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23rd Apr '18 1:58:47 PM x_countryguy
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* ''Anime/TowaNoQuon'': Although the group out to capture awakened children [[spoiler: (dead or alive)]] is a ''very'' dark shade of gray, their ultimate goal is to protect the public. [[EvilPlan For now.]]

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* ''Anime/TowaNoQuon'': Although the group out to capture awakened children [[spoiler: (dead [[spoiler:(dead or alive)]] is a ''very'' dark shade of gray, their ultimate goal is to protect the public. [[EvilPlan For now.]]



* ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica''. The characters split fairly cleanly into Idealists (Madoka, Sayaka, Mami, [[spoiler: Nagisa]]) and Pragmatists ([[spoiler:Kyubey]], Kyouko, Homura, Walpurgisnacht and the witches). The latter group are the antagonists, but are often ''[[VillainHasAPoint right]]'' (and in fact, Homura turned out to be [[spoiler: [[DecoyProtagonist the real protagonist of the story]]]]).

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* ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica''. The characters split fairly cleanly into Idealists (Madoka, Sayaka, Mami, [[spoiler: Nagisa]]) [[spoiler:Nagisa]]) and Pragmatists ([[spoiler:Kyubey]], Kyouko, Homura, Walpurgisnacht and the witches). The latter group are the antagonists, but are often ''[[VillainHasAPoint right]]'' (and in fact, Homura turned out to be [[spoiler: [[DecoyProtagonist [[spoiler:[[DecoyProtagonist the real protagonist of the story]]]]).



* ''Anime/TheVisionOfEscaflowne'' qualifies. Even the BigBad is eventually revealed as a particularly ruthless WellIntentionedExtremist. The closest any character comes to "evil" is [[TheDragon Dilandau]], but [[spoiler: s/he turns out to be more BrainwashedAndCrazy than anything else.]]
* In ''Manga/FairyTail'', the majority of the major villains have reasonable and sympathetic motives. The first one is trying to release a monster [[spoiler: so he can defeat it, which is the thing his teacher died doing; he merely wants to prove himself by surpassing her.]] Another notable villain was a slavemaster who spent 8 years building a tower to revive the most dangerous dark wizard in history [[spoiler: because he was brainwashed into thinking it would bring about a Utopia]]. Both of these later pulled a HeelFaceTurn. Some later enemies, like the Oración Seis and Grimoire Heart guilds had guild masters and some members truly in the black morality pitch. However, most of the guild members were given sympathetic backstories and reasons for joining these guilds - like how Ultear's entire "evilness" is because of a misunderstanding in her childhood.

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* ''Anime/TheVisionOfEscaflowne'' qualifies. Even the BigBad is eventually revealed as a particularly ruthless WellIntentionedExtremist. The closest any character comes to "evil" is [[TheDragon Dilandau]], but [[spoiler: s/he [[spoiler:s/he turns out to be more BrainwashedAndCrazy than anything else.]]
* In ''Manga/FairyTail'', the majority of the major villains have reasonable and sympathetic motives. The first one is trying to release a monster [[spoiler: so [[spoiler:so he can defeat it, which is the thing his teacher died doing; he merely wants to prove himself by surpassing her.]] Another notable villain was a slavemaster who spent 8 years building a tower to revive the most dangerous dark wizard in history [[spoiler: because [[spoiler:because he was brainwashed into thinking it would bring about a Utopia]]. Both of these later pulled a HeelFaceTurn. Some later enemies, like the Oración Seis and Grimoire Heart guilds had guild masters and some members truly in the black morality pitch. However, most of the guild members were given sympathetic backstories and reasons for joining these guilds - like how Ultear's entire "evilness" is because of a misunderstanding in her childhood.



