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22nd Apr '16 10:25:01 PM aye_amber
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27th Mar '16 11:22:21 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''ForbiddenPlanet''. Morbius: it implies that even the worst people have good intentions

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* ''ForbiddenPlanet''.''Film/ForbiddenPlanet''. Morbius: it implies that even the worst people have good intentions
21st Mar '16 10:44:51 AM MaulMachine
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** An exception must be noted for Literature/RainbowSix since the villains are VillainProtagonists for about a third of the book, utterly egocentric, and don't hesitate to kill billions at the Olympics. Even the least cynical Rainbows find them bafflingly evil.
21st Mar '16 10:39:36 AM MaulMachine
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** Note that this was absolutely 'NOT' the case in the original manga. In the first ten volumes of the manga and at points in 'World's Most Wanted', Lupin was an unapologetic and reprehensible rapist, murderer, kidnapper, and arsonist. The very first volume includes scenes of Lupin raping a woman and murdering a police officer. The anime was of significantly lighter tone.

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** Note that this was absolutely 'NOT' ''NOT'' the case in the original manga. In the first ten volumes of the manga and at points in 'World's ''World's Most Wanted', Wanted,'' Lupin was an unapologetic and reprehensible rapist, murderer, kidnapper, and arsonist. The very first volume includes scenes of Lupin raping a woman and murdering a police officer. The anime was of significantly lighter tone.
21st Mar '16 10:38:49 AM MaulMachine
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** Note that this was absolutely 'NOT' the case in the original manga. In the first ten volumes of the manga and at points in 'World's Most Wanted', Lupin was an unapologetic and reprehensible rapist, murderer, kidnapper, and arsonist. The very first volume includes scenes of Lupin raping a woman and murdering a police officer. The anime was of significantly lighter tone.
5th Mar '16 7:48:46 PM redandready45
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* ''FanFic/ChristmasWithACorduroy'': Wendy, a free-spirited teenage girl, vs Lynda Pines, a nasty, overprotective parent.
28th Feb '16 3:12:23 AM Satakieli
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* Unsurprisingly present in ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic''. Moments after the climax of the second episode, the goddess of darkness, who is effectively the BigBad of the ponies' entire mythology, runs crying into a hug with her sister and counterpart day goddess. Who [[EasilyForgiven instantly forgives her]]. Indeed, the worst villains in the first season were Gilda from "Griffon the Brush-Off" and the Great and Powerful Trixie from "Boast Busters", who were both realistic {{Jerkass}}es rather than deliberately kid-friendly villains, neither of which learned their lessons in their respective episodes. This changed with the season 2 premiere "The Return of Harmony", which featured as its antagonist Discord, a [[TricksterArchetype trouble-making]] RealityWarper with [[ForTheEvulz a cruel sense of humor]]. [[note]] But even Discord may be an example of this trope, if you interpret his behavior as BlueAndOrangeMorality. He eventually got [[HeelFaceTurn reformed]] in "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E11KeepCalmAndFlutterOn Keep Calm and Flutter On]]". [[/note]] Some of the show's conflicts even border on GoodVersusGood, like the Dragon from Dragonshy, who was [[spoiler:just trying to sleep until Dash kicked him in the face]] or Queen Chrysalis, who was just aiming to feed her hive with ponies as a natural prey. Averted by the phenomenally dark [[EvilOverlord King Sombra]], and [[SatanicArchetype Lord Tirek]].

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* Unsurprisingly present in ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic''. Moments after the climax of the second episode, the goddess of darkness, who is effectively the BigBad of the ponies' entire mythology, runs crying into a hug with her sister and counterpart day goddess. Who [[EasilyForgiven instantly forgives her]]. Indeed, the worst villains in the first season were Gilda from "Griffon the Brush-Off" and the Great and Powerful Trixie from "Boast Busters", who were both realistic {{Jerkass}}es rather than deliberately kid-friendly villains, neither of which learned their lessons in their respective episodes. This changed with the season 2 premiere "The Return of Harmony", which featured as its antagonist Discord, a [[TricksterArchetype trouble-making]] RealityWarper with [[ForTheEvulz a cruel sense of humor]]. [[note]] But even Discord may be an example of this trope, if you interpret his behavior as BlueAndOrangeMorality. He eventually got [[HeelFaceTurn reformed]] in "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E11KeepCalmAndFlutterOn Keep Calm and Flutter On]]". [[/note]] Some of the show's conflicts even border on GoodVersusGood, like the Dragon from Dragonshy, who was [[spoiler:just trying to sleep until Dash kicked him in the face]] or Queen Chrysalis, who was just aiming to feed her hive with ponies as a natural prey.face]]. Averted by the phenomenally dark [[EvilOverlord King Sombra]], and [[SatanicArchetype Lord Tirek]].
3rd Feb '16 3:00:32 PM Onomateopoetic
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** The one exception would be the ''Next Generation''-era Ferengi. They were universally motivated by greed, embodying the worst of capitalism on a show that tended to favor socialist utopias. Ironically, while ''Deep Space Nine'' was overall darker, they pulled the Ferengi into the gray range, even introducing a number of social reforms during their run and having the Alpha Quadrant be saved by a Ferengi.

