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25th Aug '16 4:18:30 PM PF
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* Creator/GregWeisman, creator of ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}'' and ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan'', ran a blog called "[[http://s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/ Ask Greg]]" for years with little to no incident. Fan could ask questions about the kinds of details that never make it into shows (like "What are Gargoyle marriage customs like?"). When he began work on ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'', the blog was positively deluged by questions blatantly asking for spoilers from upcoming stories, questioners being incredibly rude or demanding, masking criticisms or flames as questions, duplicate questions, etc. This led to a temporary closing of the question form and new rules on what could be asked. Things calmed down, but [[ShortRunInPeru the March 2012 airing of episodes in Turkey before the U.S.]] has led to an influx of questions basically asking for summaries of the dialogue in those episodes, so only time will tell how long Ask Greg will remain open. In April 2012, Weisman openly stated he was [[http://s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=946 on the verge]] of shutting the blog down completely. In July 2013, the website stopped accepting new questions. However, the site began accepting questions again in 2014.

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* Creator/GregWeisman, creator of ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}'' and ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan'', ran a blog called "[[http://s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/ Ask Greg]]" for years with little to no incident. Fan could ask questions about the kinds of details that never make it into shows (like "What are Gargoyle marriage customs like?"). When he began work on ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'', the blog was positively deluged by questions blatantly asking for spoilers from upcoming stories, questioners being incredibly rude or demanding, masking criticisms or flames as questions, duplicate questions, etc. This led to a temporary closing of the question form and new rules on what could be asked. Things calmed down, but [[ShortRunInPeru the March 2012 airing of episodes in Turkey before the U.S.]] has led to an influx of questions basically asking for summaries of the dialogue in those episodes, so only time will tell how long Ask Greg will remain open.episodes. In April 2012, Weisman openly stated he was [[http://s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=946 on the verge]] of shutting the blog down completely. In July 2013, the website temporarily stopped accepting new questions. However, the site began accepting questions again in 2014.until the following year.
25th Aug '16 4:10:28 PM PF
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* Zelda Williams, daughter of the late Creator/RobinWilliams, was driven off social media after trolls descended onto her Facebook and Twitter accounts and attacked her over her father's death. Specifically, they [[DudeNotFunny posted a picture originating from Liveleak of a suicide-by-hanging victim that resembled Robin.]]

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* Zelda Williams, daughter of the late Creator/RobinWilliams, was driven off social media after trolls descended onto her Facebook page and Twitter accounts account and attacked her over her father's death. Specifically, they [[DudeNotFunny posted a picture originating from Liveleak of a suicide-by-hanging victim that resembled Robin.]]
25th Aug '16 4:03:04 PM PF
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One of the many results of {{GIFT}}.

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One of the many results of {{GIFT}}.{{GIFT}}
25th Aug '16 3:52:57 PM PF
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-->-- '''Seiji Mizushima''', director of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam00''

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-->-- '''Seiji Mizushima''', director of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam00''
''Anime/MobileSuitGundam00''.



* ''WesternAnimation/UltimateSpiderMan'''s critical reception eventually resulted in the fanbase attacking the creators and Creator/JephLoeb. After a certain amount of time, Loeb or Marvel ended up taking down Loeb's Facebook page.[[note]]Later on, there was speculation that wasn't really Loeb's Facebook page, just something an ''Ultimate Spidey'' hater made so other people could have a place to vent, and no one's entirely sure what the real story is.[[/note]]

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* ''WesternAnimation/UltimateSpiderMan'''s critical reception eventually resulted in the fanbase attacking the creators and Creator/JephLoeb. After a certain amount of time, Loeb or Marvel ended up taking down Loeb's Facebook page.[[note]]Later on, there was speculation that wasn't really Loeb's Facebook page, just something an a ''Ultimate Spidey'' hater made so other people could have a place to vent, and no one's entirely sure what the real story is.[[/note]]