* ''Anime/DigimonTamers proves'' that, yes, you can have intense conflict without anyone who is properly "bad." Every BigBad is actually trying to prevent threats to their worlds, and you can see why they consider the other side to be bad news. Even the final GreaterScopeVillain is just [[spoiler: a program acting on its orders; see GoneHorriblyRight]].
** It goes even farther back, actually. In ''Anime/DigimonAdventure02'', almost all of the main antagonists (Ken, Oikawa, Blackwargreymon, even Arukenimon and Mummymon) are revealed to possess sympathetic traits or motives. [[spoiler: Most, in fact, turn out to be pawns of the true BigBad, Myotismon.]]

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* ''Anime/DigimonTamers proves'' that, yes, you can have intense conflict without anyone who is properly "bad." Every BigBad is actually trying to prevent threats to their worlds, and you can see why they consider the other side to be bad news. Even the final GreaterScopeVillain is just [[spoiler: a [[spoiler:a program acting on its orders; see GoneHorriblyRight]].
** It goes even farther back, actually. In ''Anime/DigimonAdventure02'', almost all of the main antagonists (Ken, Oikawa, Blackwargreymon, even Arukenimon and Mummymon) are revealed to possess sympathetic traits or motives. [[spoiler: Most, [[spoiler:Most, in fact, turn out to be pawns of the true BigBad, Myotismon.]]



* Part 7 of Manga/JojosBizarreAdventure is founded on this. While people like Gyro and Lucy are good people (Johnny eventually comes around as well, though he's much grayer than most heroes), none of the main villains are really ''evil'', per se. Diego wants to win because it's his job, and to fulfill his dream of being wealthy to avenge his mother. Funny Valentine, on the other hand [[spoiler: wants the parts because he feels that they are too dangerous for anyone else, and he wants to use them to further the gain of his country and make his citizens lives better.]] When the main villain is a guy that ''Jesus Christ '''himself''' '' approves of, you know this trope is in full effect.
* ''Anime/LittleWitchAcademia'' goes this way as well. Virtually no character is truly evil or even a complete Jerkass. Doesn't make it any less fun. [[spoiler: Even Croix, the BigBad, winds up undergoing a HeelFaceTurn by the end.]]

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* Part 7 of Manga/JojosBizarreAdventure is founded on this. While people like Gyro and Lucy are good people (Johnny eventually comes around as well, though he's much grayer than most heroes), none of the main villains are really ''evil'', per se. Diego wants to win because it's his job, and to fulfill his dream of being wealthy to avenge his mother. Funny Valentine, on the other hand [[spoiler: wants [[spoiler:wants the parts because he feels that they are too dangerous for anyone else, and he wants to use them to further the gain of his country and make his citizens lives better.]] When the main villain is a guy that ''Jesus Christ '''himself''' '' approves of, you know this trope is in full effect.
* ''Anime/LittleWitchAcademia'' goes this way as well. Virtually no character is truly evil or even a complete Jerkass. Doesn't make it any less fun. [[spoiler: Even [[spoiler:Even Croix, the BigBad, winds up undergoing a HeelFaceTurn by the end.]]



* ''Film/TheRock'' starts like this. On one side we have marines and FBI chemist who try to save the hostages and prevent a terrorist form killing thousands. Opposing them is NobleDemon WellIntentionedExtremist who wants his men to be honored as they deserve and their families supported and tries to avoid casualties as much as possible. [[spoiler: Later turns into TheGoodTheBadAndTheEvil situation when Hummel's group gets divided and some of them want to launch the missiles for real, when Hummel was just bluffing.]]

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* ''Film/TheRock'' starts like this. On one side we have marines and FBI chemist who try to save the hostages and prevent a terrorist form killing thousands. Opposing them is NobleDemon WellIntentionedExtremist who wants his men to be honored as they deserve and their families supported and tries to avoid casualties as much as possible. [[spoiler: Later [[spoiler:Later turns into TheGoodTheBadAndTheEvil situation when Hummel's group gets divided and some of them want to launch the missiles for real, when Hummel was just bluffing.]]