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** The one exception would be the ''Next Generation''-era Ferengi. They O were universally motivated by greed, embodying the worst of capitalism on a show that tended to favor socialist utopias. Ironically, while ''Deep Space Nine'' was overall darker, they pulled the Ferengi into the gray range, even introducing a number of social reforms during their run and having the Alpha Quadrant be saved by a Ferengi.



* ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'' turns out to work this way. The RandomEncounters are just scared, and can all be placated non-lethally. Toriel just wants you to stay in the Ruins where you're safe, and tries her hardest to ''avoid'' killing you in her boss fight. Papyrus really does want to capture you to facilitate his long-delayed entry to the Royal Guard, but he's just too kind-hearted to follow through (which, incidentally, is why his entry to the Royal Guard ''is'' being delayed). Undyne refuses to accept your mercy, because she is either righteously angry over the monsters you've killed or simply determined to take your SOUL so the barrier can be destroyed, but even she can be made to relent. Mettaton genuinely does want to kill you, but only to ''prevent'' the barrier from being shattered, since step 2 in that plan has always been "destroy humanity", and if you overcome him, he decides you're strong enough to prevent it yourself. And Asgore, the creator of that plan, [[spoiler:did it in a fit of grief and ''very obviously'' doesn't want to go through with it now that his head is clearer]]. Even Flowey turns out to be a JerkassWoobie who is only an asshole [[spoiler:because he died long ago, CameBackWrong, and now literally has no SOUL. When he briefly regains one in the GoldenEnding, he shatters the barrier himself and apologizes for everything he did]]. The only unambiguously ''bad'' character is [[spoiler:The Fallen Child]], and even they're vaguely implied to have had a FreudianExcuse of some kind in the GoldenEnding, and it's only ''your'' action in a No Mercy route that drives them to worse things.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'' turns out to work this way. The RandomEncounters are just scared, and can all be placated non-lethally. Toriel just wants you to stay in the Ruins where you're safe, and tries her hardest to ''avoid'' killing you in her boss fight. Papyrus really does want to capture you to facilitate his long-delayed entry to the Royal Guard, but he's just too kind-hearted to follow through (which, incidentally, is why his entry to the Royal Guard ''is'' being delayed). Undyne refuses to accept your mercy, because she is either righteously angry over the monsters you've killed or simply determined to take your SOUL so the barrier can be destroyed, but even she can be made to relent. Mettaton genuinely does want to kill you, but only to ''prevent'' the barrier from being shattered, since step 2 in that plan has always been "destroy humanity", and if you overcome him, he decides you're strong enough to prevent it yourself. And Asgore, the creator of that plan, [[spoiler:did it in a fit of grief and ''very obviously'' doesn't want to go through with it now that his head is clearer]]. Even Flowey turns out to be a JerkassWoobie who is only an asshole [[spoiler:because he died long ago, CameBackWrong, and now literally has no SOUL. When he briefly regains one in the GoldenEnding, he shatters the barrier himself and apologizes for everything he did]]. The only unambiguously ''bad'' character is [[spoiler:The Fallen Child]], and even they're vaguely that's not completely certain, since it is implied to have had a FreudianExcuse of some kind in the GoldenEnding, GoldenEnding that they wanted to help the monsters of the Underground, but, through a FreudianExcuse, went about it in a less than merciful way, and it's only ''your'' action in a No Mercy route that drives them to worse things.become the BiggerBad and irrevocally evil.
**It can be argued that the only actually possible evil character in the game, [[spoiler: is the player themselves. Toying with lives and having the ability to do what they want with the denizens in the game may eventually cause any player to do things that, to them, is only [[BlueAndOrangeMorality dubiously bad]], but is almost maddeningly cruel to the characters in the game. VideoGameCrueltyPotential indeed. ]]
30th Jan '16 7:29:17 AM LizardOfAus
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* Unsurprisingly present in ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic''. Moments after the climax of the second episode, the goddess of darkness, who is effectively the BigBad of the ponies' entire mythology, runs crying into a hug with her sister and counterpart day goddess. Who [[EasilyForgiven instantly forgives her]]. Indeed, the worst villains in the first season were Gilda from "Griffon the Brush-Off" and the Great and Powerful Trixie from "Boast Busters", who were both realistic {{Jerkass}}es rather than deliberately kid-friendly villains, neither of which learned their lessons in their respective episodes. This changed with the season 2 premiere "The Return of Harmony", which featured as its antagonist Discord, a [[TricksterArchetype trouble-making]] RealityWarper with [[ForTheEvulz a cruel sense of humor]]. [[note]] But even Discord may be an example of this trope, if you interpret his behavior as BlueAndOrangeMorality. He eventually got [[HeelFaceTurn reformed]] in "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E11KeepCalmAndFlutterOn Keep Calm and Flutter On]]". [[/note]] Some of the show's conflicts even border on GoodVersusGood, like the Dragon from Dragonshy, who was [[spoiler:just trying to sleep until Dash kicked him in the face]] or Queen Chrysalis, who was just aiming to feed her hive with ponies as a natural prey. Averted by the phenomenally dark [[EvilOverlord King Sombra]].