* In extreme cases, there's the Administrivia/PermanentRedLinkClub, in which the tropes are so misused, become a magnet for racial slurs and personal attacks, and the like that not only the page is locked, the page (and in some occasions, the entire trope) gets deleted, never to be used again.
** Previously, the only pages that were cut and locked were Administrivia/PermanentRedLinkClub members such as IAmNotMakingThisUp and SoYeah. However, as tropers were continuously attempting to revive redundant and unnecessary tropes placed on the CutList, nowadays anything that was cut is now auto-locked. However, unless it's on the Administrivia/PermanentRedLinkClub, it can be unlocked if the page can be proven to be useful on {{YKTTW}} and the like.
** The trope Please Elaborate was meant to be a handy tool for tropers. If one found a poor example, but didn't know the source material well enough to expand it themselves, they would add that example to Please Elaborate, and a troper with actual knowledge of said example could fix it. It joined the Permanent Red Link Club when lazy tropers started adding Please Elaborate to their examples pre-emptively to pawn off the actual elaboration of said example to other tropers.
* And in less extreme but still undesirable cases, RealLife examples can be cut and [[Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease prohibited from a page]] if things get sufficiently controversial. On that note, there's also the ExampleSectionectomy, for which examples are either cut entirely or relegated to a separate area such as DarthWiki or the Discussion tab if things get nasty.
* This is the reason why FetishFuel and TroperTales no longer exist in Wiki/TVTropes. Some people couldn’t resist putting controversial and creepy content in FetishFuel and TroperTales, which led to these sections being [[http://tropertales.wikkii.com/wiki/Main_Page sent off to separate off-site wikis.]] The newly-separated wikis tend to die out, but that doesn't matter when the original problem is solved.

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* In extreme cases, there's the Administrivia/PermanentRedLinkClub, in which the tropes are so misused, become a magnet for racial slurs and personal attacks, and the like that not only the page is locked, the page (and in some occasions, the entire trope) gets deleted, never to be used again. \n** Previously, the only pages that were cut and locked were Administrivia/PermanentRedLinkClub members such as IAmNotMakingThisUp and SoYeah. However, as tropers were continuously attempting to revive redundant and unnecessary tropes placed on the CutList, nowadays anything that was cut is now auto-locked. However, unless it's on the Administrivia/PermanentRedLinkClub, it can be unlocked if the page can be proven to be useful on {{YKTTW}} and the like.
** * The trope Please Elaborate was meant to be a handy tool for tropers. If one found a poor example, but didn't know the source material well enough to expand it themselves, they would could add that example to Please Elaborate, and a troper with actual knowledge of said example could fix it. It joined the Permanent Red Link Club when lazy tropers started adding Please Elaborate to their examples pre-emptively preemptively to pawn off the actual elaboration of said example to other tropers.
* And in In less extreme but still undesirable cases, RealLife examples can be cut and [[Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease prohibited from a page]] if things get sufficiently controversial. On that note, there's also the ExampleSectionectomy, for which examples are either cut entirely or relegated to a separate area such as DarthWiki or the Discussion tab if things get nasty.
* This is the reason why FetishFuel and TroperTales no longer exist in Wiki/TVTropes.exist. Some people couldn’t resist putting controversial and creepy content in FetishFuel and TroperTales, which led to these sections being [[http://tropertales.wikkii.com/wiki/Main_Page sent off to separate off-site wikis.]] The newly-separated wikis tend to die out, but that doesn't matter when the original problem is solved.



* For similar reasons, troper pages can now only be edited by the tropers who created them. The days when a good faith user could sign or leave a fun commentary in another troper's page (which was known as "fun vandalism"), or even simply fix a spelling mistake, are unfortunately over because of this.

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* For similar reasons, troper Troper pages can now only be edited by the tropers who created them. The days when a good faith user could sign or leave a fun commentary in another troper's page (which was known as "fun vandalism"), or even simply fix a spelling mistake, are unfortunately over because of this.