* James White's ''Literature/SectorGeneral'' space hospital series, a deliberate attempt to write ScienceFiction with both tension and a murder deficit. Any aliens who may be trying to kill you have just been misinformed. Subverted with the [[spoiler: Etlan Empire]], who appear to be kind, compassionate people but are in fact deliberately spreading plagues among their own people to raise money for a fraudulent charity appeal. Even then, the ordinary people clearly ''are'' as nice as they seem to be (even if they [[FantasticRacism don't trust aliens]]), and it is only the government who are corrupt - and the story of how what had started out as a genuine charity appeal degenerated first into inefficiency, then misappropriation of funds, and then outright persecution, is all too believable. Considering how many bizarre and alarming-looking alien species have turned out to be just misunderstood, it is [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters striking]] that White made his first real villains [[spoiler: HumanAliens]].

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* James White's ''Literature/SectorGeneral'' space hospital series, a deliberate attempt to write ScienceFiction with both tension and a murder deficit. Any aliens who may be trying to kill you have just been misinformed. Subverted with the [[spoiler: Etlan [[spoiler:Etlan Empire]], who appear to be kind, compassionate people but are in fact deliberately spreading plagues among their own people to raise money for a fraudulent charity appeal. Even then, the ordinary people clearly ''are'' as nice as they seem to be (even if they [[FantasticRacism don't trust aliens]]), and it is only the government who are corrupt - and the story of how what had started out as a genuine charity appeal degenerated first into inefficiency, then misappropriation of funds, and then outright persecution, is all too believable. Considering how many bizarre and alarming-looking alien species have turned out to be just misunderstood, it is [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters striking]] that White made his first real villains [[spoiler: HumanAliens]].[[spoiler:HumanAliens]].



* Every character in Creator/BrandonSanderson's works is revealed to have "good" (or at least sympathetic) motivations for their actions, though he does include a handful of genuine villains for contrast. Perhaps the most spectacular example is the [[EvilOverlord Lord Ruler]] of ''Literature/{{Mistborn}}'', who in life is portrayed as pure evil [[spoiler: but is gradually revealed after death to be a very human figure who basically had unlimited power dropped in his lap and did the best he could with it while it slowly [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity drove him mad]].]] One of the major themes running throughout all of Sanderson's novels is that "evil" is usually a ''lot'' more complicated than people realize.

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* Every character in Creator/BrandonSanderson's works is revealed to have "good" (or at least sympathetic) motivations for their actions, though he does include a handful of genuine villains for contrast. Perhaps the most spectacular example is the [[EvilOverlord Lord Ruler]] of ''Literature/{{Mistborn}}'', who in life is portrayed as pure evil [[spoiler: but [[spoiler:but is gradually revealed after death to be a very human figure who basically had unlimited power dropped in his lap and did the best he could with it while it slowly [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity drove him mad]].]] One of the major themes running throughout all of Sanderson's novels is that "evil" is usually a ''lot'' more complicated than people realize.



** For a discrete moment of RousseauWasRight, see the end of "Evidence of Things Not Seen": [[spoiler: [[ItMakesSenseInContext the egg stands]] [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming on its end.]]]]

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** For a discrete moment of RousseauWasRight, see the end of "Evidence of Things Not Seen": [[spoiler: [[ItMakesSenseInContext [[spoiler:[[ItMakesSenseInContext the egg stands]] [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming on its end.]]]]



* In ''VideoGame/DungeonSiegeIII'', just about every major villain [[spoiler: up to and including the BigBad]] is a [[WellIntentionedExtremist well-intentioned extremist]] or has a FreudianExcuse.

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* In ''VideoGame/DungeonSiegeIII'', just about every major villain [[spoiler: up [[spoiler:up to and including the BigBad]] is a [[WellIntentionedExtremist well-intentioned extremist]] or has a FreudianExcuse.



