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21st May '18 12:30:49 PM AndIntroducingALeg
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** The mascots of Ostalgie are the [[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampelmännchen Ampelmännchen]], the little red and green men on pedestrian crossing lights. A post-reunification attempt to standardise crossing signals across Germany resulted in widespread protests, such that the plan had to stopped, and the little behatted figure has become a symbol of the old East Germany. On the other hand, he's also a reason for West Germans to be glad that communism fell, because he's spread onto crossing lights there.
4th May '18 10:53:15 PM DragonQuestZ
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* Comes up in ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' of all places, and it's heartbreaking. In one novel the protagonist is looking over a shop's wares when their eyes are drawn to some battered old wooden train toys with the letters "CCCP" engraved into them. When the protagonist asks the shopkeeper what the letters mean, he just shrugs and says "nobody remembers anymore". Whatever you think of the Soviet Union, it was humanity's first space-faring civilisation, and now it is nothing more than a distant memory to the people of the Imperium.
4th May '18 3:48:21 PM Yukianesa
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* Comes up in ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' of all places, and it's heartbreaking. In one novel the protagonist is looking over a shop's wares when their eyes are drawn to some battered old wooden train toys with the letters "CCCP" engraved into them. When the protagonist asks the shopkeeper what the letters mean, he just shrugs and says "nobody remembers anymore". Whatever you think of the Soviet Union, it was humanity's first space-faring civilisation, and now it is nothing more than a distant memory to the people of the Imperium.
22nd Apr '18 3:52:57 PM Khathi
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** That said, the DPRK isn't actually frozen in the times, and the reforms initiated by the Kim Jong Un in 2012 seem to start bearing fruit. A limited market reform along the lines of China and Vietnam has led to the boom in the North Korean economy. So while the political controls remain as tight as ever, it has liberalized its economy quite a bit.



** "Ex-Soviet nations that border Russia" includes most of the "-stans", Georgia, Belarus and Ukraine, that have pretty much been fluctuating degrees of political and economic disaster. The only real successes from the USSR proper are the Baltics, and even then only Estonia can really be labeled as "prospering". Lithuania can't keep inflation down or get enough jobs to keep their population from fleeing to the rest of Europe. Latvia had no choice but to take a IMF loan after 2008 took its toll and is the poorest EU nation besides Romania. Sure they fare a bit better than their Eastern neighbors, but no former Soviet nation has quite 'made it'.

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** "Ex-Soviet nations that border Russia" includes most of the "-stans", Georgia, Belarus and Ukraine, that have pretty much been fluctuating degrees of political and economic disaster. The only real successes from the USSR proper are the Baltics, and even then only Estonia can really be labeled as "prospering". Lithuania can't keep inflation down or get enough jobs to keep their population from fleeing to the rest of Europe. Latvia had no choice but to take a IMF loan after 2008 took its toll and is the poorest EU nation besides Romania. Sure they fare a bit better than their Eastern neighbors, but no former Soviet nation has quite 'made it'. In fact, even the relatively successful Estonia is depopulating like crazy, and as of the others… well, half of Riga seems to be boarded up, not mentioning smaller towns.



** Half of the economical problems of the Baltics stem from their own sometimes boneheaded decisions. Miffed at being unceremoniously grabbed by the Soviet Union in TheThirties, they fostered [[MisplacedNationalism a kind of militant nationalism]] that led them to believe that they'll be the true darlings of the West forever, and [[{{Realpolitik}} not just a useful thorn in the side of Russia]]. All three of them continued to antagonize Russia, discriminate against their large Russian minorities and generally be the pain in the ass, despite much of their post-Soviet economies hanging on being the transit points of Russian exports like metals and fuels — much of their Russian-built industry was [[CorruptCorporateExecutive bought up and then dismantled]] by the Western {{Mega Corp}}s to avoid unnecessary competition. After Russia found its feet again in the UsefulNotes/TheNewTens, it understandably withdrew that transit, moving it to its own ports and newly built pipelines, leaving Baltics out in the cold.



* UsefulNotes/Nicaragua (a country many only dimly recall as the "Contra" half in "Iran Contra") had a leftist, Cuban/Soviet aligned government from 1979 (when it overthrew the [[HereditaryRepublic Somoza dynasty]]) to 1990 when - as part of a peace settlement brokered by UsefulNotes/CostaRica - free elections resulted in the loss of the Sandinista party under Daniel Ortega to a center-right led "anything but Ortega" coalition. Whatever the next sixteen years brought, apparently enough Nicaraguans were bummed enough by it that in 2006 they elected Ortega to the Presidency once more, when the center/right split the vote (Ortega won with just 34% of the vote, ironically his lowest percentage to date). Ortega's propaganda milks both the nostalgia and their - perceived or real - successes since 2006 for all they're worth and the old man (born 1946) shows no sign of letting go of power as of 2018.

