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10th Feb '17 10:51:52 PM harharhar
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*** Even Weil himself had justifiable intention at the start; given that reploids (especially Mavericks, be they virus-infected or politically-charged) were responsible to many tragedies in history, he was not pleased when the solution to that was to give the reploids anti-virus program (Cyber-Elves) and call it even. His methods to enforce the notion that reploids are by default dangerous if not controller resulted in the cataclysmic Elf Wars, and the punishment he got for that drove him more and more unhinged.

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*** Even Weil himself had justifiable intention at the start; given that reploids (especially Mavericks, be they virus-infected or politically-charged) were responsible to many tragedies in history, he was not pleased when the solution to that was to give the reploids anti-virus program (Cyber-Elves) and call it even. His methods to enforce the notion that reploids are by default dangerous if not controller controlled resulted in the cataclysmic Elf Wars, and the punishment he got for that drove him more and more unhinged.
10th Feb '17 10:51:12 PM harharhar
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*** Even Weil himself had justifiable intention at the start; given that reploids (especially Mavericks, be they virus-infected or politically-charged) were responsible to many tragedies in history, he was not pleased when the solution to that was to give the reploids anti-virus program (Cyber-Elves) and call it even. His methods to enforce the notion that reploids are by default dangerous if not controller resulted in the cataclysmic Elf Wars, and the punishment he got for that drove him more and more unhinged.
8th Jan '17 6:18:51 PM nombretomado
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* ''Franchise/LegendsOfChima'': On one end you've got the Lions whom are the paragons of good and keep the other tribes in line by distributing Chi, and the Eagles and Gorillas whom are kindly scholars and spiritualists but are quick to ally with the Lions. On the other end you've got the Crocs whom are lead by a prince being manipulated by his sister, the Ravens who are master con men, and the Wolves who are savage and will seize power if deemed necessary. The other tribes fall somewhere in between.

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* ''Franchise/LegendsOfChima'': ''WesternAnimation/LegendsOfChima'': On one end you've got the Lions whom are the paragons of good and keep the other tribes in line by distributing Chi, and the Eagles and Gorillas whom are kindly scholars and spiritualists but are quick to ally with the Lions. On the other end you've got the Crocs whom are lead by a prince being manipulated by his sister, the Ravens who are master con men, and the Wolves who are savage and will seize power if deemed necessary. The other tribes fall somewhere in between.
26th Dec '16 7:16:02 PM Galacton
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* ''[[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire]]'' fits pretty neatly here. All the villains are sympathetic and well-intentioned, and realize the error of their ways in the end. One of the villains, Archie, is incredibly friendly even before his official HeelFaceTurn, friendlier than even some rivals.

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* ''[[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire]]'' fits pretty neatly here. All the villains are sympathetic and well-intentioned, and realize the error of their ways in the end. One of the villains, Archie, is [[AffablyEvil incredibly friendly friendly]] even before his official HeelFaceTurn, friendlier than even some rivals.
21st Nov '16 8:39:35 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''AMiracleOfScience'' has no real villains. The BigBad is a WellIntentionedExtremist who actively avoids civilian casualties and even the Venusian Mafia is mostly just selfish.

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* ''AMiracleOfScience'' ''Webcomic/AMiracleOfScience'' has no real villains. The BigBad is a WellIntentionedExtremist who actively avoids civilian casualties and even the Venusian Mafia is mostly just selfish.
5th Nov '16 8:50:46 PM thatmadork
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* ''VideoGame/TheWitcher3WildHunt'': The Skellige succession crisis. [[WarriorPrince Hjalmar]] and [[WomenAreWiser Cerys]] are both exceptional candidates for the throne of Skellige and the island kingdom prospers under the rule of either, but in the event that neither are helped by Geralt, [[MommasBoy Svanrige]] becomes king through the manipulations of his scheming mother... and he turns out to actually be a decent king himself who ends up uniting the islands, though through considerable force and ruthlessness.
2nd Nov '16 9:27:58 PM DustSnitch
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* ''Anime/DigimonTamers proves'' that, yes, you can have intense conflict without anyone who is properly "bad." Every BigBad is actually trying to prevent threats to their worlds, and you can see why they consider the other side to be bad news. Even the final BiggerBad is just [[spoiler: a program acting on its orders; see GoneHorriblyRight]].

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* ''Anime/DigimonTamers proves'' that, yes, you can have intense conflict without anyone who is properly "bad." Every BigBad is actually trying to prevent threats to their worlds, and you can see why they consider the other side to be bad news. Even the final BiggerBad GreaterScopeVillain is just [[spoiler: a program acting on its orders; see GoneHorriblyRight]].



* ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'' turns out to work this way. The RandomEncounters are just scared, and can all be placated non-lethally. Toriel just wants you to stay in the Ruins where you're safe, and tries her hardest to ''avoid'' killing you in her boss fight. Papyrus really does want to capture you to facilitate his long-delayed entry to the Royal Guard, but he's just too kind-hearted to follow through (which, incidentally, is why his entry to the Royal Guard ''is'' being delayed). Undyne refuses to accept your mercy, because she is either righteously angry over the monsters you've killed or simply determined to take your SOUL so the barrier can be destroyed, but even she can be made to relent. Mettaton genuinely does want to kill you, but only to ''prevent'' the barrier from being shattered, since step 2 in that plan has always been "destroy humanity", and if you overcome him, he decides you're strong enough to prevent it yourself. And Asgore, the creator of that plan, [[spoiler:did it in a fit of grief and ''very obviously'' doesn't want to go through with it now that his head is clearer]]. Even Flowey turns out to be a JerkassWoobie who is only an asshole [[spoiler:because he died long ago, CameBackWrong, and now literally has no SOUL. When he briefly regains one in the GoldenEnding, he shatters the barrier himself and apologizes for everything he did]]. The only unambiguously ''bad'' character is [[spoiler:The Fallen Child]], and even that's not completely certain, since it is implied in the GoldenEnding that they wanted to help the monsters of the Underground, but, through a FreudianExcuse, went about it in a less than merciful way, and it's only ''your'' action in a No Mercy route that drives them to become the BiggerBad and irrevocally evil.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'' turns out to work this way. The RandomEncounters are just scared, and can all be placated non-lethally. Toriel just wants you to stay in the Ruins where you're safe, and tries her hardest to ''avoid'' killing you in her boss fight. Papyrus really does want to capture you to facilitate his long-delayed entry to the Royal Guard, but he's just too kind-hearted to follow through (which, incidentally, is why his entry to the Royal Guard ''is'' being delayed). Undyne refuses to accept your mercy, because she is either righteously angry over the monsters you've killed or simply determined to take your SOUL so the barrier can be destroyed, but even she can be made to relent. Mettaton genuinely does want to kill you, but only to ''prevent'' the barrier from being shattered, since step 2 in that plan has always been "destroy humanity", and if you overcome him, he decides you're strong enough to prevent it yourself. And Asgore, the creator of that plan, [[spoiler:did it in a fit of grief and ''very obviously'' doesn't want to go through with it now that his head is clearer]]. Even Flowey turns out to be a JerkassWoobie who is only an asshole [[spoiler:because he died long ago, CameBackWrong, and now literally has no SOUL. When he briefly regains one in the GoldenEnding, he shatters the barrier himself and apologizes for everything he did]]. The only unambiguously ''bad'' character is [[spoiler:The Fallen Child]], and even that's not completely certain, since it is implied in the GoldenEnding that they wanted to help the monsters of the Underground, but, through a FreudianExcuse, went about it in a less than merciful way, and it's only ''your'' action in a No Mercy route that drives them to become the BiggerBad GreaterScopeVillain and irrevocally irredeemably evil.
14th Oct '16 1:34:55 PM Jake18
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* ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing'' seems to like this trope, too, at least for most of the main characters. Save for the few like Dekim Barton, most of the characters desire for justice and peace, despite that their ways of achieving it is questionable, as pointed out by Relena Peacecraft. Fortunately, EveryoneLives except Treize Kushranada, who willingly dies by his own choice, and the world achieves true peace as Relena sees it. This way, [[RousseauWasRight Gundam Wing]] is a total opposite to the [[CrapsackWorld Universal Century series]].

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* ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing'' seems to like this trope, too, at least for most of the main characters. Save for the few like Dekim Barton, most of the characters desire for justice and peace, despite that even if their ways of achieving it is are questionable, as pointed out by Relena Peacecraft. Fortunately, EveryoneLives except Treize Kushranada, who willingly dies by his own choice, and the world achieves true peace as Relena sees it. This way, [[RousseauWasRight Gundam Wing]] is a total opposite to the [[CrapsackWorld Universal Century series]].
13th Oct '16 10:35:44 AM zoop
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* Everyone in ''Webcomic/BrokenTelephone'' is doing what they believe will be best for the greater good. Even the hired assassin, who's there to kill a terrorist.
17th Sep '16 3:47:09 AM yisfidri
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* [{{Played with}} in the novel ''Literature/MiracleMonday'', where {{Superman}} faced TheDevil's agent on Earth. While the demon ''was'' truly evil (we get to read his thoughts to confirm it) Superman himself holds this belief, and it's ''because'' of it that he ultimately wins.

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* [{{Played {{Played with}} in the novel ''Literature/MiracleMonday'', where {{Superman}} faced TheDevil's agent on Earth. While the demon ''was'' truly evil (we get to read his thoughts to confirm it) Superman himself holds this belief, and it's ''because'' of it that he ultimately wins.
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