* Despite having a dark entity known as Sulphur, ''VideoGame/PhantomBrave'' certainly fit into this. Most characters, at worst, act like {{Jerkass}}es who [[UngratefulBastard cheat off]] [[NiceGirl Marona]] [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer and treat her as trash]]. Some of who have selfish motivations does have a particular reason of being so. For example, Walnut, a KillSteal bounty hunter, have a mindset of caring about money [[spoiler: because he is trying to fund medicine for his [[IllGirl sick little sister]]]]. And some who fell into the path of darkness is mostly due to [[TragicHero tragic circumstances]], such as [[DarkIsNotEvil Sprout]], who lost his family to Sulphur. Regardless, everyone is EasilyForgiven by Marona and those who were treating her like trash [[spoiler: came to realize she's the only hope of defeating Sulphur and realize her [[AllLovingHero kindhearted nature]], [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming started treating her an actual human being, and rally to aid her]]]]. In the end, Marona's "treat everyone with kindness" favors her.

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* Despite having a dark entity known as Sulphur, ''VideoGame/PhantomBrave'' certainly fit into this. Most characters, at worst, act like {{Jerkass}}es who [[UngratefulBastard cheat off]] [[NiceGirl Marona]] [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer and treat her as trash]]. Some of who have selfish motivations does have a particular reason of being so. For example, Walnut, a KillSteal bounty hunter, have a mindset of caring about money [[spoiler: because [[spoiler:because he is trying to fund medicine for his [[IllGirl sick little sister]]]]. And some who fell into the path of darkness is mostly due to [[TragicHero tragic circumstances]], such as [[DarkIsNotEvil Sprout]], who lost his family to Sulphur. Regardless, everyone is EasilyForgiven by Marona and those who were treating her like trash [[spoiler: came [[spoiler:came to realize she's the only hope of defeating Sulphur and realize her [[AllLovingHero kindhearted nature]], [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming started treating her an actual human being, and rally to aid her]]]]. In the end, Marona's "treat everyone with kindness" favors her.
7th Apr '18 9:18:05 PM Arha
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* In ''LightNovel/DestructionFlagOtome'' there are no genuinely bad people, at least among characters who actually appear. The closest thing to a 'villain' is a teenager who wants revenge on people who killed his mother, [[spoiler:but only because a ghost is telling him to do it. The ghost itself wasn't a particularly bad guy either, just some dude who was trying to save his family but was killed for knowing too much.]]
27th Mar '18 1:47:12 PM BatmanKalEl
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* ''WesternAnimation/ParaNorman'' is this as well with the villains only being a scared little girl and a judge who was scared and did what he did cause he thought it had to be done for the greater good.



* ParaNorman is this as well with the villains only being a scared little girl and a judge who was scared and did what he did cause he thought it had to be done for the greater good.
2nd Mar '18 5:42:18 PM Gamermaster
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* ''Anime/LittleWitchAcademia goes this way as well. Virtually no character is truly evil or even a complete Jerkass. Doesn't make it any less fun. [[spoiler: Even Croix, the BigBad, winds up undergoing a HeelFaceTurn by the end.]]

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* ''Anime/LittleWitchAcademia ''Anime/LittleWitchAcademia'' goes this way as well. Virtually no character is truly evil or even a complete Jerkass. Doesn't make it any less fun. [[spoiler: Even Croix, the BigBad, winds up undergoing a HeelFaceTurn by the end.]]
2nd Mar '18 2:44:00 PM RedScharlach
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* In Season 9 of ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'', Drusilia returns, sane, and seeming to have pulled a genuine HeelFaceTurn. So just what is she up to these days? She encountered a demon that feeds on trauma (the reason she is so well,) trained it to work only in that regard, and sets up a shelter for those who have been traumatized, willing to have the demon feed on them so the pain they feel goes away if they ask for it. Angel sees the whole thing as a abomination and MindRape, believing people must suffer for what's happened to them and that if they did not feel bad about (in his case, Angelus) there's no reason not to make amends. Faith, on the other hand, doesn't seem to have a problem with it since the people are going willingly. After Angel kills the demon Drusilia is back to being the vicious Slayer killing psychotic.