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* UsefulNotes/Nicaragua UsefulNotes/{{Nicaragua}} (a country many only dimly recall as the "Contra" half in "Iran Contra") had a leftist, Cuban/Soviet aligned government from 1979 (when it overthrew the [[HereditaryRepublic Somoza dynasty]]) to 1990 when - as part of a peace settlement brokered by UsefulNotes/CostaRica - free elections resulted in the loss of the Sandinista party under Daniel Ortega to a center-right led "anything but Ortega" coalition. Whatever the next sixteen years brought, apparently enough Nicaraguans were bummed enough by it that in 2006 they elected Ortega to the Presidency once more, when the center/right split the vote (Ortega won with just 34% of the vote, ironically his lowest percentage to date). Ortega's propaganda milks both the nostalgia and their - perceived or real - successes since 2006 for all they're worth and the old man (born 1946) shows no sign of letting go of power as of 2018.
16th Apr '18 8:43:12 AM DLC1
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* Many citizens of old Soviet bloc countries miss Communism: because it's what they knew; [[GloryDays because they were important back then]]; or, indeed — surprisingly enough for a Western reader — because they were more prosperous then than they are now (some others from countries such as Hungary and Slovenia do not miss Communism regardless, though).

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* Many citizens of old Soviet bloc countries miss Communism: because it's what they knew; [[GloryDays because they were important back then]]; or, indeed — surprisingly enough for a Western reader — because they were more prosperous then than they are now (some others from countries such as Hungary and Slovenia do not miss Communism regardless, though).now.
16th Apr '18 8:42:27 AM DLC1
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16th Apr '18 8:35:49 AM DLC1
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*** On the other hand, from the perspective of politics and freedom, the ex-Communist states of Europe are way nicer to live than the Central Asian ex-republics. Not for nothing were the Baltics, Bulgaria, Romania and Croatia admitted to the EU. The Caucasus is more of a mixed bag, with Armenia and Georgia being not unlike their neighbor (and age-old enemy) Turkey in many senses (including politics, albeit without the [[UsefulNotes/TurksWithTroops military's]] political role), while Azerbaijan is an economically-successful political clusterfuck (that's what happens when you're a main battleground between Turkey and Iran for influence.)

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*** On the other hand, from the perspective of politics and freedom, the ex-Communist states of Europe are way nicer to live than the Central Asian ex-republics. Not for nothing were the Baltics, Bulgaria, Romania and Croatia admitted to the EU. The Caucasus is more of a mixed bag, with Armenia and Georgia being not unlike their neighbor (and age-old enemy) Turkey in many senses (including politics, albeit without the [[UsefulNotes/TurksWithTroops military's]] political role), while Azerbaijan is an economically-successful political clusterfuck (that's what happens when you're a main battleground between Turkey and Iran for influence.)
16th Apr '18 8:29:38 AM DLC1
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*** On the other hand, from the perspective of politics and freedom, the ex-Communist states of Europe (save UsefulNotes/{{Belarus}}) are way nicer to live than the Central Asian ex-republics and even Russia itself (though it's debatable). Not for nothing were the Baltics, Bulgaria, Romania and Croatia admitted to the EU. The Caucasus is more of a mixed bag, with Armenia and Georgia being not unlike their neighbor (and age-old enemy) Turkey in many senses (including politics, albeit without the [[UsefulNotes/TurksWithTroops military's]] political role), while Azerbaijan is an economically-successful political clusterfuck (that's what happens when you're a main battleground between Turkey and Iran for influence.)

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*** On the other hand, from the perspective of politics and freedom, the ex-Communist states of Europe (save UsefulNotes/{{Belarus}}) are way nicer to live than the Central Asian ex-republics and even Russia itself (though it's debatable).ex-republics. Not for nothing were the Baltics, Bulgaria, Romania and Croatia admitted to the EU. The Caucasus is more of a mixed bag, with Armenia and Georgia being not unlike their neighbor (and age-old enemy) Turkey in many senses (including politics, albeit without the [[UsefulNotes/TurksWithTroops military's]] political role), while Azerbaijan is an economically-successful political clusterfuck (that's what happens when you're a main battleground between Turkey and Iran for influence.)



*** However the doping scandal involving the Russian Government and the Sochi Winter and Rio Summer Games has returned the Russia vs The West that existed in the past.

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*** However the doping scandal allegedly involving the Russian Government and the Sochi Winter and Rio Summer Games has returned the Russia vs The West that existed in the past.
15th Apr '18 8:05:39 PM Njein
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* ''Film/JamesBond'': The CentralTheme of films made after 1991 deal with the relevance of 007 in a digitized era.

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* ''Film/JamesBond'': The CentralTheme of films made after 1991 deal with the relevance of 007 in a digitized post-Cold War era.
14th Apr '18 6:50:59 AM Njein
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* In ''Film/JamesBond'':
** ''Film/GoldenEye'' wondered if Film/JamesBond was even relevant now. M in particular bluntly told Bond he was "a relic of the Cold War".

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* In ''Film/JamesBond'':
''Film/JamesBond'': The CentralTheme of films made after 1991 deal with the relevance of 007 in a digitized era.
** ''Film/GoldenEye'' wondered if Film/JamesBond was even relevant now. M and 006 in particular bluntly told tell Bond he was "a relic of the Cold War".


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** ''Film/{{Spectre}}'': The main dilemma presented here is whether an AttackDrone can do the job of field agents like 007. [[spoiler:It's later proven that yes, Bond is still indeed relevant even in an era of [=WikiLeaks=] and mass surveillance.]]
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