* The Pantheon/TropePantheons used to be open in terms of adding new gods. However, due to the section's unexpected explosion in popularity, as well as people shoehorning characters into godhoods with little or no justification, there are stricter regulations for adding new gods. This includes a waiting list and a rule that their profile sheet needs to more or less entirely filled out with at least three freeform examples. A more drastic example happened with the Disgraces, they were originally a house for gods who represented a ScrappyIndex, which itself was fine, but people started taking the abuse and mockery too far, [[EveryoneHasStandards even for characters who are universally hated]]. This eventually got to the point where the disgraces were too vitriolic and had to be closed, and eventually the entire house was demolished, the least controversial gods were reworked and placed into actual houses, the most controversial gods made PersonaNonGrata, and massive sweeping Retcons to portfolios all over the pantheon so that [[{{Unperson}} the disgraces may as well have never existed]].
* The Wall Bangers page on the Darth Wiki wound up being completely discontinued as it was becoming a giant FlameWar magnet, with no one seeming to follow the rules of the page, which caused it to become rather redundant to DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck. Some were even using it as an irrational excuse to [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike complain about shows they didn't like]].
* Originally, ''WebVideo/DeathBattle'', like all other medias, had its own [[DethroningMoment/DeathBattle Dethroning Moment of Suck page]] relating to the outcome of the battles. Eventually, the entries became very contested, with edit wars on the moments being erased and re-added to the point that the mods were forced to lock the page. The debates, however, continued in both in their discussion pages and the locked pages forums with fans requesting their own moments to be added. Ultimately, the mods and tropers decided to completely blacklist the page from ever having a moment again by stripping all of the examples ''in addition'' to locking the page. This is the first, and so far, only series to ever have its dethroning moments truly stripped and blacklisted.

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* The Pantheon/TropePantheons used to be open in terms of adding new gods. However, due to the section's unexpected explosion in popularity, as well as people shoehorning characters into godhoods with little or no justification, there are stricter regulations for adding new gods. This includes a waiting list and a rule that their profile sheet needs to more or less entirely filled out with at least three freeform examples. A more drastic example happened with the Disgraces, they were originally a house for gods who represented a ScrappyIndex, which itself was fine, but people started taking the abuse and mockery too far, [[EveryoneHasStandards even for characters who are universally hated]]. This eventually got to the point where the disgraces were too vitriolic and had to be closed, and eventually the entire house was demolished, the least controversial gods were reworked and placed into actual houses, the most controversial gods made PersonaNonGrata, and massive sweeping Retcons retcons to portfolios all over the pantheon so that [[{{Unperson}} the disgraces may as well have never existed]].
* The Wall Bangers page on the Darth Wiki wound up being completely discontinued due to it being seen as it was becoming a giant FlameWar magnet, with no one seeming to follow the rules of the page, which caused it to become magnet and being rather redundant to DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck. Some were even using it as an irrational excuse to [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike complain about shows they didn't like]].
DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck.
* Originally, ''WebVideo/DeathBattle'', like all other medias, media, had its own [[DethroningMoment/DeathBattle Dethroning Moment of Suck page]] relating to the outcome of the battles. Eventually, the entries became very contested, with edit wars on the moments being erased and re-added to the point that the mods were forced to lock the page. The debates, however, continued in both in their discussion pages and the locked pages forums with fans requesting their own moments to be added. Ultimately, the mods and tropers decided to completely blacklist the page from ever having a moment again by stripping all of the examples ''in addition'' to locking the page. This is the first, and so far, only series to ever have its dethroning moments truly stripped and blacklisted.
25th Aug '16 11:31:26 AM Theatre_Maven_3695
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* The DarthWiki.WallBanger page on the Darth Wiki wound up being completely discontinued as it was becoming a giant FlameWar magnet, with no one seemed to follow the rules of the page, which caused it to become rather redundant to DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck. Some were even using it as an irrational excuse to [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike complain about shows they didn't like]].

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* The DarthWiki.WallBanger Wall Bangers page on the Darth Wiki wound up being completely discontinued as it was becoming a giant FlameWar magnet, with no one seemed seeming to follow the rules of the page, which caused it to become rather redundant to DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck. Some were even using it as an irrational excuse to [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike complain about shows they didn't like]].
22nd Aug '16 4:46:13 AM PF
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* Cited as one of the reasons why UsefulNotes/FormulaOne killed off the United States Grand Prix at Watkins Glen International after 1980. The "fans" who attended in the later years tended to be rowdy and drunken, with a particular enthusiasm for setting things ablaze in the infield section known as "The Bog", located inside the track section called "The Boot" (turns 6-9).[[note]]the largest item they managed was a Greyhound bus in 1974[[/note]] This activity basically made it untenable for Watkins Glen and [=F1=] to fix the primary problem with the track, which was the safety issues that killed several drivers in the late '70's.
* [[UsefulNotes/AmericanFootball Seattle Seahawks]] punter John Ryan, despite not being all that famous on account of being, well, a [[ButtMonkey punter]], was once considered one of the more entertaining professional athletes to follow on social media. However, in the wake of the Miami nightclub shooting in 2016, he was harassed by a number of homophobic twitter users who chose to defend the shooter. Ryan was so disgusted by this that he withdrew from social media completely