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* In Season 9 of ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'', Drusilia Drusilla returns, sane, and seeming to have pulled a genuine HeelFaceTurn. So just what is she up to these days? She encountered a demon that feeds on trauma (the reason she is so well,) well), trained it to work only in that regard, and sets up a shelter for those who have been traumatized, willing to have the demon feed on them so the pain they feel goes away if they ask for it. Angel sees the whole thing as a an abomination and MindRape, believing people must suffer for what's happened to them and that if they did not feel bad about (in his case, Angelus) there's no reason not to make amends. Faith, on the other hand, doesn't seem to have a problem with it since the people are going willingly. After Angel kills the demon Drusilia is demon, Drusilla goes back to being the a vicious Slayer killing Slayer-killing psychotic.



** ''WesternAnimation/{{Brave}}'' might fit for the "[[BearsAreBadNews vicious animals]] are TrueNeutral" rule. Even if it's one hell of a AnimalNemesis. [[spoiler:Which used to be human.]]

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** ''WesternAnimation/{{Brave}}'' might fit for the "[[BearsAreBadNews vicious animals]] are TrueNeutral" rule. Even if it's one hell of a an AnimalNemesis. [[spoiler:Which used to be human.]]



* ''Film/ForbiddenPlanet''. Morbius: it implies that even the worst people have good intentions
* ''Film/ETTheExtraTerrestrial'': E.T., the kids, and later, Keys are in the white, and want to help the alien "phone home". Almost every authority figure other than Keys is in the gray because [[spoiler:they do not want to harm E.T. in any form, but they aren't above bringing out their guns when he and the kids escape]].

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* ''Film/ForbiddenPlanet''. Morbius: it implies that even the worst people have good intentions
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* ''Film/ETTheExtraTerrestrial'': E.T., the kids, and later, Keys are in the white, and want to help the alien "phone home". Almost every authority figure other than Keys is in the gray because [[spoiler:they do not want to harm E.T. in any form, way, but they aren't above bringing out their guns when he and the kids escape]].



* ''Film/{{Avatar}}''. The Na'Vi are just minding their own business, and the humans just want the planet's resources to ensure their own survival - but unfortunately the diplomacy ísn't working. ([[GeneralRipper Quaritch]] [[ArmiesAreEvil and his troops]] are not considered among the Gray, though)

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* ''Film/{{Avatar}}''. The Na'Vi are just minding their own business, and the humans just want the planet's resources to ensure their own survival - but unfortunately the diplomacy ísn't isn't working. ([[GeneralRipper Quaritch]] [[ArmiesAreEvil and his troops]] are not considered among the Gray, though)



* ''Film/FallingDown'': The movie has an increasingly violent man angry at the world, vs. a cop with his own issues and who can deal with them maturely. There are [[BlackAndGreyMorality some real villains]] in the latino gangbangers and the Neo-Nazi store owner, but they're secondary characters and aren't part of the film's main conflict between Foster and Prendergast.

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* ''Film/FallingDown'': The movie has an increasingly violent man angry at the world, vs. a cop with his own issues and who can deal with them maturely. There are [[BlackAndGreyMorality some real villains]] in the latino Latino gangbangers and the Neo-Nazi store owner, but they're secondary characters and aren't part of the film's main conflict between Foster and Prendergast.



* ''Film/TheRock'' starts like this. On one side we have marines and FBI chemist who try to save the hostages and prevent a terrorist form killing thousands. Opposing them is NobleDemon WellIntentionedExtremist who wants his men to be honored as they deserve and their families supported and tries to avoid casualties as much as possible. [[spoiler: Later turns into TheGoodTheBadAndTheEvil situation when Hummel's group gets divided and some of them want to launch the missles for real, when Hummel was just bluffing.]]

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* ''Film/TheRock'' starts like this. On one side we have marines and FBI chemist who try to save the hostages and prevent a terrorist form killing thousands. Opposing them is NobleDemon WellIntentionedExtremist who wants his men to be honored as they deserve and their families supported and tries to avoid casualties as much as possible. [[spoiler: Later turns into TheGoodTheBadAndTheEvil situation when Hummel's group gets divided and some of them want to launch the missles missiles for real, when Hummel was just bluffing.]]