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* Unsurprisingly present in ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic''. Moments after the climax of the second episode, the goddess of darkness, who is effectively the BigBad of the ponies' entire mythology, runs crying into a hug with her sister and counterpart day goddess. Who [[EasilyForgiven instantly forgives her]]. Indeed, the worst villains in the first season were Gilda from "Griffon the Brush-Off" and the Great and Powerful Trixie from "Boast Busters", who were both realistic {{Jerkass}}es rather than deliberately kid-friendly villains, neither of which learned their lessons in their respective episodes. This changed with the season 2 premiere "The Return of Harmony", which featured as its antagonist Discord, a [[TricksterArchetype trouble-making]] RealityWarper with [[ForTheEvulz a cruel sense of humor]]. [[note]] But even Discord may be an example of this trope, if you interpret his behavior as BlueAndOrangeMorality. He eventually got [[HeelFaceTurn reformed]] in "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E11KeepCalmAndFlutterOn Keep Calm and Flutter On]]". [[/note]] Some of the show's conflicts even border on GoodVersusGood, like the Dragon from Dragonshy, who was [[spoiler:just trying to sleep until Dash kicked him in the face]] or Queen Chrysalis, who was just aiming to feed her hive with ponies as a natural prey. Averted by the phenomenally dark [[EvilOverlord King Sombra]].Sombra]], and [[SatanicArchetype Lord Tirek]].
17th Jan '16 6:52:21 PM nombretomado
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* StarDriver is full of this. The Glittering Crux want to use the HumongousMecha LostTechnology to achieve world peace ([[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans by force]], but the force part is only implied and never stated outright.) Many of the Crux deplore loss of civilian life and go out of their way to prepare ways to get the innocent out of the way in the event if a crisis (such as keeping a ''luxury ship large enough to carry the population of a small island'' on hand). The only reason they're at odds with the heroes at all is the "force" part. Both parties are ''fully aware'' of this and even ''act as genuine friends'' when off of the battlefield. There are a total of '''two''' named characters who are portrayed as genuinely bad and unlikeable people in the whole of the series, which stands out for its surprisingly large cast.

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* StarDriver ''Anime/StarDriver'' is full of this. The Glittering Crux want to use the HumongousMecha LostTechnology to achieve world peace ([[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans by force]], but the force part is only implied and never stated outright.) Many of the Crux deplore loss of civilian life and go out of their way to prepare ways to get the innocent out of the way in the event if a crisis (such as keeping a ''luxury ship large enough to carry the population of a small island'' on hand). The only reason they're at odds with the heroes at all is the "force" part. Both parties are ''fully aware'' of this and even ''act as genuine friends'' when off of the battlefield. There are a total of '''two''' named characters who are portrayed as genuinely bad and unlikeable people in the whole of the series, which stands out for its surprisingly large cast.
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