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* Cited as one of the reasons why UsefulNotes/FormulaOne killed off the United States Grand Prix at Watkins Glen International after 1980. The "fans" who attended in the later years tended to be rowdy and drunken, with a particular enthusiasm for setting things ablaze in the infield section known as "The Bog", located inside the track section called "The Boot" (turns 6-9).[[note]]the largest item they managed was a Greyhound bus in 1974[[/note]] This activity basically made it untenable for Watkins Glen and [=F1=] to fix the primary problem with the track, which was the safety issues that killed several drivers in the late '70's.
'70s.
* [[UsefulNotes/AmericanFootball Seattle Seahawks]] punter John Ryan, despite not being all that famous on account of being, well, a [[ButtMonkey punter]], was once considered one of the more entertaining professional athletes to follow on social media. However, in the wake of the Miami Orlando nightclub shooting in 2016, he was harassed by a number of homophobic twitter Twitter users who chose to defend the shooter. Ryan was so disgusted by this that he withdrew from social media completelycompletely.
21st Aug '16 9:20:15 PM CompletelyNormalGuy
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* [[UsefulNotes/AmericanFooball Seattle Seahawks]] punter John Ryan, despite not being all that famous on account of being, well, a [[ButtMonkey punter]], was once considered one of the more entertaining professional athletes to follow on social media. However, in the wake of the Miami nightclub shooting in 2016, he was harassed by a number of homophobic twitter users who chose to defend the shooter. Ryan was so disgusted by this that he withdrew from social media completely

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* [[UsefulNotes/AmericanFooball [[UsefulNotes/AmericanFootball Seattle Seahawks]] punter John Ryan, despite not being all that famous on account of being, well, a [[ButtMonkey punter]], was once considered one of the more entertaining professional athletes to follow on social media. However, in the wake of the Miami nightclub shooting in 2016, he was harassed by a number of homophobic twitter users who chose to defend the shooter. Ryan was so disgusted by this that he withdrew from social media completely
21st Aug '16 9:18:53 PM CompletelyNormalGuy
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* [[UsefulNotes/AmericanFooball Seattle Seahawks]] punter John Ryan, despite not being all that famous on account of being, well, a [[ButtMonkey punter]], was once considered one of the more entertaining professional athletes to follow on social media. However, in the wake of the Miami nightclub shooting in 2016, he was harassed by a number of homophobic twitter users who chose to defend the shooter. Ryan was so disgusted by this that he withdrew from social media completely



* An in-universe example from ''Webcomic/ElGoonishShive'': Susan opted to [[http://www.egscomics.com/egsnp.php?id=234 disable comments]] on the video review show that she makes with Elliot after repeated comments mocking her for being "lanky", to the point where some people even told her to [[http://www.egscomics.com/egsnp.php?id=231 eat a sandwich.]]



* The Tropes Mirror Wiki originally was open for anyone who wanted to sign on and edit. But then a handful of jokers from ThisVeryWiki decided the folks over on the Mirror needed to be "punished" for daring to actually exist as a website and started spam-bombing the Mirror by creating new pages that were titled from the old wiki (using actual trope titles of pages that hadn't been imported yet), but filled with porn spam, or ads for erectile dysfunction drugs, or cheap cigarettes, and the like. As a result, new editors have to now be approved by the admins before they can do anything on the wiki. When one of the spammers was tracked down and confronted, he admitted to doing it as a "fuck you" to the Mirror on behalf of Fast Eddie and TV Tropes, despite the Mirror's existence not violating any law, rule, regulation, or standard of behavior. A different [[http://tropes.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page Tropes Mirror Wiki]], founded by a different user, exists today, but it can only contain material from this wiki that originated before July 2012.