* Every character in Creator/BrandonSanderson's works is revealed to have "good" (or at least sympathetic) motivations for their actions, though he does include a handful of geniune villains for contrast. Perhaps the most spectacular example is the [[EvilOverlord Lord Ruler]] of ''Literature/{{Mistborn}}'', who in life is portrayed as pure evil [[spoiler: but is gradually revealed after death to be a very human figure who basically had unlimited power dropped in his lap and did the best he could with it while it slowly [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity drove him mad]].]] One of the major themes running throughout all of Sanderson's novels is that "evil" is usually a ''lot'' more complicated than people realize.

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* Every character in Creator/BrandonSanderson's works is revealed to have "good" (or at least sympathetic) motivations for their actions, though he does include a handful of geniune genuine villains for contrast. Perhaps the most spectacular example is the [[EvilOverlord Lord Ruler]] of ''Literature/{{Mistborn}}'', who in life is portrayed as pure evil [[spoiler: but is gradually revealed after death to be a very human figure who basically had unlimited power dropped in his lap and did the best he could with it while it slowly [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity drove him mad]].]] One of the major themes running throughout all of Sanderson's novels is that "evil" is usually a ''lot'' more complicated than people realize.



* ''Series/TheVampireDiaries'' veers between this and GreyAndGreyMorality. Countless times, characters are introduced and seem just so mean but often turn out to have genuine motives behind their actions.

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* ''Series/TheVampireDiaries'' veers between this and GreyAndGreyMorality. Countless times, characters are introduced and seem just so to be mean but often turn out to have genuine motives behind their actions.



* ''Series/OnceUponATime'' starts out as BlackAndWhiteMorality, but as it has continued its run it has drifted ever closer to White and Grey Morality, giving even most of its most monstrous characters sympathetic backstories that give them {{Freudian Excuse}}s or sympathetic motivations, and giving CharacterDevelopment to at least one of them that results in her becoming vastly more sympathetic. Now we have many villains who are tragic and heroes that are flawed.
* ''Series/EngineSentaiGoOnger'' has the Gaiark, who, while they are the antagonists and at first may resemble your typical evil empire or something of the sort, are actually intent on polluting the earth to give someplace for their world's inhabitants to live, away from the dictator Yogoshimacritein. In the end, the two remaining ministers [[spoiler: sacrifice themselves to save the other Go-Ongers and stop Yogoshimacritein]]. So while it was a horrible way of doing things, they had their mechanical hearts in the right place.
* ''Series/{{Scrubs}}'': The conflict between Dr Cox and Dr Kelso was initially depicted as straight good versus evil, but as Kelso became a more sympathetic character it evolved into a battle between Dr Cox's compassion for the individual patients, and Kelso's cold but pragmatic [[TheNeedsOfTheMany "greater good"]] approach, e.g. giving a spot on an experimental treatment to rich man rather than a poor one in order to get funding for prenatal care for low income women.

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* ''Series/OnceUponATime'' starts out as BlackAndWhiteMorality, but as it has continued its run run, it has drifted ever closer to White and Grey Morality, giving even most of its most monstrous characters sympathetic backstories that give them {{Freudian Excuse}}s or sympathetic motivations, and giving CharacterDevelopment to at least one of them that results in her becoming vastly more sympathetic. Now we have many villains who are tragic and heroes that are flawed.
* ''Series/EngineSentaiGoOnger'' has the Gaiark, who, while they are the antagonists and at first may resemble your typical evil empire or something of the sort, are actually intent on polluting the earth to give someplace create a place for their world's inhabitants to live, away from the dictator Yogoshimacritein. In the end, the two remaining ministers [[spoiler: sacrifice [[spoiler:sacrifice themselves to save the other Go-Ongers and stop Yogoshimacritein]]. So while it was a horrible way of doing things, they had their mechanical hearts in the right place.
* ''Series/{{Scrubs}}'': The conflict between Dr Cox and Dr Kelso was initially depicted as straight good versus evil, but as Kelso became a more sympathetic character it evolved into a battle between Dr Cox's compassion for the individual patients, and Kelso's cold but pragmatic [[TheNeedsOfTheMany "greater good"]] approach, e.g. giving a spot on an experimental treatment to a rich man rather than a poor one in order to get funding for prenatal care for low income low-income women.



