandom, especially the Japanese one, is pointing out how how this supposed 10 year old is MadeOfIron, can leap giant chasms InASingleBound, lift huge objects, take ''direct Pokemon attacks'', and do other ludicrous physical feats out of sheer determination.
*** And it's bound to be more prevalent, since one episode shows Ash and company meeting "mirror" versions of themselves and mirror!Ash is a wimpy crybaby who can't battle his way out of a paper bag.
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** [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite Both Hilbert (aka Touya or Black) and N]] have been hit with this. The latter's {{Bishonen}} looks and status as a major Woobie don't help; no matter the gender he's paired with, it isn't uncommon for some to {{Flanderize}} him into behaving [[ManChild even more like a child than he already did]], to the point he's less just a mysterious, emotionally stunted, sheltered young man with NoSocialSkills and more of a whiny {{Keet}} who [[CuckoolandersMinder [[CloudCuckoolandersMinder needs to be watched constantly by whoever's his love interest in the story]]. This can especially be seen in earlier stories pairing him with Hilda.
17th Dec '16 10:32:16 AM Morgenthaler
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** Erwin Smith sometimes gets this. In the anime and manga he is a BadAss and [[PragmaticHero pragmatic]] commander who is willing to sacrifice everything for humanity, [[IDidWhatIHadToDo even his principles]]. Though he does [[AFatherToHisMen care about and respect his men greatly]]. In slash fic he turns into an affectionate cuddlebear who dotes on his LoveInterest (most often a likewise ukefied Levi)

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** Erwin Smith sometimes gets this. In the anime and manga he is a BadAss badass and [[PragmaticHero pragmatic]] commander who is willing to sacrifice everything for humanity, [[IDidWhatIHadToDo even his principles]]. Though he does [[AFatherToHisMen care about and respect his men greatly]]. In slash fic he turns into an affectionate cuddlebear who dotes on his LoveInterest (most often a likewise ukefied Levi)
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