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* The Tropes Mirror Wiki originally was open for anyone who wanted to sign on and edit. But then a handful of jokers from ThisVeryWiki decided the folks over on the Mirror needed to be "punished" for daring to actually exist as a website and started spam-bombing the Mirror by creating new pages that were titled from the old wiki (using actual trope titles of pages that hadn't been imported yet), but filled with porn spam, or ads for erectile dysfunction drugs, or cheap cigarettes, and the like. As a result, new editors have to now be approved by the admins before they can do anything on the wiki. When one of the spammers was tracked down and confronted, he admitted to doing it as a "fuck you" to the Mirror on behalf of Fast Eddie and TV Tropes, despite the Mirror's existence not violating any law, rule, regulation, or standard of behavior. A different [[http://tropes.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page Tropes Mirror Wiki]], Wiki, founded by a different user, exists today, but it can only contain material from this wiki that originated before July 2012.
21st Aug '16 8:24:19 PM CompletelyNormalGuy
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* When Creator/IoanGruffudd first got famous with ''Series/HoratioHornblower'' in the late '90s and early 2000s, he really seemed to be enjoying interaction with fans on-line. He was even paying a considerable sum of money to run a web-page where fans could send him greetings and kudos and he would often reply. Fans were also collecting and preserving rare stuff like videos from his child actor days or various interviews. When he got engaged, supposedly many a fan-girl could not deal, forgetting that CelebrityCrush is supposed to be for fun. They started sending hateful messages directed at his lfiancée. No wonder Mr Gruffudd refused to pay for that.

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* When Creator/IoanGruffudd first got famous with ''Series/HoratioHornblower'' in the late '90s and early 2000s, he really seemed to be enjoying interaction with fans on-line. He was even paying a considerable sum of money to run a web-page where fans could send him greetings and kudos and he would often reply. Fans were also collecting and preserving rare stuff like videos from his child actor days or various interviews. When he got engaged, supposedly many a fan-girl could not deal, forgetting that CelebrityCrush is supposed to be for fun. They started sending hateful messages directed at his lfiancée.fiance. No wonder Mr Gruffudd refused to pay for that.
14th Aug '16 7:55:38 PM Isaac_Heller
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** The episode "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E14TheLastRoundup The Last Roundup]]" was originally broadcast with a full-fledged appearance by fan favorite background pony Derpy Hooves, complete with her being referred to by name. Unfortunately, to some people it looked like a mockery of the mentally handicapped (the name "Derpy" is often used to mock mentally handicapped people), so the episode was taken off of [=iTunes=] and replaced with a new version, in which Derpy's name is not mentioned, her voice is changed,[[note]]which was done at the request of the voice actress, Tabitha St. Germain, since she had gotten Derpy's gender wrong and voiced her as a male character but allowed the original cut to still be broadcast and put on the DVD as she found it entertaining[[/note]] and her trademark crossed eyes were corrected. [[BrokenBase Some bronies were not happy]]. Furthermore, any merchandise featuring Derpy that's been released since the incident has gone out of its way [[TheScottishTrope not to mention her name]]. However, this has not stopped other, less controversial fan nicknames from making it into official merchandise. She appears in later episodes, but as a voiceless, nameless, background character. After all the drama it had caused, fans are fairly grateful for this. Of course, this has now been completely and totally averted as Derpy not only got her voice back (using sort of a mix between both the old AND new from "Last Roundup"), but even got her own starring episode in "Slice of Life". And there was much rejoicing.

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** The episode "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E14TheLastRoundup The Last Roundup]]" was originally broadcast with a full-fledged appearance by fan favorite background pony Derpy Hooves, complete with her being referred to by name. Unfortunately, to some people it looked like a mockery of the mentally handicapped (the name "Derpy" is often used to mock mentally handicapped people), so the episode was taken off of [=iTunes=] and replaced with a new version, in which Derpy's name is not mentioned, her voice is changed,[[note]]which was done at the request of the voice actress, Tabitha St. Germain, since she had gotten Derpy's gender wrong and voiced her as a male character but allowed the original cut to still be broadcast and put on the DVD as she found it entertaining[[/note]] and her trademark crossed eyes were corrected. [[BrokenBase Some bronies were not happy]]. Furthermore, any merchandise featuring Derpy that's been released since the incident has gone out of its way [[TheScottishTrope not to mention her name]]. However, this has not stopped other, less controversial fan nicknames from making it into official merchandise. She appears in later episodes, but as a voiceless, nameless, background character. After all the drama it had caused, fans are fairly grateful for this. Of course, this has now been completely and totally averted as Derpy not only got her voice back (using sort of a mix between both the old AND new from "Last Roundup"), and an official name (Muffin), but even got her own starring episode in "Slice of Life". And there was much rejoicing.
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