* Until recent editions, this was the case between the [[GoodIsOldFashioned naive, but swiftly learning Tau Emptire]] and the [[ShootTheDog jaded, hardened Imperium of Man]] from ''[[{{Tabletopgame/Warhammer40000}} Warhammer 40,000]]''. However, the optimistic and idealistic the alien Tau were found by, at least by some members of the fanbase, to be too [[WhiteAndGreyMorality idealistic and utopian]] to fit [[CrapsackWorld into the setting]][[note]]This might be an opinion about 5 or 10 years in the making[[/note]]. The Tau have since been "[[GreyAndGreyMorality greywashed]]", and while they are they do fit the setting's equivalent of the TheFederation, some recent fluff has stated that they may use concentration camps and "re-education" policies on worlds where the Imperium's xenophobic policies are too ingrained. The relationship between the Tau and the Imperium are further complicated by practices of {{Realpolitik}} and outright alliance by certain planets, though the official position is that the Tau must be exterminated someday.

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* Until recent editions, this was the case between the [[GoodIsOldFashioned naive, but swiftly learning Tau Emptire]] and the [[ShootTheDog jaded, hardened Imperium of Man]] from ''[[{{Tabletopgame/Warhammer40000}} Warhammer 40,000]]''. However, the optimistic and idealistic the alien Tau were found by, at least by some members of the fanbase, to be too [[WhiteAndGreyMorality idealistic and utopian]] to fit [[CrapsackWorld into the setting]][[note]]This might be an opinion about 5 or 10 years in the making[[/note]]. The Tau have since been "[[GreyAndGreyMorality greywashed]]", and while they are they do fit the setting's equivalent of the TheFederation, some recent fluff has stated that they may use concentration camps and "re-education" policies on worlds where the Imperium's xenophobic policies are too ingrained. The relationship between the Tau and the Imperium are further complicated by practices of {{Realpolitik}} and outright alliance by certain planets, though the official position is that the Tau must be exterminated someday.



* Franchise/SylvanianFamilies is generally this trope. Everybody is nice, except the two fox families; the Slydales and the Renards, who like playing pranks on people. If there's any antagonist more extreme than playing with matches or spraining your ankle, it's probably them playing a harmless trick on somebody.

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* Franchise/SylvanianFamilies is generally this trope. Everybody is nice, except the two fox families; the Slydales and the Renards, who like playing pranks on people. If there's any antagonist who does anything more extreme than playing with matches or spraining your ankle, it's probably them playing a harmless trick on somebody.



* ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb'': On the "white" side, Phineas and Ferb are short on flaws, as are many of their friends. On the "gray" side, While Candace is often the antagonist, she's neither evil nor truly spiteful - only impulsive and a bit high-strung, and has shown in ocassion that she genuinely cares for her brothers. Buford is a card-carrying bully, but is a JerkWithAHeartOfGold who is clearly friends with his "victims". Even the BigBad Doofenshmirtz is quite AffablyEvil, [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes loves his daughter dearly]], and is an absurdly FriendlyEnemy to Perry. His attempts to take over the ENTIRE! TRI-STATE! AREA! come across as more pretending to be evil to get attention than the evil acts of a power-mad lunatic. Suzy Johnson appeared to be a straight {{Jerkass}} in her first appearance, but later episodes revealed that she's a sweet girl whenever Jeremy's not around. The only really unpleasant recurring characters are Doofenshmitz's parents in his tales of his HilariouslyAbusiveChildhood.

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* ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb'': On the "white" side, Phineas and Ferb are short on flaws, as are many of their friends. On the "gray" side, While Candace is often the antagonist, she's neither evil nor truly spiteful - only impulsive and a bit high-strung, and has shown in ocassion on occasion that she genuinely cares for her brothers. Buford is a card-carrying bully, but is a JerkWithAHeartOfGold who is clearly friends with his "victims". Even the BigBad Doofenshmirtz is quite AffablyEvil, [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes loves his daughter dearly]], and is an absurdly FriendlyEnemy to Perry. His attempts to take over the ENTIRE! TRI-STATE! AREA! come across as more pretending to be evil to get attention than the evil acts of a power-mad lunatic. Suzy Johnson appeared to be a straight {{Jerkass}} in her first appearance, but later episodes revealed that she's a sweet girl whenever Jeremy's not around. The only really unpleasant recurring characters are Doofenshmitz's parents in his tales of his HilariouslyAbusiveChildhood.
11th Feb '18 1:10:31 AM Manw0name
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* ''Anime/LittleWitchAcademia goes this way as well. Virtually no character is truly evil or even a complete Jerkass. Doesn't make it any less fun. [[spoiler: Even the BigBad winds up undergoing a HeelFaceTurn by the end.]]

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* ''Anime/LittleWitchAcademia goes this way as well. Virtually no character is truly evil or even a complete Jerkass. Doesn't make it any less fun. [[spoiler: Even Croix, the BigBad BigBad, winds up undergoing a HeelFaceTurn by the end.]]
11th Feb '18 1:08:31 AM Manw0name
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** It goes even farther back actually. In ''Anime/DigimonAdventure02'', almost all of the main antagonists (Ken, Oikawa, Blackwargreymon, even Arukenimon and Mummymon) are revealed to possess sympathetic traits or motives.

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** It goes even farther back back, actually. In ''Anime/DigimonAdventure02'', almost all of the main antagonists (Ken, Oikawa, Blackwargreymon, even Arukenimon and Mummymon) are revealed to possess sympathetic traits or motives. [[spoiler: Most, in fact, turn out to be pawns of the true BigBad, Myotismon.]]


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* ''Anime/LittleWitchAcademia goes this way as well. Virtually no character is truly evil or even a complete Jerkass. Doesn't make it any less fun. [[spoiler: Even the BigBad winds up undergoing a HeelFaceTurn by the end.]]
11th Feb '18 12:55:17 AM Manw0name
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** It goes even farther back actually. In ''Anime/DigimonAdventure02'', almost all of the main antagonists (Ken, Oikawa, Blackwargreymon, even Arukenimon and Mummymon) are revealed to possess sympathetic traits or motives.
8th Feb '18 6:40:12 AM bitemytail
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* VideoGame/{{Kirby}}:
** Dedede is more of a hero than anything. King Dedede is shown repeatedly to be an antagonist, but he is more of an anti-villian. However, in most of the games he is fought against, Dedede is controlled by a much more evil force (Example: Yin-Yarn, Taranza and three times by Dark Matter) or it is a misunderstanding (like in Kirby Squeak Squad or Kirby: Nightmare in Dreamland)
3rd Feb '18 7:20:28 PM SeeingDeadPenguins
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** Dedede is more of a hero than anything. King Dedede is shown repeatedly to be an antagonist, but he is more of an anti-villian. However, in most of the games he is fought against, Dedede is controlled by a much more evil force (Example: Yin-Yarn, Taranza and three times by Nightmare) or it is a misunderstanding (like in Kirby Squeak Squad or Kirby: Nightmare in Dreamland)

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** Dedede is more of a hero than anything. King Dedede is shown repeatedly to be an antagonist, but he is more of an anti-villian. However, in most of the games he is fought against, Dedede is controlled by a much more evil force (Example: Yin-Yarn, Taranza and three times by Nightmare) Dark Matter) or it is a misunderstanding (like in Kirby Squeak Squad or Kirby: Nightmare in Dreamland)
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